@Dazzler21 So because there are or have been worse cases out there, we should all be happy??
The thing that concerns me most is that he has had STVV for 10 years! Is this what we have to look forward to for the next 10 years? Because I don't think there will be much of a club left by then if that is the case.
@Dazzler21 So because there are or have been worse cases out there, we should all be happy??
The thing that concerns me most is that he has had STVV for 10 years! Is this what we have to look forward to for the next 10 years? Because I don't think there will be much of a club left by then if that is the case.
@Dazzler21 So because there are or have been worse cases out there, we should all be happy??
The thing that concerns me most is that he has had STVV for 10 years! Is this what we have to look forward to for the next 10 years? Because I don't think there will be much of a club left by then if that is the case.
I was talking financially...
OK gotcha. Bit sensitive lately, I'm sure you can appreciate why, sorry!
Very interesting reading that again, almost spot on. I just hope we don't have to sit through it for 10 years or more.
10 years? Please no... It's scary enough to just think about the possibility of Duchatelet running our club the way he does for more than say three or four years, let alone one whole decade !
I know it now says he's a billionaire on wiki, but after he bought CAFC, he was widely said to be worth £400 million or half a billion euros. That was less than a year ago. Has his personal worth really doubled?
I know it now says he's a billionaire on wiki, but after he bought CAFC, he was widely said to be worth £400 million or half a billion euros. That was less than a year ago. Has his personal worth really doubled?
It seems that the amount quoted was his personal cash pile. But his four main businesses are said to be worth around €2 billion, and he has a majority if not 100% stake in all of them. This makes him much richer than Kevin Cash I think. I got these figures from our Belgian colleagues, so I cannot vouch for them 100%, but it seems the original figure was misunderstood. €500 mill is what he has in his piggy bank to play with. He is 68, and although he has a large number of siblings, they would inherit his business interests, presumably.
I know it now says he's a billionaire on wiki, but after he bought CAFC, he was widely said to be worth £400 million or half a billion euros. That was less than a year ago. Has his personal worth really doubled?
It seems that the amount quoted was his personal cash pile. But his four main businesses are said to be worth around €2 billion, and he has a majority if not 100% stake in all of them. This makes him much richer than Kevin Cash I think. I got these figures from our Belgian colleagues, so I cannot vouch for them 100%, but it seems the original figure was misunderstood. €500 mill is what he has in his piggy bank to play with. He is 68, and although he has a large number of siblings, they would inherit his business interests, presumably.
Ok, thanks. I was assuming most of his £400 million was tied up in his businesses. This would make him so much more of a tightwad* in many fans' eyes.
*"Tightwad is a village in Henry County, Missouri, United States. Its population was 64 at the 2010 United States Census." Wiki.
It seems to me that the players are bought from outside the network just for Standard Liege - with an occasional exception - and the players they replace are then distributed around the rest of the network ad nauseam.
That way RD only pays one fee to service all his clubs.
I would love to hear from @Dreke373 again with an update. STVV is now the only team in the network which is currently doing well.
Also the evidence is that he is not interested in moving from the Valley. I know that even after he took over, he was approached by people who wanted to do that and had arrived on the scene too late last year. he apparently rebuffed them saying he wasn't interested. Somebody posted recently that he wants to redevelop the Jimmy Seed. Which would not be a bad thing, so long as there was a football team that people actually wanted to come and watch.
I have no more clue than anyone else what on earth his plan is but there is not a scrap of evidence that involves moving us from the Valley, which, let's remember, is an ACV.
I hope you're right Prague. I'm beginning to think, that given his liberal socialism (or whatever it is) views, that RD is NOT interested in the get-rich-quick EPL golden egg, but instead he is treating this more as a manufacturing business. I think he may be trying to prove that you can make money by developing the player factories (aka academy), and selling the players for profit. All he needs is a nice clean modern looking shop window (aka clubs - including network) to hawk his wares. I don't think the playing level of the club is necessarily uppermost in his mind - as long as the product is on view. To him, the product is the player; not the game. The customers, other clubs; not the fans. I'm not sure if progress in his primary aim is aligned with progress in my primary aim - to be entertained with at least a modicum of success
I'm a fan of one of Roland Duchatelet's teams: K Sint-Truidense VV.
