Coventry or Docherty?

boggzy

DOUCHER said:

I think if we are to progress, both will become squad players before leaving in the next couple of years - doc will probably be first off as he’s just way too limited in possession for the position he plays - think his position will be a prime transfer target this summer 

That's what I thought at the end of last season!

MarcusH26

I find it really hard to judge JRC, don't think he's been given enough of a run in the side to properly assess him. Had that purple patch over Christmas/early Jan where he looked like the solution to our problems but then was a part of the debacle at the Den and hasn't really been trusted since. 

RonnieMoore

Crispywood said:

Brannagan has 5 at Oxford, Baker has 4 at Stoke, Adams has 3 at Pompey Randall has 3 at Bristol City, Baradji and Molumby have 2 at Blackburn and West Brom etc etc etc all deeper midfielders at teams around us. Don’t expect many goals from either but I don’t think it would hurt them scoring 2 goals a season that could be worth an extra 2-3 points in the grand scheme of things  

Most likey play a different system were third in the league keeping clean sheets so their doing their jobs 

3G

When people say to me who would you rather play, Doc or Coventry, my answer is always the same. They're not mutually exclusive. 

stoneroses19

MarcusH26 said:

I find it really hard to judge JRC, don't think he's been given enough of a run in the side to properly assess him. Had that purple patch over Christmas/early Jan where he looked like the solution to our problems but then was a part of the debacle at the Den and hasn't really been trusted since. 

I think we will see a lot more of him next season if we do start playing it on the floor more as Jones has hinted is the plan. 

BalladMan

Callumcafc said:

Sage said:

Going to be sounding very negative and not wanting to take anything away from the point of the thread. However, I haven’t seen enough of either this season that makes me feel they’re going to take us forward next season and beyond.

Doc’s been great recently and we know Cov’s ability too. However, we either need better to play alongside them, or we need better full stop.

If I was to guess, it would be Doc who scores first. However, I don’t remember the last chance he had? Coventry seems to pop up randomly and is in the box for things like corners etc. he’s just not the target.

On another note, I can’t believe that neither Ramsay or Clarke have scored this season. Both have had unbelievable chances (granted Clarke did at Leicester and was wrongly ruled out) 

On Saturday TC beat his ma out wide and pulled the ball back to him. His touch was heavy though meaning he had to shoot from a wider angle than ideal. A midfielder with a bit of extra composure in that moment probably scores and gives TC an assist.

Should have hit it with his weaker foot 1st time.  His touch was shocking. 

SteveACS

Crispywood said:

NabySarr said:

Crispywood said:

NabySarr said:

I’d keep both in the squad but would be recruiting for both of their roles in the team. If we overhaul the midfield well and recruit the right wing backs then we’re already going to be a better team next season 

Docherty has probably been better than I expected him to be at this level, Coventry’s form has dipped second half of the season but it sounds like he was carrying an injury for quite a bit of that. Both have done solid enough jobs to still be involved next season 

NEW Coventry 
NEW JRC or Docherty 
Carey Knibbs 

reckon that’s the plan for next season. Anderson and Fullah makes sense to loan them both out to L1. 

However judging by the fact Jones has always preferred working with 5-6 midfielders one of the 8’s has got to go in JRC or Docherty to make room if we want to play a more attractive brand you keep JRC but would Jones want to sell his club captain difficult to call 

That’s what I’m thinking. I’d rather keep Docherty tbh to come in and shithouse it if needed and he’s obviously very good to have around the place. The new player can be an upgrade on Costello to play some football 

I think it’s quite obvious that Jones doesn’t rate Costello. I just don’t think he has it in him physically to be a regular in a Nathan Jones side so he’s never going to be a regular starter  

It’s hard to tell with JRC because he’s had such little minutes I can’t tell if he’s any good or not. Adkins went 9 games with Dobson not even getting in the lineup and squad then proceeded to be our best player for the next 3 years you just never know with some people. 

Think it’s less important if they’re going to be squad players but we can’t be rocking up next season with Coventry Docherty and Carey as a midfield 3. 

Sorry, JRC is too slow (slower than both Doc and Cov), and is blowing out of his ar5e after 60 minutes...

If he's the answer, you're asking the wrong question...

