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Of course hypothetically the Sith could be in it, they just won't meet any Jedi and if they do no one gets out alive. Eg Vernestra or Sol turn out to be Sith and kills everyone.JiMMy 85 said:Sith can be in it without the Jedi knowing. That was the case in TPM after all. Plagueis and his master are alive in this era so I'd be surprised if they didn't go in that direction. I've only seen the first ep which I quite liked, so need to catch up.
Originally I thought Qimir was Plagueis.
I've watched all three episodes and found it rather predictable and full of plot holes. I'll watch it all, but right now my enjoyment level is three out of ten.3 -
That’s just Disney Star Wars, besides Andor and The Mandalorian . I’ve only seen clips of Acolyte but it looks almost embarrassing, the witch chanting would have made me turn it off.PopIcon said:
Of course hypothetically the Sith could be in it, they just won't meet any Jedi and if they do no one gets out alive. Eg Vernestra or Sol turn out to be Sith and kills everyone.JiMMy 85 said:Sith can be in it without the Jedi knowing. That was the case in TPM after all. Plagueis and his master are alive in this era so I'd be surprised if they didn't go in that direction. I've only seen the first ep which I quite liked, so need to catch up.
Originally I thought Qimir was Plagueis.
I've watched all three episodes and found it rather predictable and full of plot holes. I'll watch it all, but right now my enjoyment level is three out of ten.0 -
Watched episode IV when it came out in the cinema & even watch it now when it's on. Classic film. Got confused watching some of the later ones & I have remarked on here before that I don't understand Obi Wan's comment in IV that he never owned a drone.....when in one of the newer ones he is sitting with R2D2 in a fighter.
As an aside, Michael Parkinsons interview with Alec Guinness was on tv last week & always good to hear his anecdotes about how he came to be in the first one.0 -
I always find it amusing that most of Peter Cushing's scenes were shot with him wearing a comfy pair of carpet slippers, as the military style boots he was given were too uncomfortable. Lucas agreed to shoot him from the waist up in most scenes.golfaddick said:Watched episode IV when it came out in the cinema & even watch it now when it's on. Classic film. Got confused watching some of the later ones & I have remarked on here before that I don't understand Obi Wan's comment in IV that he never owned a drone.....when in one of the newer ones he is sitting with R2D2 in a fighter.
As an aside, Michael Parkinsons interview with Alec Guinness was on tv last week & always good to hear his anecdotes about how he came to be in the first one.3 -
I'm not sure I agree entirely with this, think about the end of Rogue One. That doesn't have the Disney polish. Also, they've bought in Leslye Headland, who done a great job on Netflix's series Russian Doll. That's what makes me think we're building up to something unexpected and may explain the clunkiness.ElliotCAFC said:
That’s just Disney Star Wars, besides Andor and The Mandalorian . I’ve only seen clips of Acolyte but it looks almost embarrassing, the witch chanting would have made me turn it off.PopIcon said:
Of course hypothetically the Sith could be in it, they just won't meet any Jedi and if they do no one gets out alive. Eg Vernestra or Sol turn out to be Sith and kills everyone.JiMMy 85 said:Sith can be in it without the Jedi knowing. That was the case in TPM after all. Plagueis and his master are alive in this era so I'd be surprised if they didn't go in that direction. I've only seen the first ep which I quite liked, so need to catch up.
Originally I thought Qimir was Plagueis.
I've watched all three episodes and found it rather predictable and full of plot holes. I'll watch it all, but right now my enjoyment level is three out of ten.
As much as it pains me to agree with you Golfie, this is a hard hard to get around. Apparently it's explained in one of the Star Wars novels, that Ben Kenobi was pretending not recognise R2D2. A bit like how Vader doesn't recognise C3PO, a droid he built!golfaddick said:Watched episode IV when it came out in the cinema & even watch it now when it's on. Classic film. Got confused watching some of the later ones & I have remarked on here before that I don't understand Obi Wan's comment in IV that he never owned a drone.....when in one of the newer ones he is sitting with R2D2 in a fighter.
As an aside, Michael Parkinsons interview with Alec Guinness was on tv last week & always good to hear his anecdotes about how he came to be in the first one.