STVV is a club that played for years in the Belgian top flight. In search for extra money (let's say 10 years ago) our Commercial Manager wrote a letter to the top-100 richest Belgians. That's how RD got involved in our club in a sponsordeal. As years went by RD became the president of our club. He managed to buy the football ground and the grounds around it. A few years ago he built a new stand with shops, offices, a hotel etc. The year of the construction we were relegated but got promoted after one year in the second division. Our goalkeeper that year was Simon Mignolet. Yep, now at Liverpool FC.
He took over Ujpest in Hungaria. His son Roderick is president over there.
When Standard Liège was for sale, he jumped on that wagon. Since you can not own two teams in one flight, he "gave" STVV to his wife Marieke Hofte. We got relegated due to a lack of investment and now still play in the second division. A new stand is being built at the moment. Google on "Stayen".
He took over another second division team (Tubize) and a few weeks ago Jena as you all know.
To round up. He owns (or is involved in): - Standard de Liège - Sint-Truiden VV - Tubize AFC - Carl Zeiss Jena - Ujpest FC
That is a brief (and incomplete) round up of his history in football.
What I think you all should know: - He bought the grounds around Staaien for peanuts from the city council. He's transforming the ground into something multifunctional. The benefits go straight into his pockets. No bennefit for the club. - After huge protest against him in Liège, he announced he would put the club up for sale. Nothing happened since. Of course the results of Standard (first in the league) helps him with that. - Between Sint-Truiden, Tubize and Standard players switch very often. It's no exception when there are 4 to 5 five players on loan from Standard at Sint-Truiden. None are of real added value. - The president of STVV is a close friend and businesspartner of Duchatelet.
What I want to warn you for: - Charlton will be just one link in his football club imperium. - Duchatelet is often seen as an idiot in football matters. But no one can deny he is a genious in businesses. - At first, we were delighted to see him arrive at our club. 10 years later, he is the worst thing that could have happened to us. We don't own our own ground any more (it's like a bird locked up in a golden cage), we got relegated to second devision thanks to his policy and now he still has his shadow hanging over us. I honestly believe he wants us to stay there because that's better for him. - He got me that far that I am doubting to buy a season ticket in the future. I'm disgusted by him and his accomplices who don't fear lieing straight in the fans' faces at supporters meetings.
What I would like to know from you: - Are there any plans for a new ground at Charlton? Because that's what is importent for him in Sint-Truiden and Liège. I can not speak for Ujpest, Zena and Tubize.
A fiew last remarks: - I have the feeling that the bigger part of the Sint-Truiden fans have the same view as me. Altough I'm not sure. But there are also people who believe he has saved our club. - This is only a very brief round up. It is far more complicated than this. So if you have questions, just ask them. I'll try to visit your forum on a regular basis. - Maybe he brings you back to the Premier League, maybe he destroys you completely. No one knows. Maybe we will see Charlton players in Sint-Truiden, Zena, Liège and Tubize. Or the other way around. No one knows. - With this post, I only want to prevent you guys from (potentially) misplaced euforia. - I did my best to express myself in English. That's what we do. :-) Please don't botter on general remarks about Belgians like the ones in a post in this treath. They are short-sighted.
Woah, forgotten about this. @Dreke373 pretty much predicted our future.
I'm not going to type it all over again but I copied this from the takeover thread.
Hello. I haven't read every post in this thread but it seems like most of you are optimistic about Duchatelet taking over. I'm sorry to burst your bubble but Duchatelet won't lift your club to an higher level. If you're lucky he'll invest some cash at the beginning of his reign.
I'm afraid you'll become the 6th club in his network. He owns Carl Zeis Jena in Germany and Standard de Liege in Belgium. His son his the chairman of Hungarian club Ujpest. He saved Belgian second tier club Tubize from financial trouble and is now major shareholder. And at my own club at last Sintruidense VV or STVV his girlfriend is owner of the stadium and all grounds surrounding it. Officially he sold our club when he bought Standard because both teams were in the first division at that point and you obviously cannot own 2 clubs that compete in the same division. But he actually still runs things at the club. Our current chairman is a dear friend of his and just a puppet on a string. When he "sold" the club he gave the stadium and its grounds to his girlfriend so we now pay 400.000 Euro rent a year to plag in our own Stadium.
He recently called these 6 clubs his network and there have been player swappings between Ujpest, STVV, Standard and Tubize. We mostly got young,talented players who had to be in the starting eleven even though they weren't yet up for the task. He destroyed our club from within and we are nothjng bht his toy at the moment.
