They don't show us Tyrion sneaking into the city or the Brotherhood being captured because they don't have time to. If they dedicated a couple of scenes to making this stuff believable (Tyrion sneaking around in a hood, the The Hound being surrounded) then we'd find it perfectly believable - but the overall story wouldn't be progressing. It's a trade off they make, and I think most of us are fine with it.
It's a bit like Batman getting out of the hole in the ground in TDKR. We can assume he was able to get home, we don't need to see him in an airport waiting lounge eating peanuts.
They don't show us Tyrion sneaking into the city or the Brotherhood being captured because they don't have time to. If they dedicated a couple of scenes to making this stuff believable (Tyrion sneaking around in a hood, the The Hound being surrounded) then we'd find it perfectly believable - but the overall story wouldn't be progressing. It's a trade off they make, and I think most of us are fine with it.
It's a bit like Batman getting out of the hole in the ground in TDKR. We can assume he was able to get home, we don't need to see him in an airport waiting lounge eating peanuts.
Don't get me started on The Dark Knight Rises and plotholes.
They don't show us Tyrion sneaking into the city or the Brotherhood being captured because they don't have time to. If they dedicated a couple of scenes to making this stuff believable (Tyrion sneaking around in a hood, the The Hound being surrounded) then we'd find it perfectly believable - but the overall story wouldn't be progressing. It's a trade off they make, and I think most of us are fine with it.
It's a bit like Batman getting out of the hole in the ground in TDKR. We can assume he was able to get home, we don't need to see him in an airport waiting lounge eating peanuts.
Don't get me started on The Dark Knight Rises and plotholes.
I agree where your coming from Jimmy, I think it was one of them things I thought about after. With them all meant to be great fighters how they were easily chucked in a cell.
I agree where your coming from Jimmy, I think it was one of them things I thought about after. With them all meant to be great fighters how they were easily chucked in a cell.
It is a fair question, and although I am ok with them glossing over that stuff, I really do wonder what the drive was to limit the final two seasons to 13 episodes. We were all perfectly happy watching them travel around the country in the early seasons, and would have enjoyed seeing how those three got locked up!
I don't think it's storytelling reasons that have caused this (which is what happened with LOST) - I think it might be budgetary and logistics. Like keeping that many actors under contract, or focussing the finances on the dragon CGI etc. Edit - maybe we'll understand more once the whole thing is finished.
I agree where your coming from Jimmy, I think it was one of them things I thought about after. With them all meant to be great fighters how they were easily chucked in a cell.
It is a fair question, and although I am ok with them glossing over that stuff, I really do wonder what the drive was to limit the final two seasons to 13 episodes. We were all perfectly happy watching them travel around the country in the early seasons, and would have enjoyed seeing how those three got locked up!
I don't think it's storytelling reasons that have caused this (which is what happened with LOST) - I think it might be budgetary and logistics. Like keeping that many actors under contract, or focussing the finances on the dragon CGI etc. Edit - maybe we'll understand more once the whole thing is finished.
There's just too much to get through. They kept a leisurely pace for the first several seasons but now they need to step it up a gear if they're going to get to the end. I quite like it though. I know that we would normally get loads more lingering in scenes but everyone is so well characterised now that we don't necessarily need any more tight character focus and I'm enjoying the feeling of being on the home straight. All the pieces are in place and now it's a shitfight to the end.
Arent the Brotherhood on the same page as Jon in terms of fighting the white walkers? So instead of kicking off, they went quietly and wanted to wait for the king in the north to hear there pleas? Only then to be happy that he shares the same views...then Clegane cuts Dondarrion off in typical Clegane style when he starts with his rousing speech!
I agree where your coming from Jimmy, I think it was one of them things I thought about after. With them all meant to be great fighters how they were easily chucked in a cell.
It is a fair question, and although I am ok with them glossing over that stuff, I really do wonder what the drive was to limit the final two seasons to 13 episodes. We were all perfectly happy watching them travel around the country in the early seasons, and would have enjoyed seeing how those three got locked up!
I don't think it's storytelling reasons that have caused this (which is what happened with LOST) - I think it might be budgetary and logistics. Like keeping that many actors under contract, or focussing the finances on the dragon CGI etc. Edit - maybe we'll understand more once the whole thing is finished.
I reckon this as well. Got to take into account they still have enough characters that they can drop a few each week, ie no greyjoy talk this week
Remember this is meant to be years on from him killing his dad...
The average joes of Kings Landing would be forgiven for not recognising his bearded face. He's just another dwarf to everyone who may be uneducated.
