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  • Redguy12
    Redguy12 Posts: 33
    edited July 26
    Sword65pf said:
    Callumcafc said:
    Alright here’s a list of foreign / exotic / based abroad defensive minded central midfielders that I’d like to see us target

    - Jordan Holsgrove
    - Juho Kilo
    - Anzor Mekvabishvili
    - Matias Siltanen
    - Timi Elsnik
    - Frank Adjei
    - Markus Karlsson
    - Adrion Pajaziti
    - Santiago Castañeda
    - Seo Jae-Min
    - Panagiotis Andreou

    You can probably pick holes in each of them for one reason or another. Not gone too deep with the research but thought it would be fun to throw half a dozen names out.


    Is it defensive minded we need in particular?, we can’t create and score🤷🏻‍♂️
    I would call it more of a connector. They have got to be able to do the defensive side of the game. They have to be comfortable take the ball of the cent halfs and progressing through the units to forward players.I personally see Doc and Coventry be rotated in no 6s position and two new no 8s coming in. A destroyer and Connector in double pivot.
  • Sword65pf
    Sword65pf Posts: 2,274
    Scoham said:
    Sword65pf said:
    Callumcafc said:
    Alright here’s a list of foreign / exotic / based abroad defensive minded central midfielders that I’d like to see us target

    - Jordan Holsgrove
    - Juho Kilo
    - Anzor Mekvabishvili
    - Matias Siltanen
    - Timi Elsnik
    - Frank Adjei
    - Markus Karlsson
    - Adrion Pajaziti
    - Santiago Castañeda
    - Seo Jae-Min
    - Panagiotis Andreou

    You can probably pick holes in each of them for one reason or another. Not gone too deep with the research but thought it would be fun to throw half a dozen names out.


    Is it defensive minded we need in particular?, we can’t create and score🤷🏻‍♂️
    I think we need an upgrade on Coventry, someone more well rounded - strong defensively but a better and more creative passer, and an upgrade on Docherty who offers the same engine and defensive work, but again a better passer and a more technical and/or physical player.
    Yes we do, I like Coventry but find him frustrating now because he just isn’t kicking on in the aspects he needs to, looking forward and the odd shot, he seems to be in the correct position of the pitch but not capable of the above when there, Doc we know what we get from him, but needs someone you describe next to him.
  • scabbyhorse
    scabbyhorse Posts: 2,573
    RonnieMoore said:
    Athletico Charlton said:
    YannTheMann said:
    Hoping we start seeing the likes of TC, Kayne and Lloyd extend soon. Sure we would have liked to have that all tied up by now 

    Reckon now we have Alli that TC is sold quite soon. Grant/Alli for left side and some money for a CM.  Hope I am wrong. 
    Campbell only hope is if someone like Leicester in league one comes in for him ..got to show much much more this season to get a move to a decent championship side .. Yesterday was a typical Campbell performance again did not look overly interested , did not track back and done 2/3 very good runs with no end product ..Its down to Campbell now which why his career goes ..
    Well, from where I was sitting, he was probably one of our better players. He was our only real outlet, just as he was last season. He desperately needs more support, and I think he'd have had a much better campaign if Edwards had stayed fit.
    Speaking of needing help... are you alright? Everything OK?
  • Callumcafc
    Callumcafc Posts: 66,957
    Sword65pf said:
    Callumcafc said:
    Alright here’s a list of foreign / exotic / based abroad defensive minded central midfielders that I’d like to see us target

    - Jordan Holsgrove
    - Juho Kilo
    - Anzor Mekvabishvili
    - Matias Siltanen
    - Timi Elsnik
    - Frank Adjei
    - Markus Karlsson
    - Adrion Pajaziti
    - Santiago Castañeda
    - Seo Jae-Min
    - Panagiotis Andreou

    You can probably pick holes in each of them for one reason or another. Not gone too deep with the research but thought it would be fun to throw half a dozen names out.


