Bit of a muse here but one intriguing facet (for me) of Mr Duchatelet's personal make up is Mathematics.
It has been mentioned here and there that he has asked footballing questions in a kind of mathematical way e.g. number of passes before a failed pass, or which players run the greatest distances in matches, or even quizzing a potential signing on their maths.
It makes sense that he has made money in business, and business related to maths and science. He may even have been applying a mathematical scaffold around his political ventures and ideas. Then there is the economy of scale, or the perceived logical sense of having not only one football club. Within that concept of a group of clubs there may be lurking some kind of mathematical structures.
Not really the same kind of thing as Elton John romantically taking over Watford, or Bill Kenwright at Everton for example.
However it may be that the mathematical education that Mr Duchatelet enjoyed has a heavy influence on his thinking and actions. His kind of logic may not be mainstream.
That isn't to say the mathematical world is a different universe or anything, he would have had to deal with the organic realities as well to get where he has got, rather to say his approach to enterprise, his approach to problems is from a particular perspective.
We all identified the lawyers perspective when thinking about a lot of what Mr Slater said and did.
By the way this is all musing and speculation is based on the flimsiest of information, but it may help us understand how we can communicate, collaborate, and grow together.
Chris Powell may have more chance of influencing Mr Duchatelet by emphasising the logic that counteracts the unpredictability of football, than by charming him with his brilliant smile and warm hug. The business case made out for not getting relegated, sorting the pitch, and strengthening the squad may be a good approach, (which many on Charlton Life have advocated in a lot of excellent detail), and the logical benefit of dealing with presently open minded fans in a constructive way may also be worth emphasising to him.
Is there anybody here steeped in mathematics that thinks there may be something in my speculation, or who may think of ways that may provide an entrée into the approach of Mr Duchatelet?
'Statistics' is the word the Belgium reporter used.He loves them apparently.
So,my trainspotting comrades,don't be afraid to get the Southeastern notebook out when in Roland's company.
It might distract him enough from asking Powelly why we are not beating Burnley when the combined square root of our players age as well our median height denomination factor average is less than theirs!';!
There was an old man from Nepal Who'd a very mathematical ball. The cube of it's weight Plus his d*ck minus eight Was twice the square root of f**k all.
I'm not going to type it all over again but I copied this from the takeover thread.
Hello. I haven't read every post in this thread but it seems like most of you are optimistic about Duchatelet taking over. I'm sorry to burst your bubble but Duchatelet won't lift your club to an higher level. If you're lucky he'll invest some cash at the beginning of his reign.
I'm afraid you'll become the 6th club in his network. He owns Carl Zeis Jena in Germany and Standard de Liege in Belgium. His son his the chairman of Hungarian club Ujpest. He saved Belgian second tier club Tubize from financial trouble and is now major shareholder. And at my own club at last Sintruidense VV or STVV his girlfriend is owner of the stadium and all grounds surrounding it. Officially he sold our club when he bought Standard because both teams were in the first division at that point and you obviously cannot own 2 clubs that compete in the same division. But he actually still runs things at the club. Our current chairman is a dear friend of his and just a puppet on a string. When he "sold" the club he gave the stadium and its grounds to his girlfriend so we now pay 400.000 Euro rent a year to plag in our own Stadium.
He recently called these 6 clubs his network and there have been player swappings between Ujpest, STVV, Standard and Tubize. We mostly got young,talented players who had to be in the starting eleven even though they weren't yet up for the task. He destroyed our club from within and we are nothjng bht his toy at the moment.
I fear the same thing might happen with Charlton. He'll use you to steal your talent, drop young players in the first squad to increase their market value. He"ll use your stadium ground to build hotels, shops and industry ( Very positive for the local economy I have to admit). And he"ll sell your players as soon as there's a profit in store for him
The man knows nothing about football but he is a cunning bastard.
All the best of luck and I hope for you guys I'm wrong."
Ps it are mostly the dutch who eat mayo on their fries/chips.Ketchup or Andalouse it is for me.
I think statistics are under used in football. The player on the line for free kicks is a good example - There is so much evidence from Curbishley's time that this approach condedes less goals, but managers ignore it because they are stuck in their ways.
