Attention seeking, over rated, over paid, over weight old bag. The day she stops bleating about the abuse she supposedly suffered as a child won't be a day too soon. Plenty of kids have abusive childhoods, think yourself lucky you have the money and fame to help you cope with it a lot better than most are able to. Appalling apology for a woman.
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Well, she does have a nice pair of bristol's, I'll give you that.
Personally not a fan of Emin or her work, but fair play 3blokes at least you went and made your mind up after seeing it. What I can't stand is people deciding they don't like a particularly genre of art without seeing anything in person but have made their mind up after reading a rag like the sun.
It's a bit like writing off a whole genre of music or cinema without ever listening or watching it.
^^^agreed I think Tom Stoppard said that when you have skill without creativity you have craftmanship and when you have creativity but no skill you have modern art. Emin bucks the trend by having neither. I like a lot of modern art but think she's taking the P
She is an incredibly brave woman in that she literally exposes every aspect of herself to a public that she knows will respond in a variety of ways, including, as can be seen all too often above, ways which are hostile and unpleasant. I am not a fan of most of her 'confessional' art, but I very much admire her bravery. She refuses to conform to the 'slab of meat' construct of women that spills out of the porn mags and she viscerally challenges that male perception of women. Long may she continue to do so.
She is an incredibly brave woman in that she literally exposes every aspect of herself to a public that she knows will respond in a variety of ways, including, as can be seen all too often above, ways which are hostile and unpleasant. I am not a fan of most of her 'confessional' art, but I very much admire her bravery. She refuses to conform to the 'slab of meat' construct of women that spills out of the porn mags and she viscerally challenges that male perception of women. Long may she continue to do so.
She is an incredibly brave woman in that she literally exposes every aspect of herself to a public that she knows will respond in a variety of ways, including, as can be seen all too often above, ways which are hostile and unpleasant. I am not a fan of most of her 'confessional' art, but I very much admire her bravery. She refuses to conform to the 'slab of meat' construct of women that spills out of the porn mags and she viscerally challenges that male perception of women. Long may she continue to do so.
Interesting so it would make me brave because I make my life the exhibit, and I open myself to public ridicule as I write indisputably vague and simplistic comments about my love life on a canvas frame them and put them in a gallery and make a fortune somewhere in the process. My question was not about her right as a woman to explore her art and her self expression, and indeed to make money from it, it was how can what she has produced as an artist in that gallery be seriously regarded as anything other than a load of self indulgent twonk? How does a branch on a mattress become art?
She is an incredibly brave woman in that she literally exposes every aspect of herself to a public that she knows will respond in a variety of ways, including, as can be seen all too often above, ways which are hostile and unpleasant. I am not a fan of most of her 'confessional' art, but I very much admire her bravery. She refuses to conform to the 'slab of meat' construct of women that spills out of the porn mags and she viscerally challenges that male perception of women. Long may she continue to do so.
Interesting so it would make me brave because I make my life the exhibit, and I open myself to public ridicule as I write indisputably vague and simplistic comments about my love life on a canvas frame them and put them in a gallery and make a fortune somewhere in the process. My question was not about her right as a woman to explore her art and her self expression, and indeed to make money from it, it was how can what she has produced as an artist in that gallery be seriously regarded as anything other than a load of self indulgent twonk? How does a branch on a mattress become art?
Some of the best music in life is 'self obsessive twonk' ... if you cant draw inspiration from life experiences, where should people get it from ?
It's something I wouldn't do and yes, I do think it takes a certain kind of courage to knowingly put yourself up for ridicule and hostility. But you are really asking that question so beloved of Arts foundation courses namely what is art? The Greeks painting pottery didn't have concepts of art as we understand art today, so is their painting art or not? Caravaggio wasn't regarded as an artist in his time, is his work art today? After the Renaissance, art became institutionalised and many artists have struggled to break free from these confines, most notably the Dada movement. I don't really have a working definition of art anymore, I just go to exhibitions, some knock my breath away, some I find disappointing. As long as it makes me think and wonder, that's all I want, so for me, it is totally irrelevant whether or not Emin's work is 'art' or not.
I understand that, but I actually said self indulgent. Writing a great 3 minute song about your love life going awry is surely better than writing something like " I can't love you" in blue paint and sticking it in a frame. I like ideas Shine and I like off the wall stuff but I thought what I saw was not art and I am trying to find a clear explanation as to why it might be.
She would probably claim that the reactions of people on here prove her art is thought provoking and worthy of discussion - best thing is to ignore it and leave it to those fools who can see something in it. If she makes good money out of them, good luck to her.
Fair enough stilladdicted :-) I guess my problem is that I just see blue painted words on a canvas in a frame in a gallery and I am completely underwhelmed by what I see. It does generate discussion and debate, but for me that still does not justify and legitimize calling a branch on a mattress an exhibit or a piece of art whatever that is. Each to his own inevitably. :-)
I have yet to visit the exhibition and will reserve judgement until then. Altnough I'm not a lover of conceptual art and struggle with a pile of poo on a stick etc, I do like some of Emin's paintings/drawings.
Can I start by saying that I don't know very much about art so in that respect I suppose I am representative of a large section of society. I used to be of the opinion that all modern art was self indulgent, in the main talentless rubbish. About twenty years ago I visited the Salvadore Dali Museum in Figueres in Spain. I came out thinking that the man was a genius. His art was clever, thought provoking and quirky but underpinning that was the talent of a genuine conventional artist that could produce works of fine art and did so in his early days but departed from that to produce the works that he is renowned for. In Tracy Emin I see the quirky, sometimes clever and self indulgence but what I am unaware of is the raw talented artist underpinning the platform of her current portfolio. Perhaps I'm wrong in thinking that she needs to have that conventional artist within before she can be taken seriously but then I did say I don't know much about art.