    Is it defensive minded we need in particular?, we can’t create and score🤷🏻‍♂️
    I picked them out because they have good numbers for the usual things you’d expect a defensive player to do but also look to get on the ball and play forward when they do get it.
  • TheHerminator
    TheHerminator Posts: 1,320
    scabbyhorse said:
    RonnieMoore said:
    Athletico Charlton said:
    YannTheMann said:
    Hoping we start seeing the likes of TC, Kayne and Lloyd extend soon. Sure we would have liked to have that all tied up by now 

    Reckon now we have Alli that TC is sold quite soon. Grant/Alli for left side and some money for a CM.  Hope I am wrong. 
    Campbell only hope is if someone like Leicester in league one comes in for him ..got to show much much more this season to get a move to a decent championship side .. Yesterday was a typical Campbell performance again did not look overly interested , did not track back and done 2/3 very good runs with no end product ..Its down to Campbell now which why his career goes ..
    Well, from where I was sitting, he was probably one of our better players. He was our only real outlet, just as he was last season. He desperately needs more support, and I think he'd have had a much better campaign if Edwards had stayed fit.
    Speaking of needing help... are you alright? Everything OK?
    Same from where I was sitting. Thought he was our only real bright spark yesterday and terrorised their right back in patches 
  • DDOUBLEE
    DDOUBLEE Posts: 2,303
    Lewis Coaches said:
    Danny Addick sai
    Lewis Coaches said:
    AberystwythAddick said:
    Need some big movement out now if we want to clear space for top quality midfielders. 
    Kanu
    Tanto 
    Assimwe 
    Doc 
    Ramsay (if the fee is right) 
    get some money in and reinvest on a high quality of player 
    Top quality midfielders. 
    Sorry but that is not going to happen.

    Average players maybe .

    The days of decent and top quality players at Charlton disappeared Many years ago.
    Wtf
    Walsh, 96
    Bowyer 96 
    Jones k 00
    Kinsella 02
    Shelvey10

    all top quality midfielders.

    Get players in like that we as a club would be on the up.


    So in your opinion, we've not had a top quality midfielder since Jonjo Shelvey? Okay, that tells me all I need to know.
  • Sword65pf
    Sword65pf Posts: 2,274
    edited July 26
    Callumcafc said:
    Sword65pf said:
    Callumcafc said:
    Alright here’s a list of foreign / exotic / based abroad defensive minded central midfielders that I’d like to see us target

    - Jordan Holsgrove
    - Juho Kilo
    - Anzor Mekvabishvili
    - Matias Siltanen
    - Timi Elsnik
    - Frank Adjei
    - Markus Karlsson
    - Adrion Pajaziti
    - Santiago Castañeda
    - Seo Jae-Min
    - Panagiotis Andreou

    You can probably pick holes in each of them for one reason or another. Not gone too deep with the research but thought it would be fun to throw half a dozen names out.


    Is it defensive minded we need in particular?, we can’t create and score🤷🏻‍♂️
    I picked them out because they have good numbers for the usual things you’d expect a defensive player to do but also look to get on the ball and play forward when they do get it.
    Ok, wasn’t a criticism of what you have come up with👍
  • NabySarr
    NabySarr Posts: 6,206
    Would love 2 new midfielders but the holding midfielder is the one we really need. We already have an 8 that is better in possession than Docherty, Costello. 

    In games where we have less off the ball (nearly every game) then Docherty is fine, he was one of our best players last season. I’d have had him 4th for POTY behind Jones, Bell and Carey. If there are games or scenarios where we need a better player on the ball in there then we already have Costello. Ideally we upgrade here too and then Costello slips down the pecking order as a versatile backup option 

    Coventry is where we really need to upgrade. That position is the one that gets on the ball the most (other than CB) and is who we rely on to progress the ball. I think some real quality there could transform our team
  • Sword65pf
    Sword65pf Posts: 2,274
    NabySarr said:
    Would love 2 new midfielders but the holding midfielder is the one we really need. We already have an 8 that is better in possession than Docherty, Costello. 

    In games where we have less off the ball (nearly every game) then Docherty is fine, he was one of our best players last season. I’d have had him 4th for POTY behind Jones, Bell and Carey. If there are games or scenarios where we need a better player on the ball in there then we already have Costello. Ideally we upgrade here too and then Costello slips down the pecking order as a versatile backup option 

    Coventry is where we really need to upgrade. That position is the one that gets on the ball the most (other than CB) and is who we rely on to progress the ball. I think some real quality there could transform our team
    Not as convinced by JRC as you are Naby.

