Finally some opinion that actually calls it as people see it rather than slate a player. Danny Green gives us something alternative with his delivery but the difference is that when it doesn't go right he is slated by many on this forum (unjustly). Typically when JJ's deliveries from corners was criticised last week he didnt get the abuse from many on this forum (and rightly so). We should be supporting our players and whilst it is ok to have an opinion that he is not talented enough for this level people shouldn't slate or judge him on one thing (free kick) last night. Danny certainly put in a good shift last night so the marks given by some is not balanced but just to have a dig at him which is counter productive. For the record I don't see as stated previously what the fuss is about Jordan Cousins and in the first half last night he was not getting involved or shutting down the opposition but in the second half he was very good (you could see Riga telling him to get tighter) but although I have that opinion of Jordan I'm happy to be proved wrong and wouldn't slate him as many others do of DG.
The difference is Jordan Cousins is in his first season being a first teamer in a football team. Danny Green has had three seasons to impress and he's never produced anything that looks even a little bit like form. Now me, I've always been a Danny Green apologist. Even now my heart does a little flutter when I see his name on the teamsheet, and I see him whipping crosses onto strikers' heads and smashing in a 30 yard winner. The reality is I'm an idiot. He's scored 4 goals for us in the league in three years. The first wasn't until the end of December, one was by accident and the other was a screamer against Derby when we were already 3-0 down. He also seems to enjoy scoring against Oxford in cups for some reason, taking his overall tally to a distressing 6. His assists record is disappointing, his inability to track back costs us goals, and the one thing he's meant to be really, really good at, the thing that merits his inclusion in our squad, continues to disappoint. Every corner is an attempt at goal despite the fact mid-30s David Seaman plays for zero of the teams we face, and often that doesn't even clear the first defender. Free kicks sail harmlessly over the bar or batter some poor sod in the wall, and crosses rarely find the head of a Charlton attacker. Add to that the fact he shirks challenges and runs out of steam after approximately 4 minutes of quite hard trying and you begin to see why Danny gets more stick than Jackson after a poor corner. Jackson runs himself into the ground, pops up with goals and bleeds for the team; Green plays every game like it's his testimonial. He seems like a lovely man, and even after this massive diatribe I still think he'll smash in a few goals to keep us up (he won't) but I don't think he merits comparison to Cousins or Jackson, nor has he been unduly harshly treated.
In your haze you make some relevant points and quite succinctly. However the comparison I made against Jackson and Cousins is about people not slagging them off when fans don't like what they produce on the pitch not on ability/form/cause. As for DG he's been called a "ponce" marked minus 5 on another thread amongst other things...........that is definitely harsh and not a balanced view !
Finally some opinion that actually calls it as people see it rather than slate a player. Danny Green gives us something alternative with his delivery but the difference is that when it doesn't go right he is slated by many on this forum (unjustly). Typically when JJ's deliveries from corners was criticised last week he didnt get the abuse from many on this forum (and rightly so). We should be supporting our players and whilst it is ok to have an opinion that he is not talented enough for this level people shouldn't slate or judge him on one thing (free kick) last night. Danny certainly put in a good shift last night so the marks given by some is not balanced but just to have a dig at him which is counter productive. For the record I don't see as stated previously what the fuss is about Jordan Cousins and in the first half last night he was not getting involved or shutting down the opposition but in the second half he was very good (you could see Riga telling him to get tighter) but although I have that opinion of Jordan I'm happy to be proved wrong and wouldn't slate him as many others do of DG.
