Katrien Meire

Curb_It

nth london addick said:

Isn't that the same thing ab there is more vitriol and discussion about her ability and capabilities due to those who wish them to fail due to their own preconceived ideas and agendas

Same as RD I said I'd give him time and watch the way he does his stuff before I decide if he is good or bad

To run a successful club and business takes time, mistakes and effort

So far I can see all three, and there are also good things and decisions being made

I don't agree with Luzon I don't think it is a good decision I don't know if it's a mistake

What I do know is Powell had to go, from the disruption in the team and the lack of respect shown by BP and the players to BP

He had to go

Riga worked

BP to a point worked

Let's see if Km and GL works

Powell had to go...

I completely disagree with your comment. I'd much rather be sitting mid to lower table season upon season with an old friend rather than be saddled with a conveyor belt of non entities.

Stone

Bravo Curb_it

Uboat

nth london addick said:

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Same as RD I said I'd give him time and watch the way he does his stuff before I decide if he is good or bad

To run a successful club and business takes time, mistakes and effort

How long are you planning to give him?

What evidence is there that he has learned from any mistakes yet?

nth_london_addick

Powelly had to go b because he couldn't work within the way Rd wanted to run the club, that caused issues in the ranks and the players fell too pieces

Rd paid his money he makes the choices, Powell couldn't win that and shouldnt be allowed too,

So he had to go, if Powell stayed and Rd went who knows what woukdve happened to the club

He gets a couple of years u boat same as I think every manager should get, two summer transfer windows is enough to see intent and ambition

lordromford

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Fanny Fanackapan said:

OK.

I KNOW I swore that I wouldn't post again on either this thread or the FF discussion but having read all the above plus the numerous( and valid) posts elsewhere on the site, 2 pieces of "classic" TV/film memories are uppermost in my mind.

No1 is the scene in The Exorcist when the possessed girl's head started spinning around - Tonight, I now know exactly how she must have felt.

And no 2 is that "famous" scene in Dallas when Bobby Ewing emerged from the shower to learn that everything he thought had happened of late was merely a dream.

That's what I'm hoping for tomorrow morning.

Come on Fanny - everyone knows it was Pam Ewing who woke from the dream, not Bobby!
You've got to get your references to half-baked, poorly-written, badly-acted soap operas right! Next you'll be saying Amy Turtle from Crossroads was a Russian spy!

HantsAddick

Someone said we should give RD time. Well, I gave him a year to see what happened, and during that he seemed to have the right idea as the Riga change certainly worked. However, since then he seems to have lost the plot, and am getting tired of him changing managers every few months, with each one being worse than the one before. I know Luzon hasn't (officially) done anything yet, but if last week was the result of the impact his appointment has made, I can only fear the worst!

roseandcrown

Dazzler21 said:

roseandcrown said:

Dazzler21 said:

Greenie Junior said:

Personally think she's poison and the sooner her and RD leave the better

Yep, get shot of them right now. All those other multi-billionaires out there that want to buy us up will have a bidding war.

Or we'll have to go into admin and end up being bought cheap and having to do a saints esque full rebuild from the lower teirs of the game.

So we should settle for what ever Roly wants to do and just accept it because no one else will buy us?

I just don't think we have given Roland a proper chance.

Would Slater and Jiminez have been better than this?

I disagree most have been willing to give RD the benefit of doubt once Powell was sacked and word come out that he was getting involved in team section, Most accepted that Riga was movd on becuade

nth london addick said:

Powelly had to go b because he couldn't work within the way Rd wanted to run the club, that caused issues in the ranks and the players fell too pieces

Rd paid his money he makes the choices, Powell couldn't win that and shouldnt be allowed too,

So he had to go, if Powell stayed and Rd went who knows what woukdve happened to the club

He gets a couple of years u boat same as I think every manager should get, two summer transfer windows is enough to see intent and ambition

Judging any manager by transfer window is pointless under rd.


Not digging you out nla but I hate it when people say he has paid his money he can do what he wants.

No it's our club he is playing with.

Would people say the same if he

Changed the strip to millwall blue

Wanted to move and ground share

nth_london_addick

I don't mean the manager I will judge Rd by the second summer window

roseandcrown

nth london addick said:

I don't mean the manager I will judge Rd by the second summer window

Ok fair enough mis understood that bit.

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WSS

Whereas now we're spiralling to the bottom with no hope and no team spirit.

We're like Blackpool from last year, but worse.

