It wasn't a rational purchase by Bournemouth by the same reckoning.
They have deeper pockets and as noted were ready to 'push on' this season.
Notwithstanding the fact that we accumulated more points over the past three seasons without Yann than with, his presence may have meant finishing say 9th rather than 12th since we are patently miles away from a promotion push in other areas.
Moreover if he was collecting up to 10% of the entire club payroll, then who knows whether we could have got Vetokele and JBG or the myriad of well paid free transfers (eg Johnson, Diarra, Eagles) that guided us to safety.
Yann was simply worth more to Bournemouth than he was to us - they knew they could push on this season whilst we were clearly in a rebuilding phase. As we've also just seen, he is used in a different role there whilst we used to just pump long balls in his general direction.
We freed up probably £750k in wages, earned a fee and created the room for the likes of JBG and Igor to come in, both of whom will have resale value.
I think it's perfectly reasonable to acknowledge he's a great guy/player and it was ok to let him go.
Except that we a) didn't replace him with Igor, we replaced him with Reza and Polish Pete and b) we ourselves have been playing it around on the deck a lot more this season so he would gave been a perfect fit for us too.
I don't think it matters which way you cut it, Yann's sale weakened the squad and the fact he has gone on to be a first choice and significant performer for this season's champions who won the league by having the most potent attack just further highlights just how much his talent was underestimated by whoever decided we could get better for less money. I think he's probably shown himself to be an even better player than even some Charlton fans thought he was.
Mistakes are made, hopefully the club has learnt its lesson and won't give up the likes of JoBerg so easily this summer, but there's no way selling Yann was a good decision in any way.
We were in the bottom three when he left
And Bournemouth are top so what's your point?
Someone said we were weakened - last time I checked we were 12th
Yes, because money was spent on strengthening other areas of the squad but not the money selling Yann generated, that was already spunked on Polish Pete and Reza, neither whom are good enough to lace Yann's boots.
We probably had two players in our squad last year who were the match for most of their peers in the division - Solly and Yann. We let Yann go and when we realized we needed someone like him we tried to replace him with Tucudean, another on who wasn't nearly good enough to even partially fill the Yann shaped hole in the squad.
We finished 12th despite selling Yann, not because we sold him. We also finished the season with the manager, sorry head coach, saying he wants to sign a physically combative no. 9. We had one, in fact we had one of the best at his level and we let him go for not a particularly significant sum of money.
To deliberately misquote you, I think it's perfectly reasonable to acknowledge he's a great guy/player and it was a flawed decision to let him go.
Also spent the money on the pitch which looked in top shape yesterday.
Howe played KMG in the perfect position. He also benefited from having 2 other excellent forwards alongside him. Shows that Charlton are at least 2 strikers short for the number needed for promotion. When KMG was subbed to a very good round of applause, Bournemouth brought on Kenwyne Jones. Charlton had an unfit looking Vetekele, an half fit Watt who spent half the game falling over to win free kicks and Simon Church.
Vetokele will be strong again when he is fully fit - has been playing with an achilles injury. A result that nobody will come in for him. We will need him next season and a fitter Watt. The club really need to focus on these two in the summer so we get them on 100% in August.
It wasn't a rational purchase by Bournemouth by the same reckoning.
They have deeper pockets and as noted were ready to 'push on' this season.
Notwithstanding the fact that we accumulated more points over the past three seasons without Yann than with, his presence may have meant finishing say 9th rather than 12th since we are patently miles away from a promotion push in other areas.
Moreover if he was collecting up to 10% of the entire club payroll, then who knows whether we could have got Vetokele and JBG or the myriad of well paid free transfers (eg Johnson, Diarra, Eagles) that guided us to safety.
And maybe we could have made all those signings and kept Yann if we hadn't signed Thuram and Nego (neither who we needed), Reza, Piotr, Tucudean, Lepoint, Dmitrovic...
Strikers are more expensive and Yann was a proven Championship player and in this current squad would still be one of the best players, whatever any stats might suggest.
