What I don't understand is what KJU is hoping to achieve from this grandstanding. They won't defeat anyone, they will get wiped out no doubt at the loss of lives... They have nothing to gain. Unless it really is all about trying to look hard in the face of the US. It's a no win situation
They will be negotiating for concessions on the sanctions that have already been imposed.They will say they won't target Guam if they can export more coal etc. It's a game.
I don't think this conflict is about democracy or the removal of Kim. It's more about Kim and Donald both waving their penises in the air and saying mine is bigger than yours with Zi and Vladimir thumbling around with their flies open wanting to get their cock out too!
Ridiculous.....the problems with North Korea have been going on for decades under different leaders, this is simply a continuation. Nobody other than Kim is cock waving.
Its all a load of bullshit by two crazy mo fo leaders who don't give two shits about anything look at their hair ffs tells you everything you need to know
The important factor is that the US can wipe NK off the map if it chooses - even if the regime is mad, they are not that mad. They are just posturing for effect.
There have been successful attempts to poll the views of the North Korean people and conclusions drawn that the vast majority - In the high 90 per cents want the regime out. The problem is, if you show even the mildest of opposition you will be brutally murdered if they find out. .
It isn't an exact science, but there has been defector testimony that this is the case although we would reasonably assume/argue bias. But there have been covert surveys with small samples through nameless non government agencies - not Survation or Gallop, but the level of disafection can be assumed to be very high from them. Then you also have the violence/murder the regime meets out to any dissent, no matter how minor. Why do it when the population is compliant?
I think assuming the North Koreans are happy is a lazy assumption. All the signs are that they are an opressed people. Opressed by a regime that is adept at opression.
It isn't an exact science, but there has been defector testimony that this is the case although we would reasonably assume/argue bias. But there have been covert surveys with small samples through nameless non government agencies - not Survation or Gallop, but the level of disafection can be assumed to be very high from them. Then you also have the violence/murder the regime meets out to any dissent, no matter how minor. Why do it when the population is compliant?
I think assuming the North Koreans are happy is a lazy assumption. All the signs are that they are an opressed people. Opressed by a regime that is adept at opression.
I don't think anybody is saying that the bulk of North Koreans are "happy" with their lot. Many are living at subsistence level and as such probably don't have the strength to overthrow anyone let alone an oppressive regime.
Those that are not living hand to mouth are the privileged party members and their families who are also oppressed with the fear that not doing as they are told will result in either prison, death or abject poverty. Those in the military are well looked after for obvious reasons. I doubt many in these three groups will have any idea of what's going on in the real world. They will have been brainwashed just like the generations before have been.
The only ones in North Korean society that will know what's going on will be the inteligencia and high ranking officials. Unless the uprising starts with the military I can't see any real threat to Kim Jong-Un. If on the other hand the generals are not happy with the leader then he will at some point be gone.
I don't think this conflict is about democracy or the removal of Kim. It's more about Kim and Donald both waving their penises in the air and saying mine is bigger than yours with Zi and Vladimir thumbling around with their flies open wanting to get their cock out too!
Ridiculous.....the problems with North Korea have been going on for decades under different leaders, this is simply a continuation. Nobody other than Kim is cock waving.
Ha ha....and you don't think bully boy Donald doesn't think his cock is bigger than Kim's and that he (USA) is the only one that can have a big toy to play with? If I was Kim I'd want the same big toy and then maybe bully boy will stop picking on the little uns. He started it...no I didn't...he did...no I didn't you did...etc.
I don't think this conflict is about democracy or the removal of Kim. It's more about Kim and Donald both waving their penises in the air and saying mine is bigger than yours with Zi and Vladimir thumbling around with their flies open wanting to get their cock out too!
Ridiculous.....the problems with North Korea have been going on for decades under different leaders, this is simply a continuation. Nobody other than Kim is cock waving.
Ha ha....and you don't think bully boy Donald doesn't think his cock is bigger than Kim's and that he (USA) is the only one that can have a big toy to play with? If I was Kim I'd want the same big toy and then maybe bully boy will stop picking on the little uns. He started it...no I didn't...he did...no I didn't you did...etc.
The difference being Kim is a real dictator who kills real people for opposing him and has children in labour camps for 'crimes' committed by their grandparents. Stop comparing Trump and him, it's nothing short of disgusting.
I don't think this conflict is about democracy or the removal of Kim. It's more about Kim and Donald both waving their penises in the air and saying mine is bigger than yours with Zi and Vladimir thumbling around with their flies open wanting to get their cock out too!
Ridiculous.....the problems with North Korea have been going on for decades under different leaders, this is simply a continuation. Nobody other than Kim is cock waving.
Ha ha....and you don't think bully boy Donald doesn't think his cock is bigger than Kim's and that he (USA) is the only one that can have a big toy to play with? If I was Kim I'd want the same big toy and then maybe bully boy will stop picking on the little uns. He started it...no I didn't...he did...no I didn't you did...etc.
The problem with the US approach is this underlying principle that the people want democracy.
That's our western view projected on other countries. I'm not convinced it's true.