IdleHans

We were bottom with no hope four games in hand and a decent cup run under Powell

RedChaser

colin1961 said:

Curb_It said:

nth london addick said:

Isn't that the same thing ab there is more vitriol and discussion about her ability and capabilities due to those who wish them to fail due to their own preconceived ideas and agendas

Same as RD I said I'd give him time and watch the way he does his stuff before I decide if he is good or bad

To run a successful club and business takes time, mistakes and effort

So far I can see all three, and there are also good things and decisions being made

I don't agree with Luzon I don't think it is a good decision I don't know if it's a mistake

What I do know is Powell had to go, from the disruption in the team and the lack of respect shown by BP and the players to BP

He had to go

Riga worked

BP to a point worked

Let's see if Km and GL works

Powell had to go...

I completely disagree with your comment. I'd much rather be sitting mid to lower table season upon season with an old friend rather than be saddled with a conveyor belt of non entities.

We were bottom with no hope under Powell

Just as well, not only is he a happily married man but he had enough on his plate trying to do his job having been shafted by the spivs followed by an interfering, megalomaniac on his case. We will never know what might have been, end off.

Uboat

colin1961 said:

Curb_It said:

nth london addick said:

Isn't that the same thing ab there is more vitriol and discussion about her ability and capabilities due to those who wish them to fail due to their own preconceived ideas and agendas

Same as RD I said I'd give him time and watch the way he does his stuff before I decide if he is good or bad

To run a successful club and business takes time, mistakes and effort

So far I can see all three, and there are also good things and decisions being made

I don't agree with Luzon I don't think it is a good decision I don't know if it's a mistake

What I do know is Powell had to go, from the disruption in the team and the lack of respect shown by BP and the players to BP

He had to go

Riga worked

BP to a point worked

Let's see if Km and GL works

Powell had to go...

I completely disagree with your comment. I'd much rather be sitting mid to lower table season upon season with an old friend rather than be saddled with a conveyor belt of non entities.

We were bottom with no hope under Powell

Speak for yourself. I think we'd have stayed up under Powell, despite certain people continually stating that relegation was inevitable.

PL54

Curb_It said:

nth london addick said:

Isn't that the same thing ab there is more vitriol and discussion about her ability and capabilities due to those who wish them to fail due to their own preconceived ideas and agendas

Same as RD I said I'd give him time and watch the way he does his stuff before I decide if he is good or bad

To run a successful club and business takes time, mistakes and effort

So far I can see all three, and there are also good things and decisions being made

I don't agree with Luzon I don't think it is a good decision I don't know if it's a mistake

What I do know is Powell had to go, from the disruption in the team and the lack of respect shown by BP and the players to BP

He had to go

Riga worked

BP to a point worked

Let's see if Km and GL works

I completely disagree with your comment. I'd much rather be sitting mid to lower table season upon season..

Of which division?

Scoham

colin1961 said:

Curb_It said:

nth london addick said:

Isn't that the same thing ab there is more vitriol and discussion about her ability and capabilities due to those who wish them to fail due to their own preconceived ideas and agendas

Same as RD I said I'd give him time and watch the way he does his stuff before I decide if he is good or bad

To run a successful club and business takes time, mistakes and effort

So far I can see all three, and there are also good things and decisions being made

I don't agree with Luzon I don't think it is a good decision I don't know if it's a mistake

What I do know is Powell had to go, from the disruption in the team and the lack of respect shown by BP and the players to BP

He had to go

Riga worked

BP to a point worked

Let's see if Km and GL works

Powell had to go...

I completely disagree with your comment. I'd much rather be sitting mid to lower table season upon season with an old friend rather than be saddled with a conveyor belt of non entities.

We were bottom with no hope under Powell

Some also said we were going down under Powell for the whole of the previous season, and two years before that he'd never take us up from League One. He proved people wrong several times.

He was never going to work the way RD wanted him to, but there's no way anyone can be so sure that we'd have gone down (or stayed up) under him. The team spirit played a big part in us staying up, it's not impossible that Powell, who built it up in the first place, would have done a similar job to Riga.

nth_london_addick

WSS said:

Whereas now we're spiralling to the bottom with no hope and no team spirit.

We're like Blackpool from last year, but worse.

but that started under BP and yet only a few mths ago we were unbeaten and playing well,

something happened in the last 8 weeks and RD has seemingly acted upon it none of us know how this will pain out we can only guess and pressume

hence why i said i dont think Luzon is a good idea but i dont know

PragueAddick

nth london addick said:

WSS said:

Whereas now we're spiralling to the bottom with no hope and no team spirit.

We're like Blackpool from last year, but worse.

but that started under BP and yet only a few mths ago we were unbeaten and playing well,

something happened in the last 8 weeks and RD has seemingly acted upon it none of us know how this will pain out we can only guess and pressume

hence why i said i dont think Luzon is a good idea but i dont know

There is another approach we can take. Get behind the team. Be open minded about Luzon, and therefore about RD. Sure.