Too many people assume that Kermorgant was offered a duff contract .. has it ever been suggested that he was tapped up by Bournemouth and engineered a move ? .. I realise that I am possibly besmirching the reputation of a 'legend' ... so be it
Too many people assume that Kermorgant was offered a duff contract .. has it ever been suggested that he was tapped up by Bournemouth and engineered a move ? .. I realise that I am possibly besmirching the reputation of a 'legend' ... so be it
tbh he was our best player and thought maybe a wage increase would've been fair considering the contract he was on was the same that he had signed when he came to us in league one after no one wanted him in england. Then felt probably a bit offended that we offered a lot lower and he knew he could get a better deal elsewhere and was told he could leave so fair play to him.
Too many people assume that Kermorgant was offered a duff contract .. has it ever been suggested that he was tapped up by Bournemouth and engineered a move ? .. I realise that I am possibly besmirching the reputation of a 'legend' ... so be it
tbh he was our best player and thought maybe a wage increase would've been fair considering the contract he was on was the same that he had signed when he came to us in league one after no one wanted him in england. Then felt probably a bit offended that we offered a lot lower and he knew he could get a better deal elsewhere and was told he could leave so fair play to him.
In the long run it would have probably been considerably cheaper to pay Kermorgant, however hindsight is a wonderful thing.
The Belgians know what they are doing, don't they?
Yann was simply worth more to Bournemouth than he was to us - they knew they could push on this season whilst we were clearly in a rebuilding phase. As we've also just seen, he is used in a different role there whilst we used to just pump long balls in his general direction.
We freed up probably £750k in wages, earned a fee and created the room for the likes of JBG and Igor to come in, both of whom will have resale value.
I think it's perfectly reasonable to acknowledge he's a great guy/player and it was ok to let him go.
Except that we a) didn't replace him with Igor, we replaced him with Reza and Polish Pete and b) we ourselves have been playing it around on the deck a lot more this season so he would gave been a perfect fit for us too.
I don't think it matters which way you cut it, Yann's sale weakened the squad and the fact he has gone on to be a first choice and significant performer for this season's champions who won the league by having the most potent attack just further highlights just how much his talent was underestimated by whoever decided we could get better for less money. I think he's probably shown himself to be an even better player than even some Charlton fans thought he was.
Mistakes are made, hopefully the club has learnt its lesson and won't give up the likes of JoBerg so easily this summer, but there's no way selling Yann was a good decision in any way.
We were in the bottom three when he left
With four games in hand, etc.
There's nothing wrong with selling players if they are adequately replaced. We clearly still haven't managed to do that in this case
Yann was simply worth more to Bournemouth than he was to us - they knew they could push on this season whilst we were clearly in a rebuilding phase. As we've also just seen, he is used in a different role there whilst we used to just pump long balls in his general direction.
We freed up probably £750k in wages, earned a fee and created the room for the likes of JBG and Igor to come in, both of whom will have resale value.
I think it's perfectly reasonable to acknowledge he's a great guy/player and it was ok to let him go.
Except that we a) didn't replace him with Igor, we replaced him with Reza and Polish Pete and b) we ourselves have been playing it around on the deck a lot more this season so he would gave been a perfect fit for us too.
I don't think it matters which way you cut it, Yann's sale weakened the squad and the fact he has gone on to be a first choice and significant performer for this season's champions who won the league by having the most potent attack just further highlights just how much his talent was underestimated by whoever decided we could get better for less money. I think he's probably shown himself to be an even better player than even some Charlton fans thought he was.
Mistakes are made, hopefully the club has learnt its lesson and won't give up the likes of JoBerg so easily this summer, but there's no way selling Yann was a good decision in any way.
We were in the bottom three when he left
With four games in hand, etc.
There's nothing wrong with selling players if they are adequately replaced. We clearly still haven't managed to do that in this case
A forward playing creative central midfield player (Stephens, not a perfect player, I know) and a target centre forward (KMG) have yet to be replaced.
Yann was simply worth more to Bournemouth than he was to us - they knew they could push on this season whilst we were clearly in a rebuilding phase. As we've also just seen, he is used in a different role there whilst we used to just pump long balls in his general direction.
