Athletico, feed SL our good stuff! LOL. What player from our first team squad would really be open to that? RD can't force a player to go there. This is all a load of our tosh perpetuated by he media and people are buying it.
That is unfair. If there is one poster on here who will take on any challenge head on, and indeed do so in real life too, it is @Airman Brown.
Contrast that with the video of Roland Duchatelet. There seems to have been a bit of video lost in the editing suite. The bit where he states why he sacked CP. Careless editing...
The only part where he really refers to Powell's actual sacking is this: "He (Powell) did a really good job in getting Charlton back into the Championship, but the facts are the facts and then you do what you really have to do….OK, that’s what we did."
Not exactly detailed but that hints strongly towards a clash of thinking that could not be resolved so RD sacked his manager.
Which he is well within his rights to do as I have repeatedly stated. Powell would not bend, RD would not bend, so RD acted strongly and decisively (correctly is still up in the air.) I admire Powell but I cannot help but feeling that at least a portion of this falling out lies on his shoulders - RD seems a little too pragmatic to conjure some argument out of thin air.
Fine. Bend about what exactly? What is the issue? Why not just tell us?
Well we were all lead to believe that it was because he wouldn't pick the players that RD managed to bring into the Club, rather than the one's CP wanted to pick.
It was reported on here and reported in the press. If you say something enough times, then enough people will believe you.
Yesterdays line up and bench really quashes that 'fact'.
Yesterday's bench doesn't quash that fact at all, some players were injured so not available for selection and Riga will have drawn his own conclusions on players.
The bottom line is that RD has his vision for how the club should conduct transfer policy - that is his absolute right as he is the owner - and CP disagreed with him.
There were clearly issues over player selection, it may not have been as straightforward as RD demanding CP select certain players but COULD have been a case of CP requesting a new right-back or striker and RD saying, "I already brought in Reza/Lego, why not just play them?"
So, its probably not a simple case of RD telling ANY manager that "I wan't Astrid playing centre midfield" but more a case of a manager asking for certain players but RD telling them that he wants them to use the available players in "the network" rather than bring in new players.
I don't think this situation is quite as clear cut on either side of the fence as people think.
That is unfair. If there is one poster on here who will take on any challenge head on, and indeed do so in real life too, it is @Airman Brown.
Contrast that with the video of Roland Duchatelet. There seems to have been a bit of video lost in the editing suite. The bit where he states why he sacked CP. Careless editing...
The only part where he really refers to Powell's actual sacking is this: "He (Powell) did a really good job in getting Charlton back into the Championship, but the facts are the facts and then you do what you really have to do….OK, that’s what we did."
Not exactly detailed but that hints strongly towards a clash of thinking that could not be resolved so RD sacked his manager.
Which he is well within his rights to do as I have repeatedly stated. Powell would not bend, RD would not bend, so RD acted strongly and decisively (correctly is still up in the air.) I admire Powell but I cannot help but feeling that at least a portion of this falling out lies on his shoulders - RD seems a little too pragmatic to conjure some argument out of thin air.
Fine. Bend about what exactly? What is the issue? Why not just tell us?
I don't know what the actual issue is, I really don't and NEVER said I do. Perhaps it was that Powell was being 'leaned on' to play certain players (without ever resorting to 'play them or get sacked') - unlikely on current team selections. Perhaps Duchatelet wanted more control over who actually got signed - regardless of whether they played or not - which CP would be well within his rights to protest, but we've seen Powell type signings in Tudgay and Obika, presumably on Dyer's suggestion but not by any possible definition Liege rejects, so RD is willing to spend money outside the network. Maybe it was simply they didn't get on on a personal level. Maybe it was something no-one knows a thing about. BUT something has gone from there being promising signs (CP himself confirmed contract talks ongoing but not finalised) to Powell is fired. There must have been something that they just could not agree on for whatever reason. Powell wouldn't compromise, RD wouldn't compromise, the results were doing nothing to prove Powell actually knew best - so it's so long Mr Powell as far as Duchatelet is concerned, and frankly it is not a totally bonkers, stupid Venky's/Tan type decision. The fact that Riga is left to his own devices, new signings have come in (of the kind Powell favoured no less) and Dyer has been kept on only leads me to suspect the disagreement between CP and the big boss was just as much personal as professiona.
