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Coventry or Docherty?
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Could always play the pair of them and let Coventry have the experience of Coady talking him through a game and learning through experience0
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Can’t believe people are comparing Coventry and Docherty.
Coventry is a far better player in that holding role and has a far higher ceiling. He’ll look a lot better for this seasons experience + having someone new alongside him next season3 -
Both League One players. Hopefully we stay up and upgrade in the summer.2
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Coady needs to be in the middle for the rest of the season. Not particularly fussed whether we have Docherty or Coventry in there also. We need a full upgrade in midfield in the summer (I’d say it’s our no.1 priority).4
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At this level, Coventry's lack of pace or physique can be the equivalent of a hole in midfield when he's not 100% on his game.Seeing him in the penalty box is quite amusing from corners.3
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It looked that way last season, but less so this season. Coventry’s tidier on the ball but doesn’t stand out with it, neither have a great range of passing, neither are a big physical presence or quick.Elthamaddick said:Can’t believe people are comparing Coventry and Docherty.
Coventry is a far better player in that holding role and has a far higher ceiling. He’ll look a lot better for this seasons experience + having someone new alongside him next season
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We need an upgrade in a lot of areas.se9addick said:Coady needs to be in the middle for the rest of the season. Not particularly fussed whether we have Docherty or Coventry in there also. We need a full upgrade in midfield in the summer (I’d say it’s our no.1 priority).
Both full backs are on loan and we don't know how Edwards will be when he returns.
Midfield is poor.
No creativity.
Not good enough up front and Dykes is only on loan.
I'd happily sign Clarke and Dykes if they want to join.1 -
Dykes is our player (on a short term contract)Chris_from_Sidcup said:
We need an upgrade in a lot of areas.se9addick said:oady needs to be in the middle for the rest of the season. Not particularly fussed whether we have Docherty or Coventry in there also. We need a full upgrade in midfield in the summer (I’d say it’s our no.1 priority).
Both full backs are on loan and we don't know how Edwards will be when he returns.
Midfield is poor.
No creativity.
Not good enough up front and Dykes is only on loan.
I'd happily sign Clarke and Dykes if they want to join.2 -
Last time Docherty was dropped it didn’t go well at all.
Yes, like most he wasn’t very good yesterday, but in our team of mediocre players it’s essential that we have his bite.
To me, it’s the other players that should be delivering more, offensively.
(Saying that, the whole team does need an upgrade if we stay up)0 -
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Didn’t see the bite when he allowed their number 6 to run straight around him. Both very limited , in my view, in slightly different ways . Not entirely sure why Coventry was told to make a back 6 yesterday . I’d definitely play Coady and Carey, plus one other .EastTerrace said:Last time Docherty was dropped it didn’t go well at all.
Yes, like most he wasn’t very good yesterday, but in our team of mediocre players it’s essential that we have his bite.
To me, it’s the other players that should be delivering more, offensively.
(Saying that, the whole team does need an upgrade if we stay up)0 -
End of the day no other championship club wanted Docherty or coventry (besides a turmoil Sheffield Wednesday) when they were both allowed to go on frees which speaks for itself.I’d happily go for budget friendly players in other areas of the pitch this summer if we can sort that midfield which has to be the priority2
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The biggest problem in our midfield is that all the players in it have some pretty glaring areas of their games that are lacking and they don't complement each other well at all. Some games it works great, sometimes Coady is the right choice as he would have been yesterday because we needed some calm recycling of the ball and better positional play. Other times though he's not got the legs and he gets exposed, which is why he's been dropped recently. Coventry has been doing quite well recently; he gets around the pitch well and offers a good range of passing but he's also not brilliant positionally against cleverer midfielders and isn't really creative enough to offset the gaps he can create defensively. Docherty sometimes covers all the gaps himself while also popping up on the wing and being and out of possession beast, but sometimes like yesterday he's just completely taken out of the game and may as well not be there. He offered no cover for Coventry yesterday and was basically absent. Carey sometimes offers the ability to drive with the ball and pops up with goals but he also causes a lot of counters to break down with his decision-making and isn't as all-action as you want an industrious 10 to be.In the summer we need to bring in players who fit together better. If we're playing a defensive shield then he needs to be mobile and not caught out of position. Then he will need an 8 in front of him who has a bit of pace and can do something creative with the ball while also putting his foot in. The advanced midfielder also needs to be able to track back better and offer something for the strikers to feed off. If we want a more creative defensive midfielder who can dictate the play then he needs a player in front of him to wreck up the place and he needs to be aggressive and quick. Right now it's a lot of issues caused by a lack of pace, creativity and positional sense that sometimes fits together ok but often has easily exploited gaps4
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Neither of them are up to the level. They are a top half League One pairing.2
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Judging by the way NJ was losing his nut in the first half, he wasn't told to.wmcf123 said:
Didn’t see the bite when he allowed their number 6 to run straight around him. Both very limited , in my view, in slightly different ways . Not entirely sure why Coventry was told to make a back 6 yesterday . I’d definitely play Coady and Carey, plus one other .EastTerrace said:Last time Docherty was dropped it didn’t go well at all.