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The explanation I've always heard is that, whilst Jedi don't lie, the truth you hear isn't always the truth they've spoken. Obi Wan says he can't ever recall owning a droid. There is no evidence he ever "owned" R2D2. Obviously he served with him/her/it many times, but did he actually ever own R2D2, not that I can recall.
The C3PO thing is also possibly explained away. Again I'm testing my memory severely here, but there's an obvious reason Vader wouldn't recognise C3PO on sight, all the protocol droids we see on screen are the same design, only varying by colour somewhat. Robots don't interact with the force in anyway, so unless referred to by name, C3PO is just one of potentially millions of gold protocol droids.1 -
Agree regarding Rogue One, the ending was fantastic. Although I’m not sure it’s worth all the retconning and hollow scripts that are pumped out to keep the cash cow alive.PopIcon said:
I'm not sure I agree entirely with this, think about the end of Rogue One. That doesn't have the Disney polish. Also, they've bought in Leslye Headland, who done a great job on Netflix's series Russian Doll. That's what makes me think we're building up to something unexpected and may explain the clunkiness.ElliotCAFC said:
That’s just Disney Star Wars, besides Andor and The Mandalorian . I’ve only seen clips of Acolyte but it looks almost embarrassing, the witch chanting would have made me turn it off.PopIcon said:
Of course hypothetically the Sith could be in it, they just won't meet any Jedi and if they do no one gets out alive. Eg Vernestra or Sol turn out to be Sith and kills everyone.JiMMy 85 said:Sith can be in it without the Jedi knowing. That was the case in TPM after all. Plagueis and his master are alive in this era so I'd be surprised if they didn't go in that direction. I've only seen the first ep which I quite liked, so need to catch up.
Originally I thought Qimir was Plagueis.
I've watched all three episodes and found it rather predictable and full of plot holes. I'll watch it all, but right now my enjoyment level is three out of ten.
As much as it pains me to agree with you Golfie, this is a hard hard to get around. Apparently it's explained in one of the Star Wars novels, that Ben Kenobi was pretending not recognise R2D2. A bit like how Vader doesn't recognise C3PO, a droid he built!golfaddick said:Watched episode IV when it came out in the cinema & even watch it now when it's on. Classic film. Got confused watching some of the later ones & I have remarked on here before that I don't understand Obi Wan's comment in IV that he never owned a drone.....when in one of the newer ones he is sitting with R2D2 in a fighter.
As an aside, Michael Parkinsons interview with Alec Guinness was on tv last week & always good to hear his anecdotes about how he came to be in the first one.
Hopefully The Acolyte will be brilliant and I’ll check it out once it’s done, but it does strike me as a generic sci-fi series with a Star Wars filter over it.0 -
Went downhill after Empire strikes back4
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What boxes are being ticked?DaveMehmet said:
Same here, have enjoyed the first 2 episodes. Takes box ticking to a whole new level though.Rizzo said:I'm tentatively enjoying it so far. It's no Andor yet, but that was quite a slow burner so maybe it will come into its own as the series goes on.0 -
Industry diversity quota.JiMMy 85 said:
What boxes are being ticked?DaveMehmet said:
Same here, have enjoyed the first 2 episodes. Takes box ticking to a whole new level though.Rizzo said:I'm tentatively enjoying it so far. It's no Andor yet, but that was quite a slow burner so maybe it will come into its own as the series goes on.
