So: Jackson > Wilson > Kerkar > Hulse > Kerkar > Yann. That's our scapegoating tally so far I believe. Don't think I've missed anyone out. Can't believe people are knocking Yann. If the ref or Danny Haynes were any good then Yann would have won us a penalty and got an assist. But now, somehow our target man is to blame for us shipping two wonder goals and failing to take control of a match. Honestly. Think I'll take a little CL break as if Yann doesn't play on Boxing Day I'll log on to a thread titled 'Chris Solly: overrated?'. Have a great Christmas everyone
I thought we played ok and on another day we'dhave got someting. I don't thing we were any worse than the scrappy game against Peterborough which i also saw and we took that one 2-0. The line between winning and losing is very fine in this league and on balance we are evening out the results. It is a bit touch after last seasons, consistant edging games in our favour, but were, not that good and not that bad. I saw us lose at Forest and they were like European Champions compared to the Owls, yet they aren't far away from us now either. The thing that showed up for me was the crowd. Even at 1-0 they were silent. They were just waiting for the collapse, such is their lack of faith in this team/manager. What few made it to Hillsbourough made a good account of themselves and well done to all that sang the whole game (especially 'Red & White Army for about 20minutes in 2nd half).
I stood talking to an Owl season ticket holder in the New Barrack Tavern before the game. He told me he's only coming still as he has a season ticket. He didn't go to Barnsley as he had no hope in hell that they'd get a result. To me that speaks volumes. He also said that he thought Millandaric would be making changes soon enough. Funnily enough i saw Dave Jones in his car on Leppings Lane on friday. Nice white porsche with BOSS DAVE (BO56 DAV) plate. Wonder how much longer that will be driving around S6?
I went to the game with one of my daughters and some Addicks, my other daughter was in the cop with her friends (grrr). I spoke to these Owls after the game and relief is about all they could offer. No storming the league talk just yet, that would be pushing it even for an Owl.
This is from someone who hasn't seen us play much this season but nevertheless:
We didn't play well. Our midfield was overrun, and we continualy tried to pump it forward to Yann. We know all of Llera's weaknesses intimately, and yet we played to his strengths. In the first ten minutes their left back got booked for taking out wilson when we had the ball on the floor and were pushing it round them, yet we failed to do it for the rest of the game.
Haynes played well, and looks sharp - but he has to start scoring. Should've buried one from a Yann knockdown inside the six yard box, instead it was fumbled and they got it clear.
Wednesday are not very good at all and will struggle, but we could be dragged in to such a struggle.
Frimpong can go back in Jan for all i'm concerned. But we need a decent replacement in.
The most frustrating thing about yesterday was our complete inability to keep the ball.
Couldn't really see the offside/penalty decision cos it was up the other end.
Doesn't sound like a great performance but nonetheless if either of the two key decisions go our way (and if the officials were competent they would have) we would have got something out of the game. With one or two exceptions the officiating in this division is a complete joke. I'm sure Mr Sutton got a few nice handshakes as he left the ground, as he is just the sort of homer that rubbish like Wednesday need to give them a chance of staying up. Anyhow, we do need to strengthen in January and the focus has to be on the midfield.
You have to be in front of the BALL to be offside, def goal but the officials got it wrong. Had we been allowed that goal of course we would have won, and the Wednesday fans should feel relief at their good fortune, and not use up energy bad-mouthing us.
So that is at least 4 points Wednesday have been given due to poor refs/officials in the last 2 matches, keep that standard of help and they will look like a half decent team.
I have to say from the TV highlights there was no way it looked like a penalty. Kermo looked like he was hardly touched. (I know from different angles it may well have been completely different.)
I have to say from the TV highlights there was no way it looked like a penalty. Kermo looked like he was hardly touched. (I know from different angles it may well have been completely different.)
If that's the case then why wasn't Kermo booked for diving?
I have to say from the TV highlights there was no way it looked like a penalty. Kermo looked like he was hardly touched. (I know from different angles it may well have been completely different.)
If that's the case then why wasn't Kermo booked for diving?
Well, as you called the referee scum in the other thread you started .............
Rather late in posting but was there yesterday & agree with a lot of what others have already said.
Yes, we did look good for the first 10 mins or so and Haynes certainly put the wind up 'em with his pace ...but no-one else seems to want to/be able to take players on. I felt sure that their defender must get a 2nd yellow if we kept playing Danny in on the right flank but things changed for the worst once they scored.
Whether it was the fact that our midfield had persistent neck ache from the long balls played out of defence or whether it was that they were fairly ineffective - either way , not for the first time, it seems to be the area from which our problems emanate. Frimpong doesn't do it for me and I'm not a great fan of Kerkar, I'm afraid. Stephens may not be the answer, but we definitely miss him when he's not playing. And now , I see that Wilson will be banned on Boxing Day so further changes are necessitated. Bring back Brad !
