We live in London not Helsinki, we don't get snow that often - it would be spendthrift to splash millions on being super-prepared for a couple of snowy days per year .... none some years.
[cite]Posted By: Rothko[/cite]You don't have to give an address anymore to get a Oyster card, you can get from vending machines at Victoria now
How would you get a refund for a lost, damaged, malfunctioning or stolen Oystercard? Presumably you couldn't which would be a big gamble.
Up to the person who buys the card, you're given the option, and if you choose not to take it, then it's your gamble, if it's damaged or malfunctioning, they'll replace it, if you don't register it, then you take a risk with lose or theft, but you can't remove all risk, from all situations
[cite]Posted By: Salad Spinner[/cite]We live in London not Helsinki, we don't get snow that often - it would be spendthrift to splash millions on being super-prepared for a couple of snowy days per year .... none some years.
agree. why people moan about the frikkin' snow creating problems, when day in day out we have to stand up on late running trains with no reason. we're not in canada. i'd rather my money went to sort out our trains on a normal day rather than pay money for something that will be used once a year if that
at least the snow is an excuse. bring on the snow and all you moany people shut up. i hope its pretty again like last time!
how about we investigate how to stop the trains heaters blowing out ridiculous temperatures when the train gets to about london bridge when the train is packed with people. i have felt v light headed the last 2 days. someone was taken ill on an earlier train and i swear it was probably because of the heat and the conditions on the train. which then causes delays.
Greenwich is a nightmare, and I've little sympathy for anyone who adds to the traffic problems around my way.
BUT this idea looks like it's come from the back of a fag packet, and would just push the problem elsewhere.
If you accept the idea that charging is a good idea, then it should be across a wider area (say, something that covers all roads through Greenwich, Blackheath, Lee and Lewisham) than just one little, cramped corner of London.
(Of course, a massive investment in the trains/buses is the real answer, but hell will freeze over before that happens.)
[cite]Posted By: Salad Spinner[/cite]I am in favour, but would also be in favour of just allowing buses on Romney Road (ie. road in front of Nat Maritime)
So where would you send the rest of the traffic? Blackheath Hill is packed with traffic as well. So is Lee High Road and Loampit Vale/Lewisham Way.
That said, I'd ban cars from Greenwich town centre on Sundays.
Firstly wheres the traffic going to go? Through the Blackwall? North bound its a 2 lane Victorian built tunnel originally designed for the horse and cart ! The queues are huge as it is. On the trains? They cant cope at rush hour as it is....
Secondly yes Oyster is a good deal but the travel costs in London even with Oyster are extortionate! You can get a whole days travel in Madrid, Berlin and Paris for the same price as a single Oyster journey on the Tube.
This has NOTHING to do with traffic calming and everything to do with revenue building. Hence why Uncle Ken has to change the phasing on traffic lights just before the congestion charge is due to come into an area to and then back again once its been brought in.
Stinging car drivers is easy because the most of us have grown to become reliant on the car and know that we just cant trust the public transport system.
If he didn't piss so much money away on jolly ups to see his communist mates in Central America then he might be able to do something to make public transport a workable option.
A jolly-up to see communist mates in central America costs £100,000, which I think is the going-rate for a single double-decker bus.
Question: Would anyone here accept, say, an extra £60/year (or £5/month) on their council tax to specifically pay for radical public transport improvements? No political motive behind this, but the money's got to come from somewhere.
Yes I would Insp but not if Red Ken was let anywhere near the planning. He'd just end up spending the money on anti tank missiles to blow up any cars that got within 200 yards of London
[cite]Posted By: CharltonDan[/cite]Yes I would Insp but not if Red Ken was let anywhere near the planning. He'd just end up spending the money on anti tank missiles to blow up any cars that got within 200 yards of London
How about Crossrail to Woolwich, Abbey Wood, Dartford and Ebbsfleet? How about the money is going on that, or Waterfront Transit? what about that.
I think that's the plan with the money, the tanks are little hard to get
[cite]Posted By: CharltonDan[/cite]Yes I would Insp but not if Red Ken was let anywhere near the planning. He'd just end up spending the money on anti tank missiles to blow up any cars that got within 200 yards of London
How about Crossrail to Woolwich, Abbey Wood, Dartford and Ebbsfleet? How about the money is going on that, or Waterfront Transit? what about that.
I think that's the plan with the money, the tanks are little hard to get
Thats gonna be really handy if you live in Blackheath, Lee, Hither Green.......