We freed up probably £750k in wages, earned a fee and created the room for the likes of JBG and Igor to come in, both of whom will have resale value.
I think it's perfectly reasonable to acknowledge he's a great guy/player and it was ok to let him go.
Except that we a) didn't replace him with Igor, we replaced him with Reza and Polish Pete and b) we ourselves have been playing it around on the deck a lot more this season so he would gave been a perfect fit for us too.
I don't think it matters which way you cut it, Yann's sale weakened the squad and the fact he has gone on to be a first choice and significant performer for this season's champions who won the league by having the most potent attack just further highlights just how much his talent was underestimated by whoever decided we could get better for less money. I think he's probably shown himself to be an even better player than even some Charlton fans thought he was.
Mistakes are made, hopefully the club has learnt its lesson and won't give up the likes of JoBerg so easily this summer, but there's no way selling Yann was a good decision in any way.
We were in the bottom three when he left
With four games in hand, etc.
There's nothing wrong with selling players if they are adequately replaced. We clearly still haven't managed to do that in this case
A forward playing creative central midfield player (Stephens, not a perfect player, I know) and a target centre forward (KMG) have yet to be replaced.
Agreed. I don't thinking can be said that the team is progressing if key weaknesses remain. Players like JBG and Vetokele are only part of the solution
Doubt if Yann would have played for us much longer even if he had stayed. Week in week out he was our target man... Lop it up to good old Yann and let him take the whack - which he did without flinching. He was nothing short of heroic and that's why we loved him. But the body can only take so much and he was starting to suffer injuries which were becoming more common place during his last season with us. With us he was getting his first header within 60 seconds (and probably that first whack within five minutes) of the game starting. With this well drilled Bournemouth outfit his first and only header came in the 56th minute. He appeared to enjoy the lay off role and we know he can adapt to front man whenever called upon. Good luck to him in the premiership.
Can't be many other players who have twice lifted the league winning trophy on the same ground but for different teams?
Giving Yann a decent ovation was about the only thing yesterday that made the trip down from Scotland worthwhile...
I said at the beginning of last season that to see Yann lift the championship trophy at the valley would be magic. Be careful what you wish for ! Or make it clearer than i did.
where was it reported about more money?, I have only ever seen, that he was after a longer contract.
My recollection was that he was seeking an increase in salary and extended contract, both of which were offered but only 1 year extension and less money than Bournemouth offered, who also offered two years contract. I am sure there is a thread with this detailed but what we know, actually is rumour and the truth of the matter will never be known.
Found it amusing at half time when some supporters were slagging him off because "...all he's ever done is dive and wants free-kicks.....", yep, that's right, that's all Yann has ever done.....
Chris Powell told Roland it was a no brainer to keep Yann, but Roland categorically refused on the basis that he had better options for us. Source? Chris Powell.
Yann reinforced his 'Legend' status in every way he acted yesterday. It was very clear how highly he regards Charlton and, particularly, the fans. I had a bit of a tear in my eye when he rushed into the Lower West stand to greet the people he must have known form his time with us. The hugs and warmth was clear to see. I am so pleased he was cheered and not booed. I wish him every success in the Premier League. Who knows, if it doesn't work out (a real possibility given how tough that league is and how AFCB are likely to struggle to score) maybe, just maybe, he could come back our way sone day soon!!??
Even though Roland has made many bewildering decisions, there has always been a glimpse of logic behind them.
Selling Yann, however, defied all logic (especially when considering the number of 30+ year old players we have signed since).
Agree BUT I do believe Roland has learnt from this hence Diarra, Johnson etc. if the Yann situation happened now I feel the outcome would be a lot different.
Can we simply not just appreciate the guys contribution to our club and applaud his continued success? Do we really have to go over his departure each an every time his name is mentioned? I could not be more delighted for the bloke. He deserves every success.
As I have said several times before there is significantly more to his departure than is in the public domain.