I fear the same thing might happen with Charlton. He'll use you to steal your talent, drop young players in the first squad to increase their market value. He"ll use your stadium ground to build hotels, shops and industry ( Very positive for the local economy I have to admit). And he"ll sell your players as soon as there's a profit in store for him
The man knows nothing about football but he is a cunning bastard.
All the best of luck and I hope for you guys I'm wrong."
Ps it are mostly the dutch who eat mayo on their fries/chips.Ketchup or Andalouse it is for me.
Yes Dreke and STVVfan both called it precisely right.
Thing is. There is no commercial development potential around The Valley unless it's some flats. Hotels, shops are not going to happen. There is no land around the stadium he can buy for peanuts or otherwise. Limited scope for the scenario Dreke painted.
Thing is. There is no commercial development potential around The Valley unless it's some flats. Hotels, shops are not going to happen. There is no land around the stadium he can buy for peanuts or otherwise. Limited scope for the scenario Dreke painted.
Yes, but it will be bad enough and not reverseable, if he knocks down/develops the Jimmy Seed Stand, reducing the capacity and builds flats or offices with the income going to Staprix and not Charlton.
Thing is. There is no commercial development potential around The Valley unless it's some flats. Hotels, shops are not going to happen. There is no land around the stadium he can buy for peanuts or otherwise. Limited scope for the scenario Dreke painted.
Yes, but it will be bad enough and not reverseable, if he knocks down/develops the Jimmy Seed Stand, reducing the capacity and builds flats or offices with the income going to Staprix and not Charlton.
Agreed but flats behind the Jimmy Seed wouldn't be a complete disaster provided the seating capacity was not reduced. We would need to see the plans before completely condemning. My problem with it is that from Drekes post it would appear any financial benefit would not go to the club. That's not acceptable.
- After huge protest against him in Liège, he announced he would put the club up for sale. Nothing happened since. - Between Sint-Truiden, Tubize and Standard players switch very often. It's no exception when there are 4 to 5 five players on loan from Standard at Sint-Truiden. None are of real added value. - Charlton will be just one link in his football club imperium. - Duchatelet is often seen as an idiot in football matters. - At first, we were delighted to see him arrive at our club. 10 years later, he is the worst thing that could have happened to us. - He got me that far that I am doubting to buy a season ticket in the future.
- Are there any plans for a new ground at Charlton? Because that's what is importent for him in Sint-Truiden and Liège. I can not speak for Ujpest, Zena and Tubize.
- I have the feeling that the bigger part of the Sint-Truiden fans have the same view as me. Altough I'm not sure. But there are also people who believe he has saved our club.
- Maybe he brings you back to the Premier League, maybe he destroys you completely. No one knows. - With this post, I only want to prevent you guys from (potentially) misplaced euphoria.
Some of these above have proved to be so on the money it is ridiculous
The bit in Dreke's post about RD's staff telling bare faced lies to supporters was the bit that most chilled me. RD's blueprint for running a football club for The Sole Benefit of Mr RD seems to have been thoroughly tested out before he rocked up to SE7. He's hard not to call him a complete **** because that is surely what this man is.
- After huge protest against him in Liège, he announced he would put the club up for sale. Nothing happened since. - Between Sint-Truiden, Tubize and Standard players switch very often. It's no exception when there are 4 to 5 five players on loan from Standard at Sint-Truiden. None are of real added value. - Charlton will be just one link in his football club imperium. - Duchatelet is often seen as an idiot in football matters. - At first, we were delighted to see him arrive at our club. 10 years later, he is the worst thing that could have happened to us. - He got me that far that I am doubting to buy a season ticket in the future.
- Are there any plans for a new ground at Charlton? Because that's what is importent for him in Sint-Truiden and Liège. I can not speak for Ujpest, Zena and Tubize.
- I have the feeling that the bigger part of the Sint-Truiden fans have the same view as me. Altough I'm not sure. But there are also people who believe he has saved our club.
- Maybe he brings you back to the Premier League, maybe he destroys you completely. No one knows. - With this post, I only want to prevent you guys from (potentially) misplaced euphoria.
Some of these above have proved to be so on the money it is ridiculous
You forgot this one, AFKA...
"I'm disgusted by him and his accomplices who don't fear lieing straight in the fans' faces at supporters meetings."
I'm a fan of one of Roland Duchatelet's teams: K Sint-Truidense VV.