NabySarr

SteveACS said:

Crispywood said:

NabySarr said:

Crispywood said:

NabySarr said:

I’d keep both in the squad but would be recruiting for both of their roles in the team. If we overhaul the midfield well and recruit the right wing backs then we’re already going to be a better team next season 

Docherty has probably been better than I expected him to be at this level, Coventry’s form has dipped second half of the season but it sounds like he was carrying an injury for quite a bit of that. Both have done solid enough jobs to still be involved next season 

NEW Coventry 
NEW JRC or Docherty 
Carey Knibbs 

reckon that’s the plan for next season. Anderson and Fullah makes sense to loan them both out to L1. 

However judging by the fact Jones has always preferred working with 5-6 midfielders one of the 8’s has got to go in JRC or Docherty to make room if we want to play a more attractive brand you keep JRC but would Jones want to sell his club captain difficult to call 

That’s what I’m thinking. I’d rather keep Docherty tbh to come in and shithouse it if needed and he’s obviously very good to have around the place. The new player can be an upgrade on Costello to play some football 

I think it’s quite obvious that Jones doesn’t rate Costello. I just don’t think he has it in him physically to be a regular in a Nathan Jones side so he’s never going to be a regular starter  

It’s hard to tell with JRC because he’s had such little minutes I can’t tell if he’s any good or not. Adkins went 9 games with Dobson not even getting in the lineup and squad then proceeded to be our best player for the next 3 years you just never know with some people. 

Think it’s less important if they’re going to be squad players but we can’t be rocking up next season with Coventry Docherty and Carey as a midfield 3. 

Sorry, JRC is too slow (slower than both Doc and Cov), and is blowing out of his ar5e after 60 minutes...

If he's the answer, you're asking the wrong question...

100%. He’s a good footballer, probably one of the better ones in our squad, but there are non-negotiables to play in a Nathan Jones team that I just don’t think he can meet. Good player but not a good enough athlete for us 

kinveachyaddick

NabySarr said:

SteveACS said:

Crispywood said:

NabySarr said:

Crispywood said:

NabySarr said:

I’d keep both in the squad but would be recruiting for both of their roles in the team. If we overhaul the midfield well and recruit the right wing backs then we’re already going to be a better team next season 

Docherty has probably been better than I expected him to be at this level, Coventry’s form has dipped second half of the season but it sounds like he was carrying an injury for quite a bit of that. Both have done solid enough jobs to still be involved next season 

NEW Coventry 
NEW JRC or Docherty 
Carey Knibbs 

reckon that’s the plan for next season. Anderson and Fullah makes sense to loan them both out to L1. 

However judging by the fact Jones has always preferred working with 5-6 midfielders one of the 8’s has got to go in JRC or Docherty to make room if we want to play a more attractive brand you keep JRC but would Jones want to sell his club captain difficult to call 

That’s what I’m thinking. I’d rather keep Docherty tbh to come in and shithouse it if needed and he’s obviously very good to have around the place. The new player can be an upgrade on Costello to play some football 

I think it’s quite obvious that Jones doesn’t rate Costello. I just don’t think he has it in him physically to be a regular in a Nathan Jones side so he’s never going to be a regular starter  

It’s hard to tell with JRC because he’s had such little minutes I can’t tell if he’s any good or not. Adkins went 9 games with Dobson not even getting in the lineup and squad then proceeded to be our best player for the next 3 years you just never know with some people. 

Think it’s less important if they’re going to be squad players but we can’t be rocking up next season with Coventry Docherty and Carey as a midfield 3. 

Sorry, JRC is too slow (slower than both Doc and Cov), and is blowing out of his ar5e after 60 minutes...

If he's the answer, you're asking the wrong question...

100%. He’s a good footballer, probably one of the better ones in our squad, but there are non-negotiables to play in a Nathan Jones team that I just don’t think he can meet. Good player but not a good enough athlete for us 

Agree 100% with this. Which rather begs the question why did NJ sign him?

Presumably he’d watched him play for Blackburn so knew his strengths and weaknesses?

