Spoke to BT earlier, there was a lot of faffing about as I am another Sky/BT Broadband customer. The lady on the phone didn't know and neither did her manager. Eventually someone told me to ring back in a few week's time but they didn't think they would need my viewing card number. Somehow, by magic I take it, BT will know that I am a Sky customer and the channels will automatically appear come August.
This is news to me, as a BT Infinity customer I'm really pleased about it.
Someone asked about infinity and if it was worth it, I'd definitely say yes. I get 30-35Mb download and 7Mb upload, I have three children all using the internet, sometimes all at once, I never get lags and rarely have problems with it. The wireless BT hub is awesome too. It's not a lot more than other services, I took the phone packages too and the total cost for me went down while the service got massively better.
Apparently the service does not start until August but, when it does you'll be able to view online with their "player", I'll be able to follow my Scottish team Ross County because they also cover SPL. I know there are those that follow Rangers on here, up to 10 Rangers games are also included.
Can anyone clear this up for me? I have Sky+ HD in 2 rooms but I have BT broadband. Does this therefore mean I get BT Sport for free? I just don't want to get my hopes up.
My recent experience of Sky customer service has been pretty poor.
Our landline was out of action - couldn't get a dial tone or hear incoming calls as the lone was so crackly; the broadband was okay though. My mobile had poor reception at home so I didn't want to phone and therefore used email as my means of communicating with Sky. Despite numerous emails they failed to respond to most.
We were without the landline for a week and they've offered us £5 credit. In view of the lack of response their customer services showed while the line was out of action, I am currently asking for more but as yet have had no response.
Yeah it does mate. The logic being that you connect that box to your existing dish. Give it an internet connection and tell it to find a particular address. The address basically tricks the box into thinking it has a valid card installed. You do however pay the internet site provider a yearly fee (around £100). This will then give you everything. Don't know how far to go with this conversation, so best leave it there. Inbox me if you need to know anything else. Mind you, it is easy enough to search.
38 games against Sky's 118. No Football league, no Champions League, no HD, no 3D, no cricket, no US golf, no Super League, no ATP tennis, no excellent Sky dramas and comedies. The list goes on. I had BT vision and Sky. I dumped BT as a whole and now have Sky phone and broadband. I had the super fast BT infinity broadband, yes it was very quick but so prone to going down. When it goes down so does your TV. Sky broadband is very good, certainly quick enough for the normal person, landline is cheaper too. Also Sky On-Demand via Sky Broadband is excellent. All the i-players on your telly rather than PC or tablet. Then of course there is Sky Go, fantastic!
Choosing your TV provider is not just about Premiership football.
No, it is about money. Never had sky so not ripped off by them, you can usually track down Charlton matches somewhere on tinternet.
You've never had Sky? Well how can you comment about being "ripped off"? I've had Sky since 1989 and what a transformation it has been since then! I do not think I have ever been ripped off. The quality of the output, service and tech back up is simply brilliant. BT could learn a lot about customer service from Sky.
Well I certainly don't feel ripped off by the BBC, and they don't try to bombard me with adverts. Someone above said their package was about £100 a month. Sounds a lot to me, but just a fragment of John Terrys wages.
Article on MCN says Virgin customers will NOT be able to get the BT channels, this has really pee'd me off as I love Motogp, especially the Eurosport coverage, nowhere to watch it now unless i change from Virgin, really gets my goat!
I think JiMMy 85 has hit the nail on the head and he works for Sky. BT have the financial muscle, client base and the will to make this work. Look at Sky now and look back or remember some of the earlier years and see the huge strides they have made in terms of coverage and analysis/commentators/presenters. No successful business stands still and they certainly haven't.
However, their evolution has been aided as much by having competition as anything else. In the case of Setanta and ESPN (BT are picking up a couple of the ESPN channels as well I believe), they have seen them off. I do think that BT will be around for the long term and all signs are that they are starting with a broad base of sports and quality presenters. They may be cumbersome to start, but so were Sky and I am sure they'll get there.
That can only be good for us as consumers (choice and price) and I am sure it will drive Sky on again to improve on their own service. From a personal point of view, as mentioned earlier, I may drop my own Sky Sports package, as I will receive BT Sport as part of my broadband deal. That's nothing against Sky or even to do with finances. It's, for me, simply about an overload of sport available and the time I am around indoors to view it.
I think you are right that BT will go all out to make a success of this. Looking at it from their strategic business perspective, it is the major growth vehicle for their revenue line. BT have been open to competition since 1980 and have been privatised since 1984. In that time they have done very well to protect their market share and limit revenue decline, but from a once monopoly position, with price and anti-competition regulation the tightest in the world and with the massive growth in mobile communications their revenue line has long been under extreme pressure. They have diversified into adjacent markets and grown their international business enormously, but in the UK things are very tough. They have made huge cost reductions and improved their processes to continue to grow their profits and generate better cash flow but they have to do SOMETHING to create growth in the UK business. Step forward BT Vision, and, like Sky, use sport as the major attraction to gain a slice of the market. The executives driving this are very sharp cookies and I have no doubt they will be a serious competitor to Sky. Great for us customers.
