[quote][cite]Posted By: matt_himself[/cite]The place was rocking? Not from where we were standing. You lot didn't muster a single chant until the 33rd minute (I looked at the big screen to check) and were then silent until the first goal. I thought you lot were strangely quiet, apart from the very-scary 'yoot' next to us, giving it the 'nescafe shake' for 90 minutes. The most amusing bit for me was the playing of the Champions League music before the game began. FFS, you are Charlton, not Bayern Munich. If Palace played that, I would be very embarassed. No, I`d be embarassed if we played "GLAD ALL OVER"
As for the match, you were the better team, passed well and held the line. Pardew disciplined the team very well and I thought Younga was excellent. regardless of whether you get promoted or not, if he plays like that consistently, you will struggle to keep hold of him. It speaks volumes of the match that our best player, by a mile was Speroni. If we had got the penalty for handball, which we should have, I doubt it would have really affected the game - you are simply better than us. I can't understand if you play like that, why you aren't in the automatic promotion positions. For the same reasons if you play like that, I cannot understand why you lot are not in the bottom three.
I have to say by the time I got to the pub in Croydon, the annoyance had gone, and by the end of the first pint, things were back to normal. Losing to you is annoying but doesn't hurt. The worst I have ever felt was when the Bummers beat us 1-0 at our place in 2005. That stung for days. May I suggest you find a team that will reciprecate the hatred you have for us? A serious rivarly needs two participants, not one. and grow some balls and accept that it wasn't Crystal Palace that caused all your problems in the '80s and '90s. They were homegrown. Yes, our problems were homegrown, but not only did you lot kick us when we down, you tried milk us dry. whilst walking to your place some your little charmers spat on my 8 year old sons coat and told him to f*** o** pikey **** while he was outside those shops by your place, hes 27 now, made us welcome!! yeah B*LL*CKS.
Anyway, I hope your season collapses, Richard Murray is finally unmasked for what he really is, Sir Simon Jordan and Paul Kemsley buy the Valley and turn it into a landfill and that global warming wrecks havoc on Thamesmead & most of you find yourselves living underwater.[/quote] OH DEAR, OH DEAR, grow up.
Thank you for your comments, this the best laugh I have had in a while.
Addickted - I am sorry to hit you with facts but Palace have a 25 year lease for Selhurst Park, at an annual rent of £1.2m, Kemsley and Jordan are quite prepared to work together. The buy option changes in 2010 and Selhurst cannot be redeveloped without CPFC's express consent.
John Pearson - I remember you barely scrapping 2,000 fans together for home games in the '80s and '90s. It must be that long journey put everbody off, because as we saw last night, it took us at least an hour to get from Charlton to East Croydon.
TCE - we can all quote incidents where opposition fans have behaved with stupidity and recklessness. I saw and heard enough from last night, with your fans trying to surge into away pubs, old people being barged over and your pikey yoot contingent trying to scare families on the train home. Every club has them, deal with it. Incidentally, we didn't 'bleed you dry' when you were at Selhurst. That would have been Altonwood, the owners of Selhurst at the time. If that is your reasoning behind a fake rivalry, then you have issues.
Tata. I must not come back. It is too easy. Too easy.
I think you might have done a bit too much acid in the 60s. Or your parents did.
Your posts are like a 'standard football message board responses to embarassment' guide. It's pretty embarassing. "We don't even care. Oh this is such a laugh! Oh this is too easy." Dear god. One is making a fool of one's self.
LOl, no its embarrassing.....................................................oh all right then, along the common by the lights at the hospital 3 young `uns run past me, trying, I assume to catch a bus at the stop ahead. One of them dropped, what I thought was one of those bus pass wallets, so called out to him and picked it up. He stopped came back, thanked me, saw I had a Charlton hat on, called a Charlton c*** and threw "A LUCKY ONE" which caught me just on the eyebrow. Now I gave him half a yard start, when I produced a tackle that "Magic" would have been proud off, the one where the oppo`s in full flight, and you just flick the back foot, he went down quicker than a cheap tart, his mates stopped and started to return when I found to my surprise I was being backed up by some of what turned to be some of the "West stand massive" a fella with his mum and dad, a big thank you to John (the fella`s dad) who was going kill him with his "Charlton Rucksack" I picked up the Young`un who was rolling around in the gutter, only to find this 15/16 year old "tough guy" yep you guessed it, he was crying, not watery eyed, absolutely sobbing, he`d grazed his hands (bless) so what do you? mums suggestion, phone the police! their busy enough without this tosser, smack him! was Johns suggestion, but he`s already crying! well I`ll do it, and proceded to try knock the s***e out him with his rucksack, his mates!!! disappeared without trace. so the message is there, if you fancy your chances against an overweight bald Grandad, if he`s backed up by 2 pensioners with their 40 year old son and matching rucksacks, DONT DO IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[cite]Posted By: matt_himself[/cite]Thank you for your comments, this the best laugh I have had in a while.