He also met Jamie in the underground caverns so I assume he knew a way to get there unseen.
Was it his dad he killed? Tyrion could be a Targaryen. Could be the illegitimate son of the Mad King? Would explain how he acquainted himself with the Daenery's dragons.
One of the issues they had is less time each year to film due to the weather. As each season has passed they've got closer and closer to Winter, so need to film when it at least looks cold. Plus, in these closing seasons, more of the story is based in the North, there's fewer sunny scenes in Essos and southern Westeros
I agree where your coming from Jimmy, I think it was one of them things I thought about after. With them all meant to be great fighters how they were easily chucked in a cell.
It is a fair question, and although I am ok with them glossing over that stuff, I really do wonder what the drive was to limit the final two seasons to 13 episodes. We were all perfectly happy watching them travel around the country in the early seasons, and would have enjoyed seeing how those three got locked up!
I don't think it's storytelling reasons that have caused this (which is what happened with LOST) - I think it might be budgetary and logistics. Like keeping that many actors under contract, or focussing the finances on the dragon CGI etc. Edit - maybe we'll understand more once the whole thing is finished.
I thought it was already known to be budgetry, I thought they already knew how many episodes each actor was signed up for?
Remember this is meant to be years on from him killing his dad...
The average joes of Kings Landing would be forgiven for not recognising his bearded face. He's just another dwarf to everyone who may be uneducated.
He also met Jamie in the underground caverns so I assume he knew a way to get there unseen.
"Just another dwarf", I'm pretty sure there aren't that many in Kings Landing haha. He was hand to the king and it's not like he's been Theon'd that he's unrecognisable with a bit of facial hair.
I have genuinely let so much go in terms of believability and just enjoyed the show but that one is just lazy writing.
You need 10 seconds more of Varys and Tyrion talking in the strategy room about some path it's hardly going to slow down the whole series to fill these plotholes where you just either accept that the writing is wrong or have to make up some back story yourself.
I agree where your coming from Jimmy, I think it was one of them things I thought about after. With them all meant to be great fighters how they were easily chucked in a cell.
It is a fair question, and although I am ok with them glossing over that stuff, I really do wonder what the drive was to limit the final two seasons to 13 episodes. We were all perfectly happy watching them travel around the country in the early seasons, and would have enjoyed seeing how those three got locked up!
I don't think it's storytelling reasons that have caused this (which is what happened with LOST) - I think it might be budgetary and logistics. Like keeping that many actors under contract, or focussing the finances on the dragon CGI etc. Edit - maybe we'll understand more once the whole thing is finished.
I reckon this as well. Got to take into account they still have enough characters that they can drop a few each week, ie no greyjoy talk this week
It's also the point where the show have overtaken the books and are no longer using that as a roadmap. They have been given the major plot points and could be just moving from one to the other. I think there is an argument that it feels a lot quicker than the previous seasons, that is not to say i haven't enjoyed it. Saying that, I feel the opposite about the books and that Martin needs a stronger editor, which the TV show has effectively done up until last year.
I agree where your coming from Jimmy, I think it was one of them things I thought about after. With them all meant to be great fighters how they were easily chucked in a cell.
It is a fair question, and although I am ok with them glossing over that stuff, I really do wonder what the drive was to limit the final two seasons to 13 episodes. We were all perfectly happy watching them travel around the country in the early seasons, and would have enjoyed seeing how those three got locked up!
I don't think it's storytelling reasons that have caused this (which is what happened with LOST) - I think it might be budgetary and logistics. Like keeping that many actors under contract, or focussing the finances on the dragon CGI etc. Edit - maybe we'll understand more once the whole thing is finished.
I thought it was already known to be budgetry, I thought they already knew how many episodes each actor was signed up for?
I remember reading an article back when the TV show began that the seasons were always going to be the length they are because of budgetary and contractual reasons and confusion around the story length.
Basically I was told originally there would be 12 episodes per season for 5 seasons - 60 episodes. When Weiss and Benioff got their extension request in to up this to 90 episodes across 8 seasons.
Certain key actors allegedly became mercenary in their contract negotiations and HBO refused to cover the void leaving only enough budget to fill 73 episodes (hence why the last 2 episodes this season are both over an hour), whilst keeping as much of what G.R.R Martin wanted, as they could.
Loads of content started being cut from the script as a result and they even removed some complete story lines such as Lady Stoneheart.
P.s She also stated that Season 8 won't be aired until Summer 2019 at the earliest!