The difference is Jordan Cousins is in his first season being a first teamer in a football team. Danny Green has had three seasons to impress and he's never produced anything that looks even a little bit like form. Now me, I've always been a Danny Green apologist. Even now my heart does a little flutter when I see his name on the teamsheet, and I see him whipping crosses onto strikers' heads and smashing in a 30 yard winner. The reality is I'm an idiot. He's scored 4 goals for us in the league in three years. The first wasn't until the end of December, one was by accident and the other was a screamer against Derby when we were already 3-0 down. He also seems to enjoy scoring against Oxford in cups for some reason, taking his overall tally to a distressing 6. His assists record is disappointing, his inability to track back costs us goals, and the one thing he's meant to be really, really good at, the thing that merits his inclusion in our squad, continues to disappoint. Every corner is an attempt at goal despite the fact mid-30s David Seaman plays for zero of the teams we face, and often that doesn't even clear the first defender. Free kicks sail harmlessly over the bar or batter some poor sod in the wall, and crosses rarely find the head of a Charlton attacker. Add to that the fact he shirks challenges and runs out of steam after approximately 4 minutes of quite hard trying and you begin to see why Danny gets more stick than Jackson after a poor corner. Jackson runs himself into the ground, pops up with goals and bleeds for the team; Green plays every game like it's his testimonial. He seems like a lovely man, and even after this massive diatribe I still think he'll smash in a few goals to keep us up (he won't) but I don't think he merits comparison to Cousins or Jackson, nor has he been unduly harshly treated.
In your haze you make some relevant points and quite succinctly. However the comparison I made against Jackson and Cousins is about people not slagging them off when fans don't like what they produce on the pitch not on ability/form/cause. As for DG he's been called a "ponce" marked minus 5 on another thread amongst other things...........that is definitely harsh and not a balanced view !
Agreed that comments like those are unfair and unduly harsh, but I don't see that thinking he's awful is automatically unbalanced. You can judge his weaknesses and his strengths, and for me the former far outweigh the latter by some distance.
Finally some opinion that actually calls it as people see it rather than slate a player. Danny Green gives us something alternative with his delivery but the difference is that when it doesn't go right he is slated by many on this forum (unjustly). Typically when JJ's deliveries from corners was criticised last week he didnt get the abuse from many on this forum (and rightly so). We should be supporting our players and whilst it is ok to have an opinion that he is not talented enough for this level people shouldn't slate or judge him on one thing (free kick) last night. Danny certainly put in a good shift last night so the marks given by some is not balanced but just to have a dig at him which is counter productive. For the record I don't see as stated previously what the fuss is about Jordan Cousins and in the first half last night he was not getting involved or shutting down the opposition but in the second half he was very good (you could see Riga telling him to get tighter) but although I have that opinion of Jordan I'm happy to be proved wrong and wouldn't slate him as many others do of DG.
The difference is Jordan Cousins is in his first season being a first teamer in a football team. Danny Green has had three seasons to impress and he's never produced anything that looks even a little bit like form. Now me, I've always been a Danny Green apologist. Even now my heart does a little flutter when I see his name on the teamsheet, and I see him whipping crosses onto strikers' heads and smashing in a 30 yard winner. The reality is I'm an idiot. He's scored 4 goals for us in the league in three years. The first wasn't until the end of December, one was by accident and the other was a screamer against Derby when we were already 3-0 down. He also seems to enjoy scoring against Oxford in cups for some reason, taking his overall tally to a distressing 6. His assists record is disappointing, his inability to track back costs us goals, and the one thing he's meant to be really, really good at, the thing that merits his inclusion in our squad, continues to disappoint. Every corner is an attempt at goal despite the fact mid-30s David Seaman plays for zero of the teams we face, and often that doesn't even clear the first defender. Free kicks sail harmlessly over the bar or batter some poor sod in the wall, and crosses rarely find the head of a Charlton attacker. Add to that the fact he shirks challenges and runs out of steam after approximately 4 minutes of quite hard trying and you begin to see why Danny gets more stick than Jackson after a poor corner. Jackson runs himself into the ground, pops up with goals and bleeds for the team; Green plays every game like it's his testimonial. He seems like a lovely man, and even after this massive diatribe I still think he'll smash in a few goals to keep us up (he won't) but I don't think he merits comparison to Cousins or Jackson, nor has he been unduly harshly treated.