All speculative I admit but no more than 'RD will tear the club's heart out and sell all our good players to Liege' - of which we have NO evidence despite many trying to convince us otherwise. A few quotes from the Liege manager (who does not speak fantastic English and definitely DOES prioritise Liege) and some admittedly vague quotes from Duchatelet which he says to have been misinterpreted, and I can understand that point even if I don't totally agree.
He has done himself no favours from a P.R. perspective but in terms of results and football matters on the pitch and off (the new pitch, the boost to the academy, upgrading Sparrows' Lane) he is probably actually coming out in credit thus far to my mind - feel free to disagree if you will, but I stand by my opinions unless things go really downhill, really fast, really soon, and I'm seeing nothing to suggest that will happen.
Athletico, feed SL our good stuff! LOL. What player from our first team squad would really be open to that? RD can't force a player to go there. This is all a load of our tosh perpetuated by he media and people are buying it.
I don't know that, but I do know there is a lot more change to our current squad to happen. Let's see what happens in the post-season as I keep saying, let's see which league we are in and what sort of players we are bringing in.. We will be able to judge it a lot better, negativity may float away (which would be a good thing) or negativity may kick in more widespread (hopefully not)
You're telling people to stop being so positive because they have no idea what's going to happen
Am I? news to me!
And also I am not guessing as to anything, there is a very big IF at the start of my comment, IF that happens then there is reason to be worried. You've bit back at me when I am in no way being negative, I am saying as to why people have negativity looming in their heads. You judge whats happening as a bigger picture, you worry about what might happen and on the other hand you pray the better stuff will happen, so far the better stuff has happened, so far!
Ever since RD has taken over you've been posting very negatively and the word IF doesn't tend to appear in them.
I hope you are willing to wait until post-season, and I hope RD proves you wrong. I do worry about what might happen, but I don't let that cloud my judgement of the facts as I can see them right now, which are very positive for this football club.
Its OK, I wasnt expecting YOU to tell us what the issue between RD and CP was. I was expecting RD to tell us. He went to the trouble of making a glossy four minute video, and left out this information. That's a pity because if he would simply state what his strategy is, and that CP didnt buy it, I for one could live with that, until we see the consequences, because I do not believe RD wishes to see us do badly. But it's done, for better or for worse. We'll see.
Athletico, feed SL our good stuff! LOL. What player from our first team squad would really be open to that? RD can't force a player to go there. This is all a load of our tosh perpetuated by he media and people are buying it.
I don't know that, but I do know there is a lot more change to our current squad to happen. Let's see what happens in the post-season as I keep saying, let's see which league we are in and what sort of players we are bringing in.. We will be able to judge it a lot better, negativity may float away (which would be a good thing) or negativity may kick in more widespread (hopefully not)
This, for me, is the bottom line in all of this.
Its hard - and unfair - to judge RD on what he has done from January till the end of the season, the transfer window was closing and we were not in a position to bring in players - and its a bad time to buy anyway.
If we go down then the fans will be expecting RD to fund the sort of massive revamp of the squad that Kevin Cash funded in the summer of 2011 which effectively saw us buy the best available players for that level in Hollands, Wiggins, Morrison, Green, Evina and so on.
If we go down and RD does NOT do this and brings in untried network players in L1 and we struggle then you can bet your balls that all hell will break loose.
Similarly, if we stay up and we don't refresh the squad with adequate replacements (either from the network or elsewhere) then RD will again take stick from the fans.
People can talk about "long term vision" and "planning" as much as they like but in football this means nothing, you get judged by your results every Saturday/Wednesday and if the results are bad then nobody gives a f--k about your long term vision.
That is unfair. If there is one poster on here who will take on any challenge head on, and indeed do so in real life too, it is @Airman Brown.
Contrast that with the video of Roland Duchatelet. There seems to have been a bit of video lost in the editing suite. The bit where he states why he sacked CP. Careless editing...
The only part where he really refers to Powell's actual sacking is this: "He (Powell) did a really good job in getting Charlton back into the Championship, but the facts are the facts and then you do what you really have to do….OK, that’s what we did."
Not exactly detailed but that hints strongly towards a clash of thinking that could not be resolved so RD sacked his manager.