The danger with statistics is you have to undertsand the sample. So for example, we are being told that breast feeding creates more healthy, intelligent children - it may well do - but these studies do not adequately take into account the social circumstances of people more likely to breast feed and bottle feed which may be a bigger factor. The same is with Charles Hughes' work that defined English football for a generation. He worked out through statistics that the fewer passes you made, the more chance you had of scoring a goal. His big mistake was, the sample that gave him that information were not sufficiently skilled, so it was true for English players at the time, but better technical players would have provided different results.
I think English football needs to find its way forward and statistics -used properly and clinically - is part of the answer.
I think statistics are under used in football. The player on the line for free kicks is a good example - There is so much evidence from Curbishley's time that this approach condedes less goals, but managers ignore it because they are stuck in their ways.
The danger with statistics is you have to undertsand the sample. So for example, we are being told that breast feeding creates more healthy, intelligent children - it may well do - but these studies do not adequately take into account the social circumstances of people more likely to breast feed and bottle feed which may be a bigger factor. The same is with Charles Hughes' work that defined English football for a generation. He worked out through statistics that the fewer passes you made, the more chance you had of scoring a goal. His big mistake was, the sample that gave him that information were not sufficiently skilled, so it was true for English players at the time, but better technical players would have provided different results.
I think English football needs to find its way forward and statistics -used properly and clinically - is part of the answer.
Hughes made some even more fundamental errors. You might enjoy "The Numbers Game" by Chris Anderson and David Sally.
I think statistics are under used in football. The player on the line for free kicks is a good example - There is so much evidence from Curbishley's time that this approach condedes less goals, but managers ignore it because they are stuck in their ways.
The danger with statistics is you have to undertsand the sample. So for example, we are being told that breast feeding creates more healthy, intelligent children - it may well do - but these studies do not adequately take into account the social circumstances of people more likely to breast feed and bottle feed which may be a bigger factor. The same is with Charles Hughes' work that defined English football for a generation. He worked out through statistics that the fewer passes you made, the more chance you had of scoring a goal. His big mistake was, the sample that gave him that information were not sufficiently skilled, so it was true for English players at the time, but better technical players would have provided different results.
I think English football needs to find its way forward and statistics -used properly and clinically - is part of the answer.
Hughes made some even more fundamental errors. You might enjoy "The Numbers Game" by Chris Anderson and David Sally.
I know, but this one illustrated my point. Thanks for the tip though, I will definitely buy that book. As a thank you - I would reccommend 'Every boy's dream' if you are a student of the game and would like a great insight as to what is wrong with English football.
I think statistics are under used in football. The player on the line for free kicks is a good example - There is so much evidence from Curbishley's time that this approach condedes less goals, but managers ignore it because they are stuck in their ways.
The danger with statistics is you have to undertsand the sample. So for example, we are being told that breast feeding creates more healthy, intelligent children - it may well do - but these studies do not adequately take into account the social circumstances of people more likely to breast feed and bottle feed which may be a bigger factor. The same is with Charles Hughes' work that defined English football for a generation. He worked out through statistics that the fewer passes you made, the more chance you had of scoring a goal. His big mistake was, the sample that gave him that information were not sufficiently skilled, so it was true for English players at the time, but better technical players would have provided different results.
I think English football needs to find its way forward and statistics -used properly and clinically - is part of the answer.
Hughes made some even more fundamental errors. You might enjoy "The Numbers Game" by Chris Anderson and David Sally.
I know, but this one illustrated my point. Thanks for the tip though, I will definitely buy that book. As a thank you - I would reccommend 'Every boy's dream' if you are a student of the game and would like a great insight as to what is wrong with English football.
Thanks in return. The book has just joined the queue in the Kindle on my iPad!! I'll look forward to reading it.
Bit of a muse here but one intriguing facet (for me) of Mr Duchatelet's personal make up is Mathematics.
It has been mentioned here and there that he has asked footballing questions in a kind of mathematical way e.g. number of passes before a failed pass, or which players run the greatest distances in matches, or even quizzing a potential signing on their maths.