Could all be BS but she said it was common knowledge in her circle. She didn't name any names and I won't share hers... Obviously.
Is Cersei pregnant? Is she lying? Didn't the old woman tell her that she would outlive her three children? So she not pregnant, she loses it or she dies before giving birth.
The old woman also told her she would be kill by her brother, think that will be Jamie now.
Most likely not pregnant but wouldn't surprise me if Cersei dies in childbirth and the 'little brother' who kills her is the unborn child.
I agree where your coming from Jimmy, I think it was one of them things I thought about after. With them all meant to be great fighters how they were easily chucked in a cell.
It is a fair question, and although I am ok with them glossing over that stuff, I really do wonder what the drive was to limit the final two seasons to 13 episodes. We were all perfectly happy watching them travel around the country in the early seasons, and would have enjoyed seeing how those three got locked up!
I don't think it's storytelling reasons that have caused this (which is what happened with LOST) - I think it might be budgetary and logistics. Like keeping that many actors under contract, or focussing the finances on the dragon CGI etc. Edit - maybe we'll understand more once the whole thing is finished.
I reckon this as well. Got to take into account they still have enough characters that they can drop a few each week, ie no greyjoy talk this week
It's also the point where the show have overtaken the books and are no longer using that as a roadmap. They have been given the major plot points and could be just moving from one to the other. I think there is an argument that it feels a lot quicker than the previous seasons, that is not to say i haven't enjoyed it. Saying that, I feel the opposite about the books and that Martin needs a stronger editor, which the TV show has effectively done up until last year.
For as much as I love the books and total respect for George, I do wish he'd get that next book out. I'm intrigued to see what way he's going given that there are quite a few differences between the books and the show now
Is Cersei pregnant? Is she lying? Didn't the old woman tell her that she would outlive her three children? So she not pregnant, she loses it or she dies before giving birth.
The old woman also told her she would be kill by her brother, think that will be Jamie now.
Most likely not pregnant but wouldn't surprise me if Cersei dies in childbirth and the 'little brother' who kills her is the unborn child.
Three men head north through the snow. They're not looking for conflict with the living, they just know where they need to go and every dead body is a potential enemy. Soon enough, they are surrounded by wildings, possibly some Crows, and maybe a load of archers. Beric tells The Hound to stand down, he says something about fucking Beric's eye until Dennis Pennis has to resurrect him again, and complies. They get locked up.
By dealing with it with one line of dialogue they saved a lot of plot time (and money), while achieving the same story!
Episode 6 has leaked! Spoilers are inevitable. Hopefully we're all sensible enough to not present spoilers as opinions or predictions in this thread, but I wouldn't be so sure on Reddit and other forums.
Apparently a Spanish HBO team were given access to the episode for an hour, someone downloaded it and now it's out in the open, in HD no less.
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It's a bit like Batman getting out of the hole in the ground in TDKR. We can assume he was able to get home, we don't need to see him in an airport waiting lounge eating peanuts.
I don't think it's storytelling reasons that have caused this (which is what happened with LOST) - I think it might be budgetary and logistics. Like keeping that many actors under contract, or focussing the finances on the dragon CGI etc. Edit - maybe we'll understand more once the whole thing is finished.
I have genuinely let so much go in terms of believability and just enjoyed the show but that one is just lazy writing.
You need 10 seconds more of Varys and Tyrion talking in the strategy room about some path it's hardly going to slow down the whole series to fill these plotholes where you just either accept that the writing is wrong or have to make up some back story yourself.
It was the same place Illyrio Mopatis met Varys in the first series and you didn't need to see him sneaking in.
Basically I was told originally there would be 12 episodes per season for 5 seasons - 60 episodes. When Weiss and Benioff got their extension request in to up this to 90 episodes across 8 seasons.
Certain key actors allegedly became mercenary in their contract negotiations and HBO refused to cover the void leaving only enough budget to fill 73 episodes (hence why the last 2 episodes this season are both over an hour), whilst keeping as much of what G.R.R Martin wanted, as they could.
Loads of content started being cut from the script as a result and they even removed some complete story lines such as Lady Stoneheart.
P.s She also stated that Season 8 won't be aired until Summer 2019 at the earliest!
Could all be BS but she said it was common knowledge in her circle. She didn't name any names and I won't share hers... Obviously.
By dealing with it with one line of dialogue they saved a lot of plot time (and money), while achieving the same story!
Apparently a Spanish HBO team were given access to the episode for an hour, someone downloaded it and now it's out in the open, in HD no less.