Yes,his acquisition of Simonsen was one of the biggest ego trips (perhaps the biggest) in our history, another being his buying the club in the first place. It was his company's name , Marman, that used to adorn the old West Stand. Last heard of heading up the Limpopo river looking for a missing boatload of rubber !
Yes, seeing him play for us was the only good thing to happen at that time, a great player but the hoped for crowds didn't turn up and the deal drove us towards bankruptcy.
He was without doubt the worst thing that ever happened to our club. Full of swank,wank, false promises, false companies, hidden debts and trying to spend beyond his own means, the banks means and CAFC means. Correct if I am wrong but Hulyer started us on the slippery slope with separating the club from the Valley in his deals with Glikstein which eventually led us to bankruptcy and no Valley. I hate the man for what he done but i don't wish him ill but he is NOT on my Christmas card list and if i knew his address I would send him a bouncing cheque for the fun of it. Take that !!!!
Not quite right: it was Gliksten who wanted to sell the club but keep the ground. He (Gliksten) then later said he wanted part of the Valley to use for his timber business. Both events were the start of the whole sorry mess.
He was without doubt the worst thing that ever happened to our club. Full of swank,wank, false promises, false companies, hidden debts and trying to spend beyond his own means, the banks means and CAFC means. Correct if I am wrong but Hulyer started us on the slippery slope with separating the club from the Valley in his deals with Glikstein which eventually led us to bankruptcy and no Valley. I hate the man for what he done but i don't wish him ill but he is NOT on my Christmas card list and if i knew his address I would send him a bouncing cheque for the fun of it. Take that !!!!
I think it was Gliksten who separated the club from the ground, selling the club to Hulyer but retaining the ground, I wonder why he did that...
Took a huge gamble that Simenson would increase our crowds so much that the deal would be viable. Didnt happen and he ended up trying to persuade a High Court judge to suspend a winding up order on the basis that he was expecting a boat load of rubber to arrive.
Heart in the right place, head not unfortunately. Didnt he bring a nigerian tribal chief onto the board?
A great great player of immense talent, unfortunately he was thinking about 5 minutes ahead of the rest of the team. Hulyer actually tried to sign Keegan from Southampton but I believe that he had already agreed to sign for the geordies & wouldn't listen to our offer.
Personally I was always pleased to have got the chance to see Simo play rather than Keegan altho admittedly Keegan would have brought us more attention & sponsorship & possibly more of a work ethic to the team.
March51 it wasn't just the Simo signing that pushed us towards bankruptancy. Don't forget we signed Carl Harris from Leeds, Terry Bullivant from Villa & was it Phil Walker from Leicester (sure he had moved from smallwall at that point?) & I'm sure only a down payment was made & we simply defaulted on the instalments because Hulyer had no money & yes our future lay upon the shipload of rubber & the African Prince ........who had no money either from memory.
Bad days yes Gibbons but now just another part of the rich tapestry of life supporting Charlton.......come on what other clubs future has hung on tracing a boatload of rubber. You've got to laugh .......or is it just me ?
Heard he was looking at teaming up with Risdale to form a company that specialises in saving clubs on the brink of liquidation, rape them of all their assets and walk away leaving the fans to try to rebuild from scratch.
The main reason why we were in a financial mess in the 80s was around 30-40 years of chronic under-investment in the club and asset stripping by the Gliksten's. Hulyer inherited an accident waiting to happen and made sure that it did.
Heard he was looking at teaming up with Risdale to form a company that specialises in saving clubs on the brink of liquidation, rape them of all their assets and walk away leaving the fans to try to rebuild from scratch.
Bit unfair Tango, he was/is a lifelong fan who had little sense or money when it came to owning a football club. Dark days indeed but rather than walk away he crawled. His business ruined & reputuation in tatters. In hindsite he should never have got involved & he may have ruined the club but intentionally rape them of their assets no.
He was without doubt the worst thing that ever happened to our club. Full of swank,wank, false promises, false companies, hidden debts and trying to spend beyond his own means, the banks means and CAFC means. Correct if I am wrong but Hulyer started us on the slippery slope with separating the club from the Valley in his deals with Glikstein which eventually led us to bankruptcy and no Valley. I hate the man for what he done but i don't wish him ill but he is NOT on my Christmas card list and if i knew his address I would send him a bouncing cheque for the fun of it. Take that !!!!
I think it was Gliksten who separated the club from the ground, selling the club to Hulyer but retaining the ground, I wonder why he did that...