It makes sense that he has made money in business, and business related to maths and science. He may even have been applying a mathematical scaffold around his political ventures and ideas. Then there is the economy of scale, or the perceived logical sense of having not only one football club. Within that concept of a group of clubs there may be lurking some kind of mathematical structures.
Not really the same kind of thing as Elton John romantically taking over Watford, or Bill Kenwright at Everton for example.
However it may be that the mathematical education that Mr Duchatelet enjoyed has a heavy influence on his thinking and actions. His kind of logic may not be mainstream.
That isn't to say the mathematical world is a different universe or anything, he would have had to deal with the organic realities as well to get where he has got, rather to say his approach to enterprise, his approach to problems is from a particular perspective.
We all identified the lawyers perspective when thinking about a lot of what Mr Slater said and did.
By the way this is all musing and speculation is based on the flimsiest of information, but it may help us understand how we can communicate, collaborate, and grow together.
Chris Powell may have more chance of influencing Mr Duchatelet by emphasising the logic that counteracts the unpredictability of football, than by charming him with his brilliant smile and warm hug. The business case made out for not getting relegated, sorting the pitch, and strengthening the squad may be a good approach, (which many on Charlton Life have advocated in a lot of excellent detail), and the logical benefit of dealing with presently open minded fans in a constructive way may also be worth emphasising to him.
Is there anybody here steeped in mathematics that thinks there may be something in my speculation, or who may think of ways that may provide an entrée into the approach of Mr Duchatelet?
Good points Seth.
I think before we go any further woth the speculation though, we should find out Mnsr Duchatalet's opinion on........
I honestly don't think he'll neglect us. We're good sized English club that's one good season away from making him a lot of money by making it to the Premier League. We're not a lower league German side.
I think statistics are under used in football. The player on the line for free kicks is a good example - There is so much evidence from Curbishley's time that this approach condedes less goals, but managers ignore it because they are stuck in their ways.
The danger with statistics is you have to undertsand the sample. So for example, we are being told that breast feeding creates more healthy, intelligent children - it may well do - but these studies do not adequately take into account the social circumstances of people more likely to breast feed and bottle feed which may be a bigger factor. The same is with Charles Hughes' work that defined English football for a generation. He worked out through statistics that the fewer passes you made, the more chance you had of scoring a goal. His big mistake was, the sample that gave him that information were not sufficiently skilled, so it was true for English players at the time, but better technical players would have provided different results.
I think English football needs to find its way forward and statistics -used properly and clinically - is part of the answer.
Hughes made some even more fundamental errors. You might enjoy "The Numbers Game" by Chris Anderson and David Sally.
I know, but this one illustrated my point. Thanks for the tip though, I will definitely buy that book. As a thank you - I would reccommend 'Every boy's dream' if you are a student of the game and would like a great insight as to what is wrong with English football.
Thanks in return. The book has just joined the queue in the Kindle on my iPad!! I'll look forward to reading it.
Would be interesting to know what you think when you have.
One would hope that some player negotiations have been taking place pending completion of the takeover, afterall the loan of Ajadarevic was announced on the CAFC website before completion of the takeover itself was announced. It gives RD an opportunity to demonstrate he is a man of action, if that is indeed the case.
Who Mr. Duchatelet appoints as his CEO is the next important issue. I don't imagine that Richard Murray will or want as Non Executive Chairman to be involved in the day to day stuff. Nor do I imagine that Mr. Duchatelet himself will be actively involved other than remotely. An important few months coming up.
Interesting thinking Seth, I think he is definately a mathematical man as I bumped into him yesterday and asked him what he thought about football fans. He replied ' There are only 10 different types of fans, those that understand binary and those that don't '.
Bit of a muse here but one intriguing facet (for me) of Mr Duchatelet's personal make up is Mathematics.
It has been mentioned here and there that he has asked footballing questions in a kind of mathematical way e.g. number of passes before a failed pass, or which players run the greatest distances in matches, or even quizzing a potential signing on their maths.
It makes sense that he has made money in business, and business related to maths and science. He may even have been applying a mathematical scaffold around his political ventures and ideas. Then there is the economy of scale, or the perceived logical sense of having not only one football club. Within that concept of a group of clubs there may be lurking some kind of mathematical structures.