If beauty is in the eye of the beholder, then so is art.
This... people question both the art I make and collect, my simple reaction is I see art like women... everyone has different taste and nobody is right or wrong. Not everything has to have a pretentious meaning either, sometimes it is just about the emotions evoked by sharing space with a work. .. for me the Hirst show at the Tate is a perfect example of that.
I've been to this 'exhibition'. Utter drivel. Emin - The modern day equivalent of The Emperors new Clothes. Punk Artist, really? Shite artist moore like.
I've been to this 'exhibition'. Utter drivel. Emin - The modern day equivalent of The Emperors new Clothes. Punk Artist, really? Shite artist moore like.
Bit harsh fella? I could equally say you are too stupid to see something in it, but I wouldn't, because it is all about opinion, no one is right or wrong.
I Went to the exhibition and the artwork is about her personal experiences and emotioanl states,the drawings which are good are based around the theme of love and sex and are supposed to evoke eroticism. The mattress with the bronze branch could be a reminder of her youth but can also be anything you want. I Think she has moved on and i thought it was okay, i didn't go to pre judge.
I Went to the exhibition and the artwork is about her personal experiences and emotioanl states,the drawings which are good are based around the theme of love and sex and are supposed to evoke eroticism. The mattress with the bronze branch could be a reminder of her youth but can also be anything you want. I Think she has moved on and i thought it was okay, i didn't go to pre judge.
That seems a fair and reasoned assessment, Badger.
That's fair enough Badger you went and that is what it did for you. My only point on what you've said is if I placed a sofa in a gallery and put a silver plated banana on it, is that equally as valid as Tracey's work? As in you can discuss it and it can be anything you want? I am really not trying to be facetious on this, I am just trying to understand what the value of it is.
Today with 'conceptual art', it seems that the composition alone is considered sufficient in itself.
Of course, vision and creativity is required in creating a composition .....but to my mind that is only the first part - a bit like Rubens or Rembrandt arranging his nude model and not bothering to actually paint her.
That's fair enough Badger you went and that is what it did for you. My only point on what you've said is if I placed a sofa in a gallery and put a silver plated banana on it, is that equally as valid as Tracey's work? As in you can discuss it and it can be anything you want? I am really not trying to be facetious on this, I am just trying to understand what the value of it is.
I feel the value is wether the artwork, or the concept behind the artwork creates some sort of change in the way you look at or perceive the world around you. A very skilfully painted picture is often quite easily forgotten, yet some images, installations, sculptures stay with us or get us to look at things or ourselves differently. I remember a very cynical guy I was doing gardening for talked about going to the tate modern feeling scathing about what he was seeing, then he spent a while looking at a piece of work by Rothko a huge blue canvas and ended up in emotional tears.
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Attention seeking, over rated, over paid, over weight old bag. The day she stops bleating about the abuse she supposedly suffered as a child won't be a day too soon. Plenty of kids have abusive childhoods, think yourself lucky you have the money and fame to help you cope with it a lot better than most are able to. Appalling apology for a woman.
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Well, she does have a nice pair of bristol's, I'll give you that.
It's a bit like writing off a whole genre of music or cinema without ever listening or watching it.
http://forum.charltonlife.com/discussion/47651
My question was not about her right as a woman to explore her art and her self expression, and indeed to make money from it, it was how can what she has produced as an artist in that gallery be seriously regarded as anything other than a load of self indulgent twonk? How does a branch on a mattress become art?
Some of the best music in life is 'self obsessive twonk' ... if you cant draw inspiration from life experiences, where should people get it from ?
Writing a great 3 minute song about your love life going awry is surely better than writing something like " I can't love you" in blue paint and sticking it in a frame.
I like ideas Shine and I like off the wall stuff but I thought what I saw was not art and I am trying to find a clear explanation as to why it might be.
I guess my problem is that I just see blue painted words on a canvas in a frame in a gallery and I am completely underwhelmed by what I see.
It does generate discussion and debate, but for me that still does not justify and legitimize calling a branch on a mattress an exhibit or a piece of art whatever that is.
Each to his own inevitably. :-)
Art has to appeal one way or another to your emotions, so if it gets a reaction from you the viewer (or you, the actual artist), it's done the job.
Apart from some of her line drawings and sketches, Tracy Emin's work doesn't generally appeal to me personally.
IMO most of her art goes on inside her head - and it seems to me that the principle 'medium' she uses, is your emotional reaction.
Anyway, that's my tuppence worth of pretentious bollox.
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This... people question both the art I make and collect, my simple reaction is I see art like women... everyone has different taste and nobody is right or wrong. Not everything has to have a pretentious meaning either, sometimes it is just about the emotions evoked by sharing space with a work. .. for me the Hirst show at the Tate is a perfect example of that.
You'll be saying next all music and all literature is bollocks too!
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The mattress with the bronze branch could be a reminder of her youth but can also be anything you want.
I Think she has moved on and i thought it was okay, i didn't go to pre judge.
That seems a fair and reasoned assessment, Badger.
My only point on what you've said is if I placed a sofa in a gallery and put a silver plated banana on it, is that equally as valid as Tracey's work? As in you can discuss it and it can be anything you want?
I am really not trying to be facetious on this, I am just trying to understand what the value of it is.
Of course, vision and creativity is required in creating a composition .....but to my mind that is only the first part - a bit like Rubens or Rembrandt arranging his nude model and not bothering to actually paint her.
But each to their own.