It's not a competition. @sam3110 dealt with it how he felt comfortably. Glad he shared the story without jazzing it up to make himself look proper 'ard too.
At 66 i've no need to jazz things up to make myself look proper 'ard but i am probably a lot more street wise than Sam.
The moment the youth engaged Sam about his phone it was obvious what was coming. Sam should have gathered his belongings, got off at the next stop or at least himself near the door and the alarm button.
Unfortunately travelling at any time alone on public transport is now risky and a bit of thought should go into how you go about things.
To put a bit of meat on the bones, he walked past me on the train as I was texting my wife i'd be home soon, and doubled back after a minute or so. I was sitting in a "4" on a SE train (you know what I mean" and he sat diagonally opposite me. Baring in mind the train is mostly empty my spideysenses tingled immediately so I tucked my phone away in my inside pocket of my coat.
"Eyy what phone you got bruv? Lemme see your phone, yeah?"
"Just some Android. Why, you looking for advice?"
"Nah fam I see your phone yeah and I think I like it"
"I can tell you the make and model and what deal I got from EE if you want"
"Nah but the thing is, yeah, I want YOUR phone"
"Ok cool so here's the deal, you're what, 13 years old?"
"14 bruv"
Ok cool so 14, and you think I'm gonna give you my phone cos you asked for it"
"Nah see I'm telling you"
"And I'm telling you, no"
At this point he grabs my rucksack opposite me on my chair and starts going through it, all it has in it is a notebook, some pens, my half eaten lunch and a water bottle
"This is pathetic fam, what do you call this?"
As he's pulling out some random things
"My lunch"
He throws a half eaten sandwich on the floor
"So you ain't gonna let me see your phone fam"
"No I don't think so, fam"
He looks around a couple of times, realises we're pulling into a station, drops my bag on the seat and gets up, says "I'll be seeing you soon yeah" and gets off the train, and as we pull away I watch him jump the barrier and head off away from the station.
Pretty surreal tbh, and something that I can pretty vividly remember
Sounds like you got away with one there. Could have easily pulled a knife on you.
To put a bit of meat on the bones, he walked past me on the train as I was texting my wife i'd be home soon, and doubled back after a minute or so. I was sitting in a "4" on a SE train (you know what I mean" and he sat diagonally opposite me. Baring in mind the train is mostly empty my spideysenses tingled immediately so I tucked my phone away in my inside pocket of my coat.
"Eyy what phone you got bruv? Lemme see your phone, yeah?"
"Just some Android. Why, you looking for advice?"
"Nah fam I see your phone yeah and I think I like it"
"I can tell you the make and model and what deal I got from EE if you want"
"Nah but the thing is, yeah, I want YOUR phone"
"Ok cool so here's the deal, you're what, 13 years old?"
"14 bruv"
Ok cool so 14, and you think I'm gonna give you my phone cos you asked for it"
"Nah see I'm telling you"
"And I'm telling you, no"
At this point he grabs my rucksack opposite me on my chair and starts going through it, all it has in it is a notebook, some pens, my half eaten lunch and a water bottle
"This is pathetic fam, what do you call this?"
As he's pulling out some random things
"My lunch"
He throws a half eaten sandwich on the floor
"So you ain't gonna let me see your phone fam"
"No I don't think so, fam"
He looks around a couple of times, realises we're pulling into a station, drops my bag on the seat and gets up, says "I'll be seeing you soon yeah" and gets off the train, and as we pull away I watch him jump the barrier and head off away from the station.
Pretty surreal tbh, and something that I can pretty vividly remember
To put a bit of meat on the bones, he walked past me on the train as I was texting my wife i'd be home soon, and doubled back after a minute or so. I was sitting in a "4" on a SE train (you know what I mean" and he sat diagonally opposite me. Baring in mind the train is mostly empty my spideysenses tingled immediately so I tucked my phone away in my inside pocket of my coat.
"Eyy what phone you got bruv? Lemme see your phone, yeah?"
"Just some Android. Why, you looking for advice?"
"Nah fam I see your phone yeah and I think I like it"
"I can tell you the make and model and what deal I got from EE if you want"
"Nah but the thing is, yeah, I want YOUR phone"
"Ok cool so here's the deal, you're what, 13 years old?"