Yes, like most he wasn’t very good yesterday, but in our team of mediocre players it’s essential that we have his bite.
To me, it’s the other players that should be delivering more, offensively.
(Saying that, the whole team does need an upgrade if we stay up)
It's a feature of his game though, he doesn't have a lot of pace so he relies on positioning to defend, and when players run full tilt at him in the middle of the park he backs off, often ending up as deep as the defence. In recent games teams have noticed this and actively run at our defence and holding midfield, and are creating a lot of opportunities because of it, because we're passive right now in closing down.
Earlier on in the season Jones and Bell were very proactive in pushing up and engaging players early, but as the season has worn on we drop deeper and deeper and it's dragging our midfield deeper and isolating our attackers even more0 -
I'd argue that players with high ceilings normally have strong raw abilities but need to bring it all together or make it more consistent. In terms of Conor's raw ability: touch, technique, strength, pace, vision, passing range, etc. I can't see that his ceiling goes much higher. He was very solid in L1 but as a midfielder in the Championship, you need either a more well-rounded game or to have more physicality.Elthamaddick said:Can’t believe people are comparing Coventry and Docherty.
Coventry is a far better player in that holding role and has a far higher ceiling. He’ll look a lot better for this seasons experience + having someone new alongside him next season
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I still rate Coventry would benefit from having a better player alongside him we do severely lack pace and creativity in midfield which needs to be addressed for next season0
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Coventry would be a solid back up in the championship. In a perfect world we upgrade that position. If we were to get a good box to box midfielder and a creative attacking midfielder, I might be ok with him starting (given a limited budget) as I think he would be better if we had more possession1
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Don't mind Coventry as a squad player for next season at all. The major upgrade has to be the Doc role and if we can find someone with a bit more physicality than Cov has.1
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This 100%The Red Robin said:Both League One players. Hopefully we stay up and upgrade in the summer.
They’ve taken as far as they can and hopefully they can offer up the best of their limited game between now and the end of the season to keep us up1 -
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Also good point to consider is that both are out of contract next season albeit Coventry we owe a massive sell on to West Ham may look to cash in0
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I think there need to be hard decisions made in the Summer and midfield seems to be the most pressing. I would let Taylor go and move on Rankin- Costello, Anderson and Docherty. I would keep Carey and Coventry. Try to bring in some flair players. It is not going to be easy.1
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Carey Knibbs Fullah Coventry one of JRC/Doc and 2 New CDM/CM has to be the midfield next year0
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The problem with Coady, is he's great if the opposition come through the middle, but doesn't have the pace to get out to help out on the flanks.
Which is why he was dropped for Coventry, when the suspension threat was lifted.0 -
Got to be wholesale changes in there for me. Doc, Anderson and unfortunately JRC out the door , Coventry as a squad player , fine with the 3 attacking options of Carey,Knibbs and Fullah.
Go and find some dynamism and players that can drive us up the pitch and add a few goals. Wouldn't be surprised if we looked abroad because of how much those types of players even at the top end of League 1 tend to cost. Then a big athletic holding midfielder that can break the game up and keep it simple. The job Ebou Adams did on us for Pompey is exactly what we need.0 -
Mwamba and Fullah have great potential but too early to have rely on them.
Doc is a leader and fighter, both of which are badly missed when he's not playing but we should be looking to upgrade.
Coventry is neat and tidy but he's not a creator or scorer, not a dead ball taker and not physically strong enough or fast enough to control a midfield in this division on a consistant basis.
Coady is excellent but does he want to move away from the North long term?
Carey can score but defending isn't his strength.
We've not seen enough of Knibbs.
We need, IMHO, to bring in better, faster, more skillful midfielders, including wide players if, assuming we stay up, we want to push on.
Nothing I'm suggesting will shock anyone reading this or anyone in our recruitment team.
Saying it is easy. Finding and affording those players will be the hard bit.1 -
I've already kind of ruled Coady out. Think he wants to be back up north next season.0
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Coady in interviews pretty much implying both parties see this as a short term move. But the fact Wrexhams 7th choice CB is arguably better than our 1st choice CDM is a reality check where our squad is at present0
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This. It's no fault of the players they're not good enough, what I can't abide is the lazy defensive runs back at times. Neither are quick enough or good enough to compete consistently at this level.Crispywood said:Coady in interviews pretty much implying both parties see this as a short term move. But the fact Wrexhams 7th choice CB is arguably better than our 1st choice CDM is a reality check where our squad is at present0