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  • golfaddick
    golfaddick Posts: 36,394
    Kinsella87 said:
    2019 promotion midfield - Cullen, Aribo, Bielik was a quality midfield, would love that now 
    And how much did Culen & Bielik eventually get sold for  ?  Of course they were quality players.

    Imo

    Last quality midfielders that were contracted to us were

    Andy Reid
    Ricky Holmes

  • DamoNorthStand
    DamoNorthStand Posts: 13,023
    NabySarr said:
    Would love 2 new midfielders but the holding midfielder is the one we really need. We already have an 8 that is better in possession than Docherty, Costello. 

    In games where we have less off the ball (nearly every game) then Docherty is fine, he was one of our best players last season. I’d have had him 4th for POTY behind Jones, Bell and Carey. If there are games or scenarios where we need a better player on the ball in there then we already have Costello. Ideally we upgrade here too and then Costello slips down the pecking order as a versatile backup option 

    Coventry is where we really need to upgrade. That position is the one that gets on the ball the most (other than CB) and is who we rely on to progress the ball. I think some real quality there could transform our team

    Unfortunately he’s so slow that by the time he has run out to his position on the pitch the ref has blown for half time
  • DOUCHER
    DOUCHER Posts: 8,908
    DDOUBLEE said:
    Lewis Coaches said:
    Danny Addick sai
    Lewis Coaches said:
    AberystwythAddick said:
    Need some big movement out now if we want to clear space for top quality midfielders. 
    Kanu
    Tanto 
    Assimwe 
    Doc 
    Ramsay (if the fee is right) 
    get some money in and reinvest on a high quality of player 
    Top quality midfielders. 
    Sorry but that is not going to happen.

    Average players maybe .

    The days of decent and top quality players at Charlton disappeared Many years ago.
    Wtf
    Walsh, 96
    Bowyer 96 
    Jones k 00
    Kinsella 02
    Shelvey10

    all top quality midfielders.

    Get players in like that we as a club would be on the up.


    So in your opinion, we've not had a top quality midfielder since Jonjo Shelvey? Okay, that tells me all I need to know.
    dale stephens was decent as was cullen - not sure how the list above missed out scott parker and claus jenson - probably our two best midfielders since 96
  • NabySarr
    NabySarr Posts: 6,206
    Sword65pf said:
    NabySarr said:
    Would love 2 new midfielders but the holding midfielder is the one we really need. We already have an 8 that is better in possession than Docherty, Costello. 

    In games where we have less off the ball (nearly every game) then Docherty is fine, he was one of our best players last season. I’d have had him 4th for POTY behind Jones, Bell and Carey. If there are games or scenarios where we need a better player on the ball in there then we already have Costello. Ideally we upgrade here too and then Costello slips down the pecking order as a versatile backup option 

    Coventry is where we really need to upgrade. That position is the one that gets on the ball the most (other than CB) and is who we rely on to progress the ball. I think some real quality there could transform our team
    Not as convinced by JRC as you are Naby.
    I’m not convinced either, but I just don’t see us needing 2 ball playing midfielders on the pitch at the same time very often at all. We aren’t suddenly going to be controlling games and passing through teams this season, and you need more than just having 2 good midfielders to do that. 

    So Docherty is fine, hopefully we can sign someone better but what we really must get is real quality in the Coventry role to be the player that picks the ball up from the defence (or from Doc when he’s won it back) and starts our attacks 
  • Braziliance
    Braziliance Posts: 8,943
    PringlesCurtains said:
    Braziliance said:
    On the subject of Peterborough and that ridiculous rumour, I have noticed Peterboroughs player of the year Archie Collins hasn't joined anyone yet. 

    Really feel that would be a smart pick up. Pretty good on the ball, can pick a pass, plenty of league 1 experience and looks like he could play a level above potentially.

    Not saying he would solve all our midfield problems, but think it would be a solid pick up on a free.