Chunes

kinveachyaddick said:

NabySarr said:

SteveACS said:

Crispywood said:

NabySarr said:

Crispywood said:

NabySarr said:

I’d keep both in the squad but would be recruiting for both of their roles in the team. If we overhaul the midfield well and recruit the right wing backs then we’re already going to be a better team next season 

Docherty has probably been better than I expected him to be at this level, Coventry’s form has dipped second half of the season but it sounds like he was carrying an injury for quite a bit of that. Both have done solid enough jobs to still be involved next season 

NEW Coventry 
NEW JRC or Docherty 
Carey Knibbs 

reckon that’s the plan for next season. Anderson and Fullah makes sense to loan them both out to L1. 

However judging by the fact Jones has always preferred working with 5-6 midfielders one of the 8’s has got to go in JRC or Docherty to make room if we want to play a more attractive brand you keep JRC but would Jones want to sell his club captain difficult to call 

That’s what I’m thinking. I’d rather keep Docherty tbh to come in and shithouse it if needed and he’s obviously very good to have around the place. The new player can be an upgrade on Costello to play some football 

I think it’s quite obvious that Jones doesn’t rate Costello. I just don’t think he has it in him physically to be a regular in a Nathan Jones side so he’s never going to be a regular starter  

It’s hard to tell with JRC because he’s had such little minutes I can’t tell if he’s any good or not. Adkins went 9 games with Dobson not even getting in the lineup and squad then proceeded to be our best player for the next 3 years you just never know with some people. 

Think it’s less important if they’re going to be squad players but we can’t be rocking up next season with Coventry Docherty and Carey as a midfield 3. 

Sorry, JRC is too slow (slower than both Doc and Cov), and is blowing out of his ar5e after 60 minutes...

If he's the answer, you're asking the wrong question...

100%. He’s a good footballer, probably one of the better ones in our squad, but there are non-negotiables to play in a Nathan Jones team that I just don’t think he can meet. Good player but not a good enough athlete for us 

Agree 100% with this. Which rather begs the question why did NJ sign him?

Presumably he’d watched him play for Blackburn so knew his strengths and weaknesses?

He was probably #2 on the list after we missed out on Galbraith. 

To be honest, if we did manage to land Galbraith, he's not a battling tackler either, so I wonder whether he'd have been stuck on the bench, too. 

Weegie Addick

I do wonder whether NJ watched last season’s close season signings live very much or even at all? Maybe a consequence of getting promoted via playoffs? Hoping that’s something to rectify - time is marching on in the football world so he needs to move on from his rapidly outdating Luton knowledge. 

WrightCharlie

Weegie Addick said:

I do wonder whether NJ watched last season’s close season signings live very much or even at all? Maybe a consequence of getting promoted via playoffs? Hoping that’s something to rectify - time is marching on in the football world so he needs to move on from his rapidly outdating Luton knowledge. 

That 'recruit who you know and love' is pretty common isn't it......... done it myself tbh....... think this summer NJ will be ably supported by Phil Chapple et al....... and maybe last summer he trusted himself rather more than anyone else?

wmcf123

WrightCharlie said:

Weegie Addick said:

I do wonder whether NJ watched last season’s close season signings live very much or even at all? Maybe a consequence of getting promoted via playoffs? Hoping that’s something to rectify - time is marching on in the football world so he needs to move on from his rapidly outdating Luton knowledge. 

That 'recruit who you know and love' is pretty common isn't it......... done it myself tbh....... think this summer NJ will be ably supported by Phil Chapple et al....... and maybe last summer he trusted himself rather more than anyone else?

We’ll need a much better summer than last year , where only Bell and Carey have been 100% successes .  Not a great strike rate .  

Talal

Sticking with the theme of the OP, we also have 3 centre backs that only have 1 goal between them. Obviously not their primary job but should they have scored more given the number of set pieces? 

Crispywood

Talal said:

Sticking with the theme of the OP, we also have 3 centre backs that only have 1 goal between them. Obviously not their primary job but should they have scored more given the number of set pieces? 

Jones should definitely have more but Bell stays back for set pieces and Ramsay’s heading is arguably his worst attribute and isn’t the biggest cb. Macca (2) Coady and Burke also have scored from cb so it’s not like we don’t have goals coming from the cb’s

Talal

Crispywood said:

Talal said:

Sticking with the theme of the OP, we also have 3 centre backs that only have 1 goal between them. Obviously not their primary job but should they have scored more given the number of set pieces? 