If you attend football regularly then there's no point in subscribing. That's because Sky have the rights to the Sunday and Monday games leaving BT with saturday lunchtime or the 5.30 slot when most people are either in the pub or travelling to/from a game.
I don't see much else that BT have that will convince people to subscribe. I don't have ESPN and i don't think there's ever been a game on that i've thought "i wish i'd subscribed for this". Plus in this day and age anyone with half a brain can find a decent quality link to watch it free online anyway.
In short, i don't see Sky have that much to worry about.
Can anyone clear this up for me? I have Sky+ HD in 2 rooms but I have BT broadband. Does this therefore mean I get BT Sport for free? I just don't want to get my hopes up.
If you attend football regularly then there's no point in subscribing. That's because Sky have the rights to the Sunday and Monday games leaving BT with saturday lunchtime or the 5.30 slot when most people are either in the pub or travelling to/from a game.
I don't see much else that BT have that will convince people to subscribe. I don't have ESPN and i don't think there's ever been a game on that i've thought "i wish i'd subscribed for this". Plus in this day and age anyone with half a brain can find a decent quality link to watch it free online anyway.
In short, i don't see Sky have that much to worry about.
It is good news to some extent in that instead of one big beast Sky there will be two big beasts.
I am sure this is a great strategic move for BT but for the punters I wonder....
BT has a huge share of the telephony market still after the years of "open market competition". It has by its dominance of that market been able to secure a dominant position in the broadband market despite is prices being significantly higher for broadband than any of its competition.
After any buy in early sweeteners I pay only £6.99 a month for unlimited broadband upto 24mbs (we get about 14mbs here which is much more than enough to stream video simultaneously on 3 laptops.)
We can also get access to the BT fibre network in the area (not where I live yet) without having to get it from BT for less than BT charge.
For those BT Broadband customers already paying too much for their broadband then getting the footie "free" is a no brainer. Not so for those who would have to switch to BT and pay a lot more than they currently pay.
I am very wary of the shambles that is likely to ensue if things are not as technically good as the rhetoric. That is certainly the case if you Google BT problems. BT Vision has been extremely disappointing in pretty much all aspects and there customer service is an omnishambles in my experience.
Finally watch for some major challenges to BT's dominent position in the telecoms market through Ofcom and the regulators by Talk Talk and other broadband suppliers. Use of the fibre optic network run by BT Openreach is meant to be not rigged in BT's favour. They will almost certainly be forced to offer BT sport to other broadband platforms in due course. Only then will proper transparent competition arise.
I have sky in 3 upstairs rooms and the living room
If i wanted the same i guess i would have to buy 4 boxes but only 1 internet subscription
I guess so. Give them a bell. Let me know how you get on. Whether each box has a unique Internet number thingy or not, I don't know. What I do know is that it works, and that a number of people have it.
Will do mate need ro reduce the outgoings so if i can pay in a one off what u would pay in 9 months plus then the following year pay the 50 quid subscription per box i reckon i get a years tv virtually free abd you cant not look into that
We have a sat outlett store down the road might pop in there aswell
I am sure this is a great strategic move for BT but for the punters I wonder....
BT has a huge share of the telephony market still after the years of "open market competition". It has by its dominance of that market been able to secure a dominant position in the broadband market despite is prices being significantly higher for broadband than any of its competition.
We can also get access to the BT fibre network in the area (not where I live yet) without having to get it from BT for less than BT charge.
I am very wary of the shambles that is likely to ensue if things are not as technically good as the rhetoric. That is certainly the case if you Google BT problems. BT Vision has been extremely disappointing in pretty much all aspects and there customer service is an omnishambles in my experience.
Finally watch for some major challenges to BT's dominent position in the telecoms market through Ofcom and the regulators by Talk Talk and other broadband suppliers. Use of the fibre optic network run by BT Openreach is meant to be not rigged in BT's favour. They will almost certainly be forced to offer BT sport to other broadband platforms in due course. Only then will proper transparent competition arise.
Bing - I work for BT but am no slave to them and am a very loyal Sky Customer. BT's telephony market has been shredded in the last thirty years and all the cream skimmed off by competitors aided by the Regulator. BT's share of voice is actually growing again, which should tell you something.
The fact that you can still use the BT fibre network at a cost lower than BT can provide it also tells you of the success of the Regulator. I sense you are pleased to be able to ride that fibre network.