"14 bruv"
Ok cool so 14, and you think I'm gonna give you my phone cos you asked for it"
"Nah see I'm telling you"
"And I'm telling you, no"
At this point he grabs my rucksack opposite me on my chair and starts going through it, all it has in it is a notebook, some pens, my half eaten lunch and a water bottle
"This is pathetic fam, what do you call this?"
As he's pulling out some random things
"My lunch"
He throws a half eaten sandwich on the floor
"So you ain't gonna let me see your phone fam"
"No I don't think so, fam"
He looks around a couple of times, realises we're pulling into a station, drops my bag on the seat and gets up, says "I'll be seeing you soon yeah" and gets off the train, and as we pull away I watch him jump the barrier and head off away from the station.
Pretty surreal tbh, and something that I can pretty vividly remember
To put a bit of meat on the bones, he walked past me on the train as I was texting my wife i'd be home soon, and doubled back after a minute or so. I was sitting in a "4" on a SE train (you know what I mean" and he sat diagonally opposite me. Baring in mind the train is mostly empty my spideysenses tingled immediately so I tucked my phone away in my inside pocket of my coat.
"Eyy what phone you got bruv? Lemme see your phone, yeah?"
"Just some Android. Why, you looking for advice?"
"Nah fam I see your phone yeah and I think I like it"
"I can tell you the make and model and what deal I got from EE if you want"
"Nah but the thing is, yeah, I want YOUR phone"
"Ok cool so here's the deal, you're what, 13 years old?"
"14 bruv"
Ok cool so 14, and you think I'm gonna give you my phone cos you asked for it"
"Nah see I'm telling you"
"And I'm telling you, no"
At this point he grabs my rucksack opposite me on my chair and starts going through it, all it has in it is a notebook, some pens, my half eaten lunch and a water bottle
"This is pathetic fam, what do you call this?"
As he's pulling out some random things
"My lunch"
He throws a half eaten sandwich on the floor
"So you ain't gonna let me see your phone fam"
"No I don't think so, fam"
He looks around a couple of times, realises we're pulling into a station, drops my bag on the seat and gets up, says "I'll be seeing you soon yeah" and gets off the train, and as we pull away I watch him jump the barrier and head off away from the station.
Pretty surreal tbh, and something that I can pretty vividly remember
Sorry but,
he would have been told to fuck off and the minute he touched my bag he would have been going through the carriage with my boot up his arse.
trouble is that could be after he'd stuck a knife in you .. situations need to be VERY carefully assessed before any action is taken .. not cowardice, just sensible
To put a bit of meat on the bones, he walked past me on the train as I was texting my wife i'd be home soon, and doubled back after a minute or so. I was sitting in a "4" on a SE train (you know what I mean" and he sat diagonally opposite me. Baring in mind the train is mostly empty my spideysenses tingled immediately so I tucked my phone away in my inside pocket of my coat.
"Eyy what phone you got bruv? Lemme see your phone, yeah?"
"Just some Android. Why, you looking for advice?"
"Nah fam I see your phone yeah and I think I like it"
"I can tell you the make and model and what deal I got from EE if you want"
"Nah but the thing is, yeah, I want YOUR phone"
"Ok cool so here's the deal, you're what, 13 years old?"
"14 bruv"
Ok cool so 14, and you think I'm gonna give you my phone cos you asked for it"
"Nah see I'm telling you"
"And I'm telling you, no"
At this point he grabs my rucksack opposite me on my chair and starts going through it, all it has in it is a notebook, some pens, my half eaten lunch and a water bottle
"This is pathetic fam, what do you call this?"
As he's pulling out some random things
"My lunch"
He throws a half eaten sandwich on the floor
"So you ain't gonna let me see your phone fam"
"No I don't think so, fam"
He looks around a couple of times, realises we're pulling into a station, drops my bag on the seat and gets up, says "I'll be seeing you soon yeah" and gets off the train, and as we pull away I watch him jump the barrier and head off away from the station.
Pretty surreal tbh, and something that I can pretty vividly remember
Sorry but,
he would have been told to fuck off and the minute he touched my bag he would have been going through the carriage with my boot up his arse.
trouble is that could be after he'd stuck a knife in you .. situations need to be VERY carefully assessed before any action is taken .. not cowardice, just sensible
To put a bit of meat on the bones, he walked past me on the train as I was texting my wife i'd be home soon, and doubled back after a minute or so. I was sitting in a "4" on a SE train (you know what I mean" and he sat diagonally opposite me. Baring in mind the train is mostly empty my spideysenses tingled immediately so I tucked my phone away in my inside pocket of my coat.