People have needs. I doubt if many in NK care about democracy. They want food, water and shelter. Once people have those, and security, then they start thinking about things like democracy. But as we've seen in the Middle East, jump from dictatorship to democracy without addressing peoples needs and you end up with anarchy.
I think it's more about self preservation for Kim, having seen what happened to Saddam & Gaddafi in countries that were prevented from acquiring nuclear weapons. The pertinent question should be, how the hell was he allowed to get to this point? The answer of course is, he has managed to do so, as a result of piss weak leadership in the West. President Trump is now in the unenviable position of trying to deal with this problem largely created by the inaction of previous administrations. Same with ISIS, another war that we are finally starting to win, thanks to his tough leadership. Ironic really that the usual suspects try to pin the blame on President Trump when he is finally taking the tough stance that should have been adopted years ago. Prevention is always better than cure! Yours sincerely, the only President Trump supporter on CL
I think it's more about self preservation for Kim, having seen what happened to Saddam & Gaddafi in countries that were prevented from acquiring nuclear weapons. The pertinent question should be, how the hell was he allowed to get to this point? The answer of course is, he has managed to do so, as a result of piss weak leadership in the West. President Trump is now in the unenviable position of trying to deal with this problem largely created by the inaction of previous administrations. Same with ISIS, another war that we are finally starting to win, thanks to his tough leadership. Ironic really that the usual suspects try to pin the blame on President Trump when he is finally taking the tough stance that should have been adopted years ago. Prevention is always better than cure! Yours sincerely, the only President Trump supporter on CL
I think it's more about self preservation for Kim, having seen what happened to Saddam & Gaddafi in countries that were prevented from acquiring nuclear weapons. The pertinent question should be, how the hell was he allowed to get to this point? The answer of course is, he has managed to do so, as a result of piss weak leadership in the West. President Trump is now in the unenviable position of trying to deal with this problem largely created by the inaction of previous administrations. Same with ISIS, another war that we are finally starting to win, thanks to his tough leadership. Ironic really that the usual suspects try to pin the blame on President Trump when he is finally taking the tough stance that should have been adopted years ago. Prevention is always better than cure! Yours sincerely, the only President Trump supporter on CL
It's like reading President Trump's twitter feed!
So tell me, where does this tough stance lead? And how will it end? Military action? Raining "fire and fury" down upon North Korea? Do you know what happens then? Tens of thousands, potentially many, many more, die in South Korea and Japan, not to mention Guam and any and everywhere else North Korea could hit with both conventional and nuclear weapons. Such tough leadership! Why didn't anyone think of this sooner?
I will absolutely grant you that Trump didn't create this mess, but he has managed to make it a hell of a lot worse. Fortunately, he's a bluffer and everyone knows his, and if pushed he'll back down (see: Comey tapes, Healthcare, firing Mueller-though he could still do that of course, Obama wiretapping him).
I think it's more about self preservation for Kim, having seen what happened to Saddam & Gaddafi in countries that were prevented from acquiring nuclear weapons. The pertinent question should be, how the hell was he allowed to get to this point? The answer of course is, he has managed to do so, as a result of piss weak leadership in the West. President Trump is now in the unenviable position of trying to deal with this problem largely created by the inaction of previous administrations. Same with ISIS, another war that we are finally starting to win, thanks to his tough leadership. Ironic really that the usual suspects try to pin the blame on President Trump when he is finally taking the tough stance that should have been adopted years ago. Prevention is always better than cure! Yours sincerely, the only President Trump supporter on CL
It's like reading President Trump's twitter feed!
So tell me, where does this tough stance lead? And how will it end? Military action? Raining "fire and fury" down upon North Korea? Do you know what happens then? Tens of thousands, potentially many, many more, die in South Korea and Japan, not to mention Guam and any and everywhere else North Korea could hit with both conventional and nuclear weapons. Such tough leadership! Why didn't anyone think of this sooner?
I will absolutely grant you that Trump didn't create this mess, but he has managed to make it a hell of a lot worse. Fortunately, he's a bluffer and everyone knows his, and if pushed he'll back down (see: Comey tapes, Healthcare, firing Mueller-though he could still do that of course, Obama wiretapping him).