Which he is well within his rights to do as I have repeatedly stated. Powell would not bend, RD would not bend, so RD acted strongly and decisively (correctly is still up in the air.) I admire Powell but I cannot help but feeling that at least a portion of this falling out lies on his shoulders - RD seems a little too pragmatic to conjure some argument out of thin air.
Fine. Bend about what exactly? What is the issue? Why not just tell us?
Well we were all lead to believe that it was because he wouldn't pick the players that RD managed to bring into the Club, rather than the one's CP wanted to pick.
It was reported on here and reported in the press. If you say something enough times, then enough people will believe you.
Yesterdays line up and bench really quashes that 'fact'.
Yesterday's bench doesn't quash that fact at all, some players were injured so not available for selection and Riga will have drawn his own conclusions on players.
The player we kept getting told RD wanted to play and CP didn't want to play was Thuram-Ulien.
It's been on here and it's been in both the local and national press. It's been suggested in all three places that one of the reasons CP was sacked was because he chose Hamer instead.
He's available to play, yet JR hasn't picked him once. Surely that makes it clear these stories are made up balderdash? Or am I missing something?
That is unfair. If there is one poster on here who will take on any challenge head on, and indeed do so in real life too, it is @Airman Brown.
Contrast that with the video of Roland Duchatelet. There seems to have been a bit of video lost in the editing suite. The bit where he states why he sacked CP. Careless editing...
The only part where he really refers to Powell's actual sacking is this: "He (Powell) did a really good job in getting Charlton back into the Championship, but the facts are the facts and then you do what you really have to do….OK, that’s what we did."
Not exactly detailed but that hints strongly towards a clash of thinking that could not be resolved so RD sacked his manager.
Which he is well within his rights to do as I have repeatedly stated. Powell would not bend, RD would not bend, so RD acted strongly and decisively (correctly is still up in the air.) I admire Powell but I cannot help but feeling that at least a portion of this falling out lies on his shoulders - RD seems a little too pragmatic to conjure some argument out of thin air.
Fine. Bend about what exactly? What is the issue? Why not just tell us?
Well we were all lead to believe that it was because he wouldn't pick the players that RD managed to bring into the Club, rather than the one's CP wanted to pick.
It was reported on here and reported in the press. If you say something enough times, then enough people will believe you.
Yesterdays line up and bench really quashes that 'fact'.
There were clearly issues over player selection, it may not have been as straightforward as RD demanding CP select certain players but COULD have been a case of CP requesting a new right-back or striker and RD saying, "I already brought in Reza/Lego, why not just play them?"
That isn't an issue over 'player selection' though. That is an issue with a manager wanting certain plyers being bought in and the owner saying 'no'. Get on with the tools you have. It was ever thus, at every Club in the Country.
Its OK, I wasnt expecting YOU to tell us what the issue between RD and CP was. I was expecting RD to tell us. He went to the trouble of making a glossy four minute video, and left out this information. That's a pity because if he would simply state what his strategy is, and that CP didnt buy it, I for one could live with that, until we see the consequences, because I do not believe RD wishes to see us do badly. But it's done, for better or for worse. We'll see.
Fair enough, and I concede that (as I did mention) RD has not helped himself in terms of P.R. and good publicity. But to judge by how things have gone/are going currently, I am more than happy to trade an inside view of RD's plan for success for the team/club - which right here and now seems a distinct possibility in my eyes. Once we see how this season ends and how we approach next season, maybe my opinion will change. But at the moment I see more that is encouraging than depressing.
Yes you are missing something. What are the circumstances in which he arrived in the first place? Surely even you, when asked at the beginning of the transfer window, which positions we needed to strengthen, did not answer "goalkeeper"
Well did you?
Of course Hamer was injured but apparently we have two very good young keepers on our books.
Of all the moves in the window, this one remains the most bizarre in my mind. Not least because it was the first one.
