I appreciate my post a few days ago was likely to get a reaction and certainly did. However, i would just say that delays on trains are something that have always happened and always will. I'm not a fan of privatisation but jokes about british rail before were part of british culture. Things go wrong, we don't cope in bad weather, there are regular minor delays. Some people are regularly late at work, blaming the trains. Personally i think you have to expect delays, build it in. The amount of trains going in and out of london on a daily basis is incredible and a complex inter related business. The timetable is built on the logic that all goes perfectly. Anything other will cause delay. That is just a logical fact. Buses regulate their times due to the huge variables in traffic, trains don't so any issue will cause delay rather than earlier arrival. Expect to be delayed and getting somewhere on time is a bonus. A bit like the takeover!!
You're basically saying that it's shit but there's nothing that can be done about it. Pay your (ever increasing) money and shut up.
Do you work for Southeastern?
nope, i'm saying nothing is perfect and if you get the train every day to work, if you expect it to be, you will end up nausing yourself right off because its just how it is
I pay £500 a month to travel 60 miles. Don't expect the trains to be perfect just expect them to run a week or even 3 consecutive days without a 15 to 30 minute delay.
Such low expectations, passive acceptance of shite service and willing consent to have your pants pulled down and ridiculed is exactly why they get away with it. Same as the way the shit show Duchatelet and your mate Murray have done to the club the past few years.
There's people that are happy to be merry little obedient sheep never piping up and accepting being taken the piss out off. Good luck to them.
The rest of us have dignity and therefore enjoy a good moan up when being treated like utter tobys.
do what u like - if moaning on a message board helps you, go for it
bloke at work gets in late often - blames the trains - complete mug - get up earlier and get in on time - he'll be moaning on a message board in a few years time when he hasnt got a pay rise or is first out of the door when redundancies come round and it will all be south easterns fault. moaning never solved anything - doing something that changes things might - nothing has ever stopped train delays
All London train companies are warning that their networks will be closing early today. This includes (but is not limited to) SWR, Southern, Greater Anglia, South Eastern, Thameslink and Great Northern.
Many companies will not be providing transport after 2pm today, and this may end up being even earlier, depending on snowfall and icy conditions. I would suggest you check your train company as soon as you can and plan your journey home accordingly. http://www.nationalrail.co.uk/service_disruptions/185021.aspx
I appreciate my post a few days ago was likely to get a reaction and certainly did. However, i would just say that delays on trains are something that have always happened and always will. I'm not a fan of privatisation but jokes about british rail before were part of british culture. Things go wrong, we don't cope in bad weather, there are regular minor delays. Some people are regularly late at work, blaming the trains. Personally i think you have to expect delays, build it in. The amount of trains going in and out of london on a daily basis is incredible and a complex inter related business. The timetable is built on the logic that all goes perfectly. Anything other will cause delay. That is just a logical fact. Buses regulate their times due to the huge variables in traffic, trains don't so any issue will cause delay rather than earlier arrival. Expect to be delayed and getting somewhere on time is a bonus. A bit like the takeover!!
No offence meant but are you by any chance the Fat Controller ?
bloke at work gets in late often - blames the trains - complete mug - get up earlier and get in on time - he'll be moaning on a message board in a few years time when he hasnt got a pay rise or is first out of the door when redundancies come round and it will all be south easterns fault. moaning never solved anything - doing something that changes things might - nothing has ever stopped train delays
The train I get if ontime should get me into work 40 mins before I need to be there. If I have an early meeting I get one earlier which gets me in 70 mins before I need to. It's rare that I'm late for work or a meeting and my team are pretty flexible about it. The fact is that this doesn't stop me being allowed to have a moan about it when the services are delayed.