"Eyy what phone you got bruv? Lemme see your phone, yeah?"
"Just some Android. Why, you looking for advice?"
"Nah fam I see your phone yeah and I think I like it"
"I can tell you the make and model and what deal I got from EE if you want"
"Nah but the thing is, yeah, I want YOUR phone"
"Ok cool so here's the deal, you're what, 13 years old?"
"14 bruv"
Ok cool so 14, and you think I'm gonna give you my phone cos you asked for it"
"Nah see I'm telling you"
"And I'm telling you, no"
At this point he grabs my rucksack opposite me on my chair and starts going through it, all it has in it is a notebook, some pens, my half eaten lunch and a water bottle
"This is pathetic fam, what do you call this?"
As he's pulling out some random things
"My lunch"
He throws a half eaten sandwich on the floor
"So you ain't gonna let me see your phone fam"
"No I don't think so, fam"
He looks around a couple of times, realises we're pulling into a station, drops my bag on the seat and gets up, says "I'll be seeing you soon yeah" and gets off the train, and as we pull away I watch him jump the barrier and head off away from the station.
Pretty surreal tbh, and something that I can pretty vividly remember
Sorry but,
he would have been told to fuck off and the minute he touched my bag he would have been going through the carriage with my boot up his arse.
Is it really worth the risk of arrest and a criminal record for assaulting a minor?
Most of don’t know how we’d react until we find ourselves in these situations. In fact, Sam may even react differently faced by the same situation again. I think he handled it well.
To put a bit of meat on the bones, he walked past me on the train as I was texting my wife i'd be home soon, and doubled back after a minute or so. I was sitting in a "4" on a SE train (you know what I mean" and he sat diagonally opposite me. Baring in mind the train is mostly empty my spideysenses tingled immediately so I tucked my phone away in my inside pocket of my coat.
"Eyy what phone you got bruv? Lemme see your phone, yeah?"
"Just some Android. Why, you looking for advice?"
"Nah fam I see your phone yeah and I think I like it"
"I can tell you the make and model and what deal I got from EE if you want"
"Nah but the thing is, yeah, I want YOUR phone"
"Ok cool so here's the deal, you're what, 13 years old?"
"14 bruv"
Ok cool so 14, and you think I'm gonna give you my phone cos you asked for it"
"Nah see I'm telling you"
"And I'm telling you, no"
At this point he grabs my rucksack opposite me on my chair and starts going through it, all it has in it is a notebook, some pens, my half eaten lunch and a water bottle
"This is pathetic fam, what do you call this?"
As he's pulling out some random things
"My lunch"
He throws a half eaten sandwich on the floor
"So you ain't gonna let me see your phone fam"
"No I don't think so, fam"
He looks around a couple of times, realises we're pulling into a station, drops my bag on the seat and gets up, says "I'll be seeing you soon yeah" and gets off the train, and as we pull away I watch him jump the barrier and head off away from the station.
Pretty surreal tbh, and something that I can pretty vividly remember
Sorry but,
he would have been told to fuck off and the minute he touched my bag he would have been going through the carriage with my boot up his arse.
Lol ok mate.
Classic conflict resolution, I maintained an even tone, held eye contact, didn't react to his provocations, talked to him in a calm, but firm voice and kept open body language.
To put a bit of meat on the bones, he walked past me on the train as I was texting my wife i'd be home soon, and doubled back after a minute or so. I was sitting in a "4" on a SE train (you know what I mean" and he sat diagonally opposite me. Baring in mind the train is mostly empty my spideysenses tingled immediately so I tucked my phone away in my inside pocket of my coat.
"Eyy what phone you got bruv? Lemme see your phone, yeah?"
"Just some Android. Why, you looking for advice?"
"Nah fam I see your phone yeah and I think I like it"
"I can tell you the make and model and what deal I got from EE if you want"
"Nah but the thing is, yeah, I want YOUR phone"
"Ok cool so here's the deal, you're what, 13 years old?"
"14 bruv"
Ok cool so 14, and you think I'm gonna give you my phone cos you asked for it"
"Nah see I'm telling you"
"And I'm telling you, no"
At this point he grabs my rucksack opposite me on my chair and starts going through it, all it has in it is a notebook, some pens, my half eaten lunch and a water bottle
"This is pathetic fam, what do you call this?"