Athletico, feed SL our good stuff! LOL. What player from our first team squad would really be open to that? RD can't force a player to go there. This is all a load of our tosh perpetuated by he media and people are buying it.
its not even just the media its ex employees, who were hurt more by the old regieme and are clinging on to the last hope they have of being seen as the operation good guys
The circumstances were that the 3rd best French keeper was available due to the Japanese first choice, was in goal for Leige
Hamer was injured, and Alnwick was in goal, Thuram came in and was in the first team, was different to what we had and caused some fans concern, with an early error away to boro, but those fans failed to acknowledge the two great save in that match that kept us in it at 1 nil
Alnwick went to Orient and with 24hrs was not expected to be in a position to play due to personal issues, ( it would be naïve to think that we may not have been aware of this prior to getting Thuram)
Hamer gets fit during this period Powell puts him back in first choice, and he has been there ever since it was rumoured strongly Thuram was being forced to play in the qtr final, infact it was alleged that powell told a high profile fan in the board room this himself, and that he knew his time was up
now none of us know the real full story, but I believe theres a real amount of truth somewhere between what the newbie says and the pro powelly lobby are putting out ,
now remember I was very pro powell so I find it very strange that I believed the stories yet since he has gone Thuram still aint in goal
When yann left I mentioned agendas, due to the way there were people on here and on social media and on national media spinning the yann story to suit their view
mine was simple yann had a clause that after x games and we and he gets an extension on the same terms
the games that remained to invoke that were hudds in the fa cup and Donny, around the time its alleged yann made it clear he didn't want that clause to invoke and amazingly for no reason yann went but didn't play at hudds, yet was fit for donny
transfer window coming yann sold,
when everyone was caning RD this part of the story needed to come out but some didn't like it coming out but were more than happy to support the fact powelly didn't know where yann was or that he was being sold
yet I and others on here knew where he was and it made that story laughable as powelly knew
dale stephens, powell said in October could go so a non story as being sold without powells consent
so the stories about players don't really all add up yet the national press are still running with them, as are others and this is being misrepresented to cafc fans as fact
If only those with evidence to support the claims could really show the fans why we need to be so wary of RD and his plans
"Alnwick went to Orient and with 24hrs was not expected to be in a position to play due to personal issues, ( it would be naïve to think that we may not have been aware of this prior to getting Thuram)"
That, for me, is the key issue re Thuram. If your supposition is correct, I would have little problem with it. I accept too, that if it is true, it is not something the club can gab about. Not fair on Alnwick for a start.
I haven't seen Thuram live, but I think its fair to say that he was not properly prepared for a cold Tuesday night oop North when the home team are putting it in the mixer. In which case a short term loan of a keeper from this league might have been better, with Thuram replacing that loanee later. No?
The circumstances were that the 3rd best French keeper was available due to the Japanese first choice, was in goal for Leige
Hamer was injured, and Alnwick was in goal, Thuram came in and was in the first team, was different to what we had and caused some fans concern, with an early error away to boro, but those fans failed to acknowledge the two great save in that match that kept us in it at 1 nil
Alnwick went to Orient and with 24hrs was not expected to be in a position to play due to personal issues, ( it would be naïve to think that we may not have been aware of this prior to getting Thuram)
Hamer gets fit during this period Powell puts him back in first choice, and he has been there ever since it was rumoured strongly Thuram was being forced to play in the qtr final, infact it was alleged that powell told a high profile fan in the board room this himself, and that he knew his time was up
now none of us know the real full story, but I believe theres a real amount of truth somewhere between what the newbie says and the pro powelly lobby are putting out ,
now remember I was very pro powell so I find it very strange that I believed the stories yet since he has gone Thuram still aint in goal
When yann left I mentioned agendas, due to the way there were people on here and on social media and on national media spinning the yann story to suit their view
mine was simple yann had a clause that after x games and we and he gets an extension on the same terms
the games that remained to invoke that were hudds in the fa cup and Donny, around the time its alleged yann made it clear he didn't want that clause to invoke and amazingly for no reason yann went but didn't play at hudds, yet was fit for donny
transfer window coming yann sold,
when everyone was caning RD this part of the story needed to come out but some didn't like it coming out but were more than happy to support the fact powelly didn't know where yann was or that he was being sold
yet I and others on here knew where he was and it made that story laughable as powelly knew
dale stephens, powell said in October could go so a non story as being sold without powells consent
so the stories about players don't really all add up yet the national press are still running with them, as are others and this is being misrepresented to cafc fans as fact
If only those with evidence to support the claims could really show the fans why we need to be so wary of RD and his plans
Why would Powell lie about RD trying to force him to pick Thuram at Sheff U?! Surely RD was the one with the agenda, wanting to prove who was boss? The fact Riga is picking Hamer for me proves RD was the one playing games and forcing Powell out. The more I think about it, the more I blame RD for our cup exit and all that disappointment.