Addickted - I am sorry to hit you with facts but Palace have a 25 year lease for Selhurst Park, at an annual rent of £1.2m, Kemsley and Jordan are quite prepared to work together. The buy option changes in 2010 and Selhurst cannot be redeveloped without CPFC's express consent.
John Pearson - I remember you barely scrapping 2,000 fans together for home games in the '80s and '90s. It must be that long journey put everbody off, because as we saw last night, it took us at least an hour to get from Charlton to East Croydon.
TCE - we can all quote incidents where opposition fans have behaved with stupidity and recklessness. I saw and heard enough from last night, with your fans trying to surge into away pubs, old people being barged over and your pikey yoot contingent trying to scare families on the train home. Every club has them, deal with it. Incidentally, we didn't 'bleed you dry' when you were at Selhurst. That would have been Altonwood, the owners of Selhurst at the time. If that is your reasoning behind a fake rivalry, then you have issues.
Tata. I must not come back. It is too easy. Too easy.
Like taking 6 points from your piss poor excuse of a football team.
it really is not easy,you keep coming back for starters,what john is saying is you have a set of jerkoffs for fans,i heard the local scout group were in fistycuffs with your lot in greenwich,but you came unstuck when the brownies surged towards you,rember we no you hate us,and we no brighton was invented to deflect from hating a south london club.get out and do your chores stop biting .
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Tata. I must not come back. It is too easy. Too easy.
Thank heavens for that. Matthew is clearly far too intelligent, sharp witted and superior to us in every way. No, really he is. I think we have escaped quite lightly here. Phew.
[quote][cite]Posted By: Off_it[/cite][quote][cite]Posted By: matt_himself[/cite] Tata. I must not come back. It is too easy. Too easy.[/quote]
Thank heavens for that. Matthew is clearly far too intelligent, sharp witted and superior to us in every way. No, really he is. I think we have escaped quite lightly here. Phew.[/quote]
Its all right for you lot, but I have issues!!!!!! ;(
[cite]Posted By: matt_himself[/cite]Addickted - I am sorry to hit you with facts but Palace have a 25 year lease for Selhurst Park, at an annual rent of £1.2m, Kemsley and Jordan are quite prepared to work together. The buy option changes in 2010 and Selhurst cannot be redeveloped without CPFC's express consent.
Which part of the following do you find difficult to comprehend Matt?
Kemsley has confirmed that Neither Jordan nor Palace have any interest in the ground and there is no option to acquire an interest.
Kemsley has stated that unless Jordan comes up with the cash, he would evict the Club when the lease expires in 2010.
Relations between the two are so bad, that Kemsley would prefer to sell to a developer than to his old friend.
There would be NO problem with getting planning permission to redevelop the site for housing. Croydon Council desperately need sites for housing and SP could easily be developed along the lines of Highbury. There are NO listings on the stands.
The 'wonderful Holmesdale End' is sinking - I have seen it for myself. It is about three foot under water.
Jordan has done nothing, repeat nothing, to improve the ground over the last three years. It is his responsibility as the lease is a full repairing one.
You WILL be groundsharing away from Sellout in the 2010/2011 season as Jordan is in the financial mire. Real shame his Spanish property protfolio has gone down the tube.
There is a chance that the members stand may have to close next season - Croydon Council are currently considering not issuing the stand with a safety certificate.
Still, I hope you've got your 'reunited' T Shirt. Can't you see the man is an odious slimy creep and he has LIED to the Palce fans - who in my opinion do not deserve to be treated with that sort of contempt.
Wake up and smell the coffee before you don't have a football club to support.
Palace are an effin' embarrasment - call themselves rivals? To me a rivalry should be a healthy, even sided affair, where winning should be a real achievement rather than a given as it is with them.
They need to sort themsleves out before they have the cheek to aspire to be rivals to us.
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Tata. I must not come back. It is too easy. Too easy.
Thank heavens for that. Matthew is clearly far too intelligent, sharp witted and superior to us in every way. No, really he is. I think we have escaped quite lightly here. Phew.