I appreciate my post a few days ago was likely to get a reaction and certainly did. However, i would just say that delays on trains are something that have always happened and always will. I'm not a fan of privatisation but jokes about british rail before were part of british culture. Things go wrong, we don't cope in bad weather, there are regular minor delays. Some people are regularly late at work, blaming the trains. Personally i think you have to expect delays, build it in. The amount of trains going in and out of london on a daily basis is incredible and a complex inter related business. The timetable is built on the logic that all goes perfectly. Anything other will cause delay. That is just a logical fact. Buses regulate their times due to the huge variables in traffic, trains don't so any issue will cause delay rather than earlier arrival. Expect to be delayed and getting somewhere on time is a bonus. A bit like the takeover!!
Most people on here pay somewhere South Eastern somewhere between £1500 and £6000 a year.
If you paid that sort of money to a builder and he did an an awful job, would you say "oh well, it's to be expected"?
If you spent £2000 on a new telly and it didn't work, is that one of those things you just "have to expect"?
If you spend £4000 on a holiday and end up in a cockroach-infested hellhole, is that something you "have to expect"?
If you got food poisoning every time you went to your favourite restaurant, would you keep going back because it's just something you "have to expect"?
Of course not. Why is it different because South Eastern effectively have a hostage (sometimes literally) customer base?
Accepting shitness as something you "have to expect" just gives them a licence to continue being shit and to get even shitter.
South Eastern are the railway equivalent of Charlton - the shareholders pocketing every penny they can whilst continually serving up absolute rubbish and treating their customers like mugs. We don't quietly tolerate it from Roland, why should we tolerate it from these tossers?
I appreciate my post a few days ago was likely to get a reaction and certainly did. However, i would just say that delays on trains are something that have always happened and always will. I'm not a fan of privatisation but jokes about british rail before were part of british culture. Things go wrong, we don't cope in bad weather, there are regular minor delays. Some people are regularly late at work, blaming the trains. Personally i think you have to expect delays, build it in. The amount of trains going in and out of london on a daily basis is incredible and a complex inter related business. The timetable is built on the logic that all goes perfectly. Anything other will cause delay. That is just a logical fact. Buses regulate their times due to the huge variables in traffic, trains don't so any issue will cause delay rather than earlier arrival. Expect to be delayed and getting somewhere on time is a bonus. A bit like the takeover!!
Most people on here pay somewhere South Eastern somewhere between £1500 and £6000 a year.
If you paid that sort of money to a builder and he did an an awful job, would you say "oh well, it's to be expected"?
If you spent £2000 on a new telly and it didn't work, is that one of those things you just "have to expect"?
If you spend £4000 on a holiday and end up in a cockroach-infested hellhole, is that something you "have to expect"?
If you got food poisoning every time you went to your favourite restaurant, would you keep going back because it's just something you "have to expect"?
Of course not. Why is it different because South Eastern effectively have a hostage (sometimes literally) customer base?
Accepting shitness as something you "have to expect" just gives them a licence to continue being shit and to get even shitter.
South Eastern are the railway equivalent of Charlton - the shareholders pocketing every penny they can whilst continually serving up absolute rubbish and treating their customers like mugs. We don't quietly tolerate it from Roland, why should we tolerate it from these tossers?
I agree with just about everything you say, but I believe "South Eastern" is effectively a fantasy the government has invented to take the blame for its own mistakes. The next franchise will be exactly the same as this one - just a name for people to get angry with.
I appreciate my post a few days ago was likely to get a reaction and certainly did. However, i would just say that delays on trains are something that have always happened and always will. I'm not a fan of privatisation but jokes about british rail before were part of british culture. Things go wrong, we don't cope in bad weather, there are regular minor delays. Some people are regularly late at work, blaming the trains. Personally i think you have to expect delays, build it in. The amount of trains going in and out of london on a daily basis is incredible and a complex inter related business. The timetable is built on the logic that all goes perfectly. Anything other will cause delay. That is just a logical fact. Buses regulate their times due to the huge variables in traffic, trains don't so any issue will cause delay rather than earlier arrival. Expect to be delayed and getting somewhere on time is a bonus. A bit like the takeover!!
Most people on here pay somewhere South Eastern somewhere between £1500 and £6000 a year.
If you paid that sort of money to a builder and he did an an awful job, would you say "oh well, it's to be expected"?