Not really the same kind of thing as Elton John romantically taking over Watford, or Bill Kenwright at Everton for example.
However it may be that the mathematical education that Mr Duchatelet enjoyed has a heavy influence on his thinking and actions. His kind of logic may not be mainstream.
That isn't to say the mathematical world is a different universe or anything, he would have had to deal with the organic realities as well to get where he has got, rather to say his approach to enterprise, his approach to problems is from a particular perspective.
We all identified the lawyers perspective when thinking about a lot of what Mr Slater said and did.
By the way this is all musing and speculation is based on the flimsiest of information, but it may help us understand how we can communicate, collaborate, and grow together.
Chris Powell may have more chance of influencing Mr Duchatelet by emphasising the logic that counteracts the unpredictability of football, than by charming him with his brilliant smile and warm hug. The business case made out for not getting relegated, sorting the pitch, and strengthening the squad may be a good approach, (which many on Charlton Life have advocated in a lot of excellent detail), and the logical benefit of dealing with presently open minded fans in a constructive way may also be worth emphasising to him.
Is there anybody here steeped in mathematics that thinks there may be something in my speculation, or who may think of ways that may provide an entrée into the approach of Mr Duchatelet?
Bit of a muse here but one intriguing facet (for me) of Mr Duchatelet's personal make up is Mathematics.
It has been mentioned here and there that he has asked footballing questions in a kind of mathematical way e.g. number of passes before a failed pass, or which players run the greatest distances in matches, or even quizzing a potential signing on their maths.
It makes sense that he has made money in business, and business related to maths and science. He may even have been applying a mathematical scaffold around his political ventures and ideas. Then there is the economy of scale, or the perceived logical sense of having not only one football club. Within that concept of a group of clubs there may be lurking some kind of mathematical structures.
Not really the same kind of thing as Elton John romantically taking over Watford, or Bill Kenwright at Everton for example.
However it may be that the mathematical education that Mr Duchatelet enjoyed has a heavy influence on his thinking and actions. His kind of logic may not be mainstream.
That isn't to say the mathematical world is a different universe or anything, he would have had to deal with the organic realities as well to get where he has got, rather to say his approach to enterprise, his approach to problems is from a particular perspective.
We all identified the lawyers perspective when thinking about a lot of what Mr Slater said and did.
By the way this is all musing and speculation is based on the flimsiest of information, but it may help us understand how we can communicate, collaborate, and grow together.
Chris Powell may have more chance of influencing Mr Duchatelet by emphasising the logic that counteracts the unpredictability of football, than by charming him with his brilliant smile and warm hug. The business case made out for not getting relegated, sorting the pitch, and strengthening the squad may be a good approach, (which many on Charlton Life have advocated in a lot of excellent detail), and the logical benefit of dealing with presently open minded fans in a constructive way may also be worth emphasising to him.
Is there anybody here steeped in mathematics that thinks there may be something in my speculation, or who may think of ways that may provide an entrée into the approach of Mr Duchatelet?
Seth
As some people involved behind the scenes with the Trust will be aware I do "play with data". I wouldn't say I was "steeped in mathematics" but have had the benefit of working with some of the top actuaries in the world at AIG and other insurance companies over the last few years - one of them has been advising us on the Trust survey methodology.
I think there is a lot of merit in your line of thinking. In addition this appears on the wiki entry for RD: "In 1994 he began to support the political party BANAAN or "Beter Alternatieven Nastreven Als Apathisch Nietsdoen" (Better seeking for alternatives than doing nothing in apathy")" which kinda sums up the Trust approach to things.
Over the last 12 months the Trust has managed to engage a couple of Charlton fans who work in the finance sector to develop some ideas which may be of interest to the new owners. But first we need to listen and to this end the Trust have secured a meeting with Richard Murray which will probably now occur in February.
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'Statistics' is the word the Belgium reporter used.He loves them apparently.
So,my trainspotting comrades,don't be afraid to get the Southeastern notebook out when in Roland's company.
It might distract him enough from asking Powelly why we are not beating Burnley when the combined square root of our players age as well our median height denomination factor average is less than theirs!';!
Who'd a very mathematical ball.
