You have to laugh - driving without a licence and then fleeing the scene of the offence has got nothing to do with mental health. In fact it’s an insult to people who do suffer with it.
How do you know Jordan Ibe does not have mental health issues that led him to act in the way he has? Mental Health issues can manifest themselves in many different ways, and it's quiet insulting to instantly dismiss someone based off your own prejudices.
Ok.
The geezer was pissed up and driving without a licence and lucky was lucky he didn’t kill anybody. I don’t know If he has mental health issues - but if he does, then it shouldn’t take driving in to a cafe window to make him do something about it. If he had killed somebody - would it have been alright to say “oh well never mind he’s got mental health issues”?
You have to laugh - driving without a licence and then fleeing the scene of the offence has got nothing to do with mental health. In fact it’s an insult to people who do suffer with it.
How do you know Jordan Ibe does not have mental health issues that led him to act in the way he has? Mental Health issues can manifest themselves in many different ways, and it's quiet insulting to instantly dismiss someone based off your own prejudices.
Ok.
The geezer was pissed up and driving without a licence and lucky was lucky he didn’t kill anybody. I don’t know If he has mental health issues - but if he does, then it shouldn’t take driving in to a cafe window to make him do something about it.
How many people have tried to commit suicide before facing their mental health issues? Sometimes it takes something drastic before you're finally able to admit you have a problem that needs professional help.
At the end of the day, do you think anyone really cares about Jordan Ibe at the moment. He could have quiet easily said nothing at all and no one would have even remembered what is going on, I certainly didn't before I read the article. But maybe in a time where mental health issues are particular in the spotlight because of our ongoing lockdown he wanted to mention something about it so other people would seek help if they needed it?
You have to laugh - driving without a licence and then fleeing the scene of the offence has got nothing to do with mental health. In fact it’s an insult to people who do suffer with it.
How do you know Jordan Ibe does not have mental health issues that led him to act in the way he has? Mental Health issues can manifest themselves in many different ways, and it's quiet insulting to instantly dismiss someone based off your own prejudices.
Ok.
The geezer was pissed up and driving without a licence and lucky was lucky he didn’t kill anybody. I don’t know If he has mental health issues - but if he does, then it shouldn’t take driving in to a cafe window to make him do something about it. If he had killed somebody - would it have been alright to say “oh well never mind he’s got mental health issues”?
When did anyone say that?
The point I am making here is that you originally said that Jordan Ibe claiming he has mental health issues 'is insulting to people who suffer from it' based of literally no understanding about the person himself. I can only assume because he is a young rich professional footballer that has been in trouble before, that you believe he cannot have mental health problems?
However I can tell you there are plenty of people of all ages and socio economic backgrounds who have drinks, drug, and other addiction issues that have only started to seek professional help after getting in serious trouble.
re comments people were making earlier in the year, do you really think driving without a license and thinking you can get away with it is the behaviour of a mentally well person? Sounds like some one in the mania stage of bi polar would do.
Football must be a really horrible arena to deal with mental health issues in. If you have mental health issues at your regular place of employment it will likely affect your work, and that might lead to some conversations in people's offices and hopefully some space for you to get better. When your work is football then on top of whatever you're dealing with you have to deal with various onlookers telling you you're 'shit' and you were never that good to begin with and the last people made a mistake when they hired you. On top of that you've got the knowledge that people will likely also laugh and ask what you've got to be depressed about with all your money if you decide to speak out about it. It must cause such a miserable additional strain to have a bunch of strangers turn on you and feed into the negative thoughts already swirling round in your head. I hope Derby support him well and he gets some distance until he's feeling better
re comments people were making earlier in the year, do you really think driving without a license and thinking you can get away with it is the behaviour of a mentally well person? Sounds like some one in the mania stage of bi polar would do.
Having driven his car into a shop and run away . Then apparently he without a licence and therefore no insurance I don't care if he is in a bad place. He can afford a chauffeur or taxis. The laws apply to him to.
In a bad place....plenty others in a worse place at this time. Needs a kick in the balls.
zzzz extremely old fashioned and deeply unhealthy way of looking at things.
His mental health is a reason, not an excuse for his bad behaviour.
re comments people were making earlier in the year, do you really think driving without a license and thinking you can get away with it is the behaviour of a mentally well person? Sounds like some one in the mania stage of bi polar would do.
He is admitting to some mental health issues.......but I would say it is a bit of a jump to suggest a link between that and his actions re the car incident without further evidence.
re comments people were making earlier in the year, do you really think driving without a license and thinking you can get away with it is the behaviour of a mentally well person? Sounds like some one in the mania stage of bi polar would do.