Yeh Assad found out just how much of a bluffer President Trump is ! President Trump wasn't the one firing intimidating missiles every few weeks and threatening to hit America with a nuclear war head. But you want him to continue to tickle Kim's belly whilst continuing the soft diplomatic route that has led us to this dangerous situation. Diplomacy has been tried, it has failed, can you not see that? The bloke has developed nuclear weapons and is threatening your country, but you blame your democratically elected President. A despot like Kim does not understand diplomacy, hopefully he might understand tough talk more. Just perhaps tough talk can sometimes be highly effective, there's a concept eh! Southern border illegal immigration down over 70% under President Trumps leadership. Not because the wall has been constructed, but because of President Trumps tough rhetoric and implementation of border security, people are no longer taking the risk. Tough talk! As for all the Mueller stuff, 10 months and still nothing, Manafort is the closest you've come. Trump junior releases his entire email trail, whilst Hillary deletes 33,000 of hers, uses bleachbit, smashes her blackbury's with hammers, her staff plead the fifth under interrorgation, but heh, no problem, let's continue going after Trump. The Clinton Campaign meet with Ukrainians at the Ukrainian embassy in order to collect dirt on the Trump campaign, but heh, that's fine, ignore that. The FBI (under Comey) and the justice dept collude in an effort to coverup the Tarmac meeting between Loretta Lynch and Bill Clinton. First they insist there are no relevent documents. Then it transpires that there are over 400, but when they are finally released under FOI, all the important bits, including the "talking points" have been redacted ! More to come on this one, I've heard it said that Hillary is trying to negotiate a plea bargain. Trump will stand or fall on one thing, the economy. People are sick of all the Russian collusion stuff. Trust in the media is at an all time low because they are seeing that it is a total beat up. Chuck Schumer came close to admitting as much a couple of weeks ago, when he said the election wasn't lost because of Russia, it was lost because of their policies, or lack of, finally some honest reflection from the democrats! The fact is, the jobless rate is at a 16 year low, the stock market is at an all time high. Jobs are returning as manufacturing ramps up and regulations are reduced. People's 401k's are booming, GDP is at 2.6% matching the highest ever achieved by Obamma during his entire 8 years in office. You can plug away as much as you want denigrating your President, but if the economy continues to improve, he will be re elected and the policies that you hate so much, will be accepted by an ever increasing number of the the American people.
Yeh Assad found out just how much of a bluffer President Trump is !
He bombed a few buildings on an airfield not before warning the Russians. Sure he was petrified.
President Trump wasn't the one firing intimidating missiles every few weeks and threatening to hit America with a nuclear war head. But you want him to continue to tickle Kim's belly whilst continuing the soft diplomatic route that has led us to this dangerous situation. Diplomacy has been tried, it has failed, can you not see that? The bloke has developed nuclear weapons and is threatening your country, but you blame your democratically elected President. A despot like Kim does not understand diplomacy, hopefully he might understand tough talk more. Just perhaps tough talk can sometimes be highly effective, there's a concept eh!
Southern border illegal immigration down over 70% under President Trumps leadership. Not because the wall has been constructed, but because of President Trumps tough rhetoric and implementation of border security, people are no longer taking the risk. Tough talk!
As for all the Mueller stuff, 10 months and still nothing, Manafort is the closest you've come. Trump junior releases his entire email trail, whilst Hillary deletes 33,000 of hers, uses bleachbit, smashes her blackbury's with hammers, her staff plead the fifth under interrorgation, but heh, no problem, let's continue going after Trump. The Clinton Campaign meet with Ukrainians at the Ukrainian embassy in order to collect dirt on the Trump campaign, but heh, that's fine, ignore that. The FBI (under Comey) and the justice dept collude in an effort to coverup the Tarmac meeting between Loretta Lynch and Bill Clinton. First they insist there are no revelevant documents. Then it transpires that there are over 400, but when they are finally released under FOI, all the important bits, including the "talking points" have been redacted ! More to come on this one, I've heard it said that Hillary is trying to negotiate a plea bargain.
Love that you are like "Manafort is all you have." There was a pre-dawn raid on his house despite him being served a subpoena. I don't know that Trump or Manafort colluded with Russia. In fact I've long said I don't think Trump did personally. But TRUMP'S FORMER CAMPAIGN MANAGER HAD HIS HOUSE RAIDED AT DAWN. That's not nothing.
Mueller was appointed three months ago. These investigations can sometimes take years, though given his increases in hiring it's clear this is ramping up not down. Doesn't mean there's collusion there, or any crime, just that there's an ongoing investigation.
Also, Loretta Lynch recused herself from that investigation
Trump will stand or fall on one thing, the economy. People are sick of all the Russian collusion stuff. Trust in the media is at an all time low because they are seeing that it is a total beat up. Chuck Schumer came close to admitting as much a couple of weeks ago, when he said the election wasn't lost because of Russia, it was lost because of their policies, or lack of, finally some honest reflection from the democrats! The fact is, the jobless rate is at a 16 year low, the stock market is at an all time high. Jobs are returning as manufacturing ramps up and regulations are reduced. People's 401k's are booming. You can plug away as much as you want denigrating your President, but if the economy continues to improve, he will be re elected.
There is no love lost between myself and Chuck Schumer or the Democrats, and him and Pelosi trying to lead a new economic populist message is laughable.
The economy is good, and yet his approval hovers around 37%. And the improvement in the stock market and economy roughly follow the trends of the last few years. Trump hasn't had a budget yet, he's still working under Obama's last budget. I'd venture that with his complete rollback on regulations of the financial sector, environmental protections, etc., the stock market may remain good. But that wealth will concentrate at the top. That may be fine for you being a day trader or whatever it is you do. But for those of us who work for a living, the ones who Trump promised to help, that trickle down...well it never really trickles down.
https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/the-trump-job-market-looks-a-lot-like-the-obama-job-market/ "During last year’s presidential campaign, Donald Trump and his supporters predicted an economic boom if he won the White House; his critics warned of a recession. Instead, nearly six months into Trump’s presidency, the U.S. economy is … fine. Consumers report being more confident, but their actual spending hasn’t accelerated. The stock market has surged, but key industries, including retailers and auto manufacturers, are struggling. Overall economic growth, sticking to its pattern of recent years, was slow early in the year but has picked up a bit more recently."