But another factor yesterday over which we had NO control , was the referee. It appeared obvious to us from early on that little would be awarded to the Reds & with Wednesday being particularly physical we were on a hiding to nothing decision wise. At one point in the second half, in clear view of the away fans, Llera all but throttled one of our front players but no foul was given. Just one of many examples & I can well understand SCP's anger towards the officials however fruitless.
I'm certainly not feeling suicidal ( yet) but am becoming a tad concerned ....partly due to our inconsistent home form and partly for the gaffer. With back to back home matches on the horizon & the rumours of money being made available in January, I sincerely hope that any twitchy fickle fingers of fate in the Boardroom will not be pointed in SCP's direction. Having denied him the opportunity of strengthening the Division One squad in the summer, our "owners" must give him their backing now and like the majority of Lifers, keep faith with him. Nothing less would make any sense .
Rather late in posting but was there yesterday & agree with a lot of what others have already said.
Yes, we did look good for the first 10 mins or so and Haynes certainly put the wind up 'em with his pace ...but no-one else seems to want to/be able to take players on. I felt sure that their defender must get a 2nd yellow if we kept playing Danny in on the right flank but things changed for the worst once they scored.
Whether it was the fact that our midfield had persistent neck ache from the long balls played out of defence or whether it was that they were fairly ineffective - either way , not for the first time, it seems to be the area from which our problems emanate. Frimpong doesn't do it for me and I'm not a great fan of Kerkar, I'm afraid. Stephens may not be the answer, but we definitely miss him when he's not playing. And now , I see that Wilson will be banned on Boxing Day so further changes are necessitated. Bring back Brad !
But another factor yesterday over which we had NO control , was the referee. It appeared obvious to us from early on that little would be awarded to the Reds & with Wednesday being particularly physical we were on a hiding to nothing decision wise. At one point in the second half, in clear view of the away fans, Llera all but throttled one of our front players but no foul was given. Just one of many examples & I can well understand SCP's anger towards the officials however fruitless.
I'm certainly not feeling suicidal ( yet) but am becoming a tad concerned ....partly due to our inconsistent home form and partly for the gaffer. With back to back home matches on the horizon & the rumours of money being made available in January, I sincerely hope that any twitchy fickle fingers of fate in the Boardroom will not be pointed in SCP's direction. Having denied him the opportunity of strengthening the Division One squad in the summer, our "owners" must give him their backing now and like the majority of Lifers, keep faith with him. Nothing less would make any sense .
In SCP we trust !
With Dale he very much reminds me in style of play to Kishishev. Works hard and gives his all, but has the tendency to give the ball away quite a bit but tries and gets it back.
With Kerkar a bit too far out of his depth in this league? He looked good at first but it probably shows just how weak the SPL is compared to the Championship.
2 good goals for Wednesday , although for the 2nd Solly and Jackson were in slow motion treading water when Helan showed them a clean pair of heels and Hamer may have done better with the ball going through him from a tight angle at the near post Haynes "offside" was deffo onside and the penalty appeal was more than a good shout after a clumsy challenge by Reda on Kermo Think I heard that the Helan fella is going back to Man City he was on loan at Sheff Wed , if he is a left sided winger maybe Slaters "connections" at City might steer him in our direction or maybe with some decent training Danny Haynes will be as good as Walcott (did he really say that ????)
Didn't go to the match but watched the highlights and read the papers and judging by that it does seem this was a poor performance. The goal should have stood it wasn't offside (that's 3 this season disallowed) but the penalty was in my opinion questionable. It seems that CP is putting faith in Kermo but for me just lumping the ball aimlessly is a waste of time. Sorry to say we are a mediocre side at the moment due entirely to a lack of quality, or maybe lack of balance, in midfield they just don't create enough chances for our forwards. The ref obviously lost control the most bizarre thing was sending CP to the stand after he talked to him at half time, CP stated that he didn't shout or point just put his views across and apparently the ref "suggested" he sat in the stand althought it wasn't an official sending off.
So we need a result against Ipswitch to steady the ship I feel which I am confident we will get but clearly we have some work to do New Year.
It was neither the best of performances nor the worst of performances. Taken into consideration alongside some of our other games, we will remain in this division at the end of the season.
Charlton started well. Three times we attacked on the right, three times they brought our player down, the third occasion warranting a booking. It was abundantly clear that Wednesday would soon be a man down if we continued to attack this side.
The Owls started to attack and our defensive five did not look at their best. When the goal arrived for Wednesday it was not a surprise as we were failing to clear the ball out of the danger area well. Listening to some of their fans describe the first goal after the game, anyone not at the game might believe that it was on par with Maradonna's second goal against England in '86, it was not.