He is admitting to some mental health issues.......but I would say it is a bit of a jump to suggest a link between that and his actions re the car incident without further evidence.
i ask again, is what he did consistent with what a mentally healthy person would do?
A bit of sympathy for the guy is perhaps most appropriate at present rather than comment on past behaviour. Nobody knows where he is at and it sounds like he is struggling.
re comments people were making earlier in the year, do you really think driving without a license and thinking you can get away with it is the behaviour of a mentally well person? Sounds like some one in the mania stage of bi polar would do.
Having driven his car into a shop and run away . Then apparently he without a licence and therefore no insurance I don't care if he is in a bad place. He can afford a chauffeur or taxis. The laws apply to him to.
In a bad place....plenty others in a worse place at this time. Needs a kick in the balls.
What Jordan Ibe did re the car has no excuses but the above highlighted belongs in a different century when it comes to mental health. They are the thoughts of a dinosaur.
Someone admits publicly to suffering from depression - kick him in the balls as others are worse off. Jeez.
How is it reasonable people can come across as proper plonkers on here sometimes?
The car incident happened last year, leave it in 2020 unless he does similar in 21.
The guy is clearly struggling with his mental health now. He needs support from those that know him, his club and a trained professional.
This is as equally clear a call for help as I've ever seen from a depressed person.
How could anyone know if others are in a worse place right now? He might be minutes from taking his own life, or minutes from finding something that helps him get it back on track.
People very sympathetic about players will mental problems.
How did they get this way though? Maybe continuous abuse by fans doesn't help, eg Simon Francis, Morgan Fox, Omar Bogle where they get crucified over every error they make.
re comments people were making earlier in the year, do you really think driving without a license and thinking you can get away with it is the behaviour of a mentally well person? Sounds like some one in the mania stage of bi polar would do.
He is admitting to some mental health issues.......but I would say it is a bit of a jump to suggest a link between that and his actions re the car incident without further evidence.
i ask again, is what he did consistent with what a mentally healthy person would do?
Maybe yes...maybe no.
As far as I was aware, he crashed a car and scarpered?
Is that now benchmark activity for a mentally unhealthy state?
A bit of sympathy for the guy is perhaps most appropriate at present rather than comment on past behaviour. Nobody knows where he is at and it sounds like he is struggling.
Far too easy to judge sometimes.
And quite often the people who judge have been lucky enough not to have experienced depression and mental health issues.
If it's not their own experience perhaps some just don't understand?
I feel for him, but at the same time, I don’t think it was unreasonable to criticise him at the time of the driving incident. This new information gives context to his mindset and possibly explains some of his behaviour, but you can’t expect people not to criticise bad behaviour on the off chance there might be extenuating circumstances.
As an aside, I think it’s important to be balanced here. Ibe’s mental state may explain some of his actions, but it doesn’t excuse them. There’s an important difference. I have sympathy for him and hope he’s getting appropriate help, but he should own his mistakes regardless.
re comments people were making earlier in the year, do you really think driving without a license and thinking you can get away with it is the behaviour of a mentally well person? Sounds like some one in the mania stage of bi polar would do.
He is admitting to some mental health issues.......but I would say it is a bit of a jump to suggest a link between that and his actions re the car incident without further evidence.
Mental health disorders affect people in many different ways regardless of social and economic factors. Help can be offered and provided in many forms but it can take years until it is successful in even a small way.
The best approach to take when discussing the mental health of others is be kind and don’t judge, speculate or condemn.
How is it reasonable people can come across as proper plonkers on here sometimes?
The car incident happened last year, leave it in 2020 unless he does similar in 21.
The guy is clearly struggling with his mental health now. He needs support from those that know him, his club and a trained professional.
This is as equally clear a call for help as I've ever seen from a depressed person.
How could anyone know if others are in a worse place right now? He might be minutes from taking his own life, or minutes from finding something that helps him get it back on track.
Probably the same dickheads calling out maddison for his posts... another person who is clearly in need of a massive hug and some love.
This man's actions are despicable. He worked a coffee shop by reckless driving ..he was banned. He then drove again whilst disqualified. Suppose he he had killed someone in either incident. Would you then be so magnanimous about 'his' feelings. I doubt it.
This guy is one step below being another Lee Hughes who I remember was roundly jeered for the entire match when he turned up at the Valley for Notts County 8-10 years ago.
People who disagree with your views are not dickheads or old fashioned in their views.
As I said he is in a far better position than a lot of people far more deserving of sympathy and help than this bloke.
"jordan ibe could hang himself and i wouldn't care" - @addick1956
This man's actions are despicable. He worked a coffee shop by reckless driving ..he was banned. He then drove again whilst disqualified. Suppose he he had killed someone in either incident. Would you then be so magnanimous about 'his' feelings. I doubt it.