Why would Powell lie about RD trying to force him to pick Thuram at Sheff U?!
I havn't heard CP say that so wouldn't accuse him of lying. In fact I havn't heard anyone say that except from what I have read in the media/heard from 'sources' on here. That fact Riga hasn't picked him speaks volumes too for me.
Why would Powell lie about RD trying to force him to pick Thuram at Sheff U?! Surely RD was the one with the agenda, wanting to prove who was boss? The fact Riga is picking Hamer for me proves RD was the one playing games and forcing Powell out. The more I think about it, the more I blame RD for our cup exit and all that disappointment.
I'm sorry, but no, not at all. The only time Thuram has played since signing was when other keepers were not available - unless we fancied cutting short a loan that is doing Pope many favours, or throwing a teenage keeper in at the deep end without a float. Has Powell ever actually said that RD told him what players he should pick? In those exact words I mean, not hearsay and rumour. If you are convinced Powell and Riga both NOT playing the keeper picked/signed by RD is a sign of him somehow forcing events then frankly you have no objectivity and are refusing to even contemplate that just maybe Powell got it wrong.
He was a great player, a good manager and a fantastic servant to this club. But he was not infallible, and made mistakes - it seems just one too many for RD's liking. Powell picked the team, he set out the formation and it was he alone who was responsible for the tactical decisions made against Sheffield United... and it was he who got it wrong.
He wasn't sacked because of the Sheff U result...! You've completely missed my point, but never mind, that is standard practice on here at the moment.
No I haven't, I am saying that this apparent agenda of RD's is nothing of the kind. I mentioned Sheff U because it was the example you bought up - where RD apparently tried to pick the team on Powell's behalf, when there is no evidence that is the case. Please answer my question: has Powell himself EVER said that RD tried to force him to pick certain players for ANY game? Because from everything we've seen before and since the manager (whoever that may be) has the sole responsibility for team selection.
Powell was not sacked over that one specific result, and he was not sacked due to some shadowy Machiavellian scheme of Belgium's equivalent of Snidely Whiplash, there was disagreement between the two, Powell stuck by methods that were clearly NOT working (3-0 loss to Doncaster is just inexcusable) so he was disposed of. Any manager without the love and support that Powell had from the stands would have gone a long time ago - whoever the owner is.
He wasn't sacked because of the Sheff U result...! You've completely missed my point, but never mind, that is standard practice on here at the moment.
Taking your point, I hope, something was amiss on the day of the quarter final and from CP's and the players reaction we can only surmise it was down to the interraction between CP and RD. I agree that the Sheff U result did not cause the sacking, but it may have accelerated it or been the catalyst for the final decision.
I personally believe that RD would have kept CP, but on his terms only and they are probably vastly different from the terms that CP and most if not all previous Charlton managers have worked under. I suspect that RD decided that CP would not move and he was unwilling to compromise and decided that rather than a long drawn out period till resignation he gave CP an ultimatum with no wriggle room, his timing of telling CP may have been Saturday or Sunday pre match which would have been daft, given the importance of the match.
Has he told CP who to play, I suspect in no direct way, but in a way that could be construed either way. There has been press manipulation on both sides and that the "runes" can be read either way.
Should we trust RD, well no more than Alwen, Murray, TJ & MS - all of whom did good and bad for the club. What we do know is that since the club has moved out of fan ownership, then the owners will be trusted to do what is right for their business whether that is right for the club or not.
"Alnwick went to Orient and with 24hrs was not expected to be in a position to play due to personal issues, ( it would be naïve to think that we may not have been aware of this prior to getting Thuram)"
That, for me, is the key issue re Thuram. If your supposition is correct, I would have little problem with it. I accept too, that if it is true, it is not something the club can gab about. Not fair on Alnwick for a start.
I haven't seen Thuram live, but I think its fair to say that he was not properly prepared for a cold Tuesday night oop North when the home team are putting it in the mixer. In which case a short term loan of a keeper from this league might have been better, with Thuram replacing that loanee later. No?
Maybe but given the fact that we seem to take an age to get loanees in maybe we tried and failed, maybe as Frances third best keeper (Well somebody has said that, god help France) the management thought they could cover it for one game or as you say Rolaned said no you have a keeper use him, which won't be the first time CP was told that about a position (Left back last year I believe at one stage which brought Evina in).
