Rhoys Wiggins
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I try not to have favourites because it affects your judgement, but Yann and Wiggins were to be honest in that League 1 winning team.
IF Wiggins could stay fit and played in a 3-5-2 as a wing back, he could be as good as Simon Francis has been at Bournemouth.
In the real world of modern football, how many injuries and games can Rhoys miss and not become a financial liability?
We will have the same issue to face with Stephen Henderson, if at the end of this season he has too many more injuries.
It Has nothing to do with how good they are ?
Because both Rhoys and Stephen are 2 of the best players to have worn the shirt in recent years, when they have been 100% fit.7 -
'Do you absolutely have to play in Sheffield?'soapboxsam said:
Can we clear a few points up here?Dazzler21 said:Rhoys wasn't injury prone at that age... #justsaying
The injury Rhoys got against Palace early in our first season back in the champ,
WAS not his first problem.
That was when he ruptured his knee ligaments as an 18 year old back in 2006
when as a Palace player on a pre season tour in the USA.
I heard this from Rhoys himself ,and it's on Wiki.
Because they rated him, Warnock gave him a new contract but Wiggins lost about a year after that injury.
The Irony is the move to Sheffield has broken down over personal terms and not
the myriad of different injury issues.
'Yes Rhoys, we do'.
'Right. Bye then'.4 -
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I do think the fact that Fox is an academy product is leading to some getting a stronger perception of his ability/potential. For me he isn't much better than someone like Borrowdale or Seaborne who were never given the same leniency being incoming loanees. A 70% fit Rhoys Wiggins is as good as a fully fit Morgan Fox for me. I think he is worth keeping.3
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Morgan Fox getting favourable treatment??? I never thought I'd see the day!8
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Come off it. Fox no better than Borrowdale or bloody Seaborne?? Borrowdale played for us during our lowest ebb in League One and Seaborne had without a doubt one of the worst performances by a Charlton player while we were in the Championship. Fox on the other hand had a slow start while he was acclimatising to first team football but by the end he was in very good form, kept Wiggins out of the team and had a few assists to his name (including one against Millwall when we had 10 men). Not much better than Gary Borrowdale? Stop.cafctom said:I do think the fact that Fox is an academy product is leading to some getting a stronger perception of his ability/potential. For me he isn't much better than someone like Borrowdale or Seaborne who were never given the same leniency being incoming loanees. A 70% fit Rhoys Wiggins is as good as a fully fit Morgan Fox for me. I think he is worth keeping.
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Is he any better than Grant Bassey?cafctom said:I do think the fact that Fox is an academy product is leading to some getting a stronger perception of his ability/potential. For me he isn't much better than someone like Borrowdale or Seaborne who were never given the same leniency being incoming loanees. A 70% fit Rhoys Wiggins is as good as a fully fit Morgan Fox for me. I think he is worth keeping.
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Yes but so are youbuckshee said:
Is he any better than Grant Bassey?cafctom said:I do think the fact that Fox is an academy product is leading to some getting a stronger perception of his ability/potential. For me he isn't much better than someone like Borrowdale or Seaborne who were never given the same leniency being incoming loanees. A 70% fit Rhoys Wiggins is as good as a fully fit Morgan Fox for me. I think he is worth keeping.
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Ha ha, so we have a better remuneration package than the massives ;-)soapboxsam said:...The Irony is the move to Sheffield has broken down over personal terms and not
the myriad of different injury issues.0 -
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Fox was a bit of a liability when he first cam into the team which was understandable but he is a youngster. Over time he developed into a defender where there was a point where you started to think Wiggins might have a job getting back in the team if he is not at his very best, then further where you can make a case for Fox even if Wiggins is right. The case is that he is better defensively. He hasn't got Wiggins' pace and attacking flare, but he can play a very good ball and I think he will develop this further. So Wiggins runs at them, Fox overlaps or provides the ball before the run. I think it is realistic to assume he will get even better, but he is not a concern for me when he starts - which was the case when he first came into the team.7
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That's madness. Seaborne was the biggest waste of space ever to wear a red shirt, whilst Borrowdale made such an impact that I remember him in name only. Fox may not be the greatest left back in the league, but he is a decent member of our team.cafctom said:I do think the fact that Fox is an academy product is leading to some getting a stronger perception of his ability/potential. For me he isn't much better than someone like Borrowdale or Seaborne who were never given the same leniency being incoming loanees. A 70% fit Rhoys Wiggins is as good as a fully fit Morgan Fox for me. I think he is worth keeping.