This guy is one step below being another Lee Hughes who I remember was roundly jeered for the entire match when he turned up at the Valley for Notts County 8-10 years ago.
People who disagree with your views are not dickheads or old fashioned in their views.
As I said he is in a far better position than a lot of people far more deserving of sympathy and help than this bloke.
You are stuck in 1956 as you keep proving. You seem to struggle with empathy.
This man's actions are despicable. He worked a coffee shop by reckless driving ..he was banned. He then drove again whilst disqualified. Suppose he he had killed someone in either incident. Would you then be so magnanimous about 'his' feelings. I doubt it.
This guy is one step below being another Lee Hughes who I remember was roundly jeered for the entire match when he turned up at the Valley for Notts County 8-10 years ago.
People who disagree with your views are not dickheads or old fashioned in their views.
As I said he is in a far better position than a lot of people far more deserving of sympathy and help than this bloke.
You are stuck in 1956 as you keep proving. You seem to struggle with empathy.
Of course I am...it has a better sense of moral value. Feeling sorry for an over paid footballer who tan drove away from a crime scene in Dorset to avoid facing up to his actions and leave the victim £38,000 out of pocket is not acceptable . If he had killed someone what then. The police proved it was his car because he lost a door mirror and was traced through that.
As I said Lee Hughes received dogs abuse after his act of cowardice .
It is not about empathy but moral compass. I can see you are unaware of that but there are people far worse off than this person. Far worse off.
How wealthy do you need to be before you don't deserve sympathy? Just trying to get a rough figure. Does a doctor get any sympathy? They can make a fair wedge. Or what about a League 2 player instead of one whose had Premier league wages? Who exactly does deserve sympathy?
I was in a very dark place early this year. I had a troubled childhood with a very troubled teenage years and felt i was slipping in too a place no one would want to be. I am well off , debt free,own my own house, YET something inside my head was wrong. No rhyme, no reason and i just wanted to run away, hide. Some times i felt overwhelmed, yet i am a senior civil servant with loads of responsibility. I had to deal with this on my own again as i had as a teenager. I didn't want sympathy i wanted space and time. Quiet and on my own at my own pace. I did not get it but was able to keep putting one foot in front of the other, and made it. Will it come back? i hope not! Sometimes people just need space and time.
I am sure had i had a problem, people would have said "what the f@*k was he thinking" the thing is you are not thinking straight, not because of drink, drugs, just because you are screwed up, and you have to deal with it on your own.
This man's actions are despicable. He worked a coffee shop by reckless driving ..he was banned. He then drove again whilst disqualified. Suppose he he had killed someone in either incident. Would you then be so magnanimous about 'his' feelings. I doubt it.
This guy is one step below being another Lee Hughes who I remember was roundly jeered for the entire match when he turned up at the Valley for Notts County 8-10 years ago.
People who disagree with your views are not dickheads or old fashioned in their views.
As I said he is in a far better position than a lot of people far more deserving of sympathy and help than this bloke.
You are stuck in 1956 as you keep proving. You seem to struggle with empathy.
Of course I am...it has a better sense of moral value. Feeling sorry for an over paid footballer who tan drove away from a crime scene in Dorset to avoid facing up to his actions and leave the victim £38,000 out of pocket is not acceptable . If he had killed someone what then. The police proved it was his car because he lost a door mirror and was traced through that.
As I said Lee Hughes received dogs abuse after his act of cowardice .
It is not about empathy but moral compass. I can see you are unaware of that but there are people far worse off than this person. Far worse off.
I've always found the most ignorant people to be the most judgmental. Your views on mental health are prehistoric - I hope nobody ever has the misfortune to rely on you for support.
I’m actually ashamed and embarrassed to read some of the comments on here.
This is one of the main reasons why people don’t come out about their mental health struggles.
The attitude you often find is unless it impacts you, you don’t care what others feel or if they’re in a more privileged position than the majority of us, you don’t care. That’s so wrong and makes me so angry and disappointed.
You can have all the money in the world but you still are human, you have feelings and events impact you.
You can have access to all the help available within the industry you find yourself in or have a good supporting network, but if you have any kind of understanding of depression, you would know it takes an incredible effort to be open and understand how you feel. Let alone seek help.
His mental health does not excuse his actions of the past but it allows an understanding of the place he was in to behave the way he did at the time.
I don’t wish depression on anyone. And I hope he gets the help he needs and is back to some form of himself in the near future.
This man's actions are despicable. He worked a coffee shop by reckless driving ..he was banned. He then drove again whilst disqualified. Suppose he he had killed someone in either incident. Would you then be so magnanimous about 'his' feelings. I doubt it.
This guy is one step below being another Lee Hughes who I remember was roundly jeered for the entire match when he turned up at the Valley for Notts County 8-10 years ago.