I think Michael Gliksten's motivation was a bit more complicated than that. If he had wanted simply to develop the land he had his opportunity when Charlton walked out in 1985 and whatever position the council had taken on that it would have been up to a planning inspector to decide. When he was persuaded that Martin Simons et al were not in the business of using The Valley for property development he sold it back to the club for a fair price. He did not want to sell it to Sunley's for reasons that should be obvious.
As for Mark Hulyer, he didn't have the money to buy the land and agreed a rent that he couldn't meet.
From what I understand, during the Michael Glickstein years was frustrating because we was producing players and selling them but not having the money to invest in the squad. Billy Bonds should of been a legend for us and not West Ham as an example.
As for Mark Hulyer, he sounds like Peter Ridsdale. Spent money we did not have, I would imagine watching Alan Simonson in a Charlton shirt was brilliant but if we signed Messi or Ronaldo today I would be worried more than excited.
As for Mark Hulyer, he sounds like Peter Ridsdale. Spent money we did not have, I would imagine watching Alan Simonson in a Charlton shirt was brilliant but if we signed Messi or Ronaldo today I would be worried more than excited.
I don't think that anybody gave it a thought in those days. As others have mentioned the Gliksteins by & large failed to invest & the monies that we were receiving for the likes of Marvin Hinton, Mike Bailey, Billy Bonds, Lenny Glover, Alan Campbell & on & on, simply paid the bills & kept the club running. I think that everyone was delighted to see the back of the Gliksteins (although later Michael became an easy scapegoat for fryer & his sunley mob) & to have a young & supposedly rich Charlton fan come in & sign some well know quality players (lol or so we thought !) & then sign a european footballer of the year from Barcelona was just incredible. Most of us were probably star struck as well as being bloody naive.
As for Mark Hulyer, he sounds like Peter Ridsdale. Spent money we did not have, I would imagine watching Alan Simonson in a Charlton shirt was brilliant but if we signed Messi or Ronaldo today I would be worried more than excited.
I don't think that anybody gave it a thought in those days. As others have mentioned the Gliksteins by & large failed to invest & the monies that we were receiving for the likes of Marvin Hinton, Mike Bailey, Billy Bonds, Lenny Glover, Alan Campbell & on & on, simply paid the bills & kept the club running. I think that everyone was delighted to see the back of the Gliksteins (although later Michael became an easy scapegoat for fryer & his sunley mob) & to have a young & supposedly rich Charlton fan come in & sign some well know quality players (lol or so we thought !) & then sign a european footballer of the year from Barcelona was just incredible. Most of us were probably star struck as well as being bloody naive.
Lol, but what I did not understand was how comes the attendence figures were the same as before after Alan Simonson came to us? I would of thought that would have brought back some of the fans. My dad stopped going when he heard Alan Campbell left because he was fed up with us becoming a selling club all the time.
I am so glad I am young enough to miss those bad times.
As for Mark Hulyer, he sounds like Peter Ridsdale. Spent money we did not have, I would imagine watching Alan Simonson in a Charlton shirt was brilliant but if we signed Messi or Ronaldo today I would be worried more than excited.
I don't think that anybody gave it a thought in those days. As others have mentioned the Gliksteins by & large failed to invest & the monies that we were receiving for the likes of Marvin Hinton, Mike Bailey, Billy Bonds, Lenny Glover, Alan Campbell & on & on, simply paid the bills & kept the club running. I think that everyone was delighted to see the back of the Gliksteins (although later Michael became an easy scapegoat for fryer & his sunley mob) & to have a young & supposedly rich Charlton fan come in & sign some well know quality players (lol or so we thought !) & then sign a european footballer of the year from Barcelona was just incredible. Most of us were probably star struck as well as being bloody naive.
Lol, but what I did not understand was how comes the attendence figures were the same as before after Alan Simonson came to us? I would of thought that would have brought back some of the fans. My dad stopped going when he heard Alan Campbell left because he was fed up with us becoming a selling club all the time.
I am so glad I am young enough to miss those bad times.
Alan Campbell was the last of those that I mentioned & that would of been 70 or 71 I think so quite a gap before signing Simo. Attendances did pick up in his first couple of games but I think most people realised that as good as Simo was he couldn't turn 6 or 7 (& I'm probably underestimating) poor players into good. Hulyer couldn't con any more clubs into "selling" (giving) us players & so we were left with a poor team but with almost a "ringer" smuggled into the mix. A genius ringer tho'. Think that he almost went to the spuds as he came to the end of his short spell with us but in the end went home to play for his local club.
