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An honest question on Thatcher

edited May 2010 in Not Sports Related
I'm a bit too young to have experienced the Thatcher years with a political conscience, so I've often wondered...

Considering how reviled in this country Thatcherism is now, how was she able to win 3 general elections? And then be followed on by another conservative government for a total of 18 years?

Interested to hear from lifers who were there. Don't want this turn into a conservative-bashing exercise.
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  • well you shouldnt have asked if it you didnt want it to.. cant see this one lasting long.
  • She seems to be like marmite, you either loved her or hated her.

    Some very good things with her, some very bad, depending on who you were, where you were from etc.

    From what I can gather, there seems to be just as many working classes who like her as there are those who hate her (& my god some people do hate her with a passion!)

    Like you, bit too young to fully understand the extent of what she did, I gathered though that she made some tough decisions that were right for the country in the long term, but were very painful in the short term.
  • I thought this was about Ben Thatcher from the title ha
  • I was expecting "Would'ya?"
  • Thatcher had the Falklands war factor and the gung ho bit. Plus Labour was deemed un-electable due to its policies notably that on nuclear disarmament. John Smith died and he was a very very big loss for Labour. Michael Foot wore the wrong clothes to the Cenotaph and whilst having a very sharp brain and intellect, he didn't look like a Leader. In order to become electable, media celebrity Blair basically offered a more just society but in fact delivered a watered down Thatcherite agenda coutesy the 'champagne socialists' and called it New Labour.
  • Stole my milk the silly cow.
  • [cite]Posted By: Friend Or Defoe[/cite]Stole my milk the silly cow.

    Shouldn't that comment be in the cows thread!!
  • edited May 2010
    As for Thatcher well....what you saw is what you got...she wasn't slippery (well in general that is), love her or loath her she stuck to her word most of the time, which a few more at Westminster should take note of.
    She did some great things and she did some poor things....but always saw them through to the bitter end with single minded belief that she was in the right.
    I realise my comments are somewhat over simplification but for all that, if nothing else, as a politician anyway, she's to be admired.
  • Interest Rates at 14%, Miners Strike and first view of a modern Police Force in this country used as para military. Destruction of manufacturing base in the UK. Poll tax introduced with scenes of serious rioting in the streets. Civil unrest and riots in Toxteth and other parts of the country. Falklands war with the controversial sinking of General Belgrano. Period of unparralled greed in the city even by todays standards. Shoulder pads and the mullett haircut. In the end she was completely insane. Followed by an unelected prime minister in John Major. Happy days indeed. I hate Marmite.
  • Not a lot of people know this but if Labour had won the '83 election, they had already informed the Bank Of England that they would be reintroducing full blown exchange controls. (Abolished by Maggie in 1979.) The documents had been printed just in case. That's really scary and would have destroyed the economy. Foot is always said to have had a good brain but that demonstrates how far out of touch with reality the Labour Party was and why Maggie was easily re-electable. For those of you too young to remember exchange control regulations - you had to get your passport stamped with the amount of foreign currency you were buying and I think it was limited to £50 worth!!! For businesses it was evne more restrictive. It was the big issues like that and macro-economic reform that was actually appreciated by anyone who wasn't a communist or knitted their own yoghurt.
    Sure she's slagged off by low-rent left-wing comics. But that just saves them having to dream up something actually amusing. Blimey, I remember when Ben Elton was popular!
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  • [cite]Posted By: ShootersHillGuru[/cite]Interest Rates at 14%, Miners Strike and first view of a modern Police Force in this country used as para military. Destruction of manufacturing base in the UK. Poll tax introduced with scenes of serious rioting in the streets. Civil unrest and riots in Toxteth and other parts of the country. Falklands war with the controversial sinking of General Belgrano. Period of unparralled greed in the city even by todays standards. Shoulder pads and the mullett haircut. In the end she was completely insane. Followed by an unelected prime minister in John Major. Happy days indeed. I hate Marmite.