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I'm asking for specifics. Who is it that is in there for no other reason than to fill a diversity quota?1
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I've just watched the 3rd episode
The two mothers is a box tick, not one I mind but the way its been at this stage shoehorned in is cheap. In my opinion
The cast is diverse which I have no problem with, what I said on the new TV series thread was that it was very noticeable. My biggest problem thus far is we are 3 episodes in and as we don't know who any of the characters are at the start I don't see that we are any better off than after the 1st episode, the pace feels rushed yet nothing has happened, we were just shown what was spoken about in the first 2 episodes. I think it was probably created, written and filmed at peak metoo and BLM and the producers were trying to blow the way social winds were blowing at the time. I dont think its shit because of it, I just don't like it when this sort of thing is done as a "look at us, look at how inclusive we are" which is what it feels like to me
I use Ashoka as the direct case for comparison. Pretty much all the leads barring Ray Stevenson are female and its an afterthought in terms of the story, which I thought was really good. Rosario Dawson was awesome, as was the girl who played Shin, not to mention Sabine and Ray Stevenson stole every scene he was in. It was a quality production from start to finish. This, at the moment is a bit wobbly and light which is possibly why people are noticing the diverse nature of the cast as opposed to being intrigued by the storyline0 -
Well I would love all this nerdy chat, wouldn’t I…
The Acolyte needs a gear shift in terms of suspense and importance. At the moment I don’t care a jot about any of the characters - after 3 episodes! Hope it picks up.1 -
Martin Freeman put it better than I can when he was promoting Black Panther, he got ribbed and jostled by various interviewers as being the only whiteboy on the promotional material and he was pretty classy about it. He essentially smiled and acknowledged the obvious diverse cast for a film like that but sensibly said "aside from that, it has to be good" and he is right.0
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I don't mean to put words in your mouth Carter, especially as I agree with most things you say so just to be clear - from what you said in your your last two comments, it sounds like you're saying it has to be good to justify casting non-white, heterosexual males. Have I missed something there?0
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Ha, this is why people like Martin Freeman are better suited to have these discussions than me. What I mean is attention to storytelling, action sequences, dialogue is more important than virtue signalling via diversity casting, thats the Carter take.JiMMy 85 said:I don't mean to put words in your mouth Carter, especially as I agree with most things you say so just to be clear - from what you said in your your last two comments, it sounds like you're saying it has to be good to justify casting non-white, heterosexual males. Have I missed something there?
What I think he (Tim from the office, Bilbo, Dr John Watson etc) was getting at regarding Black Panther was, yes this is a big thing and it is right the winds of change are blowing the right way now, it has to be good though else it is all for nothing. And Black Panther was a class film. Top Boy I could probably point at too off the top of my head.
Its a tricky subject and I'm aware of what strikes me as agenda driven hatred for The Acolyte online picking on the casting. Its not the casting I take issue with per se, its the wafty storyline, so far, and my acknowledgement of the diverse cast that I suspect was done from a not entirely healthy place by producers, mostly grey haired, old, white people who want to be seen as diverse, progressive and inclusive whilst being anything but that.
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For what its worth, my favourite character from all things star wars is Chewbacca closely followed by Darth Maul so reading too deeply into my words of wisdom on diversity or importance of storytelling when one of them speaks gibberish to all of us and the other has perhaps 2 lines in the phantom menace and a blink and you'll miss it cameo with maybe the same amount of lines in the han solo film.
What I'm getting at and I think what Martin Freeman is getting at is before knickers getting twisted around getting social winds being second guessed on big productions like star wars spin offs or Marvel productions is that they need to be good and entertaining before anything else0 -
This new show highlights the lack of diversity in the first three films. From memory the only on screen black actor in the original trilogy was Billy Dee Williams and other than Leia there were hardly any women either.0
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On the subject of Star Wars, thank God we got this voice over.
https://x.com/VisionaryVoid/status/1801917521446281380?t=d5lkcBCvXHRbbvjTyw3f5Q&s=19
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Interesting reading the lack of love for the pre-quels. Have Revenge of the Sith down as one of my favourite Star Wars entries, and think the Phantom Menace is a classic. The first Star Wars I saw on the big screen and love it as a result. Great music score, good action scenes and one of the most iconic villains of all time in Darth Maul.
Newer stuff a bit bit and miss, can't say I'm a fan of any of the newer films, Rogue One is decent but that's about it. As for the spin-off series, haven't watched them all yet but enjoyed Mandalorian and thought the final episode of Obi-Wan was really good.