We then seemed to adopt the tactic of hitting the ball long. This seemed at best a curious tactic, given that it played to the strengths of the Wednesday defense.
Despite my criticism above of the defensive unit, on the whole they were fine. The midfield, on the other hand, failed to impose themselves. Wilson did a decent job, and Green had his moments when he came on, but we missed Stephens in the centre. I feel a certain amount of sympathy for Kerkar, coming into a new team and playing in a position where all around him is constantly changing. In any other position in the midfield, Kerkar would at least have benefit of an established member of the team consistantly behind him.
Our attack was limited by both tactics and supply. They did not get enough of the ball and when it did arrive, the manner in which it arrived was not desirable. Yann was a pivotal player in our promotion and can be a good player for us in this division, however Hulse and Haynes have been our best partnership in this division and both should have started. As Fuller is arguably our best player, when he is fully fit CP has a tricky decision on who to pick up front, but as things stand and on this performance Yann currently sits behind the aforementioned three in the striking options.
The referee was poor. A goal disallowed for us, a penalty turned down and numerous decisions for the home side indicated someone who is unlikely to be the best referee in the world.
I understand from various Owls that they had been lucky to win against Barnsley and that was true also of their win against us. I felt we slightly edged it, although a draw would of probably been fair. Wednesday are not a great team but a few acquisitions in January should see them safe. Charlton if they played like this every week, would also have to look over their shoulder. However, we don't play like this every week and therefore we don't have to look over our shoulder. Had we played more to feet, we would have won. If we strengthen over the new year, we can look to progress in the league. If the squad remains unchanged, we will simply hover round mid table.
Fair comment Sheffield Red but totally disagree with you when you said we were lucky to beat you, apart from say the first ten minutes we totally mullered you and missed a hat full of chances, truth be told the game could of been over at half time, it was not surprising to see you come into it in the second half though, but we held firm and limited you to hoofball, that said you're definitely not the worse side i've seen at Hillsboro' and no way will Charlton struggle imvho, can't comment what you're like at home obviously.
When you say it could have been over by half time do you mean if offside wasn't given when the fella who had the ball passed to him was behind the ball, if Danny Haynes could kick the round thing rather than thin air and if a blatant penalty and probable red card was dished out? If so, I'd agree.
When you say it could have been over by half time do you mean if offside wasn't given when the fella who had the ball passed to him was behind the ball, if Danny Haynes could kick the round thing rather than thin air and if a blatant penalty and probable red card was dished out? If so, I'd agree.
Okay it should of been 5-2 then at half time instead of 1-0 fairs fair.
When you say it could have been over by half time do you mean if offside wasn't given when the fella who had the ball passed to him was behind the ball, if Danny Haynes could kick the round thing rather than thin air and if a blatant penalty and probable red card was dished out? If so, I'd agree.
Okay it should of been 5-2 then at half time instead of 1-0 fairs fair.
5-2? Behave. As if you were ever going to score 5. Plum.
Piggy, you weren't that good, mate, you really weren't. I will grant you you scored two pretty good goals and we only scored one, but apart from the chance your man dragged wide of the far post I don't know where you get 5. Anyway time to move on I think. Hopefully we will see you on here after Jan 26.
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I stood talking to an Owl season ticket holder in the New Barrack Tavern before the game. He told me he's only coming still as he has a season ticket. He didn't go to Barnsley as he had no hope in hell that they'd get a result. To me that speaks volumes. He also said that he thought Millandaric would be making changes soon enough. Funnily enough i saw Dave Jones in his car on Leppings Lane on friday. Nice white porsche with BOSS DAVE (BO56 DAV) plate. Wonder how much longer that will be driving around S6?
I went to the game with one of my daughters and some Addicks, my other daughter was in the cop with her friends (grrr). I spoke to these Owls after the game and relief is about all they could offer. No storming the league talk just yet, that would be pushing it even for an Owl.
We didn't play well. Our midfield was overrun, and we continualy tried to pump it forward to Yann. We know all of Llera's weaknesses intimately, and yet we played to his strengths. In the first ten minutes their left back got booked for taking out wilson when we had the ball on the floor and were pushing it round them, yet we failed to do it for the rest of the game.
Haynes played well, and looks sharp - but he has to start scoring. Should've buried one from a Yann knockdown inside the six yard box, instead it was fumbled and they got it clear.
Wednesday are not very good at all and will struggle, but we could be dragged in to such a struggle.
Frimpong can go back in Jan for all i'm concerned. But we need a decent replacement in.
The most frustrating thing about yesterday was our complete inability to keep the ball.
