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Coventry or Docherty?

CafcSteve
CafcSteve Posts: 995
edited March 22 in General Charlton

We currently have two central midfielders who haven’t managed to score a goal in the championship for us.

Who will score first & When?

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  • Leuth
    Leuth Posts: 23,884


    ^Recognise this man?

    Scoring isn't Conor's job. 
  • kinveachyaddick
    kinveachyaddick Posts: 4,197
    Can’t see either scoring this season tbh. Has either of them come close - hit the woodwork, forced a wonder save or missed a sitter?
  • ForeverAddickted
    ForeverAddickted Posts: 99,200
    edited March 22
    kinveachyaddick said:
    Can’t see either scoring this season tbh. Has either of them come close - hit the woodwork, forced a wonder save or missed a sitter?
    Docherty had a penalty saved
  • Alwaysneil
    Alwaysneil Posts: 14,286
    Think Docherty has more attempts/ gets into more attacking poisitions before blazing wide/over or passing backwards or to an oppo player. 

    Ao if one of them scores this year my miney would be in him of the pair
  • sam3110
    sam3110 Posts: 22,745
    If either score it'll be Docherty, he's had more shots, has a higher xG, had more big chances and he plays higher up the pitch 
  • CafcSteve
    CafcSteve Posts: 995
    I didn’t say that scoring was Coventry’s job.

    Will just be interesting to see who does score first.
  • cfgs
    cfgs Posts: 11,695
    Coventry had that long range piledriver against Leicester at home, other than his misdirected header at Oxford that is the only effort I can remember from him.
  • ForeverAddickted
    ForeverAddickted Posts: 99,200
    Leuth said:


    ^Recognise this man?

    Scoring isn't Conor's job. 
    Who is that?
  • CafcSteve
    CafcSteve Posts: 995
    edited March 22
    That’s Leon Britton.

    He scored ten for the club before, so left it out.
  • Leuth
    Leuth Posts: 23,884
    ForeverAddickted said:
    Leuth said:


    ^Recognise this man?

    Scoring isn't Conor's job. 
    Who is that?
    The greatest uncapped English midfielder of all time, obviously :D

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  • Crispywood
    Crispywood Posts: 1,730
    kinveachyaddick said:
    Can’t see either scoring this season tbh. Has either of them come close - hit the woodwork, forced a wonder save or missed a sitter?
    Coventry could have had a hat trick at Leicester, keeper made a wonder save from his edge of the box screamer, missed a free header from a corner and somehow back heeled the ball out of play from 3 yards out. 

    Docherty has missed a pen, should have scored at Norwich if he took the ball on his right foot not his left and had a shot incredibly blocked by Okoli when we lost at leceister. 

    For the actual question I can’t see either of them scoring this season I wouldn’t be shocked if one of them left this summer to make room for a midfielder who can actually score a goal 
  • Leuth
    Leuth Posts: 23,884
    CafcSteve said:
    That’s Leon Britton.

    He scored ten for the club before, so left it out.
    That was before he specialised in what is Coventry's role, when Swansea had their Premier League run. His previous spell at Swansea was lower-league
  • CafcSteve
    CafcSteve Posts: 995
    Coady interestingly has already scored one.
  • DOUCHER
    DOUCHER Posts: 8,683
    I think if we are to progress, both will become squad players before leaving in the next couple of years - doc will probably be first off as he’s just way too limited in possession for the position he plays - think his position will be a prime transfer target this summer 
  • Chunes
    Chunes Posts: 18,200
    Coady seems to pop up in the box more than Conor does from the same position. I think it's just a player-type thing. 