If you spent £2000 on a new telly and it didn't work, is that one of those things you just "have to expect"?
If you spend £4000 on a holiday and end up in a cockroach-infested hellhole, is that something you "have to expect"?
If you got food poisoning every time you went to your favourite restaurant, would you keep going back because it's just something you "have to expect"?
Of course not. Why is it different because South Eastern effectively have a hostage (sometimes literally) customer base?
Accepting shitness as something you "have to expect" just gives them a licence to continue being shit and to get even shitter.
South Eastern are the railway equivalent of Charlton - the shareholders pocketing every penny they can whilst continually serving up absolute rubbish and treating their customers like mugs. We don't quietly tolerate it from Roland, why should we tolerate it from these tossers?
I agree with just about everything you say, but I believe "South Eastern" is effectively a fantasy the government has invented to take the blame for its own mistakes. The next franchise will be exactly the same as this one - just a name for people to get angry with.
Yeah, I'm not expecting anything to change, and I agree that the government is ultimately to blame. They allow South Eastern, and their predecessors and successors, to consistently fail their customers without sanction.
No posts on here for 8 days. We can't have that, people might start to think that Shite Eastern are doing an acceptable job.
Absolutely lovely morning, nice temperature, bit of sunshine, no wind or rain. 9.12 from St Johns to Cannon Street departs 3 minutes late. Now sat outside London Bridge when I should have been at Cannon Street 4 minutes ago.
No excuses, no explanations, no apologies, surprise, surprise. I will record this one on my wallchart of delays and disruption as "delayed due to staff lethargy and general lack of interest".
Shit again this morning. Despite building a laughable 8 minutes into the timetable to cover the 6-700 metres between London Bridge and Cannon Street, they still managed to deliver me to Cannon Street a full 7 minutes late - a journey of 25 minutes in total to cover the 5-mile journey from St Johns. Pathetic. Cause - congestion outside London Bridge, so that £6billion they've squandered has really made sod all difference to anything.
With the arrival of British Summer Time at the weekend, I once again deluded myself into thinking "oh well, maybe they'll be just a bit shit for the next few months", but no, they've moved quickly to make it clear that incompetence is a disease which isn't weather-dependant.
DLR on strike tomorrow and Thursday. Ill have to suffer Southeastern. Prepare for Southeastern to go belly up when its holding all the extra customers from the Greenwich and Woolwich dlr lines.
DLR on strike tomorrow and Thursday. Ill have to suffer Southeastern. Prepare for Southeastern to go belly up when its holding all the extra customers from the Greenwich and Woolwich dlr lines.
DLR on strike tomorrow and Thursday. Ill have to suffer Southeastern. Prepare for Southeastern to go belly up when its holding all the extra customers from the Greenwich and Woolwich dlr lines.
How the shining heck can a driverless train network go on strike?
very pleased with the week with the bad snow claimed for every train that was fooked up and got £108.00 in compensation land direct in my paypal account today.
Oh dear that’s going to be a proper nightmare. Very very busy the DLR usually on lindon marathon weekend as you can get from Greenwich to Canary Wharf and watch people past twice at Canary Wharf before heading to Tower Hill.
I’d be furious if I was supporting someone and wanted to see them several places.
Any long suffering lifer colleagues with first hand experience of how horrible it is this morning? On a train bound for London Bridge and need to decide before I get there whether to attempt the Jubilee line to Canary Wharf for a meeting that is frankly not essential although I’d like to be there, or whether to bale and just go Charing Cross and go to the office.
DLR on strike tomorrow and Thursday. Ill have to suffer Southeastern. Prepare for Southeastern to go belly up when its holding all the extra customers from the Greenwich and Woolwich dlr lines.
How the shining heck can a driverless train network go on strike?
Because all their trains have someone working on them. No person, no movement of the train.
Any long suffering lifer colleagues with first hand experience of how horrible it is this morning? On a train bound for London Bridge and need to decide before I get there whether to attempt the Jubilee line to Canary Wharf for a meeting that is frankly not essential although I’d like to be there, or whether to bale and just go Charing Cross and go to the office.