STVV is a club that played for years in the Belgian top flight. In search for extra money (let's say 10 years ago) our Commercial Manager wrote a letter to the top-100 richest Belgians. That's how RD got involved in our club in a sponsordeal. As years went by RD became the president of our club. He managed to buy the football ground and the grounds around it. A few years ago he built a new stand with shops, offices, a hotel etc. The year of the construction we were relegated but got promoted after one year in the second division. Our goalkeeper that year was Simon Mignolet. Yep, now at Liverpool FC.
He took over Ujpest in Hungaria. His son Roderick is president over there.
When Standard Liège was for sale, he jumped on that wagon. Since you can not own two teams in one flight, he "gave" STVV to his wife Marieke Hofte. We got relegated due to a lack of investment and now still play in the second division. A new stand is being built at the moment. Google on "Stayen".
He took over another second division team (Tubize) and a few weeks ago Jena as you all know.
To round up. He owns (or is involved in): - Standard de Liège - Sint-Truiden VV - Tubize AFC - Carl Zeiss Jena - Ujpest FC
That is a brief (and incomplete) round up of his history in football.
What I think you all should know: - He bought the grounds around Staaien for peanuts from the city council. He's transforming the ground into something multifunctional. The benefits go straight into his pockets. No bennefit for the club. - After huge protest against him in Liège, he announced he would put the club up for sale. Nothing happened since. Of course the results of Standard (first in the league) helps him with that. - Between Sint-Truiden, Tubize and Standard players switch very often. It's no exception when there are 4 to 5 five players on loan from Standard at Sint-Truiden. None are of real added value. - The president of STVV is a close friend and businesspartner of Duchatelet.
What I want to warn you for: - Charlton will be just one link in his football club imperium. - Duchatelet is often seen as an idiot in football matters. But no one can deny he is a genious in businesses. - At first, we were delighted to see him arrive at our club. 10 years later, he is the worst thing that could have happened to us. We don't own our own ground any more (it's like a bird locked up in a golden cage), we got relegated to second devision thanks to his policy and now he still has his shadow hanging over us. I honestly believe he wants us to stay there because that's better for him. - He got me that far that I am doubting to buy a season ticket in the future. I'm disgusted by him and his accomplices who don't fear lieing straight in the fans' faces at supporters meetings.
What I would like to know from you: - Are there any plans for a new ground at Charlton? Because that's what is importent for him in Sint-Truiden and Liège. I can not speak for Ujpest, Zena and Tubize.
A fiew last remarks: - I have the feeling that the bigger part of the Sint-Truiden fans have the same view as me. Altough I'm not sure. But there are also people who believe he has saved our club. - This is only a very brief round up. It is far more complicated than this. So if you have questions, just ask them. I'll try to visit your forum on a regular basis. - Maybe he brings you back to the Premier League, maybe he destroys you completely. No one knows. Maybe we will see Charlton players in Sint-Truiden, Zena, Liège and Tubize. Or the other way around. No one knows. - With this post, I only want to prevent you guys from (potentially) misplaced euforia. - I did my best to express myself in English. That's what we do. :-) Please don't botter on general remarks about Belgians like the ones in a post in this treath. They are short-sighted.
At least now we know that we aren't the only club with some proper specials as fans.
How long has he been involved at St trudien now? Over ten years? Please don't say we have to protest for that long. I want our club back. You massive massive turds
My emotions are all over the place, sometimes i feel angry, sometimes i feel i do not care anymore, sometimes i laugh at our situation because its so ridiculous and after reading drekes post it has made me fecking angry again. Think the time is coming for me to take my anger at roland to his fecking pitch. Rather have a mudfield and a honest owner than a Lovely pitch.
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The thing that concerns me most is that he has had STVV for 10 years! Is this what we have to look forward to for the next 10 years? Because I don't think there will be much of a club left by then if that is the case.
*"Tightwad is a village in Henry County, Missouri, United States. Its population was 64 at the 2010 United States Census." Wiki.
That way RD only pays one fee to service all his clubs.
Woah, forgotten about this. @Dreke373 pretty much predicted our future.
STTV's profit from redevelopment goes to RD not STTV.
Excuse me for hoping that RD falls under a train.
Some of these above have proved to be so on the money it is ridiculous
He's hard not to call him a complete **** because that is surely what this man is.
"I'm disgusted by him and his accomplices who don't fear lieing straight in the fans' faces at supporters meetings."
(in a non sexual context)