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Charlton Ath v Nottingham Forest|1 October 2013|Championship|Match Preview, News, Views & Line Ups

edited September 2013 in General Charlton
Introduction

Before the next international break The Addicks face two home games in five days. Three successive defeats have left nerves, tempers and, in the minds of the unwell, unhinged and unnamed of the interweb reputations, ripped and torn so what could be better then an easy home game v struggling Nottingham (never Notts) Forest. Oh, hang on a minute...

The Opposition

As ever Billy Davies has a championship side challenging near the top of the table. That he finds it hard to get them over the line or through the play-offs need not concern us here. His teams play with pace and skill. We only have to look back to last season when we were well beaten in both games v the Tricky Trees.

Forest sit 5th with one defeat (v Wigan) so far. They have not been destroying teams and their top scorers (Derbyshire and former Addick Andy Reid) both have only 4 goals but they are winning games regardless thanks to a resolute back line.

Watch out for Lansbury and Reid in the middle. If they are given time and space they will run the game.

The Line Up

With four key players and virtually the spine of the side out (Cort, Solly, Jackson and perhaps Kermongant) Powell will look again at the scant resources available to him in order to find some semblance of balance and resistance.

The 3-5-2 worked well with Morrison and Dervite either side of the aerially dominant Cort but less so when the big defending was missing.

Preview Towers expects to see 4 - 5 - 1 retained but with Kermongant replacing Stephens and floating between the middle four and willing runner Garry Nelson. Pritchard's concussion is a concern but we expect him to start.

Hamer

Wilson Morrison Dervite Wiggins

Pritchard Gower Cousins Stewart

Kermongant
Church

The Prediction

Having seen off the longest serving manager in the championship on Saturday Forest will be gunning to see off the longest serving manager in the Championship on Tuesday but a backs to the wall display in front of 13,025 fans will end 1 - 1

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Comments

  • No idea what team we should go with. Without Yann we have no striker that can hold up the ball and compete in the air. In midfield we have several options but it's not clear what our strongest 4/5 is. Even if Solly and Cort were back I wouldn't be confident with our defence.

    Will Powell go for the attacking 4-4-2 with two wingers that is being called for? Might be just what we need, not as if we can keep clean sheets anymore. But it might see us torn apart with Reid controlling the game.

    They were far better than us in both games last season and we couldn't get the ball off them. 4-0 Forest and the talk about Powell's future continues. He'll keep his job, for now.
  • I don't do football until October and therefore will be making my season debut on Tuesday. Looking forward to it.
  • I fear Forest will walk this. Hope we score though, 1-3
  • 0-3 and another depression session down at The Valley
  • 3 nil forrest
    best we can hope for is a nil nil and we dont do nil
  • Forest have such a strong midfield we must start 4-5-1 and try to stop them playing. Not entertaining but we need to stop the rot. Can see Evina getting a start soon but maybe kept back until Saturday.

    Hamer
    Wilson Dervite Morro Wiggins
    Pritchard Hughes Gower Cousins Harriotts
    Church

    1-1
  • If someone can crock Andy Reid in the first 5 minutes, 0-2, otherwise 1-5.
  • If someone can crock Andy Reid in the first 5 minutes, 0-2, otherwise 1-5.

    LOL
    Many a true word... and all that

  • 2-1 win
    Hamer
    Wilson Morrison Wood Evina
    Cousins Gower Hughes
    Stewart Harriott
    Kermorgant
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  • 0-2. TJ puts the bullets in the gun and his finger hovers over thw trigger.
  • edited September 2013
    Looking forward to seeing Andy Reid. There was something about him that made me purr with pleasure every time we watched him. Even above Parker, Jensen , Bowyer et al he was the one who gave me more joy than just about anyone since the days of Rob Lee...

    It's the only damned thing I am looking forward to... Another horrible night in the slow death of CAFC. 0-3 by H-T and then 45 mins of vitriolic atmos from those who haven't walked out as Forest see out the game without even needing to break sweat. #sinkingfast
  • 3-0 Forest. Reid to run us ragged
  • edited September 2013
    Sorry, it breaks my heart but 0.3 comprehensive win for Forest with them not even breaking sweat...........absolute garbage again from Charlton!! Where do we go from here I don`t have a clue!
  • chazza said:

    2-1 win
    Hamer
    Wilson Morrison Wood Evina
    Cousins Gower Hughes
    Stewart Harriott
    Kermorgant

    Would like that line up, except maybe Alnwick given a chance in goal.