The guy was given an opportunity to move on. He chose to move on. Of course had Messrs Slater and Jiminez dealt with his contract at the appropriate time he would have had no such opportunity. They did not. To have to deal with his contract as a matter of urgency so soon after taking over the club with all of the uncertainty surrounding the clubs league position, the changing role of the Manager/ Head Coach was unfortunate.
He has quite clearly stated "The club did not do enough to keep me". The line comes from the Eric Cantona school of cryptic messages. None of us can know the difference of the financial terms offered but if you think the man is merely about money you do not know the man.
Though I did not agree with his stance at the time I fully understood his position while at the same time acknowledging the difficulties for the new regime just 2- 3 weeks into their ownership.
These things happen. I will always remember him fondly and sincerely hope the guy gets every opportunity to show what he can do in the Premiership.
Yann wanted to stay and would have signed had we offered him a 2 year deal, he's not on that much more at Bournemouth. We refused and told him we didn't offer players over the age of 30 a 2 year deal only to then offer Jackson a 2 year deal and more recently Lepoint.
A key player - striker and play-maker - who loved CAFC and did not want to leave. That he was deemed 'past it' was ludicrous. He had much to offer. We shall never know how many goals he may have scored - or assists made - but I would suggest that, had he remained an Addick, we may have been some 15+ points better off, and thus, in all likelihood, made the play-offs. Had we been successful and gained promotion, that would have been some return on his retention fee, would it not? But someone knew better, so Yann left us - for a rival team - and we laboured on, it being ever more apparent that we lacked exactly the type of player that we had let go. Ludicrous then, ludicrous now. Good luck to you in the Premiership, Yann.
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Notwithstanding the fact that we accumulated more points over the past three seasons without Yann than with, his presence may have meant finishing say 9th rather than 12th since we are patently miles away from a promotion push in other areas.
Moreover if he was collecting up to 10% of the entire club payroll, then who knows whether we could have got Vetokele and JBG or the myriad of well paid free transfers (eg Johnson, Diarra, Eagles) that guided us to safety.
Howe played KMG in the perfect position. He also benefited from having 2 other excellent forwards alongside him. Shows that Charlton are at least 2 strikers short for the number needed for promotion. When KMG was subbed to a very good round of applause, Bournemouth brought on Kenwyne Jones. Charlton had an unfit looking Vetekele, an half fit Watt who spent half the game falling over to win free kicks and Simon Church.
Strikers are more expensive and Yann was a proven Championship player and in this current squad would still be one of the best players, whatever any stats might suggest.
The Belgians know what they are doing, don't they?
There's nothing wrong with selling players if they are adequately replaced. We clearly still haven't managed to do that in this case
Fair play to him.
Yann love
Giving Yann a decent ovation was about the only thing yesterday that made the trip down from Scotland worthwhile...
Be careful what you wish for !
Or make it clearer than i did.
Sadly I can't see it ever happening.
As I have said several times before there is significantly more to his departure than is in the public domain.
The guy was given an opportunity to move on. He chose to move on. Of course had Messrs Slater and Jiminez dealt with his contract at the appropriate time he would have had no such opportunity. They did not. To have to deal with his contract as a matter of urgency so soon after taking over the club with all of the uncertainty surrounding the clubs league position, the changing role of the Manager/ Head Coach was unfortunate.
He has quite clearly stated "The club did not do enough to keep me". The line comes from the Eric Cantona school of cryptic messages. None of us can know the difference of the financial terms offered but if you think the man is merely about money you do not know the man.
Though I did not agree with his stance at the time I fully understood his position while at the same time acknowledging the difficulties for the new regime just 2- 3 weeks into their ownership.
These things happen. I will always remember him fondly and sincerely hope the guy gets every opportunity to show what he can do in the Premiership.
We shall never know how many goals he may have scored - or assists made - but I would suggest that, had he remained an Addick, we may have been some 15+ points better off, and thus, in all likelihood, made the play-offs. Had we been successful and gained promotion, that would have been some return on his retention fee, would it not? But someone knew better, so Yann left us - for a rival team - and we laboured on, it being ever more apparent that we lacked exactly the type of player that we had let go. Ludicrous then, ludicrous now.
Good luck to you in the Premiership, Yann.