In common with most other Telcom companies, BT's Customer Service has been it's Achilles Heel but a massive amount of work has gone into this and I can assure it's much better than it's ever been. BT have been delivering mass TV through Vision over 6 years now and the platform is pretty stable nowadays. If you Google any mass service provider you will find loads of horror stories and the bigger the provider the more you will find by-and-large.
I think you will find that as far as the BT Sport adventure is concerned, the Regulator will be far more of a help to BT than a hinderance. Having said that, I will wait and see before jumping ship from Sky. It's a great product but you pay for it. BT Sport will bring a lot more television than just 38 Premier League picks and it will attack the market from the bottom up, not top down.
Can anyone clear this up for me? I have Sky+ HD in 2 rooms but I have BT broadband. Does this therefore mean I get BT Sport for free? I just don't want to get my hopes up.
If you have sky broadband it goes through exactly the same network as British Telecoms does so finding one better than the other tickles me
Now if you have sky, sky HD or sky multiroom you will need to log on to BT's website and enter the viewing card numbers of all your boxes and as long as you are a BT broadband/infinity customer you are good to go
By doing this as a sky customer you remove the risk of using the vision platform which could be improved
38 games against Sky's 118. No Football league, no Champions League, no HD, no 3D, no cricket, no US golf, no Super League, no ATP tennis, no excellent Sky dramas and comedies. The list goes on. I had BT vision and Sky. I dumped BT as a whole and now have Sky phone and broadband. I had the super fast BT infinity broadband, yes it was very quick but so prone to going down. When it goes down so does your TV. Sky broadband is very good, certainly quick enough for the normal person, landline is cheaper too. Also Sky On-Demand via Sky Broadband is excellent. All the i-players on your telly rather than PC or tablet. Then of course there is Sky Go, fantastic!
Choosing your TV provider is not just about Premiership football.
No, it is about money. Never had sky so not ripped off by them, you can usually track down Charlton matches somewhere on tinternet.
You've never had Sky? Well how can you comment about being "ripped off"? I've had Sky since 1989 and what a transformation it has been since then! I do not think I have ever been ripped off. The quality of the output, service and tech back up is simply brilliant. BT could learn a lot about customer service from Sky.
Well I certainly don't feel ripped off by the BBC, and they don't try to bombard me with adverts. Someone above said their package was about £100 a month. Sounds a lot to me, but just a fragment of John Terrys wages.
The BBC don't bombard you with adverts? Well you obviously don't watch BBC TV or listen to BBC Radio. Constant adverts and trailers for their own programmes, especially on radio. Anyway, what is your point? Where does ripping off come into it? Who said anything about getting ripped off?
It's a shame BT don't realise the Championship is one of the most popular leagues in the World and go down the ITV sport route. Then in time we could have a TV package for the benefit of the 92, not just the Premiership.
Is the Championship really marketable beyond England? Unless it's the playoffs, then I'm not really interested in watching any one else in our league. Even Prem games I'm watching less of.
If you attend football regularly then there's no point in subscribing. That's because Sky have the rights to the Sunday and Monday games leaving BT with saturday lunchtime or the 5.30 slot when most people are either in the pub or travelling to/from a game.
I don't see much else that BT have that will convince people to subscribe. I don't have ESPN and i don't think there's ever been a game on that i've thought "i wish i'd subscribed for this". Plus in this day and age anyone with half a brain can find a decent quality link to watch it free online anyway.
In short, i don't see Sky have that much to worry about.
this is the camp I'm in, just changed my broadband from BT to sky as well as they gave it to me free for a year....am not bothered about the Saturday games as I'm either in the pub watching them if we are at home or doing other things
It's a shame BT don't realise the Championship is one of the most popular leagues in the World and go down the ITV sport route. Then in time we could have a TV package for the benefit of the 92, not just the Premiership.
Yeah that really worked out for ITV Digital! The lower leagues might be well attended, but that doesn't mean there's enough people left outside fo the stadium who care enough to watch on TV.
It's a shame BT don't realise the Championship is one of the most popular leagues in the World and go down the ITV sport route. Then in time we could have a TV package for the benefit of the 92, not just the Premiership.
Yeah that really worked out for ITV Digital! The lower leagues might be well attended, but that doesn't mean there's enough people left outside fo the stadium who care enough to watch on TV.
Not quite the same though.
ITV digital had limited capital available but still massively overpaid for the FL rights - paid far more than they were worth.
Second, ITV Digital were using digital terrestrial TV rather than IPTV, DTT is OK if you are in a good reception area but there are lots of 'gaps' in coverage areas which caused big reception problems.
Running pay TV over DTT is a very risky option because you can't guarantee quality.
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Standard BT customer service right there.