Also, really loving those health care costs coming down and the expansion of coverage. Except here's the thing, this is all just a game to you. You weren't up until midnight a couple weeks ago wondering if you'd get the opportunity to pay for healthcare next year. You get to celebrate this President while having no skin in the game, no consequences.
It's not even a debate with you, it's just fact checking the nonsense you get from the President and Fox News. In fact, it's really just Fox News because that's where the President gets his information too. You bore me.
I think it's more about self preservation for Kim, having seen what happened to Saddam & Gaddafi in countries that were prevented from acquiring nuclear weapons. The pertinent question should be, how the hell was he allowed to get to this point? The answer of course is, he has managed to do so, as a result of piss weak leadership in the West. President Trump is now in the unenviable position of trying to deal with this problem largely created by the inaction of previous administrations. Same with ISIS, another war that we are finally starting to win, thanks to his tough leadership. Ironic really that the usual suspects try to pin the blame on President Trump when he is finally taking the tough stance that should have been adopted years ago. Prevention is always better than cure! Yours sincerely, the only President Trump supporter on CL
It's like reading President Trump's twitter feed!
So tell me, where does this tough stance lead? And how will it end? Military action? Raining "fire and fury" down upon North Korea? Do you know what happens then? Tens of thousands, potentially many, many more, die in South Korea and Japan, not to mention Guam and any and everywhere else North Korea could hit with both conventional and nuclear weapons. Such tough leadership! Why didn't anyone think of this sooner?
I will absolutely grant you that Trump didn't create this mess, but he has managed to make it a hell of a lot worse. Fortunately, he's a bluffer and everyone knows his, and if pushed he'll back down (see: Comey tapes, Healthcare, firing Mueller-though he could still do that of course, Obama wiretapping him).
Yeh Assad found out just how much of a bluffer President Trump is ! President Trump wasn't the one firing intimidating missiles every few weeks and threatening to hit America with a nuclear war head. But you want him to continue to tickle Kim's belly whilst continuing the soft diplomatic route that has led us to this dangerous situation. Diplomacy has been tried, it has failed, can you not see that? The bloke has developed nuclear weapons and is threatening your country, but you blame your democratically elected President. A despot like Kim does not understand diplomacy, hopefully he might understand tough talk more. Just perhaps tough talk can sometimes be highly effective, there's a concept eh! Southern border illegal immigration down over 70% under President Trumps leadership. Not because the wall has been constructed, but because of President Trumps tough rhetoric and implementation of border security, people are no longer taking the risk. Tough talk! As for all the Mueller stuff, 10 months and still nothing, Manafort is the closest you've come. Trump junior releases his entire email trail, whilst Hillary deletes 33,000 of hers, uses bleachbit, smashes her blackbury's with hammers, her staff plead the fifth under interrorgation, but heh, no problem, let's continue going after Trump. The Clinton Campaign meet with Ukrainians at the Ukrainian embassy in order to collect dirt on the Trump campaign, but heh, that's fine, ignore that. The FBI (under Comey) and the justice dept collude in an effort to coverup the Tarmac meeting between Loretta Lynch and Bill Clinton. First they insist there are no revelevant documents. Then it transpires that there are over 400, but when they are finally released under FOI, all the important bits, including the "talking points" have been redacted ! More to come on this one, I've heard it said that Hillary is trying to negotiate a plea bargain. Trump will stand or fall on one thing, the economy. People are sick of all the Russian collusion stuff. Trust in the media is at an all time low because they are seeing that it is a total beat up. Chuck Schumer came close to admitting as much a couple of weeks ago, when he said the election wasn't lost because of Russia, it was lost because of their policies, or lack of, finally some honest reflection from the democrats! The fact is, the jobless rate is at a 16 year low, the stock market is at an all time high. Jobs are returning as manufacturing ramps up and regulations are reduced. People's 401k's are booming. You can plug away as much as you want denigrating your President, but if the economy continues to improve, he will be re elected.
I am amazed that you think the President of one of the most powerful countries on the planet that said "who thought healthcare would be so complicated?" can be trusted with the nuclear codes. He contradicts himself the majority of the time. Trump said, since the 6 months he has been in office, he has strengthened Americas nuclear arsenal and yet you can check this for yourself and find out it is not true. And then he comes out and says he wants to "de-nuke" other countries. Can you not see these are the thoughts of a not very reasonably thinking man? Thankfully there are some sensible and mature people around him like Mattis to diffuse Trumps sensationalist remarks. Not sure what any of the other talking points have got to do with the North Korea situation either but, as @SDAddick has pointed out, most of them can be fact checked and discredited. You make him sound like the saviour of the world yet he is just another power hungry wannabe dictator who can't even be bothered to put in the time or work to fulfill that role.