The cube of it's weight
Plus his d*ck minus eight
Was twice the square root of f**k all.
Hello.
I haven't read every post in this thread but it seems like most of you are optimistic about Duchatelet taking over. I'm sorry to burst your bubble but Duchatelet won't lift your club to an higher level. If you're lucky he'll invest some cash at the beginning of his reign.
I'm afraid you'll become the 6th club in his network. He owns Carl Zeis Jena in Germany and Standard de Liege in Belgium. His son his the chairman of Hungarian club Ujpest. He saved Belgian second tier club Tubize from financial trouble and is now major shareholder. And at my own club at last Sintruidense VV or STVV his girlfriend is owner of the stadium and all grounds surrounding it. Officially he sold our club when he bought Standard because both teams were in the first division at that point and you obviously cannot own 2 clubs that compete in the same division. But he actually still runs things at the club. Our current chairman is a dear friend of his and just a puppet on a string. When he "sold" the club he gave the stadium and its grounds to his girlfriend so we now pay 400.000 Euro rent a year to plag in our own Stadium.
He recently called these 6 clubs his network and there have been player swappings between Ujpest, STVV, Standard and Tubize. We mostly got young,talented players who had to be in the starting eleven even though they weren't yet up for the task. He destroyed our club from within and we are nothjng bht his toy at the moment.
I fear the same thing might happen with Charlton. He'll use you to steal your talent, drop young players in the first squad to increase their market value. He"ll use your stadium ground to build hotels, shops and industry ( Very positive for the local economy I have to admit). And he"ll sell your players as soon as there's a profit in store for him
The man knows nothing about football but he is a cunning bastard.
All the best of luck and I hope for you guys I'm wrong."
Ps it are mostly the dutch who eat mayo on their fries/chips.Ketchup or Andalouse it is for me.
The danger with statistics is you have to undertsand the sample. So for example, we are being told that breast feeding creates more healthy, intelligent children - it may well do - but these studies do not adequately take into account the social circumstances of people more likely to breast feed and bottle feed which may be a bigger factor. The same is with Charles Hughes' work that defined English football for a generation. He worked out through statistics that the fewer passes you made, the more chance you had of scoring a goal. His big mistake was, the sample that gave him that information were not sufficiently skilled, so it was true for English players at the time, but better technical players would have provided different results.
I think English football needs to find its way forward and statistics -used properly and clinically - is part of the answer.
Love the cunning bastard quote !
* Happy smiley face thing
I think before we go any further woth the speculation though, we should find out Mnsr Duchatalet's opinion on........
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I honestly don't think he'll neglect us. We're good sized English club that's one good season away from making him a lot of money by making it to the Premier League. We're not a lower league German side.
Thanks for your contribution.
I wonder if we should be so concerned about interacting with our new owner? I think he may have appointed Richard Murray for that purpose.
In Belgium, each clubs gets a 'stamnummer' when they start. STVV's number is 373.
His new target.
http://www.cope.es/detalle/El-empresario-Belga-Roland-Duchatelet-cerca-de-comprar-el-Alcorcon.html
Seems like a top guy to me, but I guess you mean a constant flow of doom and gloom messages to darken the day
As some people involved behind the scenes with the Trust will be aware I do "play with data". I wouldn't say I was "steeped in mathematics" but have had the benefit of working with some of the top actuaries in the world at AIG and other insurance companies over the last few years - one of them has been advising us on the Trust survey methodology.
I think there is a lot of merit in your line of thinking. In addition this appears on the wiki entry for RD:
"In 1994 he began to support the political party BANAAN or "Beter Alternatieven Nastreven Als Apathisch Nietsdoen" (Better seeking for alternatives than doing nothing in apathy")" which kinda sums up the Trust approach to things.
Over the last 12 months the Trust has managed to engage a couple of Charlton fans who work in the finance sector to develop some ideas which may be of interest to the new owners. But first we need to listen and to this end the Trust have secured a meeting with Richard Murray which will probably now occur in February.
castrust.org/2014/01/murray-agrees-to-early-trust-meeting/
This will be the first meeting that the Trust has had with the Chair of CAFC or precisely one more that we achieved with the previous regime!