Not a fan of the Acolyte so far and the lead actress seems a bit of a prat off the show.1 - Sponsored links:
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The consensus view of the prequel trilogy is changing as time goes on. Lucas has stated that his films were made for children. Those who were children when they first saw the prequels have a very different view of them to those of us who, myself included, were adults. We viewed them in comparison to the original trilogy which we in turn saw when we were children, and to us they simply didn't measure up. To kids who saw the prequels however, that's their Star Wars. I dare say that kids who watch the sequel trilogy will also view them more favorably than us adults.Braziliance said:Interesting reading the lack of love for the pre-quels. Have Revenge of the Sith down as one of my favourite Star Wars entries, and think the Phantom Menace is a classic. The first Star Wars I saw on the big screen and love it as a result. Great music score, good action scenes and one of the most iconic villains of all time in Darth Maul.
Newer stuff a bit bit and miss, can't say I'm a fan of any of the newer films, Rogue One is decent but that's about it. As for the spin-off series, haven't watched them all yet but enjoyed Mandalorian and thought the final episode of Obi-Wan was really good.
Not a fan of the Acolyte so far and the lead actress seems a bit of a prat off the show.
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On the subject of the newer stuff I’d recommend giving Andor a watch. Very different to the other series’ and does a great job of blurring the lines between who the “good” and “bad” guys are.Braziliance said:Interesting reading the lack of love for the pre-quels. Have Revenge of the Sith down as one of my favourite Star Wars entries, and think the Phantom Menace is a classic. The first Star Wars I saw on the big screen and love it as a result. Great music score, good action scenes and one of the most iconic villains of all time in Darth Maul.
Newer stuff a bit bit and miss, can't say I'm a fan of any of the newer films, Rogue One is decent but that's about it. As for the spin-off series, haven't watched them all yet but enjoyed Mandalorian and thought the final episode of Obi-Wan was really good.
Not a fan of the Acolyte so far and the lead actress seems a bit of a prat off the show.4 -
I'd actually say that, even though I watched the prequels as an adult, they are gradually growing on me (but then, I think that some of the best Star Wars stuff comes out of the animated series, and they really help with understanding/enjoying Ahsoka).Rizzo said:
The consensus view of the prequel trilogy is changing as time goes on. Lucas has stated that his films were made for children. Those who were children when they first saw the prequels have a very different view of them to those of us who, myself included, were adults. We viewed them in comparison to the original trilogy which we in turn saw when we were children, and to us they simply didn't measure up. To kids who saw the prequels however, that's their Star Wars. I dare say that kids who watch the sequel trilogy will also view them more favorably than us adults.Braziliance said:Interesting reading the lack of love for the pre-quels. Have Revenge of the Sith down as one of my favourite Star Wars entries, and think the Phantom Menace is a classic. The first Star Wars I saw on the big screen and love it as a result. Great music score, good action scenes and one of the most iconic villains of all time in Darth Maul.
Newer stuff a bit bit and miss, can't say I'm a fan of any of the newer films, Rogue One is decent but that's about it. As for the spin-off series, haven't watched them all yet but enjoyed Mandalorian and thought the final episode of Obi-Wan was really good.
Not a fan of the Acolyte so far and the lead actress seems a bit of a prat off the show.
Mind you, I normally wait until a series ends before watching it through in one sitting.0 -
It is a good point tbf, I was 8 when I saw TPM and was well into Star Wars, had watched the original trilogy a load of times, had all the toys etc, so it was all just pretty magical for me. I wasn't grown up/smart enough to notice any of the films imperfections. I liked Jar Jar, I didn't find the dialogue cringe, I didn't notice the CGI. Three things heavily criticised.Rizzo said:
The consensus view of the prequel trilogy is changing as time goes on. Lucas has stated that his films were made for children. Those who were children when they first saw the prequels have a very different view of them to those of us who, myself included, were adults. We viewed them in comparison to the original trilogy which we in turn saw when we were children, and to us they simply didn't measure up. To kids who saw the prequels however, that's their Star Wars. I dare say that kids who watch the sequel trilogy will also view them more favorably than us adults.Braziliance said:Interesting reading the lack of love for the pre-quels. Have Revenge of the Sith down as one of my favourite Star Wars entries, and think the Phantom Menace is a classic. The first Star Wars I saw on the big screen and love it as a result. Great music score, good action scenes and one of the most iconic villains of all time in Darth Maul.