As he's pulling out some random things
"My lunch"
He throws a half eaten sandwich on the floor
"So you ain't gonna let me see your phone fam"
"No I don't think so, fam"
He looks around a couple of times, realises we're pulling into a station, drops my bag on the seat and gets up, says "I'll be seeing you soon yeah" and gets off the train, and as we pull away I watch him jump the barrier and head off away from the station.
Pretty surreal tbh, and something that I can pretty vividly remember
Sorry but,
he would have been told to fuck off and the minute he touched my bag he would have been going through the carriage with my boot up his arse.
Lol ok mate.
Classic conflict resolution, I maintained an even tone, held eye contact, didn't react to his provocations, talked to him in a calm, but firm voice and kept open body language.
Nope, no point, they can't catch actual criminals when they're right in front of their faces, no chance they'll do anything about some yoof in all black skipping train fares and asking what phone you have
It's not a competition. @sam3110 dealt with it how he felt comfortably. Glad he shared the story without jazzing it up to make himself look proper 'ard too.
Good point what IF he had pulled a knife out could of got nasty.
To me it seems that he was just trying to intimidate him. Showing you aren't afraid is probably why he jumped off at the next stop. Chances of him having a knife and intending to use it to steal a phone on a train filled with CCTV is pretty slim.
To me it seems that he was just trying to intimidate him. Showing you aren't afraid is probably why he jumped off at the next stop. Chances of him having a knife and intending to use it to steal a phone on a train filled with CCTV is pretty slim.
To put a bit of meat on the bones, he walked past me on the train as I was texting my wife i'd be home soon, and doubled back after a minute or so. I was sitting in a "4" on a SE train (you know what I mean" and he sat diagonally opposite me. Baring in mind the train is mostly empty my spideysenses tingled immediately so I tucked my phone away in my inside pocket of my coat.
"Eyy what phone you got bruv? Lemme see your phone, yeah?"
"Just some Android. Why, you looking for advice?"
"Nah fam I see your phone yeah and I think I like it"
"I can tell you the make and model and what deal I got from EE if you want"
"Nah but the thing is, yeah, I want YOUR phone"
"Ok cool so here's the deal, you're what, 13 years old?"
"14 bruv"
Ok cool so 14, and you think I'm gonna give you my phone cos you asked for it"
"Nah see I'm telling you"
"And I'm telling you, no"
At this point he grabs my rucksack opposite me on my chair and starts going through it, all it has in it is a notebook, some pens, my half eaten lunch and a water bottle
"This is pathetic fam, what do you call this?"
As he's pulling out some random things
"My lunch"
He throws a half eaten sandwich on the floor
"So you ain't gonna let me see your phone fam"
"No I don't think so, fam"
He looks around a couple of times, realises we're pulling into a station, drops my bag on the seat and gets up, says "I'll be seeing you soon yeah" and gets off the train, and as we pull away I watch him jump the barrier and head off away from the station.
Pretty surreal tbh, and something that I can pretty vividly remember
Sorry but,
he would have been told to fuck off and the minute he touched my bag he would have been going through the carriage with my boot up his arse.
Funny how the people who weren’t there always say stuff like this, but the people it happens to never do. That’s because people love chatting a big game but ultimately people die in these situations so chances are you’d do exactly the same as he did.
To put a bit of meat on the bones, he walked past me on the train as I was texting my wife i'd be home soon, and doubled back after a minute or so. I was sitting in a "4" on a SE train (you know what I mean" and he sat diagonally opposite me. Baring in mind the train is mostly empty my spideysenses tingled immediately so I tucked my phone away in my inside pocket of my coat.
"Eyy what phone you got bruv? Lemme see your phone, yeah?"
"Just some Android. Why, you looking for advice?"
"Nah fam I see your phone yeah and I think I like it"
"I can tell you the make and model and what deal I got from EE if you want"
"Nah but the thing is, yeah, I want YOUR phone"
"Ok cool so here's the deal, you're what, 13 years old?"
"14 bruv"
Ok cool so 14, and you think I'm gonna give you my phone cos you asked for it"
"Nah see I'm telling you"
"And I'm telling you, no"
At this point he grabs my rucksack opposite me on my chair and starts going through it, all it has in it is a notebook, some pens, my half eaten lunch and a water bottle
"This is pathetic fam, what do you call this?"