    Would LOVE that result but, sadly, despite some raucous and emotional home support, I think we are in for a stuffing. 1-3.
  • With Solly, Yann, Cort and JJ out I can't see any good result coming from this. Our confidence must be rock bottom and we are just not being setup to win games. More like being setup to contain the other team and snatch a draw or a lucky win with a goal. If we play the containing game against them I think we'll be torn apart. If we open it up a bit it may be more entertaining but I can only see one result. I'm going 0-2 Forest either way and that may be conservative. Now, it'll be just like Charlton to get some sort of a result from this.
  • As I swerved Burnley, I had a good look at Forest in the Sky game against Derby.

    Forest use a the 4-4-2 Diamond System, with a flat back four of Lichaj - Hobbs- Collins - Cohen. Moussi started at the base of the diamond, Lansbury & Reid were right and left, with Majewski at the point, behind the front two. Henderson was at Centre Forward with Mackie playing off him as the second striker. When Moussi went off injured after 20 mins, Lansbury switched to the holding role, Cohen moved to right midfield and Harding came in at Left Back.

    The Forest pattern of play, was to use a quick short passing style of play through midfield into the last third, around the Reid-Majewski link, mixed up with more direct play into Henderson as the target man.

    Forest produced a good overall performance and despite the unbalanced highlights on the FLS, were not particularly convincing winners or looked as good as they were against us in the two games last season. After a very good opening 10 minutes in which they had threatened to run riot, Derby settled down and contained them for long spells, without showing the cutting edge themselves to capitalise on their own good spells of play.

    When Forest had possession, both full backs got forward to join in the play on their side of the pitch to link up with Majewski & Reid and Forest looked to get crosses in for Henderson to attack, particularly from the left flank through Reid. When Majewski picked up possession in space and linked up with Reid, Forest always looked dangerous. But after a lively start to the match, in which Forest had dictated a quick tempo which Derby had struggled to cope with, Derby gradually got to grips with it and closed down the Forest midfield for long spells, until the game opened up in the latter stages when they were reduced to ten men. Prior to the Keogh sending off, Majewski had been hooked after 64 mins and replaced by Abdoun, as Forest struggled to break the shackles.

    In attacking play the front two will often split left and right to create space for Majewski to move into as a third attacker. When Forest get the ball wide, Henderson will pull away to the back post and make runs across defenders to meet crosses and missed an excellent chance early in the second half when running onto a Reid cross from the left. For much of the game, the front two lacked enough quality service to be effective, as Derby closed off midfield and forced Forest to go long, and a lot of build-up play broke-down around Henderson, who lost the majority of high balls against the Derby Centre Backs. As a result Mackie was forced to feed off scraps, although he ran-in behind and down the channels all afternoon, as he normally does. When forced to play long, Collins and Hobbs lacked accuracy in their passing and both lacked composure on the ball when put under pressure. However, Darlow has an excellent long kick and when allowed to come out of his area, almost reached the opposition box.

    In Defensive Play, the Forest Back Four dropped off quickly to defend the 18 yard line, with the midfield quartet working back into the space in front. When doing so they often failed to get organised into two banks of four, although the central areas were often congested. Derby were allowed plenty of space 25-40 yards from goal and had a number of long range shooting opportunities. But overall, Derby lacked the speed in their play and penetration in attack, to expose a disciplined Forest defensive line.

    By dropping off early to defend the eighteen yard line, Forest quickly took away the space for Derby to play into behind them. Both Centre Backs are strong in the air, but look short of pace and could struggle if isolated and turned, which Derby failed to do. Both CB's conceded free kicks when pulled forward to defend balls played into the space if front of them, although the midfielder at the base of the diamond obviously has the job of preventing that happening. Moussi did a good job of protecting the Centre Backs when he was on the pitch, but Lansbury is a more creative midfielder and therefore not suited to the role.

    Lichaj at Right Back was the weakest of the Back Four, with a tendency to dive in when faced-up in one-against-one situations and had weak positional play in general. Cohen is very sound at Left Back, but looked awkward as a left-footer operating on the right of the diamond after he had switched.

    In the midfield areas, the Forest quartet try to stay compact and close down quickly around the ball, often in an attempt to win possession high up the pitch. However, as they stay narrow or move across onto one flank as a group, there is always space for the opposition to exploit along the flanks in front of the exposed full back positions and as a team they are vulnerable to quick switches of play.