I think it's more about self preservation for Kim, having seen what happened to Saddam & Gaddafi in countries that were prevented from acquiring nuclear weapons. The pertinent question should be, how the hell was he allowed to get to this point? The answer of course is, he has managed to do so, as a result of piss weak leadership in the West. President Trump is now in the unenviable position of trying to deal with this problem largely created by the inaction of previous administrations. Same with ISIS, another war that we are finally starting to win, thanks to his tough leadership. Ironic really that the usual suspects try to pin the blame on President Trump when he is finally taking the tough stance that should have been adopted years ago. Prevention is always better than cure! Yours sincerely, the only President Trump supporter on CL
The war against ISIS was being won before Trump gained office.
I don't have a great issue with him making threats towards North Korea though - They are acting very provocatively. I would prefer if he drew the line in the sand as clearly as possible though.
I think it's more about self preservation for Kim, having seen what happened to Saddam & Gaddafi in countries that were prevented from acquiring nuclear weapons. The pertinent question should be, how the hell was he allowed to get to this point? The answer of course is, he has managed to do so, as a result of piss weak leadership in the West. President Trump is now in the unenviable position of trying to deal with this problem largely created by the inaction of previous administrations. Same with ISIS, another war that we are finally starting to win, thanks to his tough leadership. Ironic really that the usual suspects try to pin the blame on President Trump when he is finally taking the tough stance that should have been adopted years ago. Prevention is always better than cure! Yours sincerely, the only President Trump supporter on CL
wtf is this
It's called an opposing view pal. They are still permitted in a democracy I believe!
I think it's more about self preservation for Kim, having seen what happened to Saddam & Gaddafi in countries that were prevented from acquiring nuclear weapons. The pertinent question should be, how the hell was he allowed to get to this point? The answer of course is, he has managed to do so, as a result of piss weak leadership in the West. President Trump is now in the unenviable position of trying to deal with this problem largely created by the inaction of previous administrations. Same with ISIS, another war that we are finally starting to win, thanks to his tough leadership. Ironic really that the usual suspects try to pin the blame on President Trump when he is finally taking the tough stance that should have been adopted years ago. Prevention is always better than cure! Yours sincerely, the only President Trump supporter on CL
It's like reading President Trump's twitter feed!
So tell me, where does this tough stance lead? And how will it end? Military action? Raining "fire and fury" down upon North Korea? Do you know what happens then? Tens of thousands, potentially many, many more, die in South Korea and Japan, not to mention Guam and any and everywhere else North Korea could hit with both conventional and nuclear weapons. Such tough leadership! Why didn't anyone think of this sooner?
I will absolutely grant you that Trump didn't create this mess, but he has managed to make it a hell of a lot worse. Fortunately, he's a bluffer and everyone knows his, and if pushed he'll back down (see: Comey tapes, Healthcare, firing Mueller-though he could still do that of course, Obama wiretapping him).
Yeh Assad found out just how much of a bluffer President Trump is ! President Trump wasn't the one firing intimidating missiles every few weeks and threatening to hit America with a nuclear war head. But you want him to continue to tickle Kim's belly whilst continuing the soft diplomatic route that has led us to this dangerous situation. Diplomacy has been tried, it has failed, can you not see that? The bloke has developed nuclear weapons and is threatening your country, but you blame your democratically elected President. A despot like Kim does not understand diplomacy, hopefully he might understand tough talk more. Just perhaps tough talk can sometimes be highly effective, there's a concept eh! Southern border illegal immigration down over 70% under President Trumps leadership. Not because the wall has been constructed, but because of President Trumps tough rhetoric and implementation of border security, people are no longer taking the risk. Tough talk! As for all the Mueller stuff, 10 months and still nothing, Manafort is the closest you've come. Trump junior releases his entire email trail, whilst Hillary deletes 33,000 of hers, uses bleachbit, smashes her blackbury's with hammers, her staff plead the fifth under interrorgation, but heh, no problem, let's continue going after Trump. The Clinton Campaign meet with Ukrainians at the Ukrainian embassy in order to collect dirt on the Trump campaign, but heh, that's fine, ignore that. The FBI (under Comey) and the justice dept collude in an effort to coverup the Tarmac meeting between Loretta Lynch and Bill Clinton. First they insist there are no revelevant documents. Then it transpires that there are over 400, but when they are finally released under FOI, all the important bits, including the "talking points" have been redacted ! More to come on this one, I've heard it said that Hillary is trying to negotiate a plea bargain. Trump will stand or fall on one thing, the economy. People are sick of all the Russian collusion stuff. Trust in the media is at an all time low because they are seeing that it is a total beat up. Chuck Schumer came close to admitting as much a couple of weeks ago, when he said the election wasn't lost because of Russia, it was lost because of their policies, or lack of, finally some honest reflection from the democrats! The fact is, the jobless rate is at a 16 year low, the stock market is at an all time high. Jobs are returning as manufacturing ramps up and regulations are reduced. People's 401k's are booming. You can plug away as much as you want denigrating your President, but if the economy continues to improve, he will be re elected.
I am amazed that you think the President of one of the most powerful countries on the planet that said "who thought healthcare would be so complicated?" can be trusted with the nuclear codes. He contradicts himself the majority of the time. Trump said, since the 6 months he has been in office, he has strengthened Americas nuclear arsenal and yet you can check this for yourself and find out it is not true. And then he comes out and says he wants to "de-nuke" other countries. Can you not see these are the thoughts of a not very reasonably thinking man? Thankfully there are some sensible and mature people around him like Mattis to diffuse Trumps sensationalist remarks. Not sure what any of the other talking points have got to do with the North Korea situation either but, as @SDAddick has pointed out, most of them can be fact checked and discredited. You make him sound like the saviour of the world yet he is just another power hungry wannabe dictator who can't even be bothered to put in the time or work to fulfill that role.