[cite]Posted By: CharltonDan[/cite]Yes I would Insp but not if Red Ken was let anywhere near the planning. He'd just end up spending the money on anti tank missiles to blow up any cars that got within 200 yards of London
How about Crossrail to Woolwich, Abbey Wood, Dartford and Ebbsfleet? How about the money is going on that, or Waterfront Transit? what about that.
I think that's the plan with the money, the tanks are little hard to get
You can't please all the people all the time
Thats gonna be really handy if you live in Blackheath, Lee, Hither Green.......
[cite]Posted By: Southendaddick[/cite]I would think most people would pay that extra money Inspector but just dont think that money wouldn't be spent in the right way, red tape etc...
And thats not just in London and applies to all political parties.
Exactly - sad that it's got to that state, really. Apsiring politicians, take note.
[cite]Posted By: suzisausage[/cite]same as the apparent request for more standing room and less toilets on south easten trains! hence why they brought in their new trains.
i wasnt asked. i don't agree.
You need a loo on a 15/20 journey? Don't see Tube trains with them?
i dont, (les always does!) but i was never asked if i did or didn't, thats my point.
and i would like a seat in the morning if possible. not "more standing room" or those weird "leaning" seats where one is a complete waste of time unless you want to intertwine your legs with some random stranger.
Network Rail said train lines in Kent and Sussex were most vulnerable to snow and ice because they take their power from the rails rather than overhead lines. news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6338151.stm
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Up to the person who buys the card, you're given the option, and if you choose not to take it, then it's your gamble, if it's damaged or malfunctioning, they'll replace it, if you don't register it, then you take a risk with lose or theft, but you can't remove all risk, from all situations
agree. why people moan about the frikkin' snow creating problems, when day in day out we have to stand up on late running trains with no reason. we're not in canada. i'd rather my money went to sort out our trains on a normal day rather than pay money for something that will be used once a year if that
at least the snow is an excuse. bring on the snow and all you moany people shut up. i hope its pretty again like last time!
how about we investigate how to stop the trains heaters blowing out ridiculous temperatures when the train gets to about london bridge when the train is packed with people. i have felt v light headed the last 2 days. someone was taken ill on an earlier train and i swear it was probably because of the heat and the conditions on the train. which then causes delays.
BUT this idea looks like it's come from the back of a fag packet, and would just push the problem elsewhere.
If you accept the idea that charging is a good idea, then it should be across a wider area (say, something that covers all roads through Greenwich, Blackheath, Lee and Lewisham) than just one little, cramped corner of London.
(Of course, a massive investment in the trains/buses is the real answer, but hell will freeze over before that happens.)
So where would you send the rest of the traffic? Blackheath Hill is packed with traffic as well. So is Lee High Road and Loampit Vale/Lewisham Way.
That said, I'd ban cars from Greenwich town centre on Sundays.
Secondly yes Oyster is a good deal but the travel costs in London even with Oyster are extortionate! You can get a whole days travel in Madrid, Berlin and Paris for the same price as a single Oyster journey on the Tube.
This has NOTHING to do with traffic calming and everything to do with revenue building. Hence why Uncle Ken has to change the phasing on traffic lights just before the congestion charge is due to come into an area to and then back again once its been brought in.
Stinging car drivers is easy because the most of us have grown to become reliant on the car and know that we just cant trust the public transport system.
If he didn't piss so much money away on jolly ups to see his communist mates in Central America then he might be able to do something to make public transport a workable option.
Question: Would anyone here accept, say, an extra £60/year (or £5/month) on their council tax to specifically pay for radical public transport improvements? No political motive behind this, but the money's got to come from somewhere.
How about Crossrail to Woolwich, Abbey Wood, Dartford and Ebbsfleet? How about the money is going on that, or Waterfront Transit? what about that.
I think that's the plan with the money, the tanks are little hard to get
Thats gonna be really handy if you live in Blackheath, Lee, Hither Green.......
Last time I checked Dartford was in Kent??
And thats not just in London and applies to all political parties.
*sits on fence as political argument about to kick off*
Good point, I'll stop Crossrail at Slade Green
Exactly - sad that it's got to that state, really. Apsiring politicians, take note.
Lets face it. The bloke is an idiot and presses ahead with congestion charging despite the "public consultation" saying they didn't want it.
Whats the odds he does the same with the SE charge? Consults Green Peace and Friends of the Earth but not local businesses, residents committees etc
i wasnt asked. i don't agree.
You need a loo on a 15/20 journey? Don't see Tube trains with them?
and i would like a seat in the morning if possible. not "more standing room" or those weird "leaning" seats where one is a complete waste of time unless you want to intertwine your legs with some random stranger.
thats my first and lasat train post.
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