Its all right for you lot, but I have issues!!!!!! ;(
He's clearly an astute judge of character too T.C.E.
;o)
[cite]Posted By: T.C.E[/cite]LOl, no its embarrassing.....................................................oh all right then, along the common by the lights at the hospital 3 young `uns run past me, trying, I assume to catch a bus at the stop ahead. One of them dropped, what I thought was one of those bus pass wallets, so called out to him and picked it up. He stopped came back, thanked me, saw I had a Charlton hat on, called a Charlton c*** and threw "A LUCKY ONE" which caught me just on the eyebrow. Now I gave him half a yard start, when I produced a tackle that "Magic" would have been proud off, the one where the oppo`s in full flight, and you just flick the back foot, he went down quicker than a cheap tart, his mates stopped and started to return when I found to my surprise I was being backed up by some of what turned to be some of the "West stand massive" a fella with his mum and dad, a big thank you to John (the fella`s dad) who was going kill him with his "Charlton Rucksack" I picked up the Young`un who was rolling around in the gutter, only to find this 15/16 year old "tough guy" yep you guessed it, he was crying, not watery eyed, absolutely sobbing, he`d grazed his hands (bless) so what do you? mums suggestion, phone the police! their busy enough without this tosser, smack him! was Johns suggestion, but he`s already crying! well I`ll do it, and proceded to try knock the s***e out him with his rucksack, his mates!!! disappeared without trace.
so the message is there, if you fancy your chances against an overweight bald Grandad, if he`s backed up by 2 pensioners with their 40 year old son and matching rucksacks, DONT DO IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Would of been nice to have a decent debate about it all. What a shame MH showed his true colours.
Palace's constant claims that we mean nothing to them used to wind me up a bit, now it passes as nothing but pure amusement that they seem to spend their lives debating whether they should hate Charlton or not.
Let's clear this up once and for all.
We have an ingrained dislike for everything about your club, and we have done collectively for nearly 25 years. It is not born out of 'wanting to have a rival', you will never fully understand the reasons why we feel the way we do.
We do not give two sh*ts whether it is reciprocated or not, it means nothing to us whether you do or don't, because Charlton supporters are not going to change their feelings towards Crystal Palace in any way.
If it genuinely means nothing to you, then that's fine by us. Just don't keep bleating on about it for the majority of your life in the vague belief that it gives you some form of superiority over us. Because it really doesn't.
A shame Matt, I thought we could, and were going to have a sensible footballing discussion.
As for why we Charlton have a grievance against Palace, if you don't understand then you'll probably never get it. Being treated as second class citizens by Palace and Noades when we ground shared and being ripped off blind for several years is at the heart of it. If you know the history I won't dredge it up, but I will remind you by contrast that the time we spent at Upton Park has left most people with a feeling of gratitude towards West Ham. Yes they may be rivals but they resisted the temptation to milk us dry, therefore you won't ever see the animosity directed towards the Hammers that we Charlton fans feel towards Palace and Ron Noades.
Yes you are right that Charlton's problems were home grown, directors who ripped the club off and a chronic lack of ambition sent us into bankrutcy in 1982, and coming out of that with a ground sorely lacking in modern facilities postponed the inevitable. In those days Palace were arguably the senior club in South London, while we endured ground sharing, the sale of our best players and somehow avoided liquidation and only survived through a mix of luck and the fans refusing to let the club die.
When Palace fans look at us now with a united and solvent club, one that owns its ground and training ground facilities, that regularly attracts 22K in the CCC and have just come off a seven year run in the premiership, they must wonder where it all went wrong for them given their head start. Many footballing fans look at the effort that we fans put in to save and restore the club and respect us for that, but instead Palace fans seem to project onto us their envy as the club, who despite the odds got it right, while you endured the Noaders, Goldberg and now Jordan era - these people and others ripped and are ripping you off, yet you direct your ire away from the real problems facing your club towards us. If Charlton are now stronger it's for a reason, same as Palace being weak is for a reason.
You say Charlton's problems were homegrown, that might once have been true, but we overcame them, equally though I'd say that Palace's current problems are also homegrown, but, can you overcome these problems? Have your fans got what it takes to make a difference? I'm not so sure...
Matt, at least you came on here which is more than the other palace fans who signed up this week in anticipation of the orgasmic delight of celebrating a win over your local rivals. Dream on.