I think it's more about self preservation for Kim, having seen what happened to Saddam & Gaddafi in countries that were prevented from acquiring nuclear weapons. The pertinent question should be, how the hell was he allowed to get to this point? The answer of course is, he has managed to do so, as a result of piss weak leadership in the West. President Trump is now in the unenviable position of trying to deal with this problem largely created by the inaction of previous administrations. Same with ISIS, another war that we are finally starting to win, thanks to his tough leadership. Ironic really that the usual suspects try to pin the blame on President Trump when he is finally taking the tough stance that should have been adopted years ago. Prevention is always better than cure! Yours sincerely, the only President Trump supporter on CL
It's like reading President Trump's twitter feed!
So tell me, where does this tough stance lead? And how will it end? Military action? Raining "fire and fury" down upon North Korea? Do you know what happens then? Tens of thousands, potentially many, many more, die in South Korea and Japan, not to mention Guam and any and everywhere else North Korea could hit with both conventional and nuclear weapons. Such tough leadership! Why didn't anyone think of this sooner?
I will absolutely grant you that Trump didn't create this mess, but he has managed to make it a hell of a lot worse. Fortunately, he's a bluffer and everyone knows his, and if pushed he'll back down (see: Comey tapes, Healthcare, firing Mueller-though he could still do that of course, Obama wiretapping him).
Yeh Assad found out just how much of a bluffer President Trump is ! President Trump wasn't the one firing intimidating missiles every few weeks and threatening to hit America with a nuclear war head. But you want him to continue to tickle Kim's belly whilst continuing the soft diplomatic route that has led us to this dangerous situation. Diplomacy has been tried, it has failed, can you not see that? The bloke has developed nuclear weapons and is threatening your country, but you blame your democratically elected President. A despot like Kim does not understand diplomacy, hopefully he might understand tough talk more. Just perhaps tough talk can sometimes be highly effective, there's a concept eh! Southern border illegal immigration down over 70% under President Trumps leadership. Not because the wall has been constructed, but because of President Trumps tough rhetoric and implementation of border security, people are no longer taking the risk. Tough talk! As for all the Mueller stuff, 10 months and still nothing, Manafort is the closest you've come. Trump junior releases his entire email trail, whilst Hillary deletes 33,000 of hers, uses bleachbit, smashes her blackbury's with hammers, her staff plead the fifth under interrorgation, but heh, no problem, let's continue going after Trump. The Clinton Campaign meet with Ukrainians at the Ukrainian embassy in order to collect dirt on the Trump campaign, but heh, that's fine, ignore that. The FBI (under Comey) and the justice dept collude in an effort to coverup the Tarmac meeting between Loretta Lynch and Bill Clinton. First they insist there are no revelevant documents. Then it transpires that there are over 400, but when they are finally released under FOI, all the important bits, including the "talking points" have been redacted ! More to come on this one, I've heard it said that Hillary is trying to negotiate a plea bargain. Trump will stand or fall on one thing, the economy. People are sick of all the Russian collusion stuff. Trust in the media is at an all time low because they are seeing that it is a total beat up. Chuck Schumer came close to admitting as much a couple of weeks ago, when he said the election wasn't lost because of Russia, it was lost because of their policies, or lack of, finally some honest reflection from the democrats! The fact is, the jobless rate is at a 16 year low, the stock market is at an all time high. Jobs are returning as manufacturing ramps up and regulations are reduced. People's 401k's are booming. You can plug away as much as you want denigrating your President, but if the economy continues to improve, he will be re elected.
I am amazed that you think the President of one of the most powerful countries on the planet that said "who thought healthcare would be so complicated?" can be trusted with the nuclear codes. He contradicts himself the majority of the time. Trump said, since the 6 months he has been in office, he has strengthened Americas nuclear arsenal and yet you can check this for yourself and find out it is not true. And then he comes out and says he wants to "de-nuke" other countries. Can you not see these are the thoughts of a not very reasonably thinking man? Thankfully there are some sensible and mature people around him like Mattis to diffuse Trumps sensationalist remarks. Not sure what any of the other talking points have got to do with the North Korea situation either but, as @SDAddick has pointed out, most of them can be fact checked and discredited. You make him sound like the saviour of the world yet he is just another power hungry wannabe dictator who can't even be bothered to put in the time or work to fulfill that role.
I'm amazed you don't know what a dictator is.
Trumps silence on Turkish presidents abuse of power says a lot if you ask me. His silence in Erdogan thugs beating up protesters on American soil says a lot.
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Nobody other than Kim is cock waving.
Maybe Paulie's nan can confirm?
I think assuming the North Koreans are happy is a lazy assumption. All the signs are that they are an opressed people. Opressed by a regime that is adept at opression.