    I remember when Docherty smashed one in the top corner against Bolton and I thought, wow... We've got an exciting player here. Sadly he's actually got very little attacking threat and he's more of a defensively reliable runner. 
  • RonnieMoore
    RonnieMoore Posts: 5,000
    Not there jobs to score their defending midfielders .. 
  • Talal
    Talal Posts: 11,784
    Coventry is a 1 goal a season player with the role he has, if that. Docherty probably should've scored a few but with the way we play it's not all that surprising neither have registered. Attacking players like Leaburn and Campbell only have 3 goals each. 
  • Henry Irving
    Henry Irving Posts: 86,031
    Lay money on both to score next game
  • Crispywood
    Crispywood Posts: 1,730
    Brannagan has 5 at Oxford, Baker has 4 at Stoke, Adams has 3 at Pompey Randall has 3 at Bristol City, Baradji and Molumby have 2 at Blackburn and West Brom etc etc etc all deeper midfielders at teams around us. Don’t expect many goals from either but I don’t think it would hurt them scoring 2 goals a season that could be worth an extra 2-3 points in the grand scheme of things  
  • Chunes
    Chunes Posts: 18,200
    Crispywood said:
    Brannagan has 5 at Oxford, Baker has 4 at Stoke, Adams has 3 at Pompey Randall has 3 at Bristol City, Baradji and Molumby have 2 at Blackburn and West Brom etc etc etc all deeper midfielders at teams around us. Don’t expect many goals from either but I don’t think it would hurt them scoring 2 goals a season that could be worth an extra 2-3 points in the grand scheme of things  
    Marlon Pack has 2 from 18 starts and the guy is 34. 

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  • DOUCHER
    DOUCHER Posts: 8,683
    Crispywood said:
    Brannagan has 5 at Oxford, Baker has 4 at Stoke, Adams has 3 at Pompey Randall has 3 at Bristol City, Baradji and Molumby have 2 at Blackburn and West Brom etc etc etc all deeper midfielders at teams around us. Don’t expect many goals from either but I don’t think it would hurt them scoring 2 goals a season that could be worth an extra 2-3 points in the grand scheme of things  
    and brannagan was out for half the season and probably does the same role as docherty - they pay him lots of money, something we will have to do to get players who can do that 
  • Sage
    Sage Posts: 7,353
    Going to be sounding very negative and not wanting to take anything away from the point of the thread. However, I haven’t seen enough of either this season that makes me feel they’re going to take us forward next season and beyond.

    Doc’s been great recently and we know Cov’s ability too. However, we either need better to play alongside them, or we need better full stop.

    If I was to guess, it would be Doc who scores first. However, I don’t remember the last chance he had? Coventry seems to pop up randomly and is in the box for things like corners etc. he’s just not the target.

    On another note, I can’t believe that neither Ramsay or Clarke have scored this season. Both have had unbelievable chances (granted Clarke did at Leicester and was wrongly ruled out) 
  • cantersaddick
    cantersaddick Posts: 18,024
    CafcSteve said:
    Coady interestingly has already scored one.
    Interestingly when playing as a CB and up for a set piece rather than when in the Cov role
  • MarcusH26
    MarcusH26 Posts: 9,541
    Doc from the edge of box probably. Would be shocked if Coventry scored this season. 

    Do agree that as fantastic as both have been for us it's prime upgrade spots for the summer. Would still keep Cov around as depth but would want a bit more physicality in that role and someone in Docs role who can pick a pass. 
  • NabySarr
    NabySarr Posts: 5,366
    edited March 22
    I’d keep both in the squad but would be recruiting for both of their roles in the team. If we overhaul the midfield well and recruit the right wing backs then we’re already going to be a better team next season 

    Docherty has probably been better than I expected him to be at this level, Coventry’s form has dipped second half of the season but it sounds like he was carrying an injury for quite a bit of that. Both have done solid enough jobs to still be involved next season 
  • Crispywood
    Crispywood Posts: 1,730
    NabySarr said:
    I’d keep both in the squad but would be recruiting for both of their roles in the team. If we overhaul the midfield well and recruit the right wing backs then we’re already going to be a better team next season 

    Docherty has probably been better than I expected him to be at this level, Coventry’s form has dipped second half of the season but it sounds like he was carrying an injury for quite a bit of that. Both have done solid enough jobs to still be involved next season 
    NEW Coventry 
    NEW JRC or Docherty 
    Carey Knibbs 

    reckon that’s the plan for next season. Anderson and Fullah makes sense to loan them both out to L1. 