Thuram is unconventional it seems but people on here are talking about him like he's been plucked off the street.
He's 25 years old, has represented France at U21 level, was an ever-present in Ligue 1 in 2012/13, and was reportedly signed for £1m+ by Standard Liege last summer.
None of this suggests he is the right keeper for us at the current time, but it's a bit of a stretch to imply the guy can't play a bit.
Why would Powell lie about RD trying to force him to pick Thuram at Sheff U?! Surely RD was the one with the agenda, wanting to prove who was boss? The fact Riga is picking Hamer for me proves RD was the one playing games and forcing Powell out. The more I think about it, the more I blame RD for our cup exit and all that disappointment.
This is how I've been viewing it since Riga's selection of Hamer. If what we have been told is correct.
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The bottom line is that RD has his vision for how the club should conduct transfer policy - that is his absolute right as he is the owner - and CP disagreed with him.
There were clearly issues over player selection, it may not have been as straightforward as RD demanding CP select certain players but COULD have been a case of CP requesting a new right-back or striker and RD saying, "I already brought in Reza/Lego, why not just play them?"
So, its probably not a simple case of RD telling ANY manager that "I wan't Astrid playing centre midfield" but more a case of a manager asking for certain players but RD telling them that he wants them to use the available players in "the network" rather than bring in new players.
I don't think this situation is quite as clear cut on either side of the fence as people think.
All speculative I admit but no more than 'RD will tear the club's heart out and sell all our good players to Liege' - of which we have NO evidence despite many trying to convince us otherwise. A few quotes from the Liege manager (who does not speak fantastic English and definitely DOES prioritise Liege) and some admittedly vague quotes from Duchatelet which he says to have been misinterpreted, and I can understand that point even if I don't totally agree.
He has done himself no favours from a P.R. perspective but in terms of results and football matters on the pitch and off (the new pitch, the boost to the academy, upgrading Sparrows' Lane) he is probably actually coming out in credit thus far to my mind - feel free to disagree if you will, but I stand by my opinions unless things go really downhill, really fast, really soon, and I'm seeing nothing to suggest that will happen.
I hope you are willing to wait until post-season, and I hope RD proves you wrong. I do worry about what might happen, but I don't let that cloud my judgement of the facts as I can see them right now, which are very positive for this football club.
Its OK, I wasnt expecting YOU to tell us what the issue between RD and CP was. I was expecting RD to tell us. He went to the trouble of making a glossy four minute video, and left out this information. That's a pity because if he would simply state what his strategy is, and that CP didnt buy it, I for one could live with that, until we see the consequences, because I do not believe RD wishes to see us do badly. But it's done, for better or for worse. We'll see.
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Its hard - and unfair - to judge RD on what he has done from January till the end of the season, the transfer window was closing and we were not in a position to bring in players - and its a bad time to buy anyway.
If we go down then the fans will be expecting RD to fund the sort of massive revamp of the squad that Kevin Cash funded in the summer of 2011 which effectively saw us buy the best available players for that level in Hollands, Wiggins, Morrison, Green, Evina and so on.
If we go down and RD does NOT do this and brings in untried network players in L1 and we struggle then you can bet your balls that all hell will break loose.
Similarly, if we stay up and we don't refresh the squad with adequate replacements (either from the network or elsewhere) then RD will again take stick from the fans.
People can talk about "long term vision" and "planning" as much as they like but in football this means nothing, you get judged by your results every Saturday/Wednesday and if the results are bad then nobody gives a f--k about your long term vision.
It's been on here and it's been in both the local and national press. It's been suggested in all three places that one of the reasons CP was sacked was because he chose Hamer instead.
He's available to play, yet JR hasn't picked him once. Surely that makes it clear these stories are made up balderdash? Or am I missing something? That isn't an issue over 'player selection' though. That is an issue with a manager wanting certain plyers being bought in and the owner saying 'no'. Get on with the tools you have. It was ever thus, at every Club in the Country.
Yes you are missing something. What are the circumstances in which he arrived in the first place? Surely even you, when asked at the beginning of the transfer window, which positions we needed to strengthen, did not answer "goalkeeper"
Well did you?
Of course Hamer was injured but apparently we have two very good young keepers on our books.
Of all the moves in the window, this one remains the most bizarre in my mind. Not least because it was the first one.