Those that are not living hand to mouth are the privileged party members and their families who are also oppressed with the fear that not doing as they are told will result in either prison, death or abject poverty. Those in the military are well looked after for obvious reasons. I doubt many in these three groups will have any idea of what's going on in the real world. They will have been brainwashed just like the generations before have been.
The only ones in North Korean society that will know what's going on will be the inteligencia and high ranking officials. Unless the uprising starts with the military I can't see any real threat to Kim Jong-Un. If on the other hand the generals are not happy with the leader then he will at some point be gone.
That's our western view projected on other countries. I'm not convinced it's true.
People have needs. I doubt if many in NK care about democracy. They want food, water and shelter. Once people have those, and security, then they start thinking about things like democracy. But as we've seen in the Middle East, jump from dictatorship to democracy without addressing peoples needs and you end up with anarchy.
to this now:
Meanwhile in the Guardian
President Trump is now in the unenviable position of trying to deal with this problem largely created by the inaction of previous administrations. Same with ISIS, another war that we are finally starting to win, thanks to his tough leadership.
Ironic really that the usual suspects try to pin the blame on President Trump when he is finally taking the tough stance that should have been adopted years ago. Prevention is always better than cure!
Yours sincerely, the only President Trump supporter on CL
So tell me, where does this tough stance lead? And how will it end? Military action? Raining "fire and fury" down upon North Korea? Do you know what happens then? Tens of thousands, potentially many, many more, die in South Korea and Japan, not to mention Guam and any and everywhere else North Korea could hit with both conventional and nuclear weapons. Such tough leadership! Why didn't anyone think of this sooner?
Now, on the ISIS thing. Yes, thank God Trump came in and started the push toward Mosul...no wait, that was the Obama Administration. Of course he did start airstrikes that have largely limit ISIS to Raqqa...nope that was Obama again. To his credit, Trump hasn't managed to undo any of that. So that's...something.
And to his credit he's had to work against some pretty tough people. Like his own National Security Advisor, who went against arming Kurdish forces for the assault on Raqqa. That same national security advisor who, wait for it, wait for it, was in the pay of the Turkish government, the Kurds' sworn enemies. But to be fair to the Administration they didn't know Flynn was an agent of Turkey, oh, no, wait, they did.
But that's okay, I'm sure Trump's 30 day plan to defeat ISIS will kick in any day now.
I will absolutely grant you that Trump didn't create this mess, but he has managed to make it a hell of a lot worse. Fortunately, he's a bluffer and everyone knows his, and if pushed he'll back down (see: Comey tapes, Healthcare, firing Mueller-though he could still do that of course, Obama wiretapping him).
President Trump wasn't the one firing intimidating missiles every few weeks and threatening to hit America with a nuclear war head. But you want him to continue to tickle Kim's belly whilst continuing the soft diplomatic route that has led us to this dangerous situation. Diplomacy has been tried, it has failed, can you not see that? The bloke has developed nuclear weapons and is threatening your country, but you blame your democratically elected President. A despot like Kim does not understand diplomacy, hopefully he might understand tough talk more.
Just perhaps tough talk can sometimes be highly effective, there's a concept eh!
Southern border illegal immigration down over 70% under President Trumps leadership. Not because the wall has been constructed, but because of President Trumps tough rhetoric and implementation of border security, people are no longer taking the risk. Tough talk!
As for all the Mueller stuff, 10 months and still nothing, Manafort is the closest you've come.
Trump junior releases his entire email trail, whilst Hillary deletes 33,000 of hers, uses bleachbit, smashes her blackbury's with hammers, her staff plead the fifth under interrorgation, but heh, no problem, let's continue going after Trump.
The Clinton Campaign meet with Ukrainians at the Ukrainian embassy in order to collect dirt on the Trump campaign, but heh, that's fine, ignore that.
The FBI (under Comey) and the justice dept collude in an effort to coverup the Tarmac meeting between Loretta Lynch and Bill Clinton. First they insist there are no relevent documents. Then it transpires that there are over 400, but when they are finally released under FOI, all the important bits, including the "talking points" have been redacted ! More to come on this one, I've heard it said that Hillary is trying to negotiate a plea bargain.
Trump will stand or fall on one thing, the economy. People are sick of all the Russian collusion stuff. Trust in the media is at an all time low because they are seeing that it is a total beat up. Chuck Schumer came close to admitting as much a couple of weeks ago, when he said the election wasn't lost because of Russia, it was lost because of their policies, or lack of, finally some honest reflection from the democrats!
The fact is, the jobless rate is at a 16 year low, the stock market is at an all time high. Jobs are returning as manufacturing ramps up and regulations are reduced. People's 401k's are booming, GDP is at 2.6% matching the highest ever achieved by Obamma during his entire 8 years in office.
You can plug away as much as you want denigrating your President, but if the economy continues to improve, he will be re elected and the policies that you hate so much, will be accepted by an ever increasing number of the the American people.
He bombed a few buildings on an airfield not before warning the Russians. Sure he was petrified.
President Trump wasn't the one firing intimidating missiles every few weeks and threatening to hit America with a nuclear war head. But you want him to continue to tickle Kim's belly whilst continuing the soft diplomatic route that has led us to this dangerous situation. Diplomacy has been tried, it has failed, can you not see that? The bloke has developed nuclear weapons and is threatening your country, but you blame your democratically elected President. A despot like Kim does not understand diplomacy, hopefully he might understand tough talk more.