    However judging by the fact Jones has always preferred working with 5-6 midfielders one of the 8’s has got to go in JRC or Docherty to make room if we want to play a more attractive brand you keep JRC but would Jones want to sell his club captain difficult to call 
  • NabySarr
    NabySarr Posts: 5,366
    Crispywood said:
    NabySarr said:
    I’d keep both in the squad but would be recruiting for both of their roles in the team. If we overhaul the midfield well and recruit the right wing backs then we’re already going to be a better team next season 

    Docherty has probably been better than I expected him to be at this level, Coventry’s form has dipped second half of the season but it sounds like he was carrying an injury for quite a bit of that. Both have done solid enough jobs to still be involved next season 
    NEW Coventry 
    NEW JRC or Docherty 
    Carey Knibbs 

    reckon that’s the plan for next season. Anderson and Fullah makes sense to loan them both out to L1. 

    However judging by the fact Jones has always preferred working with 5-6 midfielders one of the 8’s has got to go in JRC or Docherty to make room if we want to play a more attractive brand you keep JRC but would Jones want to sell his club captain difficult to call 
    That’s what I’m thinking. I’d rather keep Docherty tbh to come in and shithouse it if needed and he’s obviously very good to have around the place. The new player can be an upgrade on Costello to play some football 

    I think it’s quite obvious that Jones doesn’t rate Costello. I just don’t think he has it in him physically to be a regular in a Nathan Jones side so he’s never going to be a regular starter  
  • Crispywood
    Crispywood Posts: 1,730
    NabySarr said:
    Crispywood said:
    NabySarr said:
    I’d keep both in the squad but would be recruiting for both of their roles in the team. If we overhaul the midfield well and recruit the right wing backs then we’re already going to be a better team next season 

    Docherty has probably been better than I expected him to be at this level, Coventry’s form has dipped second half of the season but it sounds like he was carrying an injury for quite a bit of that. Both have done solid enough jobs to still be involved next season 
    NEW Coventry 
    NEW JRC or Docherty 
    Carey Knibbs 

    reckon that’s the plan for next season. Anderson and Fullah makes sense to loan them both out to L1. 

    However judging by the fact Jones has always preferred working with 5-6 midfielders one of the 8’s has got to go in JRC or Docherty to make room if we want to play a more attractive brand you keep JRC but would Jones want to sell his club captain difficult to call 
    That’s what I’m thinking. I’d rather keep Docherty tbh to come in and shithouse it if needed and he’s obviously very good to have around the place. The new player can be an upgrade on Costello to play some football 

    I think it’s quite obvious that Jones doesn’t rate Costello. I just don’t think he has it in him physically to be a regular in a Nathan Jones side so he’s never going to be a regular starter  
    It’s hard to tell with JRC because he’s had such little minutes I can’t tell if he’s any good or not. Adkins went 9 games with Dobson not even getting in the lineup and squad then proceeded to be our best player for the next 3 years you just never know with some people. 

    Think it’s less important if they’re going to be squad players but we can’t be rocking up next season with Coventry Docherty and Carey as a midfield 3. 
  • Off_it
    Off_it Posts: 29,276
    RonnieMoore said:
    Not there jobs to score their defending midfielders .. 
    My eyes!
  • Callumcafc
    Callumcafc Posts: 65,999
    Sage said:
    Going to be sounding very negative and not wanting to take anything away from the point of the thread. However, I haven’t seen enough of either this season that makes me feel they’re going to take us forward next season and beyond.

    Doc’s been great recently and we know Cov’s ability too. However, we either need better to play alongside them, or we need better full stop.

    If I was to guess, it would be Doc who scores first. However, I don’t remember the last chance he had? Coventry seems to pop up randomly and is in the box for things like corners etc. he’s just not the target.

    On another note, I can’t believe that neither Ramsay or Clarke have scored this season. Both have had unbelievable chances (granted Clarke did at Leicester and was wrongly ruled out) 
    On Saturday TC beat his ma out wide and pulled the ball back to him. His touch was heavy though meaning he had to shoot from a wider angle than ideal. A midfielder with a bit of extra composure in that moment probably scores and gives TC an assist.

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