Someone asked about infinity and if it was worth it, I'd definitely say yes. I get 30-35Mb download and 7Mb upload, I have three children all using the internet, sometimes all at once, I never get lags and rarely have problems with it. The wireless BT hub is awesome too. It's not a lot more than other services, I took the phone packages too and the total cost for me went down while the service got massively better.
Apparently the service does not start until August but, when it does you'll be able to view online with their "player", I'll be able to follow my Scottish team Ross County because they also cover SPL. I know there are those that follow Rangers on here, up to 10 Rangers games are also included.
Our landline was out of action - couldn't get a dial tone or hear incoming calls as the lone was so crackly; the broadband was okay though. My mobile had poor reception at home so I didn't want to phone and therefore used email as my means of communicating with Sky. Despite numerous emails they failed to respond to most.
We were without the landline for a week and they've offered us £5 credit. In view of the lack of response their customer services showed while the line was out of action, I am currently asking for more but as yet have had no response.
The logic being that you connect that box to your existing dish. Give it an internet connection and tell it to find a particular address.
The address basically tricks the box into thinking it has a valid card installed.
You do however pay the internet site provider a yearly fee (around £100).
This will then give you everything.
Don't know how far to go with this conversation, so best leave it there.
Inbox me if you need to know anything else. Mind you, it is easy enough to search.
Someone above said their package was about £100 a month. Sounds a lot to me, but just a fragment of John Terrys wages.
I don't see much else that BT have that will convince people to subscribe. I don't have ESPN and i don't think there's ever been a game on that i've thought "i wish i'd subscribed for this". Plus in this day and age anyone with half a brain can find a decent quality link to watch it free online anyway.
In short, i don't see Sky have that much to worry about.
I have sky in 3 upstairs rooms and the living room
If i wanted the same i guess i would have to buy 4 boxes but only 1 internet subscription
I am sure this is a great strategic move for BT but for the punters I wonder....
BT has a huge share of the telephony market still after the years of "open market competition". It has by its dominance of that market been able to secure a dominant position in the broadband market despite is prices being significantly higher for broadband than any of its competition.
After any buy in early sweeteners I pay only £6.99 a month for unlimited broadband upto 24mbs (we get about 14mbs here which is much more than enough to stream video simultaneously on 3 laptops.)
We can also get access to the BT fibre network in the area (not where I live yet) without having to get it from BT for less than BT charge.
For those BT Broadband customers already paying too much for their broadband then getting the footie "free" is a no brainer. Not so for those who would have to switch to BT and pay a lot more than they currently pay.
I am very wary of the shambles that is likely to ensue if things are not as technically good as the rhetoric. That is certainly the case if you Google BT problems. BT Vision has been extremely disappointing in pretty much all aspects and there customer service is an omnishambles in my experience.
Finally watch for some major challenges to BT's dominent position in the telecoms market through Ofcom and the regulators by Talk Talk and other broadband suppliers. Use of the fibre optic network run by BT Openreach is meant to be not rigged in BT's favour. They will almost certainly be forced to offer BT sport to other broadband platforms in due course. Only then will proper transparent competition arise.
Whether each box has a unique Internet number thingy or not, I don't know.
What I do know is that it works, and that a number of people have it.
We have a sat outlett store down the road might pop in there aswell
The fact that you can still use the BT fibre network at a cost lower than BT can provide it also tells you of the success of the Regulator. I sense you are pleased to be able to ride that fibre network.
In common with most other Telcom companies, BT's Customer Service has been it's Achilles Heel but a massive amount of work has gone into this and I can assure it's much better than it's ever been. BT have been delivering mass TV through Vision over 6 years now and the platform is pretty stable nowadays. If you Google any mass service provider you will find loads of horror stories and the bigger the provider the more you will find by-and-large.
I think you will find that as far as the BT Sport adventure is concerned, the Regulator will be far more of a help to BT than a hinderance. Having said that, I will wait and see before jumping ship from Sky. It's a great product but you pay for it. BT Sport will bring a lot more television than just 38 Premier League picks and it will attack the market from the bottom up, not top down.
Now if you have sky, sky HD or sky multiroom you will need to log on to BT's website and enter the viewing card numbers of all your boxes and as long as you are a BT broadband/infinity customer you are good to go
By doing this as a sky customer you remove the risk of using the vision platform which could be improved
Anyway, what is your point? Where does ripping off come into it? Who said anything about getting ripped off?
ITV digital had limited capital available but still massively overpaid for the FL rights - paid far more than they were worth.
Second, ITV Digital were using digital terrestrial TV rather than IPTV, DTT is OK if you are in a good reception area but there are lots of 'gaps' in coverage areas which caused big reception problems.
Running pay TV over DTT is a very risky option because you can't guarantee quality.