People who disagree with your views are not dickheads or old fashioned in their views.
As I said he is in a far better position than a lot of people far more deserving of sympathy and help than this bloke.
You are stuck in 1956 as you keep proving. You seem to struggle with empathy.
Of course I am...it has a better sense of moral value. Feeling sorry for an over paid footballer who tan drove away from a crime scene in Dorset to avoid facing up to his actions and leave the victim £38,000 out of pocket is not acceptable . If he had killed someone what then. The police proved it was his car because he lost a door mirror and was traced through that.
As I said Lee Hughes received dogs abuse after his act of cowardice .
It is not about empathy but moral compass. I can see you are unaware of that but there are people far worse off than this person. Far worse off.
How wealthy do you need to be before you don't deserve sympathy? Just trying to get a rough figure. Does a doctor get any sympathy? They can make a fair wedge. Or what about a League 2 player instead of one whose had Premier league wages? Who exactly does deserve sympathy?
This is not about wealth as you well know but he is in a much better position get afford guidance and help ..
I am not sympathetic to people who do as he did, that is true. I can't understand why you can find so much empathy for a person who runs away from his own actions, gets caught anyway , does a similar thing knowing he is banned and then seeks sympathy.
However there are people in a far worse position than this guy who has support and is not alone .
The ones who deserve help are those with no recourse to such help and guidance and without the wherewithal to do so.
Why are you so obsessed with celebrities who screw up and seek more attention?
He can get help yes. And from the sound of what he says, that's exactly what he's doing. That's hardly reprehensible.
Depression can affect absolutely anyone, regardless of wealth. Ask anyone who has suffered from it or has family or friends with the condition. Money and success are no comfort at all.
It's not for you or I to say who deserves help and support or not.
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At the end of the day, do you think anyone really cares about Jordan Ibe at the moment. He could have quiet easily said nothing at all and no one would have even remembered what is going on, I certainly didn't before I read the article. But maybe in a time where mental health issues are particular in the spotlight because of our ongoing lockdown he wanted to mention something about it so other people would seek help if they needed it?
The point I am making here is that you originally said that Jordan Ibe claiming he has mental health issues 'is insulting to people who suffer from it' based of literally no understanding about the person himself. I can only assume because he is a young rich professional footballer that has been in trouble before, that you believe he cannot have mental health problems?
However I can tell you there are plenty of people of all ages and socio economic backgrounds who have drinks, drug, and other addiction issues that have only started to seek professional help after getting in serious trouble.
His mental health is a reason, not an excuse for his bad behaviour.
Far too easy to judge sometimes.
Someone admits publicly to suffering from depression - kick him in the balls as others are worse off. Jeez.
The car incident happened last year, leave it in 2020 unless he does similar in 21.
The guy is clearly struggling with his mental health now. He needs support from those that know him, his club and a trained professional.
This is as equally clear a call for help as I've ever seen from a depressed person.
How could anyone know if others are in a worse place right now? He might be minutes from taking his own life, or minutes from finding something that helps him get it back on track.
How did they get this way though? Maybe continuous abuse by fans doesn't help, eg Simon Francis, Morgan Fox, Omar Bogle where they get crucified over every error they make.
As far as I was aware, he crashed a car and scarpered?
Is that now benchmark activity for a mentally unhealthy state?
If it's not their own experience perhaps some just don't understand?
The best approach to take when discussing the mental health of others is be kind and don’t judge, speculate or condemn.
Quiet and on my own at my own pace. I did not get it but was able to keep putting one foot in front of the other, and made it. Will it come back? i hope not! Sometimes people just need space and time.
I am sure had i had a problem, people would have said "what the f@*k was he thinking" the thing is you are not thinking straight, not because of drink, drugs, just because you are screwed up, and you have to deal with it on your own.
This is one of the main reasons why people don’t come out about their mental health struggles.
The attitude you often find is unless it impacts you, you don’t care what others feel or if they’re in a more privileged position than the majority of us, you don’t care. That’s so wrong and makes me so angry and disappointed.
You can have all the money in the world but you still are human, you have feelings and events impact you.
You can have access to all the help available within the industry you find yourself in or have a good supporting network, but if you have any kind of understanding of depression, you would know it takes an incredible effort to be open and understand how you feel. Let alone seek help.
His mental health does not excuse his actions of the past but it allows an understanding of the place he was in to behave the way he did at the time.
I don’t wish depression on anyone. And I hope he gets the help he needs and is back to some form of himself in the near future.
Depression can affect absolutely anyone, regardless of wealth. Ask anyone who has suffered from it or has family or friends with the condition. Money and success are no comfort at all.
It's not for you or I to say who deserves help and support or not.