Newer stuff a bit bit and miss, can't say I'm a fan of any of the newer films, Rogue One is decent but that's about it. As for the spin-off series, haven't watched them all yet but enjoyed Mandalorian and thought the final episode of Obi-Wan was really good.
Not a fan of the Acolyte so far and the lead actress seems a bit of a prat off the show.
I'm now 33 but even now none of those things bother me. I think the older I get, the less critical I become about films and just try to enjoy them for what they are, already plenty critical enough in other aspects of life 😂
It is on the list. It is interesting because when you pay attention to the films, you start to realise the jedi aren't as ''good'' as they appear.NorthStandDan said:
On the subject of the newer stuff I’d recommend giving Andor a watch. Very different to the other series’ and does a great job of blurring the lines between who the “good” and “bad” guys are.Braziliance said:Interesting reading the lack of love for the pre-quels. Have Revenge of the Sith down as one of my favourite Star Wars entries, and think the Phantom Menace is a classic. The first Star Wars I saw on the big screen and love it as a result. Great music score, good action scenes and one of the most iconic villains of all time in Darth Maul.
Newer stuff a bit bit and miss, can't say I'm a fan of any of the newer films, Rogue One is decent but that's about it. As for the spin-off series, haven't watched them all yet but enjoyed Mandalorian and thought the final episode of Obi-Wan was really good.
Not a fan of the Acolyte so far and the lead actress seems a bit of a prat off the show.
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I enjoyed the prequels, probably more than the original ones as the effects were leagues better and the original ones I was just a tickle in my dads nutbag for. I also liked the fights which is ultimately why I watch anything star wars related, limbs and heads being lightsabred off0
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Andor is an excellent series and in keeping with Rogue One’s tone. The slightly slower pace really helps the producers develop the characters.Mandalorian proves that an unknown SW character can become a winning formula, while the story telling is as good as ‘baby yoda’ is cute… The drawing in of characters such as Bo-Katan and Boba Fett was smart and really enjoyable to watch. My droid from TROS features in this show - will mean nothing to any of you but I sat there and exhaled - WTAFF - that’s my droid 🤣Book of Boba Fett - just not up to Jon Favreau’s usual high standards. I would describe it as more comic book to screen than any of the other Star Wars series. It pays a lot of lip service, the only aspect of which peaked my interest was the appearance of Black Krrsantan.
Obi-Wan - if you ever wanted to understand what old Ben was doing with himself on Tatooine (he stayed on Tatooine - really..?) for those 18 or so years awaiting Luke’s growing up, you get a decent sense of it through this series and it is pretty damn good after a slowish start, less one episode that has as many plot holes as a Swiss cheese. Without giving too much away, lightsaber duels ✅ , how Leia got to know Ben from a young age ✅ and the Inquisitors brought to live action from their Rebels series outings ✅.Ahsoka - very biased as I love this character, so hard to remain objective, but fair to say I really liked the fact that it drew in Rebels (animated series) characters and introduced Grand Admiral Thrawn to live action too. The latter character was very well performed, albeit his facial structure was imperfect for those of us who know what to expect.The Rebels animated series is one I would watch and stick with - shorter than the clone wars (equally great), as it provides for useful background information on afterlife in the Force etc. which helps other stuff in series make more sense.2 -
What do you mean by your droid appeared in the show?Pavoren007 said:Andor is an excellent series and in keeping with Rogue One’s tone. The slightly slower pace really helps the producers develop the characters.Mandalorian proves that an unknown SW character can become a winning formula, while the story telling is as good as ‘baby yoda’ is cute… The drawing in of characters such as Bo-Katan and Boba Fett was smart and really enjoyable to watch. My droid from TROS features in this show - will mean nothing to any of you but I sat there and exhaled - WTAFF - that’s my droid 🤣Book of Boba Fett - just not up to Jon Favreau’s usual high standards. I would describe it as more comic book to screen than any of the other Star Wars series. It pays a lot of lip service, the only aspect of which peaked my interest was the appearance of Black Krrsantan.