Jones should definitely have more but Bell stays back for set pieces and Ramsay’s heading is arguably his worst attribute and isn’t the biggest cb. Macca (2) Coady and Burke also have scored from cb so it’s not like we don’t have goals coming from the cb’s

Fair points, I do think Ramsay should've had at least one by now. They've done a great job though so not criticising, we'd be well in the shit without them.

fenaddick

Jones also isn't used as a goalscoring threat, a lot of the time the tactic is for him to get first contact and nod it back for someone else like Knibbs to nod/poke home

KingKinsella

Doc has an assist for Bree volley, lovely team work, controlled pass showing touch and awareness.
Outstanding (for this team) , my fav goal so far this (meh) season

CafcSteve

These two can’t keep playing alongside each other in this league.

Especially In home games.

Anyone with pace or creativity just completely breezes through our static midfield.

blackpool72

CafcSteve said:

These two can’t keep playing alongside each other in this league.

Especially In home games.

Anyone with pace or creativity just completely breezes through our static midfield.

I've been saying this for what seems like forever. 
They are a league one standard partnership at best 

Chunes

I never imagined they'd both be playing the majority of games this season. Top blokes but they just aren't at this standard. Coventry is great defensively but so limited in practically every other area. Doch is capable of a heroic performance when we're up against it, but on the ball, he is mid-table League One level. 

If we want to compete in this league, we need to upgrade.

MartinCAFC

Chunes said:

I never imagined they'd both be playing the majority of games this season. Top blokes but they just aren't at this standard. Coventry is great defensively but so limited in practically every other area. Doch is capable of a heroic performance when we're up against it, but on the ball, he is mid-table League One level. 

If we want to compete in this league, we need to upgrade.

Agreed, this is probably the biggest area of concern to address as arguably we need to upgrade on both players but that's not to say that both couldn't still do a job next season in the squad still.

sam3110

Doesn't help that when we're out of possession, we may as well be a man down for all the good Carey does defensively

Crispywood

MartinCAFC said:

Chunes said:

I never imagined they'd both be playing the majority of games this season. Top blokes but they just aren't at this standard. Coventry is great defensively but so limited in practically every other area. Doch is capable of a heroic performance when we're up against it, but on the ball, he is mid-table League One level. 

If we want to compete in this league, we need to upgrade.

Agreed, this is probably the biggest area of concern to address as arguably we need to upgrade on both players but that's not to say that both couldn't still do a job next season in the squad still.

We have Coventry Anderson Docherty JRC Carey Knibbs and Fullah all here next season. We need to bring in 2 midfielders minimum so 2/3 players need to make way, Anderson will go but Doc and Cov can’t both stay if we need room for others 

MartinCAFC

Crispywood said:

MartinCAFC said:

Chunes said:

I never imagined they'd both be playing the majority of games this season. Top blokes but they just aren't at this standard. Coventry is great defensively but so limited in practically every other area. Doch is capable of a heroic performance when we're up against it, but on the ball, he is mid-table League One level. 

If we want to compete in this league, we need to upgrade.

Agreed, this is probably the biggest area of concern to address as arguably we need to upgrade on both players but that's not to say that both couldn't still do a job next season in the squad still.

We have Coventry Anderson Docherty JRC Carey Knibbs and Fullah all here next season. We need to bring in 2 midfielders minimum so 2/3 players need to make way, Anderson will go but Doc and Cov can’t both stay if we need room for others 

I would say Carey, Knibbs and Fullah are all for the same place in the team and think we're fine there.

JRC would probably have to be moved on in addition to Anderson to be able to upgrade here.

Rock Spectacle

Just play Coady while we've got him. 

Crispywood

Rock Spectacle said:

Just play Coady while we've got him. 

Makes no sense to play a loan player ahead of our own when we have other options for that role, there’s no chance Coady is here next season and when we aren’t that desperate for points as of this moment 

Rock Spectacle

Not desperate but still need to get over the line and all the time we've got him why not use him 

Crispywood

Rock Spectacle said:

Not desperate but still need to get over the line and all the time we've got him why not use him 

Because the more games that Coventry plays the more he is going to adapt to this level, gets stronger fitter more experienced becomes a better player etc. He’s not going to get better sitting on the bench and ideally we need all Charlton players who are going to be with us for the foreseeable future to get better 

EugenesAxe

Don't think Coventry will be getting much better, I'd describe him as an agricultural player.