Just perhaps tough talk can sometimes be highly effective, there's a concept eh!
Every President has tried versions of this. None of them have improvised it or been so silly about it.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/08/11/from-trump-to-clinton-how-us-presidents-have-dealt-with-north-korea.html
Southern border illegal immigration down over 70% under President Trumps leadership. Not because the wall has been constructed, but because of President Trumps tough rhetoric and implementation of border security, people are no longer taking the risk. Tough talk!
Christ you even write like him.
Don't know where you got that 70% number, but since the first couple months of the administration illegal immigration is on the rise again.
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/jun/11/illegal-immigration-across-southwest-border-increa/
As for all the Mueller stuff, 10 months and still nothing, Manafort is the closest you've come.
Trump junior releases his entire email trail, whilst Hillary deletes 33,000 of hers, uses bleachbit, smashes her blackbury's with hammers, her staff plead the fifth under interrorgation, but heh, no problem, let's continue going after Trump.
The Clinton Campaign meet with Ukrainians at the Ukrainian embassy in order to collect dirt on the Trump campaign, but heh, that's fine, ignore that.
The FBI (under Comey) and the justice dept collude in an effort to coverup the Tarmac meeting between Loretta Lynch and Bill Clinton. First they insist there are no revelevant documents. Then it transpires that there are over 400, but when they are finally released under FOI, all the important bits, including the "talking points" have been redacted ! More to come on this one, I've heard it said that Hillary is trying to negotiate a plea bargain.
I know I know and Seth Rich was killed to silence him for leaking the DNC emails. It's really sad that you believe "Hilary is negotiating a plea deal."
http://www.snopes.com/was-hillary-clinton-offered-a-plea-deal-in-server-investigation-in-august-2017/
Love that you are like "Manafort is all you have." There was a pre-dawn raid on his house despite him being served a subpoena. I don't know that Trump or Manafort colluded with Russia. In fact I've long said I don't think Trump did personally. But TRUMP'S FORMER CAMPAIGN MANAGER HAD HIS HOUSE RAIDED AT DAWN. That's not nothing.
Mueller was appointed three months ago. These investigations can sometimes take years, though given his increases in hiring it's clear this is ramping up not down. Doesn't mean there's collusion there, or any crime, just that there's an ongoing investigation.
Also, Loretta Lynch recused herself from that investigation
On the Hilary-Ukraine stuff, it's bullshit:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checker/wp/2017/07/25/the-white-houses-facile-comparison-of-the-trump-russia-and-clinton-ukraine-stories/?utm_term=.e26b12172d3d
Trump will stand or fall on one thing, the economy. People are sick of all the Russian collusion stuff. Trust in the media is at an all time low because they are seeing that it is a total beat up. Chuck Schumer came close to admitting as much a couple of weeks ago, when he said the election wasn't lost because of Russia, it was lost because of their policies, or lack of, finally some honest reflection from the democrats!
The fact is, the jobless rate is at a 16 year low, the stock market is at an all time high. Jobs are returning as manufacturing ramps up and regulations are reduced. People's 401k's are booming. You can plug away as much as you want denigrating your President, but if the economy continues to improve, he will be re elected.
There is no love lost between myself and Chuck Schumer or the Democrats, and him and Pelosi trying to lead a new economic populist message is laughable.
The economy is good, and yet his approval hovers around 37%. And the improvement in the stock market and economy roughly follow the trends of the last few years. Trump hasn't had a budget yet, he's still working under Obama's last budget. I'd venture that with his complete rollback on regulations of the financial sector, environmental protections, etc., the stock market may remain good. But that wealth will concentrate at the top. That may be fine for you being a day trader or whatever it is you do. But for those of us who work for a living, the ones who Trump promised to help, that trickle down...well it never really trickles down.
https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/the-trump-job-market-looks-a-lot-like-the-obama-job-market/
"During last year’s presidential campaign, Donald Trump and his supporters predicted an economic boom if he won the White House; his critics warned of a recession. Instead, nearly six months into Trump’s presidency, the U.S. economy is … fine. Consumers report being more confident, but their actual spending hasn’t accelerated. The stock market has surged, but key industries, including retailers and auto manufacturers, are struggling. Overall economic growth, sticking to its pattern of recent years, was slow early in the year but has picked up a bit more recently."
Also, really loving those health care costs coming down and the expansion of coverage. Except here's the thing, this is all just a game to you. You weren't up until midnight a couple weeks ago wondering if you'd get the opportunity to pay for healthcare next year. You get to celebrate this President while having no skin in the game, no consequences.
It's not even a debate with you, it's just fact checking the nonsense you get from the President and Fox News. In fact, it's really just Fox News because that's where the President gets his information too. You bore me.
Theyve won the World Cup every year it's been on since he was in charge
I don't have a great issue with him making threats towards North Korea though - They are acting very provocatively. I would prefer if he drew the line in the sand as clearly as possible though.
Trump isn't a dictator but then again neither is he a very good president.