Couldn't really see the offside/penalty decision cos it was up the other end.
Offside? Looks like Powell was right to complain about that dodgy decision.
Taken from Owlstalk (where some of them are still convinced it was offside). And I don't know why the lad was searching for sheep porn. Weird.
Anyhow, we do need to strengthen in January and the focus has to be on the midfield.
Had we been allowed that goal of course we would have won, and the Wednesday fans should feel relief at their good fortune, and not use up energy bad-mouthing us.
Yes, we did look good for the first 10 mins or so and Haynes certainly put the wind up 'em with his pace ...but no-one else seems to want to/be able to take players on. I felt sure that their defender must get a 2nd yellow if we kept playing Danny in on the right flank but things changed for the worst once they scored.
Whether it was the fact that our midfield had persistent neck ache from the long balls played out of defence or whether it was that they were fairly ineffective - either way , not for the first time, it seems to be the area from which our problems emanate. Frimpong doesn't do it for me and I'm not a great fan of Kerkar, I'm afraid. Stephens may not be the answer, but we definitely miss him when he's not playing. And now , I see that Wilson will be banned on Boxing Day so further changes are necessitated. Bring back Brad !
But another factor yesterday over which we had NO control , was the referee. It appeared obvious to us from early on that little would be awarded to the Reds & with Wednesday being particularly physical we were on a hiding to nothing decision wise. At one point in the second half, in clear view of the away fans, Llera all but throttled one of our front players but no foul was given. Just one of many examples & I can well understand SCP's anger towards the officials however fruitless.
I'm certainly not feeling suicidal ( yet) but am becoming a tad concerned ....partly due to our inconsistent home form and partly for the gaffer. With back to back home matches on the horizon & the rumours of money being made available in January, I sincerely hope that any twitchy fickle fingers of fate in the Boardroom will not be pointed in SCP's direction. Having denied him the opportunity of strengthening the Division One squad in the summer, our "owners" must give him their backing now and like the majority of Lifers, keep faith with him. Nothing less would make any sense .
In SCP we trust !
With Kerkar a bit too far out of his depth in this league? He looked good at first but it probably shows just how weak the SPL is compared to the Championship.
Haynes "offside" was deffo onside and the penalty appeal was more than a good shout after a clumsy challenge by Reda on Kermo
Think I heard that the Helan fella is going back to Man City he was on loan at Sheff Wed , if he is a left sided winger maybe Slaters "connections" at City might steer him in our direction or maybe with some decent training Danny Haynes will be as good as Walcott (did he really say that ????)
So we need a result against Ipswitch to steady the ship I feel which I am confident we will get but clearly we have some work to do New Year.
Charlton started well. Three times we attacked on the right, three times they brought our player down, the third occasion warranting a booking. It was abundantly clear that Wednesday would soon be a man down if we continued to attack this side.
The Owls started to attack and our defensive five did not look at their best. When the goal arrived for Wednesday it was not a surprise as we were failing to clear the ball out of the danger area well. Listening to some of their fans describe the first goal after the game, anyone not at the game might believe that it was on par with Maradonna's second goal against England in '86, it was not.
We then seemed to adopt the tactic of hitting the ball long. This seemed at best a curious tactic, given that it played to the strengths of the Wednesday defense.
Despite my criticism above of the defensive unit, on the whole they were fine. The midfield, on the other hand, failed to impose themselves. Wilson did a decent job, and Green had his moments when he came on, but we missed Stephens in the centre. I feel a certain amount of sympathy for Kerkar, coming into a new team and playing in a position where all around him is constantly changing. In any other position in the midfield, Kerkar would at least have benefit of an established member of the team consistantly behind him.
Our attack was limited by both tactics and supply. They did not get enough of the ball and when it did arrive, the manner in which it arrived was not desirable. Yann was a pivotal player in our promotion and can be a good player for us in this division, however Hulse and Haynes have been our best partnership in this division and both should have started. As Fuller is arguably our best player, when he is fully fit CP has a tricky decision on who to pick up front, but as things stand and on this performance Yann currently sits behind the aforementioned three in the striking options.
The referee was poor. A goal disallowed for us, a penalty turned down and numerous decisions for the home side indicated someone who is unlikely to be the best referee in the world.
I understand from various Owls that they had been lucky to win against Barnsley and that was true also of their win against us. I felt we slightly edged it, although a draw would of probably been fair. Wednesday are not a great team but a few acquisitions in January should see them safe. Charlton if they played like this every week, would also have to look over their shoulder. However, we don't play like this every week and therefore we don't have to look over our shoulder. Had we played more to feet, we would have won. If we strengthen over the new year, we can look to progress in the league. If the squad remains unchanged, we will simply hover round mid table.