    F*** me was I alive during that time...you make it sound like the worst times ever in The UK....I remember only great times...whether that was down to her or not is debatable but I certainly had a good time and prospered well.
  • [cite]Posted By: SoundAsa£[/cite]
    [cite]Posted By: ShootersHillGuru[/cite]Interest Rates at 14%, Miners Strike and first view of a modern Police Force in this country used as para military. Destruction of manufacturing base in the UK. Poll tax introduced with scenes of serious rioting in the streets. Civil unrest and riots in Toxteth and other parts of the country. Falklands war with the controversial sinking of General Belgrano. Period of unparralled greed in the city even by todays standards. Shoulder pads and the mullett haircut. In the end she was completely insane. Followed by an unelected prime minister in John Major. Happy days indeed. I hate Marmite.

    F*** me was I alive during that time...you make it sound like the worst times ever in The UK....I remember only great times...whether that was down to her or not is debatable but I certainly had a good time and prospered well.

    Many prospered and I am glad you did well. Lots suffered badly.
  • The opposition were very weak and Thatcher did enough to keep the large English middle and upper classes happy financially (i.e poll tax, business and bankers). If you look at the voting maps around the time it was pretty much london poor areas labour, rich areas conservative rest of England conservative, Scotland and Wales labour/others. In London as the demographics of Boroughs and the working and middle classes have changed so has the voting patterns, but it's remained the almost the same everywhere else.

    Funny how Scotland never voted blue but had to put up with a conservative government for years and it wasn't a problem for the politicians or us English. Now it's us and the politicians effected by the system all of a sudden it's wrong and needs to be changed!
  • WSSWSS
    edited May 2010
    I have prospered well since 1997. Went to a great Grammar School, university, bought a house, got a decent job, able to go on holiday 2/3 times a year.

    Could I have done that as a 17/18/19/20/21 year old back in the 80's? I honestly don't know how much the government has affected my life.
  • It's the one thing that I always wonder about....the UK manufacturing sector.

    Yes, she appeared to crush that, tories sold it off etc. Just wondering though, could the UK actually stay efficient as the world developed?

    Compare the technology and efficiency to other places in the world, would the markets not have started to destroy the UK manufacturing industry anyway?
  • edited May 2010
    [quote][cite]Posted By: ShootersHillGuru[/cite][quote]Many prospered and I am glad you did well. Lots suffered badly.[/quote]

    And isn't that Thatcherism in a nutshell?
  • [cite]Posted By: WSS[/cite]I have prospered well since 1997. Went to a great Grammar School, university, bought a house, got a decent job, able to go on holiday 2/3 times a year.

    Could I have done that as a 17/18/19/20/21 year old back in the 80's? I don't know.

    I started Grammar school in 1995, messed Uni up a bit though, god knows how you managed to get a house, must've got in there just at the right time. I've been steady since 1997, not sure I have prospered greatly.

    In the 80's I would've been flying, but the recession in the early 90's could've really killed it as the construction industry suffered a lot worse then than it has now.
  • [cite]Posted By: Dave Rudd[/cite]
    [cite]Posted By: ShootersHillGuru[/cite]
    Many prospered and I am glad you did well. Lots suffered badly.

    And isn't that Thatcherism in a nutshell?

    Anyone else singing this in the style of Harry Hill?!
  • she managed to appeal to the man in the street, something Blaire also managed initially.
  • edited May 2010
    [cite]Posted By: ShootersHillGuru[/cite][cite]Posted By: SoundAsa£[/cite]
    [cite]Posted By: ShootersHillGuru[/cite]Interest Rates at 14%, Miners Strike and first view of a modern Police Force in this country used as para military. Destruction of manufacturing base in the UK. Poll tax introduced with scenes of serious rioting in the streets. Civil unrest and riots in Toxteth and other parts of the country. Falklands war with the controversial sinking of General Belgrano. Period of unparralled greed in the city even by todays standards. Shoulder pads and the mullett haircut. In the end she was completely insane. Followed by an unelected prime minister in John Major. Happy days indeed. I hate Marmite.