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Fox will be the new Church
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Problem is Fox is ok, is ok good enough for w full season?
When fit Wiggins is better, problem is when is he next going to be fit.....
Right now it seems the answer to who we can use at Lb is clear, it has to be Fox. Even if I don't think he's good enough.
Bergdich is another option but it remains to be seen if he's a good option at LB0 -
Jamie Stuart was absolutely awful. Paul Sturgess was only a slight improvement.Southendaddick said:I love Rhoys and he is literally 20 times the player Fox is
Sorry but late on this thread but I happen to think fox is a poor mans Paul Sturgess and a poorer mans Jamie Stuart
Im not the biggest fan of Fox, but no way can you compare him with those 2. He is a much better player and will get a lot better imo.
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Jamie Stuart scored an absolute screamer at The Valley, can't remember who against though (Stoke?) and it doesn't add anything to the debate.0
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What a daft thing to say. A 70% fit player is as good a fully fit player. Dear me.cafctom said:I do think the fact that Fox is an academy product is leading to some getting a stronger perception of his ability/potential. For me he isn't much better than someone like Borrowdale or Seaborne who were never given the same leniency being incoming loanees. A 70% fit Rhoys Wiggins is as good as a fully fit Morgan Fox for me. I think he is worth keeping.
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Shirley's brother played for Charlton ?buckshee said:
Is he any better than Grant Bassey?cafctom said:I do think the fact that Fox is an academy product is leading to some getting a stronger perception of his ability/potential. For me he isn't much better than someone like Borrowdale or Seaborne who were never given the same leniency being incoming loanees. A 70% fit Rhoys Wiggins is as good as a fully fit Morgan Fox for me. I think he is worth keeping.
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I don't know what the problem is regarding Wiggins but I'm not too fussed about him, this is based on the injuries he's had that has hampered his progress.1
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Lol...you mean; 'based on what you've read on here'operationpig said:I don't know what the problem is regarding Wiggins but I'm not too fussed about him, this is based on the injuries he's had that has hampered his progress.
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Fox is better than Borrowdale, but Borrowdale was not a bad player for us at all. It's disrespectful not to recognise that he was a solid player for us during that period.0
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Romour has it he failed his medical on purpose because he's on such a good deal at charlton he doesn't wanna lose it,JJ words2
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Why would he not just say "I don't want to move to that shit tip, ill stick with the contract I have, thanks"smiffyboy said:Romour has it he failed his medical on purpose because he's on such a good deal at charlton he doesn't wanna lose it,JJ words
No one can make him move, unless he wants to.5 -
Even if these were JJ's words, it's Johnnie Jackson. You know, Jackson? The one who sent a photo around of the back if Dyer, saying we were signing Heskey?smiffyboy said:Romour has it he failed his medical on purpose because he's on such a good deal at charlton he doesn't wanna lose it,JJ words
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It may have nothing to do with failing a medical. Its just as likely that he doesnt want to move because he is on such a long deal at Charlton. If the massives have only offered him a 1 or 2 year deal (which is likely) on similar wages then he may be reluctant to move because he has close to 4 years to run on his Charlton contract which obviously gives him better financial security.
If the above is the case then I guess it depends how much he wants to play. He can either sit it out at Charlton and be guaranteed good money for 4 years (but possibly feature very little and end up being loaned out etc) or go to a Weds and be in contention for their starting 11 (& Wales if he gets regular games) but probably have to earn another contract in 1/2 years time.
I.E. the delay could just be Wiggins agent trying to increase the length of the Weds offer or Wiggins taking time to decide on the guaranteed money vs 1st team football matter above.1 -
But - IF (and it's a big if) we can get Rhoys fit again, he would at least be a very strong challenger for a starting position. I really rate and like him as a player and I would be very happy if he stays with us and fights his way back in.6
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Only what someone who knows JJ that works at the club told me last night. Don't shoot the messenger.0
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Funny enough I saw JJ in the pub yesterday afternoon, he also said Rhoys is more then likely going to stay now. Didn't really ask him too many questions as he had his family with him and was about to sit down and order food.1
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No doubt Wiggins will be sold this afternoon now0