Any long suffering lifer colleagues with first hand experience of how horrible it is this morning? On a train bound for London Bridge and need to decide before I get there whether to attempt the Jubilee line to Canary Wharf for a meeting that is frankly not essential although I’d like to be there, or whether to bale and just go Charing Cross and go to the office.
Too late for you I’m afraid - but I came into cw on that route this morning (instead of my usual Lewisham/DLR route) - and it was no real bother.
8.12 cancelled, 8.17, 5 mins late and rammed. Mind you, there's a bit of rain today which is obviously the last thing you'd expect to see in this country, so can't really blame them for being totally f%*king useless yet again.
Got hit with a 6 carriage train this morning, in rush hour, with the DLR on strike... so obviously couldn't get on it.
Looking forward to all the snotties going on holiday for Easter next week. Trains will still be delayed and lacking in carriages but at least I'll be able to be late for work in comfort.
DLR on strike tomorrow and Thursday. Ill have to suffer Southeastern. Prepare for Southeastern to go belly up when its holding all the extra customers from the Greenwich and Woolwich dlr lines.
How the shining heck can a driverless train network go on strike?
Because all their trains have someone working on them. No person, no movement of the train.
Really? All DLR trains manned? I sporadically use DLR and if I see on train staff one trip in 20 that's the maximum. Is this one of RMT's 'safety critical roles' and are 80% of the staff so employed in plain clothes?
DLR on strike tomorrow and Thursday. Ill have to suffer Southeastern. Prepare for Southeastern to go belly up when its holding all the extra customers from the Greenwich and Woolwich dlr lines.
How the shining heck can a driverless train network go on strike?
Because all their trains have someone working on them. No person, no movement of the train.
Really? All DLR trains manned? I sporadically use DLR and if I see on train staff one trip in 20 that's the maximum. Is this one of RMT's 'safety critical roles' and are 80% of the staff so employed in plain clothes?
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If you paid that sort of money to a builder and he did an an awful job, would you say "oh well, it's to be expected"?
If you spent £2000 on a new telly and it didn't work, is that one of those things you just "have to expect"?
If you spend £4000 on a holiday and end up in a cockroach-infested hellhole, is that something you "have to expect"?
If you got food poisoning every time you went to your favourite restaurant, would you keep going back because it's just something you "have to expect"?
Of course not. Why is it different because South Eastern effectively have a hostage (sometimes literally) customer base?
Accepting shitness as something you "have to expect" just gives them a licence to continue being shit and to get even shitter.
South Eastern are the railway equivalent of Charlton - the shareholders pocketing every penny they can whilst continually serving up absolute rubbish and treating their customers like mugs. We don't quietly tolerate it from Roland, why should we tolerate it from these tossers?
Absolutely lovely morning, nice temperature, bit of sunshine, no wind or rain. 9.12 from St Johns to Cannon Street departs 3 minutes late. Now sat outside London Bridge when I should have been at Cannon Street 4 minutes ago.
No excuses, no explanations, no apologies, surprise, surprise. I will record this one on my wallchart of delays and disruption as "delayed due to staff lethargy and general lack of interest".
Wankers.
Track defects apparently. That's becoming a bit of a favourite at the moment, presumably cos they can whip it out whatever the weather.
Gotta now get the bus meaning my boy will be late for nursery.
F**K South Eastern right in the f*****g A**e
With the arrival of British Summer Time at the weekend, I once again deluded myself into thinking "oh well, maybe they'll be just a bit shit for the next few months", but no, they've moved quickly to make it clear that incompetence is a disease which isn't weather-dependant.
Tossers.
http://www.cityam.com/282834/tfl-warns-no-dlr-services-run-during-48-hour-strike-next
I’d be furious if I was supporting someone and wanted to see them several places.
This was at 8am though.
Tossers.
Looking forward to all the snotties going on holiday for Easter next week. Trains will still be delayed and lacking in carriages but at least I'll be able to be late for work in comfort.