On the singing, sitting on the half way line I perhaps got a more balanced view. Palace did make some noise and were at points louder than Charlton but they were also quiet for long periods.
To mis-quote the old phrase "he who sings last sings loudest" and at the final whistle you had less than 500 bodies in the ground. Didn't hear a peep out of you then.
"May I suggest you find a team that will reciprecate the hatred you have for us? A serious rivarly needs two participants, not one. and grow some balls and accept that it wasn't Crystal Palace that caused all your problems in the '80s and '90s." Matt_Himself
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No, I`d be embarassed if we played "GLAD ALL OVER"
As for the match, you were the better team, passed well and held the line. Pardew disciplined the team very well and I thought Younga was excellent. regardless of whether you get promoted or not, if he plays like that consistently, you will struggle to keep hold of him. It speaks volumes of the match that our best player, by a mile was Speroni. If we had got the penalty for handball, which we should have, I doubt it would have really affected the game - you are simply better than us. I can't understand if you play like that, why you aren't in the automatic promotion positions.
For the same reasons if you play like that, I cannot understand why you lot are not in the bottom three.
I have to say by the time I got to the pub in Croydon, the annoyance had gone, and by the end of the first pint, things were back to normal. Losing to you is annoying but doesn't hurt. The worst I have ever felt was when the Bummers beat us 1-0 at our place in 2005. That stung for days. May I suggest you find a team that will reciprecate the hatred you have for us? A serious rivarly needs two participants, not one. and grow some balls and accept that it wasn't Crystal Palace that caused all your problems in the '80s and '90s. They were homegrown.
Yes, our problems were homegrown, but not only did you lot kick us when we down, you tried milk us dry. whilst walking to your place some your little charmers spat on my 8 year old sons coat and told him to f*** o** pikey **** while he was outside those shops by your place, hes 27 now, made us welcome!! yeah B*LL*CKS.
Anyway, I hope your season collapses, Richard Murray is finally unmasked for what he really is, Sir Simon Jordan and Paul Kemsley buy the Valley and turn it into a landfill and that global warming wrecks havoc on Thamesmead & most of you find yourselves living underwater.[/quote]
OH DEAR, OH DEAR, grow up.
I'm not deluded Matthew, though you clearly are.
Remember us taking over your dump of ground so many times in 80's and 90's
We outplayed em and out sung em. Never is "shit club, shit fans" more appropreate than when it's sung about those w***ers!!
See us in the playoffs? They're having a laugh!!
Addickted - I am sorry to hit you with facts but Palace have a 25 year lease for Selhurst Park, at an annual rent of £1.2m, Kemsley and Jordan are quite prepared to work together. The buy option changes in 2010 and Selhurst cannot be redeveloped without CPFC's express consent.
John Pearson - I remember you barely scrapping 2,000 fans together for home games in the '80s and '90s. It must be that long journey put everbody off, because as we saw last night, it took us at least an hour to get from Charlton to East Croydon.
TCE - we can all quote incidents where opposition fans have behaved with stupidity and recklessness. I saw and heard enough from last night, with your fans trying to surge into away pubs, old people being barged over and your pikey yoot contingent trying to scare families on the train home. Every club has them, deal with it. Incidentally, we didn't 'bleed you dry' when you were at Selhurst. That would have been Altonwood, the owners of Selhurst at the time. If that is your reasoning behind a fake rivalry, then you have issues.
Tata. I must not come back. It is too easy. Too easy.
I think you might have done a bit too much acid in the 60s. Or your parents did.
Your posts are like a 'standard football message board responses to embarassment' guide. It's pretty embarassing. "We don't even care. Oh this is such a laugh! Oh this is too easy." Dear god. One is making a fool of one's self.
so the message is there, if you fancy your chances against an overweight bald Grandad, if he`s backed up by 2 pensioners with their 40 year old son and matching rucksacks, DONT DO IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Like taking 6 points from your piss poor excuse of a football team.
Thank heavens for that. Matthew is clearly far too intelligent, sharp witted and superior to us in every way. No, really he is. I think we have escaped quite lightly here. Phew.
Tata. I must not come back. It is too easy. Too easy.[/quote]
Thank heavens for that. Matthew is clearly far too intelligent, sharp witted and superior to us in every way. No, really he is. I think we have escaped quite lightly here. Phew.[/quote]
Its all right for you lot, but I have issues!!!!!! ;(
Which part of the following do you find difficult to comprehend Matt?