In your haze you make some relevant points and quite succinctly. However the comparison I made against Jackson and Cousins is about people not slagging them off when fans don't like what they produce on the pitch not on ability/form/cause. As for DG he's been called a "ponce" marked minus 5 on another thread amongst other things...........that is definitely harsh and not a balanced view !
Truth is that you can't compare JJ and Green. The former has been a consistently high performer over several seasons and scores goals. The latter promised much and delivered absolutely nothing over the same period. Great that Green worked hard on Tuesday, but what did he actually deliver besides one fantastic free kick in the first half?
He's dogshite. He's our dogshite, but he's still dogshite.
Danny green was a match winner but was treated like shit by a Powell .... Sat on the bench while he played Pitchard out wide ...... But green was not the only one treated like shit under Powell management
A match winner? you having a laugh?
Maybe Powell saw it as a toss up between a lazy player who wouldn't track back and happy to watch the game go by...........or a player out of position, but will bust a gut and give 100% for 90 mins?
Don't think either were the ideal solution, but if they're the only 2 options, I know which one I'd opt for.
Match winner...........really............#facepalm
Danny green was a match winner but was treated like shit by a Powell .... Sat on the bench while he played Pitchard out wide ...... But green was not the only one treated like shit under Powell management
Danny green was a match winner but was treated like shit by a Powell .... Sat on the bench while he played Pitchard out wide ...... But green was not the only one treated like shit under Powell management
Riga didn't pick or rate him either. </blockquote
True but BexleyBoy/Colin1961 has a pathological hatred of Powell and loves Riga so that fact gets ignored.
Which is the best opton for all of Bexleyboy/Colin's posts
When you are scrapping around for points you need a wide mid who will track back and defend. He'll do we'll in a team where they are the ones pressing for large parts of the game, but that hasnt been us since we came up to the championship. Good luck to him but glad he's not our 'option from the bench' anymore.
Danny green was a match winner but was treated like shit by a Powell .... Sat on the bench while he played Pitchard out wide ...... But green was not the only one treated like shit under Powell management
You're right! Powell was treated shit under his own management too!
Danny Green was just as much a match loser as a match winner... if not more. Too slow to track back even if he could be bothered, and on the rare occasions he actually managed a tackle, 99% of them were awful and gave away an unneeded free kick. I can't remember his much hyped dead ball skills ever amounting to much either...
Danny Green was just as much a match loser as a match winner... if not more. Too slow to track back even if he could be bothered, and on the rare occasions he actually managed a tackle, 99% of them were awful and gave away an unneeded free kick. I can't remember his much hyped dead ball skills ever amounting to much either...
Quite simply, he just wasn't good enough. That's not a criticism of him because there's clearly a good League One player in there.
Danny Green wasn't lazy or unable of tracking back IMO, he just couldn't tackle. Would more often than not end up getting booked whenever he "got stuck in"
As per usual we have Charlton fans exaggerating how bad a player is. Why do our fans do that?
He wasn't terrible , he was just a league one player playing in the championship which is hardly his fault . Nothing more nothing less.
He will do well for MK Dons.
Sure. But for two of the three seasons he was an Addick, we were in the Championship where by your own admission he was out of his depth. Whether or not Pritchard or Wagstaff were good enough, he was not. Perhaps people would be more inclined to forgive and forget if there weren't a few planks insisting he was a game winner mistreated by Powell...
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He's dogshite. He's our dogshite, but he's still dogshite.
Maybe Powell saw it as a toss up between a lazy player who wouldn't track back and happy to watch the game go by...........or a player out of position, but will bust a gut and give 100% for 90 mins?
Don't think either were the ideal solution, but if they're the only 2 options, I know which one I'd opt for.
Match winner...........really............#facepalm
He wasn't terrible , he was just a league one player playing in the championship which is hardly his fault . Nothing more nothing less.
He will do well for MK Dons.