    F*** me was I alive during that time...you make it sound like the worst times ever in The UK....I remember only great times...whether that was down to her or not is debatable but I certainly had a good time and prospered well. Many prospered and I'm glad you did well.Lots suffered badly.

    No one I knew suffered that's for sure, how about you, ...yes the miners did(and some in spin off industries surrounding that) but that simply was an industry that had to largely go to the wall, they were so heavily subsidised and technology had moved on, times change but thank god she broke the strangulation of trade uninon fundamentalism....the country was stiffled by them, I lived through those horrendous times and they were so out of touch as to be behind the Iron Curtain. Which quite frankly is where many of them wished the nation was.
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  • Mining's not manufacturing though is it?
    It's digging stuff out of the ground...

    Britain is still the 5th largest manufacturer in the world despite all the guff you hear about Thatcher destroyed our manufacturing industry blah, blah, blah...
  • She won election because of working class short term greed. She offered them coincil houses on the cheap which they could sell off later at a big profit, she offered them shares in the utility compaanies at a discount and so sell them off later at a big profit, they came to believe in her line that there is no such thing as society/community it was to be the devil takes the hind most. Then add to this a labour party in the midst of a 10 year internal ideaological war and she had no oppositiom worth mentioning.
    That is how it is done.
  • Living in London and the South East gives us a very blinkered opinion of what goes on in those areas of the country that cannot rely on the City of London and all its spin offs. Huge areas of the north and midlands were layed waste by Mrs Thathers policies and her spiteful attitude towards anyone not able to look after themselves.
  • She had pretty ankles.

    I believe she made people believe that renting property was beneath them. Many people were proud to own and proud of their council houses. People got a flat and then with age and family, progressed to a house. Now the very notion of not being able to afford to buy a house is seen as a bad, bad thing. How many of our us, or our parents/grand parents lived in Council accomodation and now we cry foul that we can not afford to get on the housing ladder and have to stay with parents or god forbid rent somewhere affordable.
  • Maggie took away the free lunch for the lazy twats in our society and made them work for it for a change...
  • be prepared to see a repeat of some more of that bad stuff very shortly with Cameron Thatcher lite..
  • [cite]Posted By: RedZed333[/cite]Maggie took away the free lunch for the lazy twats in our society and made them work for it for a change...

    Interesting. Explain.
  • edited May 2010
    [cite]Posted By: RalphMilnesgut[/cite]
    [cite]Posted By: RedZed333[/cite]Maggie took away the free lunch for the lazy twats in our society and made them work for it for a change...

    Interesting. Explain.
    For a start she completely revamped the Supplementary Benefit system that had people hopelessly dependent on state handouts...

    Thousands of 'spongers' were hounded off the dole to get a taste of what for many of them had become a four letter word....

    WORK...!!!

    She took on and completely defeated the unions with one handbag behind her back thus neutering the Labour party as a viable opposition...
  • edited May 2010
    you're forgetting her wanting to introduce compulsory ID cards for football fans.
  • [cite]Posted By: RedZed333[/cite]
    [cite]Posted By: RalphMilnesgut[/cite]
    [cite]Posted By: RedZed333[/cite]Maggie took away the free lunch for the lazy twats in our society and made them work for it for a change...

    Interesting. Explain.
    For a start she completely revamped the Supplementary Benefit system that had people hopelessly dependent on state handouts...

    Thousands of 'spongers' were hounded off the dole to get a taste of what for many of them had become a four letter word....

    WORK...!!!

    She took on and completely defeated the unions with one handbag behind her back thus neutering the Labour party as a viable opposition...

    Would that be the 3,000,000 unemployed you are talking about? Most on the dole because of her policies mentioned by other posters.
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