Hamer was injured, and Alnwick was in goal, Thuram came in and was in the first team, was different to what we had and caused some fans concern, with an early error away to boro, but those fans failed to acknowledge the two great save in that match that kept us in it at 1 nil
Alnwick went to Orient and with 24hrs was not expected to be in a position to play due to personal issues, ( it would be naïve to think that we may not have been aware of this prior to getting Thuram)
Hamer gets fit during this period Powell puts him back in first choice, and he has been there ever since
it was rumoured strongly Thuram was being forced to play in the qtr final, infact it was alleged that powell told a high profile fan in the board room this himself, and that he knew his time was up
now none of us know the real full story, but I believe theres a real amount of truth somewhere between what the newbie says and the pro powelly lobby are putting out ,
now remember I was very pro powell so I find it very strange that I believed the stories yet since he has gone Thuram still aint in goal
When yann left I mentioned agendas, due to the way there were people on here and on social media and on national media spinning the yann story to suit their view
mine was simple yann had a clause that after x games and we and he gets an extension on the same terms
the games that remained to invoke that were hudds in the fa cup and Donny, around the time its alleged yann made it clear he didn't want that clause to invoke and amazingly for no reason yann went but didn't play at hudds, yet was fit for donny
transfer window coming yann sold,
when everyone was caning RD this part of the story needed to come out but some didn't like it coming out but were more than happy to support the fact powelly didn't know where yann was or that he was being sold
yet I and others on here knew where he was and it made that story laughable as powelly knew
dale stephens, powell said in October could go so a non story as being sold without powells consent
so the stories about players don't really all add up yet the national press are still running with them, as are others and this is being misrepresented to cafc fans as fact
If only those with evidence to support the claims could really show the fans why we need to be so wary of RD and his plans
Only 48 hours and we can pay to find out
"Alnwick went to Orient and with 24hrs was not expected to be in a position to play due to personal issues, ( it would be naïve to think that we may not have been aware of this prior to getting Thuram)"
That, for me, is the key issue re Thuram. If your supposition is correct, I would have little problem with it. I accept too, that if it is true, it is not something the club can gab about. Not fair on Alnwick for a start.
I haven't seen Thuram live, but I think its fair to say that he was not properly prepared for a cold Tuesday night oop North when the home team are putting it in the mixer. In which case a short term loan of a keeper from this league might have been better, with Thuram replacing that loanee later. No?
He was a great player, a good manager and a fantastic servant to this club. But he was not infallible, and made mistakes - it seems just one too many for RD's liking. Powell picked the team, he set out the formation and it was he alone who was responsible for the tactical decisions made against Sheffield United... and it was he who got it wrong.
You've completely missed my point, but never mind, that is standard practice on here at the moment.
Powell was not sacked over that one specific result, and he was not sacked due to some shadowy Machiavellian scheme of Belgium's equivalent of Snidely Whiplash, there was disagreement between the two, Powell stuck by methods that were clearly NOT working (3-0 loss to Doncaster is just inexcusable) so he was disposed of. Any manager without the love and support that Powell had from the stands would have gone a long time ago - whoever the owner is.
I personally believe that RD would have kept CP, but on his terms only and they are probably vastly different from the terms that CP and most if not all previous Charlton managers have worked under. I suspect that RD decided that CP would not move and he was unwilling to compromise and decided that rather than a long drawn out period till resignation he gave CP an ultimatum with no wriggle room, his timing of telling CP may have been Saturday or Sunday pre match which would have been daft, given the importance of the match.
Has he told CP who to play, I suspect in no direct way, but in a way that could be construed either way. There has been press manipulation on both sides and that the "runes" can be read either way.
Should we trust RD, well no more than Alwen, Murray, TJ & MS - all of whom did good and bad for the club. What we do know is that since the club has moved out of fan ownership, then the owners will be trusted to do what is right for their business whether that is right for the club or not.
Before Thuram arrived, had the club flagged up to RD that there may be an issue with Alnwick?
I suspect VOTV may address the issue. Whether it too has evidence is something we will just have to make up our minds on
He's 25 years old, has represented France at U21 level, was an ever-present in Ligue 1 in 2012/13, and was reportedly signed for £1m+ by Standard Liege last summer.
None of this suggests he is the right keeper for us at the current time, but it's a bit of a stretch to imply the guy can't play a bit.