    Know his agent, apparently passed on him. 
    I wonder if after watching our midfielders put in a stinker against average League 1 opposition they will change their stance on this. 

    League 1 still has very good players and shouldn't be ignored. 

    Surprised no one has gone near Lewis Wing either, he might be 31, but he consistently plays 40+ games a season, has goals and assists in him and doesn't rely on pace, can easily see him being a consistently good player well into his mid thirties like Oli Norwood. 
  • cabbles
    cabbles Posts: 15,800
    DOUCHER said:
    cabbles said:
    I wouldn’t like to see TC leave as I think he’s one of our better players, but there’s no way he’s proven at this level.  He needs to kick on and deliver more this year.  I appreciate we weren’t the most fluid footballing team last year and the LWB role was very unsettled on Greg whole as soon as Edwards was injured, but I’m not sure he’d be a player of choice for a Soton, Norwich, Boro, Wolves, West Ham etc or anyone else chasing promotion.  For both us and him I think he should sign a new deal here.  If he doesn’t and he doesn’t offer much more than he did last season, I can’t see him getting a move to a Championship team 12th and up.

    Of course, he could be hedging his bets and not confident we’ll stay up, in which case it might be the right move for him, and he is then free to find a club 13-21st in the Champ for season 27/28 
    tc, ramsay, jones and bell are our best players - losing any of them is not a positive - keep them and add more quality is positive even if they don't sign new deals 
    Agreed, but I would like to see more of TC.  As mentioned he would’ve found it hard last season being considered our only consistent outlet that can pick the ball up and run at players, and we were set up not to get beat as opposed to win, and he suffered from not having quality among the team.  But, in my opinion, from the point of view of other champ clubs coming in for him if he weren’t to sign, I didn’t see enough to say he’s going to be consistently good at this level 

    still has a lot of time on his side and hopefully will kick on this season with a new deal as well 
  • fenaddick
    fenaddick Posts: 21,100
    Braziliance said:
    PringlesCurtains said:
    Braziliance said:
    On the subject of Peterborough and that ridiculous rumour, I have noticed Peterboroughs player of the year Archie Collins hasn't joined anyone yet. 

    Really feel that would be a smart pick up. Pretty good on the ball, can pick a pass, plenty of league 1 experience and looks like he could play a level above potentially.

    Not saying he would solve all our midfield problems, but think it would be a solid pick up on a free.


    Know his agent, apparently passed on him. 
    I wonder if after watching our midfielders put in a stinker against average League 1 opposition they will change their stance on this. 

    League 1 still has very good players and shouldn't be ignored. 

    Surprised no one has gone near Lewis Wing either, he might be 31, but he consistently plays 40+ games a season, has goals and assists in him and doesn't rely on pace, can easily see him being a consistently good player well into his mid thirties like Oli Norwood. 
    I think this is where JRC is causing an issue. You can take a punt on Wing/Collins if you have the squad space for them to be a good bench option if they’re not good enough to start. We don’t have that space and need midfielders who can come in and start 
  • Uboat
    Uboat Posts: 12,578
    Callumcafc said:
    Alright here’s a list of foreign / exotic / based abroad defensive minded central midfielders that I’d like to see us target

    - Jordan Holsgrove
    - Juho Kilo
    - Anzor Mekvabishvili
    - Matias Siltanen
    - Timi Elsnik
    - Frank Adjei
    - Markus Karlsson
    - Adrion Pajaziti
    - Santiago Castañeda
    - Seo Jae-Min
    - Panagiotis Andreou

    You can probably pick holes in each of them for one reason or another. Not gone too deep with the research but thought it would be fun to throw half a dozen names out.


    Are those all real people? I don’t think you’ll need to worry about many people picking holes in them. 
  • Sword65pf
    Sword65pf Posts: 2,274
    fenaddick said:
    Braziliance said:
    PringlesCurtains said:
    Braziliance said:
    On the subject of Peterborough and that ridiculous rumour, I have noticed Peterboroughs player of the year Archie Collins hasn't joined anyone yet. 

    Really feel that would be a smart pick up. Pretty good on the ball, can pick a pass, plenty of league 1 experience and looks like he could play a level above potentially.