Obi-Wan - if you ever wanted to understand what old Ben was doing with himself on Tatooine (he stayed on Tatooine - really..?) for those 18 or so years awaiting Luke’s growing up, you get a decent sense of it through this series and it is pretty damn good after a slowish start, less one episode that has as many plot holes as a Swiss cheese. Without giving too much away, lightsaber duels ✅ , how Leia got to know Ben from a young age ✅ and the Inquisitors brought to live action from their Rebels series outings ✅.Ahsoka - very biased as I love this character, so hard to remain objective, but fair to say I really liked the fact that it drew in Rebels (animated series) characters and introduced Grand Admiral Thrawn to live action too. The latter character was very well performed, albeit his facial structure was imperfect for those of us who know what to expect.The Rebels animated series is one I would watch and stick with - shorter than the clone wars (equally great), as it provides for useful background information on afterlife in the Force etc. which helps other stuff in series make more sense.
Have to agree re- Mando, he's a complete hit. One of my favourite things about the Mandolorian is the ending credits, I really appreciate the music and the concept art in the rolling credits. Just always ends the show really nicely for me and I appreciate good end credits as I think it's an important setup for the next episode of a series.3 -
Ive ordered binoculars specially!Mendonca In Asdas said:
It’s iin a galaxy, far far away.Hal1x said:Never seen any Star Wars.1 -
I think they screwed this up by trying to make Fett into a nice guy. He was trying to establish himself as an underworld crime boss but he refused to do anything...crime-y! They should have kept him as the badass from the original trilogy.Pavoren007 said:Book of Boba Fett - just not up to Jon Favreau’s usual high standards. I would describe it as more comic book to screen than any of the other Star Wars series. It pays a lot of lip service, the only aspect of which peaked my interest was the appearance of Black Krrsantan.
Then there was the 'mods' on their scooters, riding the rancor etc plus hijacking 2 episodes of the series to cram in Mandalorian Season 2.5. Not good but could have been brilliant.3 -
My astromech in the Rise of Skywalker appeared in the Mandalorian. I cannot show:put online the picture due the usual nda stuff, but can pm you a pic of the painting which was commissioned for me for my 50th from stills, on the proviso it is just to understand what I am on about and is not posted anywhere. The painting is wholly mine, but the rights to reproduction other than my use remain with him, so as I say would be FYEO. No biggie either way but will make a lot more sense..Braziliance said:
What do you mean by your droid appeared in the show?Pavoren007 said:Andor is an excellent series and in keeping with Rogue One’s tone. The slightly slower pace really helps the producers develop the characters.Mandalorian proves that an unknown SW character can become a winning formula, while the story telling is as good as ‘baby yoda’ is cute… The drawing in of characters such as Bo-Katan and Boba Fett was smart and really enjoyable to watch. My droid from TROS features in this show - will mean nothing to any of you but I sat there and exhaled - WTAFF - that’s my droid 🤣Book of Boba Fett - just not up to Jon Favreau’s usual high standards. I would describe it as more comic book to screen than any of the other Star Wars series. It pays a lot of lip service, the only aspect of which peaked my interest was the appearance of Black Krrsantan.
Obi-Wan - if you ever wanted to understand what old Ben was doing with himself on Tatooine (he stayed on Tatooine - really..?) for those 18 or so years awaiting Luke’s growing up, you get a decent sense of it through this series and it is pretty damn good after a slowish start, less one episode that has as many plot holes as a Swiss cheese. Without giving too much away, lightsaber duels ✅ , how Leia got to know Ben from a young age ✅ and the Inquisitors brought to live action from their Rebels series outings ✅.Ahsoka - very biased as I love this character, so hard to remain objective, but fair to say I really liked the fact that it drew in Rebels (animated series) characters and introduced Grand Admiral Thrawn to live action too. The latter character was very well performed, albeit his facial structure was imperfect for those of us who know what to expect.The Rebels animated series is one I would watch and stick with - shorter than the clone wars (equally great), as it provides for useful background information on afterlife in the Force etc. which helps other stuff in series make more sense.
Have to agree re- Mando, he's a complete hit. One of my favourite things about the Mandolorian is the ending credits, I really appreciate the music and the concept art in the rolling credits. Just always ends the show really nicely for me and I appreciate good end credits as I think it's an important setup for the next episode of a series.1