I do you mug, otherwise I wouldn't post it....I had asked for a reason. I met a nephew of Richard Collins yesterday, and he asked me what happened to Mark Hulyer. I thought I would post and ask. So to you and others who want to post comments like that, DO ONE !!!!
Is 66 this year. Doesn't appear to be a company director anywhere and has been involved with a few dissolved companies.
Anyone know how he is and what is he up to?
His health is better than it was , put it that way , lives locally still and occasionally goes to watch the Darts . Not been the Valley for a while now
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Correct if I am wrong but Hulyer started us on the slippery slope with separating the club from the Valley in his deals with Glikstein which eventually led us to bankruptcy and no Valley.
I hate the man for what he done but i don't wish him ill but he is NOT on my Christmas card list and if i knew his address I would send him a bouncing cheque for the fun of it. Take that !!!!
I think it was Gliksten who separated the club from the ground, selling the club to Hulyer but retaining the ground, I wonder why he did that...
Heart in the right place, head not unfortunately. Didnt he bring a nigerian tribal chief onto the board?
A great great player of immense talent, unfortunately he was thinking about 5 minutes ahead of the rest of the team. Hulyer actually tried to sign Keegan from Southampton but I believe that he had already agreed to sign for the geordies & wouldn't listen to our offer.
Personally I was always pleased to have got the chance to see Simo play rather than Keegan altho admittedly Keegan would have brought us more attention & sponsorship & possibly more of a work ethic to the team.
March51 it wasn't just the Simo signing that pushed us towards bankruptancy. Don't forget we signed Carl Harris from Leeds, Terry Bullivant from Villa & was it Phil Walker from Leicester (sure he had moved from smallwall at that point?) & I'm sure only a down payment was made & we simply defaulted on the instalments because Hulyer had no money & yes our future lay upon the shipload of rubber & the African Prince ........who had no money either from memory.
Bad days yes Gibbons but now just another part of the rich tapestry of life supporting Charlton.......come on what other clubs future has hung on tracing a boatload of rubber. You've got to laugh .......or is it just me ?
Sorry, I should have said 'helped' drive us..........It was indeed a privilege to see Simmo in the red and white.
Sorry March didn't mean to sound pedantic, just that there were a lot of reasons why we found ourselves on the brink
Bit unfair Tango, he was/is a lifelong fan who had little sense or money when it came to owning a football club. Dark days indeed but rather than walk away he crawled. His business ruined & reputuation in tatters. In hindsite he should never have got involved & he may have ruined the club but intentionally rape them of their assets no.
Really bad times.
I think Michael Gliksten's motivation was a bit more complicated than that. If he had wanted simply to develop the land he had his opportunity when Charlton walked out in 1985 and whatever position the council had taken on that it would have been up to a planning inspector to decide. When he was persuaded that Martin Simons et al were not in the business of using The Valley for property development he sold it back to the club for a fair price. He did not want to sell it to Sunley's for reasons that should be obvious.
As for Mark Hulyer, he didn't have the money to buy the land and agreed a rent that he couldn't meet.
As for Mark Hulyer, he sounds like Peter Ridsdale. Spent money we did not have, I would imagine watching Alan Simonson in a Charlton shirt was brilliant but if we signed Messi or Ronaldo today I would be worried more than excited.
As for Mark Hulyer, he sounds like Peter Ridsdale. Spent money we did not have, I would imagine watching Alan Simonson in a Charlton shirt was brilliant but if we signed Messi or Ronaldo today I would be worried more than excited.
I don't think that anybody gave it a thought in those days. As others have mentioned the Gliksteins by & large failed to invest & the monies that we were receiving for the likes of Marvin Hinton, Mike Bailey, Billy Bonds, Lenny Glover, Alan Campbell & on & on, simply paid the bills & kept the club running. I think that everyone was delighted to see the back of the Gliksteins (although later Michael became an easy scapegoat for fryer & his sunley mob) & to have a young & supposedly rich Charlton fan come in & sign some well know quality players (lol or so we thought !) & then sign a european footballer of the year from Barcelona was just incredible. Most of us were probably star struck as well as being bloody naive.I am so glad I am young enough to miss those bad times.
His health is better than it was , put it that way , lives locally still and occasionally goes to watch the Darts . Not been the Valley for a while now