    Not saying he would solve all our midfield problems, but think it would be a solid pick up on a free.


    Know his agent, apparently passed on him. 
    I wonder if after watching our midfielders put in a stinker against average League 1 opposition they will change their stance on this. 

    League 1 still has very good players and shouldn't be ignored. 

    Surprised no one has gone near Lewis Wing either, he might be 31, but he consistently plays 40+ games a season, has goals and assists in him and doesn't rely on pace, can easily see him being a consistently good player well into his mid thirties like Oli Norwood. 
    I think this is where JRC is causing an issue. You can take a punt on Wing/Collins if you have the squad space for them to be a good bench option if they’re not good enough to start. We don’t have that space and need midfielders who can come in and start 
    Even when JRC looked like he had a bit about him last season, he still didn’t nail down a regular starting spot, I don’t see how that is going to change, it can’t be just style of play, who he is playing alongside.i don’t believe he wasn’t signed as a starter when he came, it’s just a very odd signing.
  • CAFCsayer
    CAFCsayer Posts: 10,800
    Uboat said:
    Callumcafc said:
    Alright here’s a list of foreign / exotic / based abroad defensive minded central midfielders that I’d like to see us target

    - Jordan Holsgrove
    - Juho Kilo
    - Anzor Mekvabishvili
    - Matias Siltanen
    - Timi Elsnik
    - Frank Adjei
    - Markus Karlsson
    - Adrion Pajaziti
    - Santiago Castañeda
    - Seo Jae-Min
    - Panagiotis Andreou

    You can probably pick holes in each of them for one reason or another. Not gone too deep with the research but thought it would be fun to throw half a dozen names out.


    Are those all real people? I don’t think you’ll need to worry about many people picking holes in them. 
    Panagiotis Andreou was born in Athens in 1978. He is a bass player who blends electronic jazz, Latin and Balkan music with his unique style of playing.

    Not sure about this one

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  • Redguy12
    Redguy12 Posts: 33
    NabySarr said:
    Sword65pf said:
    NabySarr said:
    Would love 2 new midfielders but the holding midfielder is the one we really need. We already have an 8 that is better in possession than Docherty, Costello. 

    In games where we have less off the ball (nearly every game) then Docherty is fine, he was one of our best players last season. I’d have had him 4th for POTY behind Jones, Bell and Carey. If there are games or scenarios where we need a better player on the ball in there then we already have Costello. Ideally we upgrade here too and then Costello slips down the pecking order as a versatile backup option 

    Coventry is where we really need to upgrade. That position is the one that gets on the ball the most (other than CB) and is who we rely on to progress the ball. I think some real quality there could transform our team
    Not as convinced by JRC as you are Naby.
    I’m not convinced either, but I just don’t see us needing 2 ball playing midfielders on the pitch at the same time very often at all. We aren’t suddenly going to be controlling games and passing through teams this season, and you need more than just having 2 good midfielders to do that. 

    So Docherty is fine, hopefully we can sign someone better but what we really must get is real quality in the Coventry role to be the player that picks the ball up from the defence (or from Doc when he’s won it back) and starts our attacks 
    I think JRC has the potential to be top championship player. He's performance at Blackburn under Toney Mowbray was to that level but he was playing rb. The problem I have is I'm not sure where we are going to use him to get the best out of him. 
  • Redguy12
    Redguy12 Posts: 33
    edited July 26
    Braziliance said:
    PringlesCurtains said:
    Braziliance said:
    On the subject of Peterborough and that ridiculous rumour, I have noticed Peterboroughs player of the year Archie Collins hasn't joined anyone yet. 

    Really feel that would be a smart pick up. Pretty good on the ball, can pick a pass, plenty of league 1 experience and looks like he could play a level above potentially.

    Not saying he would solve all our midfield problems, but think it would be a solid pick up on a free.


    Know his agent, apparently passed on him. 
    I wonder if after watching our midfielders put in a stinker against average League 1 opposition they will change their stance on this. 

    League 1 still has very good players and shouldn't be ignored. 