Kemsley has confirmed that Neither Jordan nor Palace have any interest in the ground and there is no option to acquire an interest.
Kemsley has stated that unless Jordan comes up with the cash, he would evict the Club when the lease expires in 2010.
Relations between the two are so bad, that Kemsley would prefer to sell to a developer than to his old friend.
There would be NO problem with getting planning permission to redevelop the site for housing. Croydon Council desperately need sites for housing and SP could easily be developed along the lines of Highbury. There are NO listings on the stands.
The 'wonderful Holmesdale End' is sinking - I have seen it for myself. It is about three foot under water.
Jordan has done nothing, repeat nothing, to improve the ground over the last three years. It is his responsibility as the lease is a full repairing one.
You WILL be groundsharing away from Sellout in the 2010/2011 season as Jordan is in the financial mire. Real shame his Spanish property protfolio has gone down the tube.
There is a chance that the members stand may have to close next season - Croydon Council are currently considering not issuing the stand with a safety certificate.
Still, I hope you've got your 'reunited' T Shirt. Can't you see the man is an odious slimy creep and he has LIED to the Palce fans - who in my opinion do not deserve to be treated with that sort of contempt.
Wake up and smell the coffee before you don't have a football club to support.
They need to sort themsleves out before they have the cheek to aspire to be rivals to us.
He's clearly an astute judge of character too T.C.E.
;o)
We've done the double: 6 points, 2 clean sheets - outclassed and outplayed them both games.
Enuff said. ;o)
lol thats quality lol
Palace's constant claims that we mean nothing to them used to wind me up a bit, now it passes as nothing but pure amusement that they seem to spend their lives debating whether they should hate Charlton or not.
Let's clear this up once and for all.
We have an ingrained dislike for everything about your club, and we have done collectively for nearly 25 years. It is not born out of 'wanting to have a rival', you will never fully understand the reasons why we feel the way we do.
We do not give two sh*ts whether it is reciprocated or not, it means nothing to us whether you do or don't, because Charlton supporters are not going to change their feelings towards Crystal Palace in any way.
If it genuinely means nothing to you, then that's fine by us. Just don't keep bleating on about it for the majority of your life in the vague belief that it gives you some form of superiority over us. Because it really doesn't.
As for why we Charlton have a grievance against Palace, if you don't understand then you'll probably never get it. Being treated as second class citizens by Palace and Noades when we ground shared and being ripped off blind for several years is at the heart of it. If you know the history I won't dredge it up, but I will remind you by contrast that the time we spent at Upton Park has left most people with a feeling of gratitude towards West Ham. Yes they may be rivals but they resisted the temptation to milk us dry, therefore you won't ever see the animosity directed towards the Hammers that we Charlton fans feel towards Palace and Ron Noades.
Yes you are right that Charlton's problems were home grown, directors who ripped the club off and a chronic lack of ambition sent us into bankrutcy in 1982, and coming out of that with a ground sorely lacking in modern facilities postponed the inevitable. In those days Palace were arguably the senior club in South London, while we endured ground sharing, the sale of our best players and somehow avoided liquidation and only survived through a mix of luck and the fans refusing to let the club die.
When Palace fans look at us now with a united and solvent club, one that owns its ground and training ground facilities, that regularly attracts 22K in the CCC and have just come off a seven year run in the premiership, they must wonder where it all went wrong for them given their head start. Many footballing fans look at the effort that we fans put in to save and restore the club and respect us for that, but instead Palace fans seem to project onto us their envy as the club, who despite the odds got it right, while you endured the Noaders, Goldberg and now Jordan era - these people and others ripped and are ripping you off, yet you direct your ire away from the real problems facing your club towards us. If Charlton are now stronger it's for a reason, same as Palace being weak is for a reason.
You say Charlton's problems were homegrown, that might once have been true, but we overcame them, equally though I'd say that Palace's current problems are also homegrown, but, can you overcome these problems? Have your fans got what it takes to make a difference? I'm not so sure...
Matt, at least you came on here which is more than the other palace fans who signed up this week in anticipation of the orgasmic delight of celebrating a win over your local rivals. Dream on.
On the singing, sitting on the half way line I perhaps got a more balanced view. Palace did make some noise and were at points louder than Charlton but they were also quiet for long periods.
To mis-quote the old phrase "he who sings last sings loudest" and at the final whistle you had less than 500 bodies in the ground. Didn't hear a peep out of you then.
Excellent Post. It says it all.
Matt_Himself
Me thinks the Nigel doth protest too much.