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Michael Jackson , this is it
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I've never had any doubt Michael Jackson was a wrong un, but some people will always refuse to believe it cause he was a megastar who did some alright songs.
Watch the whole documentary again, but imagine it's about some random plumber and not 1 person would have any doubt he was a predatory paedophile.
Sad really
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I remember Latoya accusing their father of abuse, from memory just for being overly pushy and violent if they didn't do as he said, but the rest of the children denied it and closed ranks. She was always a loan voice.0
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I'm sure one of the guys did mention it in a documentary/interview. May have even been Michael.cfgs said:I remember Latoya accusing their father of abuse, from memory just for being overly pushy and violent if they didn't do as he said, but the rest of the children denied it and closed ranks. She was always a loan voice.0 -
Absolutely incredible that this was just brushed aside.oohaahmortimer said:
Dirty nonce, the ground is the best place for him. Good riddance.1 -
LaToya has since denied Michaels guilt but who knows why. She seemed pretty adamant in that interview. Perhaps even she has her price to toe the family line. There is still a very big MJ gravy train even after his death. I doubt many people want to derail that.0
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Apparently his record sales have gone up.0
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Best case scenario, he abused young innocent boys.
Worst case scenario, he molested young innocent boys.
How anyone can defend even the best case scenario here is quite frankly, beyond me.8 -
I don’t think the whole ‘if he was a builder/Carpenter/postman then nobody would be defending him’ argument is entirely compatible.
The truth is - he was none of those things. And the reason he was as strange as he was, is because he didn’t have a ‘normal’ job or relationship with the world. We’re talking about possibly the most famous pop star of all time.
If if he didn’t have the job/fame that he had, then he probably would still be alive, he would never have ended up looking the way he did etc.
The fact that he openly spoke about what he was doing in that Martin Bashir documentary is what makes me stop short of suggesting that this is a ‘regular’ case of someone who could be a paedophile, the way it might be in other situations.0 -
No matter what, I doubt we'll ever know. I don't believe he did it.
In the end, you'll still be singing or enjoying his songs when they come on over any set of speakers whilst you're out. That's the only FACT.0 -
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Never have and never will. So not a FACT at all.5
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Behave. His songs will be banned just like Glitters, both are kiddie fiddling nonces, of that there is no question.cafc-4-life said:No matter what, I doubt we'll ever know. I don't believe he did it.
In the end, you'll still be singing or enjoying his songs when they come on over any set of speakers whilst you're out. That's the only FACT.11 -
I bet you have after a few drinks, maybe a small foot tap or blown on dance. ;-) haAlgarveaddick said:Never have and never will. So not a FACT at all.2 -
I think he probably did it, just don't know for sure. People can and do lie.0
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Don't believe he did what? Abused young innocent boys? He's on record admitting it, that's a fact.cafc-4-life said:No matter what, I doubt we'll ever know. I don't believe he did it.
In the end, you'll still be singing or enjoying his songs when they come on over any set of speakers whilst you're out. That's the only FACT.
Can't say I've ever enjoyed his music at all.0 -
cafc-4-life said:
I bet you have after a few drinks, maybe a small foot tap or blown on dance. ;-) haAlgarveaddick said:Never have and never will. So not a FACT at all.
He did but just blamed it on the boogie1 -
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=9yTTEwBLfUQ
If anyone has a spare half hour here is a fairly compelling rebuttal. (Part one is worth watching too) be warned it has a fair smattering of swearing in it.0 -
His own sister saying he's a paedo is pretty condemning.MuttleyCAFC said:I think he probably did it, just don't know for sure. People can and do lie.2 -
He spoke openly in the Bashir documentary because his tactics had already been outed and he could play the ‘man-child’ routine.cafctom said:I don’t think the whole ‘if he was a builder/Carpenter/postman then nobody would be defending him’ argument is entirely compatible.
The truth is - he was none of those things. And the reason he was as strange as he was, is because he didn’t have a ‘normal’ job or relationship with the world. We’re talking about possibly the most famous pop star of all time.
If if he didn’t have the job/fame that he had, then he probably would still be alive, he would never have ended up looking the way he did etc.
The fact that he openly spoke about what he was doing in that Martin Bashir documentary is what makes me stop short of suggesting that this is a ‘regular’ case of someone who could be a paedophile, the way it might be in other situations.
He had wrongen porn in his room, he had cameras to see if people were coming, he’d spend up to 30 days in the company of children, sometimes 5 whole days in the same room and his own sister openly spoke about what he was up too.