But not to sit through the rest of the season shaking, like condemned prisoners, while we find out whether we are heading for oblivion, and then only reacting when we are back in the third division.

Instead, educate ourselves on the financial realities of this god awful Championship set up, and the facts about what decisions are being made at Charlton, who makes them and why.

And then, armed with that understanding, Go and take the argument to RD that there is a better way, both for us and for him.
Of course it won't be easy, the Standard fans have so far failed. So what. We are Charlton, we don't sit around in the pub moaning, we get up off our asses and change things. Using brains, not bricks.

Now join the Trust, you big lump. :-)

Henry Irving

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CharltonByBlood said:

From inside the club i was told she is worse then RD.

but they also told me wrong information on the manager.

but this is from a working view, "Mate she is far worse then RD trust me, Completely out her range here, She wanted Peeters out was mainly her decision "

Take from that what you will

Fair enough and don't doubt you but not what I've been told by numerous people who work at the club. The staff I've spoken to hold her in high regard.

Yes, she is well liked. That is not the same as being competent, as you should have learned with Mr Waggott.

I said she was held in high regard.

I can no more comment on her competence than you can because neither of us are working for her.

Apart from the head coach situation, I have to assume she is responsible and accountable for decisions on the non-football side because she is called chief executive. A number of these - programme sellers being one - have been transparently daft.

I'm not ready to say she isn't competent, but the evidence is accumulating against her.

I seem to remember a lot of people saying the same about you. Well, you were sacked so you must have been no good at your job was the argument.

That wasn't true then and it isn't necessarily true about KM now.

Just as it wasn't true about Steve "as a CEO he makes a good finance manager" Kavanagh.

Sure, people wanted to draw conclusions about me, especially because some wanted it to be true to suit their own preconceptions, but I'm not sure it could ever realistically have been about competence, particularly since the club had made a statement to the national press about "gross misconduct". As you'll recall, many also insisted on here that Peter Varney and Steve Kavanagh had left amicably, which wasn't exactly an evidence-based approach either.

Yet when the boot is on the other foot..
..

nth_london_addick

Didn't work for liege though Prague, even direct action didn't work, Rd is Marmite from the fans I spoke to last week, where as Luzon is rated as just shit

dickplumb

I agree Prague, we shouldn't just sit on our arses. But re- joining the Trust is not an option for me. The Trust are like a dog with no teeth, they have no bite. I have withdrawn my support after fifty three years and will not renew my Season Ticket for next Season. I know it will hurt the Club if more people did this but maybe KM and RD might sit up and take notice. It seems that money is all they understand.

stilladdicted

After years of pathetic interest rates, our savings are not going to see us through so we have to make choices. We won't be renewing either as we have happier things to do with the money. That's our choice and it may be that we are considered lousy supporters, but life is certainly too short for us tartans to spend money on being made miserable.

PragueAddick

nth london addick said:

Didn't work for liege though Prague, even direct action didn't work, Rd is Marmite from the fans I spoke to last week, where as Luzon is rated as just shit

I acknowledged the Standard fans have so failed. But on Wednesday Razil and I will be talking to the leader of Standard's biggest fan group. We will listen, understand and learn from them.

@dickplumb. We are going to help RD and KM understand that many fans have the same attitude as you, and that they need to take action before it's too late. You have your individual view and choice and I respect it. But did you not read the discussion in the other thread, when someone tried to rewrite history by claiming boycotts were what influenced the Club to give up on Selhurst? It was utter tosh. We turned up, hating every minute but supporting the team. We organised ourselves, said "we have to go home", before anyone in the boardroom was thinking such a thing, and stood our ground, taking on all comers, until we got home.

If you bare your teeth every five minutes, everyone gets used to it, and no one thinks you are going to bite.

Airman Brown

Henry Irving said:

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Airman Brown said:

Henry Irving said:

CharltonByBlood said:

From inside the club i was told she is worse then RD.

but they also told me wrong information on the manager.

but this is from a working view, "Mate she is far worse then RD trust me, Completely out her range here, She wanted Peeters out was mainly her decision "

Take from that what you will

Fair enough and don't doubt you but not what I've been told by numerous people who work at the club. The staff I've spoken to hold her in high regard.

Yes, she is well liked. That is not the same as being competent, as you should have learned with Mr Waggott.

I said she was held in high regard.

I can no more comment on her competence than you can because neither of us are working for her.

Apart from the head coach situation, I have to assume she is responsible and accountable for decisions on the non-football side because she is called chief executive. A number of these - programme sellers being one - have been transparently daft.

I'm not ready to say she isn't competent, but the evidence is accumulating against her.

I seem to remember a lot of people saying the same about you. Well, you were sacked so you must have been no good at your job was the argument.