As he's pulling out some random things
"My lunch"
He throws a half eaten sandwich on the floor
"So you ain't gonna let me see your phone fam"
"No I don't think so, fam"
He looks around a couple of times, realises we're pulling into a station, drops my bag on the seat and gets up, says "I'll be seeing you soon yeah" and gets off the train, and as we pull away I watch him jump the barrier and head off away from the station.
Pretty surreal tbh, and something that I can pretty vividly remember
Sorry but,
he would have been told to fuck off and the minute he touched my bag he would have been going through the carriage with my boot up his arse.
Funny how the people who weren’t there always say stuff like this, but the people it happens to never do. That’s because people love chatting a big game but ultimately people die in these situations so chances are you’d do exactly the same as he did.
Absolutely no telling, so no reason to judge each other. When i was burgled i was in guilt and shock for 3 or 4 days. All the things i could have done/ should have done but actually i did the right thing (which was nothing) but it took days to realise that.
A change in the law could be helpful and may come one day where adults are allowed or even required to intervene in certain public situations where under 16s are involved in anti-social or threatening behaviour. Then it might be ok to show some pre-emptive aggression like in the situation Sam found himself.
Actions demand consequences. All the time youths or adults for that matter don’t suffer the consequences commensurate with their actions things will continue to get worse. At this point I think the consequences need a significant review.
I Remember watching a programme about shop lifters a few years back , security guard chased a fella down the road who had nicked a bottle of booze , wrestled him to floor causing the bottle to break this punctured a artery in the the shoplifter and he died , security found himself in court charged with his death , thankfully he didnt go down for it but i bet that experience will stay with him .
To put a bit of meat on the bones, he walked past me on the train as I was texting my wife i'd be home soon, and doubled back after a minute or so. I was sitting in a "4" on a SE train (you know what I mean" and he sat diagonally opposite me. Baring in mind the train is mostly empty my spideysenses tingled immediately so I tucked my phone away in my inside pocket of my coat.
"Eyy what phone you got bruv? Lemme see your phone, yeah?"
"Just some Android. Why, you looking for advice?"
"Nah fam I see your phone yeah and I think I like it"
"I can tell you the make and model and what deal I got from EE if you want"
"Nah but the thing is, yeah, I want YOUR phone"
"Ok cool so here's the deal, you're what, 13 years old?"
"14 bruv"
Ok cool so 14, and you think I'm gonna give you my phone cos you asked for it"
"Nah see I'm telling you"
"And I'm telling you, no"
At this point he grabs my rucksack opposite me on my chair and starts going through it, all it has in it is a notebook, some pens, my half eaten lunch and a water bottle
"This is pathetic fam, what do you call this?"
As he's pulling out some random things
"My lunch"
He throws a half eaten sandwich on the floor
"So you ain't gonna let me see your phone fam"
"No I don't think so, fam"
He looks around a couple of times, realises we're pulling into a station, drops my bag on the seat and gets up, says "I'll be seeing you soon yeah" and gets off the train, and as we pull away I watch him jump the barrier and head off away from the station.
Pretty surreal tbh, and something that I can pretty vividly remember
Sorry but,
he would have been told to fuck off and the minute he touched my bag he would have been going through the carriage with my boot up his arse.
Funny how the people who weren’t there always say stuff like this, but the people it happens to never do. That’s because people love chatting a big game but ultimately people die in these situations so chances are you’d do exactly the same as he did.
My parents always told me to hand over my phone in Sam's situation. A phone can be replaced. However I'm not sure if I would take that advice on board if I find myself in that situation. Depends on the fam trying it on I guess.
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Family. Slang.
Of course.
Classic conflict resolution, I maintained an even tone, held eye contact, didn't react to his provocations, talked to him in a calm, but firm voice and kept open body language.
More street wise, my arse
my mum always told me to share nicely with my brother - maybe that approach would have avoided such unpleasantness.
Fair enough. Did you report it to the Police?
- Beaten the lad up yourself you said
- Advised Sam to have pressed the train alarm
- Reported this to the police
I doubt it.
When i was burgled i was in guilt and shock for 3 or 4 days. All the things i could have done/ should have done but actually i did the right thing (which was nothing) but it took days to realise that.
A change in the law could be helpful and may come one day where adults are allowed or even required to intervene in certain public situations where under 16s are involved in anti-social or threatening behaviour. Then it might be ok to show some pre-emptive aggression like in the situation Sam found himself.