    At Set Plays, Forest got the goal that proved decisive from a corner on the right. Reid whipped in a driven left foot cross, which Hobbs met unopposed in the near post area to head home, after his direct opponent had been caught dozing and allowed him to run free. Majewski took the corners on the right, also whipped into the near post area with pace. Mackie took a position at the near post to hamper the defenders protecting that area and create space for Hobbs to run into: Henderson and Lansbury held on the penalty spot to assist Hobbs to get free by attempting to hamper his marker; and Collins attacked from the back of the area looking for a flick-on at the near post. Henderson is also well placed in the centre of the goal to compete for any slightly over-hit crosses aimed at the near post area.

    On Free Kicks from the midfield third, Reid played angled high balls at Henderson from the left and Lichaj did the same from the right.

    We all know how good Reid can be and we paid the penalty last season for giving him too much space, in both games. (My memory of the game at the City Ground last season, was Reid darting here and there and Pritchard following two yards behind him as if he was on a piece of string). We need to pay attention to what he is trying to do. If you play man-for-man on him, there is a risk he will disrupt the midfield by dragging his marker away from the left and into other areas, to create space for his team-mates to exploit, particularly the left full back on the overlap.

    Forest like all of the teams in this Division are beatable. Both Centre Backs and Lichaj at right back can all be exposed on the ground. But to do so, our build-up play or counter attacks need to be quick enough to get at the Back Four before the Forest midfield can cover back into the space in front. Passing across the back line will be too slow and hoofing it forward is not likely to break Forest down. We need to run them ragged down the flanks and stretch the diamond across the pitch. Most games are won and lost in central midfield, and they have four operating in that area. We need to stop them playing before we have any chance of winning this match, controlling midfield and dominating possession is vital, but do we have the players individually and collectively to do it? Looking forward to the game, to see how we set up and how we handle it.

  • Charlton to win 4-3 in roller coaster to start a mini revival which sees us climb to mid table.
  • Looking forward to seeing Forest play and the return of Andy Reid. Fully expect us to lose - curious to see the lineup CP goes for.
    Will get behind the team whatever happens....
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  • edited September 2013
    If Cohen plays left back for Forest I'd expect that to be the weak point in their team considering that he's a midfielder... I may be wrong of course.
    I'll go for a 0-2.

    Reid
    Lansbury
  • ...................................Hamer..............................

    ...Wilson.......Morro.......................Wood......Wiggins...

    ..................................Hughes..........................

    ..................Stephens.................Cousins

    ....Harriot.......................................................Stewart...

    ...............................Kermorgant...........................


    Assuming Kermorgant is fit and Jackson is out.
  • Solly, Cort, Jackson and Yann all injured, the way Forest played us off the park last season, the fans being morons, matched with how poor we have been in the last two games all points to a Forest win.

    I'm backing Sir Chris Powell all the way. This is not his fault.
  • Blimey Tutt-Tutt shouldn't you be on the coaching staff!
  • charlton to come from 0-2 down to win 4-2 and then the season will truly begin for us! well I suppose it's better than putting my original prediction of 0-3 to the visitors!!!

    COYR!
  • edited September 2013

    ...................................Hamer..............................

    ...Wilson.......Morro.......................Wood......Wiggins...

    ..................................Hughes..........................

    ..................Stephens.................Cousins

    ....Harriot.......................................................Stewart...

    ...............................Kermorgant...........................


    Assuming Kermorgant is fit and Jackson is out.


    Agree with this team but with Harriot on the left and Stewart on right.


    Doubt it will be the team we will see so 0-4 defeat.


  • Last season we were on the floor and 0-2 down at home to high flying (and ultimately promoted) Cardiff City. As CAFC kicked off to re-start the game after the second goal, the crowd lifted the roof with their support for CP. The effect was astonishing. The players were inspired and, in what has been for me the most fantastic performance at the Valley since we were in the Premiership, we roared back to win 5-4 (I'll overlook the last few heart-shaking minutes.)

    I remain optimistic that the same spirit is present and look forward to a well earned win.
  • I'd have Stewart and Harriot swapping now and then like Palace did last year with Zaha and Bolasie.
  • 0-1 or 0-2.
    I'll be there, not getting excited. I'm still in the Holiday Inn in Burnley at the mo.
  • Another away banker, I'm afraid :0(
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