That wasn't true then and it isn't necessarily true about KM now.

Just as it wasn't true about Steve "as a CEO he makes a good finance manager" Kavanagh.

Sure, people wanted to draw conclusions about me, especially because some wanted it to be true to suit their own preconceptions, but I'm not sure it could ever realistically have been about competence, particularly since the club had made a statement to the national press about "gross misconduct". As you'll recall, many also insisted on here that Peter Varney and Steve Kavanagh had left amicably, which wasn't exactly an evidence-based approach either.

Yet when the boot is on the other foot..
..

I am suggesting that judgements should be based on evidence. With a chief exec they are responsible for decisions, some of which we can see and some of which we won't. But we can reasonably say that the chief exec owns the decisions we see - or conclude that she is not really chief exec, but a PA.

The judgement you refer to about me was not supported by any evidence and could not, legally, follow from what was known. So your argument makes no sense. All you are saying is that we can't know anything because we are not employees, which is nonsense.

dickplumb

Yes I did read the discussion on the other thread. If you take action of any sort it requires the owner to actually listen to what you are saying. Standard Liege fans have taken many forms of action, rioting, breaking into the club and confronting Roland etc. Has this worked? No. Maybe RD is intransigent and will dig his heels in even further. I have decided to take my own form of action. If the take up of Season Tickets is down by say 50 per cent, surely Katrien and RD will sit up and take notice? But I won't hold my breath.

Oakster

Uboat said:

colin1961 said:

Curb_It said:

nth london addick said:

Isn't that the same thing ab there is more vitriol and discussion about her ability and capabilities due to those who wish them to fail due to their own preconceived ideas and agendas

Same as RD I said I'd give him time and watch the way he does his stuff before I decide if he is good or bad

To run a successful club and business takes time, mistakes and effort

So far I can see all three, and there are also good things and decisions being made

I don't agree with Luzon I don't think it is a good decision I don't know if it's a mistake

What I do know is Powell had to go, from the disruption in the team and the lack of respect shown by BP and the players to BP

He had to go

Riga worked

BP to a point worked

Let's see if Km and GL works

Powell had to go...

I completely disagree with your comment. I'd much rather be sitting mid to lower table season upon season with an old friend rather than be saddled with a conveyor belt of non entities.

We were bottom with no hope under Powell

Speak for yourself. I think we'd have stayed up under Powell, despite certain people continually stating that relegation was inevitable.

Oh come on before making these wild assertions, let's have a concrete example of where Powell went on a winning run at tail end of a Championship season and propelled us up the table!

Dansk_Red

Oakster said:

Uboat said:

colin1961 said:

Curb_It said:

nth london addick said:

Isn't that the same thing ab there is more vitriol and discussion about her ability and capabilities due to those who wish them to fail due to their own preconceived ideas and agendas

Same as RD I said I'd give him time and watch the way he does his stuff before I decide if he is good or bad

To run a successful club and business takes time, mistakes and effort

So far I can see all three, and there are also good things and decisions being made

I don't agree with Luzon I don't think it is a good decision I don't know if it's a mistake

What I do know is Powell had to go, from the disruption in the team and the lack of respect shown by BP and the players to BP

He had to go

Riga worked

BP to a point worked

Let's see if Km and GL works

Powell had to go...

I completely disagree with your comment. I'd much rather be sitting mid to lower table season upon season with an old friend rather than be saddled with a conveyor belt of non entities.

We were bottom with no hope under Powell

Speak for yourself. I think we'd have stayed up under Powell, despite certain people continually stating that relegation was inevitable.

Oh come on before making these wild assertions, let's have a concrete example of where Powell went on a winning run at tail end of a Championship season and propelled us up the table!

2012-2013 Season of the last 12 matches 6won 4draws 2lost going unbeaten for the last 8 and finishing 9th in the league the only time CP was with us for the end of a Championship season. We were 15th going into the last 12 matches

Covered End

stilladdicted said:

After years of pathetic interest rates, our savings are not going to see us through so we have to make choices. We won't be renewing either as we have happier things to do with the money. That's our choice and it may be that we are considered lousy supporters, but life is certainly too short for us tartans to spend money on being made miserable.

Presumably, this is unfortunately irrelevant.

If we had the best run club in England and were in the top 4 of The Premier League.

The S/T prices would probably be double, so you wouldn't be renewing in any case.

If it's not affordable to you, then the state of the club is irrelevant. No offence intended.

stilladdicted

No offence taken CE but it is not irrelevant We would choose to spend our money on CAFC if we were gaining any pleasure from it, and other things would be given up instead.

boogica

fair play for going by train again to wolves , seems to me this lady honestly does have the best interests of our club at heart, obviously a lot of decisions ain't up to her but I applaud her today .