He used his position of wealth and trust to basically groom these kids. He knew exactly what he was doing.7 -
Must have been staff members and hangers on who knew and presumably because the pay and perks decided to keep Schtum. Says a lot about people when they can turn a blind eye to child sex abuse. I hope they rot.0
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I wonder why his doctor killed him?0
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I don't recall seeing or hearing anything where he openly admitted it. What troubles me is the court case he settled.Stu_of_Kunming said:
Don't believe he did what? Abused young innocent boys? He's on record admitting it, that's a fact.cafc-4-life said:No matter what, I doubt we'll ever know. I don't believe he did it.
In the end, you'll still be singing or enjoying his songs when they come on over any set of speakers whilst you're out. That's the only FACT.
Can't say I've ever enjoyed his music at all.1 -
You never heard him admitting to sharing his bed with young boys? That's abuse, plain and simple。MuttleyCAFC said:
I don't recall seeing or hearing anything where he openly admitted it. What troubles me is the court case he settled.Stu_of_Kunming said:
Don't believe he did what? Abused young innocent boys? He's on record admitting it, that's a fact.cafc-4-life said:No matter what, I doubt we'll ever know. I don't believe he did it.
In the end, you'll still be singing or enjoying his songs when they come on over any set of speakers whilst you're out. That's the only FACT.
Can't say I've ever enjoyed his music at all.2 -
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Yeah, I do move my foot when I hear one of his songs, but that's me pretending I'm standing on his windpipecafc-4-life said:
I bet you have after a few drinks, maybe a small foot tap or blown on dance. ;-) haAlgarveaddick said:Never have and never will. So not a FACT at all.8 -
i agree it is abnormal behaviour and provides the opportunity for abuse. But there is a big difference between sharing his bed and doing nothing, and sharing his bed and doing something. It is incredible that parents allowed this to happen. I can't be certain what went on in his bed, but it isn't something I feel comfortable justifying either.Stu_of_Kunming said:
You never heard him admitting to sharing his bed with young boys? That's abuse, plain and simple。MuttleyCAFC said:
I don't recall seeing or hearing anything where he openly admitted it. What troubles me is the court case he settled.Stu_of_Kunming said:
Don't believe he did what? Abused young innocent boys? He's on record admitting it, that's a fact.cafc-4-life said:No matter what, I doubt we'll ever know. I don't believe he did it.
In the end, you'll still be singing or enjoying his songs when they come on over any set of speakers whilst you're out. That's the only FACT.
Can't say I've ever enjoyed his music at all.0 -
Sharing a bed with a non family member is a form of abuse, no matter what else happens.MuttleyCAFC said:
i agree it is abnormal behaviour and provides the opportunity for abuse. But there is a big difference between sharing his bed and doing nothing, and sharing his bed and doing something. It is incredible that parents allowed this to happen. I can't be certain what went on in his bed, but it isn't something I feel comfortable justifying either,Stu_of_Kunming said:
You never heard him admitting to sharing his bed with young boys? That's abuse, plain and simple。MuttleyCAFC said:
I don't recall seeing or hearing anything where he openly admitted it. What troubles me is the court case he settled.Stu_of_Kunming said:
Don't believe he did what? Abused young innocent boys? He's on record admitting it, that's a fact.cafc-4-life said:No matter what, I doubt we'll ever know. I don't believe he did it.
In the end, you'll still be singing or enjoying his songs when they come on over any set of speakers whilst you're out. That's the only FACT.
Can't say I've ever enjoyed his music at all.1 -
Oh come on, it is still mental abuse at the absolute minimum. They will never forget it and it could influence their future life.MuttleyCAFC said:
i agree it is abnormal behaviour and provides the opportunity for abuse. But there is a big difference between sharing his bed and doing nothing, and sharing his bed and doing something. It is incredible that parents allowed this to happen. I can't be certain what went on in his bed, but it isn't something I feel comfortable justifying either.Stu_of_Kunming said:
You never heard him admitting to sharing his bed with young boys? That's abuse, plain and simple。MuttleyCAFC said:
I don't recall seeing or hearing anything where he openly admitted it. What troubles me is the court case he settled.Stu_of_Kunming said:
Don't believe he did what? Abused young innocent boys? He's on record admitting it, that's a fact.cafc-4-life said:No matter what, I doubt we'll ever know. I don't believe he did it.
In the end, you'll still be singing or enjoying his songs when they come on over any set of speakers whilst you're out. That's the only FACT.
Can't say I've ever enjoyed his music at all.3 -
It is not behaviour I would be happy with, but there is a big difference, even though I agree it is wrong, from doing that and what he is being accused of. You can't just lump it all in together.1
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It IS abuse even if not physical ... how can you call it anything else?MuttleyCAFC said:It is not behaviour I would be happy with, but there is a big difference, even though I agree it is wrong, from doing that and what he is being accused of. You can't just lump it all in together.2