    Surprised no one has gone near Lewis Wing either, he might be 31, but he consistently plays 40+ games a season, has goals and assists in him and doesn't rely on pace, can easily see him being a consistently good player well into his mid thirties like Oli Norwood. 
    I don't think Wing or Collins solve the main problem we have in midfield. Norwood would to some degree but we ain't going to move for him but someone like that would suit us better.
  • DOUCHER
    DOUCHER Posts: 8,908
    fenaddick said:
    Braziliance said:
    PringlesCurtains said:
    Braziliance said:
    On the subject of Peterborough and that ridiculous rumour, I have noticed Peterboroughs player of the year Archie Collins hasn't joined anyone yet. 

    Really feel that would be a smart pick up. Pretty good on the ball, can pick a pass, plenty of league 1 experience and looks like he could play a level above potentially.

    Not saying he would solve all our midfield problems, but think it would be a solid pick up on a free.


    Know his agent, apparently passed on him. 
    I wonder if after watching our midfielders put in a stinker against average League 1 opposition they will change their stance on this. 

    League 1 still has very good players and shouldn't be ignored. 

    Surprised no one has gone near Lewis Wing either, he might be 31, but he consistently plays 40+ games a season, has goals and assists in him and doesn't rely on pace, can easily see him being a consistently good player well into his mid thirties like Oli Norwood. 
    I think this is where JRC is causing an issue. You can take a punt on Wing/Collins if you have the squad space for them to be a good bench option if they’re not good enough to start. We don’t have that space and need midfielders who can come in and start 
    JRC shouldn't be anywhere near the first 11 conversation - utility man cover at best - another very strange signing 
  • Kinsella87
    Kinsella87 Posts: 594
    golfaddick said:
    Kinsella87 said:
    2019 promotion midfield - Cullen, Aribo, Bielik was a quality midfield, would love that now 
    And how much did Culen & Bielik eventually get sold for  ?  Of course they were quality players.

    Imo

    Last quality midfielders that were contracted to us were

    Andy Reid
    Ricky Holmes

    Wasn’t focusing on player sales just the players we had in squad, and if we had a better ownership we would have done more to keep/sign them up 
  • MarcusH26
    MarcusH26 Posts: 10,533
    I just don't really see where JRC fits in. Has got technical ability but he's so slow. 
  • Blucher
    Blucher Posts: 4,380
    JRC has certainly got a pass in him but he lacks pace, stamina and athleticism.

    A very odd signing and hardly a Nathan Jones type player.
  • Callumcafc
    Callumcafc Posts: 66,957
    Uboat said:
    Callumcafc said:
    Alright here’s a list of foreign / exotic / based abroad defensive minded central midfielders that I’d like to see us target

    - Jordan Holsgrove
    - Juho Kilo
    - Anzor Mekvabishvili
    - Matias Siltanen
    - Timi Elsnik
    - Frank Adjei
    - Markus Karlsson
    - Adrion Pajaziti
    - Santiago Castañeda
    - Seo Jae-Min
    - Panagiotis Andreou

    You can probably pick holes in each of them for one reason or another. Not gone too deep with the research but thought it would be fun to throw half a dozen names out.


    Are those all real people? I don’t think you’ll need to worry about many people picking holes in them. 
    You’d be surprised! In fact, is this not you picking a hole? :- )
  • Southbank
    Southbank Posts: 5,807
    Those of you trying to make a case that our midfield just needs a single change to make it competitive, are barmy.
    Coventry, Docherty, Knibbs, JRC and Carey are all mediocre by Champ standards, we saw that last season for God's sake. We could get away with one of them, Carey probably,  if we bring the right two reinforcements in. Otherwise it will be grim from the getgo.
  • kentred2
    kentred2 Posts: 2,434
    Lewis Coaches said:
    AberystwythAddick said:
    Need some big movement out now if we want to clear space for top quality midfielders. 
    Kanu
    Tanto 
    Assimwe 
    Doc 
    Ramsay (if the fee is right) 
    get some money in and reinvest on a high quality of player 
    Top quality midfielders. 
    Sorry but that is not going to happen.

    Average players maybe .

    The days of decent and top quality players at Charlton disappeared Many years ago.
    Depends what top of you’re talking. Top of mid table championship will be a step up. 

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