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  • edited December 2016
    Never get the train to work myself in fact only work up London once in blue moon.
    But has anyone on here or someone they know ever thought f@ck it one day and left thier job and worked nearer to home or moved out of London area.
  • clb74 said:

    Never get the train to work myself in fact only work up London once in blue moon.
    But has anyone on here or someone they know ever thought f@ck it one day and left thier job and worked nearer to home or moved out of London area.

    I would do so in a heartbeat if there were any jobs that I could get that would pay me anywhere near what I earn in London.
  • clb74 said:

    Never get the train to work myself in fact only work up London once in blue moon.
    But has anyone on here or someone they know ever thought f@ck it one day and left thier job and worked nearer to home or moved out of London area.

    Yeah I did it myself... Worked in Stratford for a year... Got fed up travelling from Strood to Woolwich (and then the DLR) everyday so when I looked for my next job I deliberately made the decision to look for somewhere within driving distance.

    Now work in Orpington and have to deal with the M25 at times but is no where near as bad as SouthEastern even on a bad day
  • clb74 said:

    Never get the train to work myself in fact only work up London once in blue moon.
    But has anyone on here or someone they know ever thought f@ck it one day and left thier job and worked nearer to home or moved out of London area.

    Not on a commute to inner London. I used to commute from Strood to Woolwich. Changed to a more local job. Spending 99% of my time in Medway was depressing and so we decided to relocate up north. I now walk to work which is 5 minutes away. Obviously earning less but much happier.
  • clb74 said:

    Never get the train to work myself in fact only work up London once in blue moon.
    But has anyone on here or someone they know ever thought f@ck it one day and left thier job and worked nearer to home or moved out of London area.

    Jobs are hard to come by as it is, let alone sacking one off just to get one closer to home, oh if were only that simple!
  • clb74 said:

    Never get the train to work myself in fact only work up London once in blue moon.
    But has anyone on here or someone they know ever thought f@ck it one day and left thier job and worked nearer to home or moved out of London area.

    Always used to, but have kind of resigned myself to it now. I very much doubt I could get a job doing what I do at a local company (plus I'm a whore for the money).
  • clb74 said:

    Never get the train to work myself in fact only work up London once in blue moon.
    But has anyone on here or someone they know ever thought f@ck it one day and left thier job and worked nearer to home or moved out of London area.

    I enjoy my job, and I enjoy the industry I work in. The most ambitious companies in my field are based in London and if I want to make a success of myself I need to stay her.

    I've just bought a place on Greenwich Peninsula so will be able to use the Jubilee line. To me the tube has always been more reliable, and even if it is just as overcrowded at least I'm only on it for nine minutes as opposed to 40.
  • clb74 said:

    Never get the train to work myself in fact only work up London once in blue moon.
    But has anyone on here or someone they know ever thought f@ck it one day and left thier job and worked nearer to home or moved out of London area.

    I've refused to renew two contracts, and I've left a job. I can honestly say that if I'm not feeling 100%, the daily commute can precipitate a proper rough patch. Not only that, I'm convinced that at one point my drinking was getting quite unhealthy - by large - due to putting off the rush hour train and sitting in pubs with different colleagues nearly every night!

    Job 1: I'd been working somewhere for a year before they moved offices to Old Street, from Kings Cross. Within a week of getting the Northern Line, and queuing outside the station just to get in, I decided I couldn't hack it. Left and found a job in Maidstone, going the opposite way and avoiding rush hour completely.

    Contract 1: I refused to renew because they were based off of Oxford Street, and it was approaching the summer half term to make things worse. Simply put, I knew I'd be a miserable git if I commuted up there during the summer and had to deal with the crowds. They would't budge on 9am starts either, and to be entirely honest - that's not normal for my industry and I often had no work to do, so I'd be commuting to tourist central in rush hour just to sit there bored! (Oh, and they weren't paying my full day rate either.)

    Contract 2: On top of Marylebone station itself, during an Autumn. Decided not to renew within about 2 weeks of being there as I was constantly getting aggro outside the train station, SouthEastern were running consistently late and I realised that every day began stressed out.


    Ultimately I realised that commuting in to London wasn't great for my health, and I resigned from an absolutely cracking job at the type of company who stand out in my industry. I took a few weeks out, registered my own company and became a contractor whilst beginning to network and work on my own business plan. I can now roughly take as much time off as I work, live a decent comfortable lifestyle in an area I like and avoid the rat-race. The plan for 2017 is to slowly migrate from contracting as such, and start to work on the business side of things - meaning I can pick a working space nearby, work from home when required and generally focus on the important things. Honestly though, I think I'd still be a permanent member of staff somewhere if the trains weren't run so shittily.

    I must admit it isn't so bad in the winter, and I'm doing OK at the moment on a short-term contract. I think this time around I've grown to accept that the trains are shit, they're always going to be about 15-20 minutes late in the winter, and that if you gets your work done and keep your colleagues/clients happy, then anyone with half a brain cell wont care if you're a bit tardy. Depressing and unprofessional, but it gets me through to be honest.
  • Don't think I can continue commuting much longer. Started in 1980, thats long enough. May look for a more local job when my ticket expires in April. Less money but a better life.
  • Don't think I can continue commuting much longer. Started in 1980, thats long enough. May look for a more local job when my ticket expires in April. Less money but a better life.

    Dunno... I dropped my wage going from Stratford to Orpington but when you subtracted my train Season-Ticket from my wages compared with my petrol costs I'm now actually on more money than what I was on
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  • Can't you drop 5000 and not really lose much as no tax Nat insurance to pay as well as train fares
  • clb74 said:

    Can't you drop 5000 and not really lose much as no tax Nat insurance to pay as well as train fares

    I was able to drop about £3,000
  • edited December 2016
    clb74 said:

    Never get the train to work myself in fact only work up London once in blue moon.
    But has anyone on here or someone they know ever thought f@ck it one day and left thier job and worked nearer to home or moved out of London area.

    Yesterday on the news, they were talking to a number of people that had quit their London jobs and were working locally, due to the Southern train poor service.

    Personally, I only ever worked in the city for about 5 years and hated the commuting.

    I preferred to work in SE London/inner Kent/inner Surrey and drive to work.

    The years I earnt the most money were my unhappiest years, obviously because of all the extra stress involved.

    I've been happiest when earning the least money.
  • Southern rail should they be able to hold hundreds of thousands of people to ransom for 3 days this week
  • I detest working in London because of the trains. And if you think the ones at rush hour are bad try getting one of the routes they really don't give a rats arse about being late in the middle of the day.

    I would need to be offered a six figure salary after tax to consider doing it on a daily basis, driving isn't much better. There were a few golden years after the A2 was widened where I flew into work but it's a quagmire of a road now and I've just changed jobs and locations to primarily avoid that stinking stretch of tarmacadam. The only way to get anywhere on time is to leave at 5am which is fine on the odd day but allowing 2 and a half hours for what could and should be a 40 minute journey maximum does you in after a while.

    The same applies to the trains, @cantersaddick will quantify this, the 6.07 I think it's a canon street train from chatham is packed and it's only come from Gillingham. By being so shit southeastern have just extended rush hour.
  • Carter said:

    I detest working in London because of the trains. And if you think the ones at rush hour are bad try getting one of the routes they really don't give a rats arse about being late in the middle of the day.

    I would need to be offered a six figure salary after tax to consider doing it on a daily basis, driving isn't much better. There were a few golden years after the A2 was widened where I flew into work but it's a quagmire of a road now and I've just changed jobs and locations to primarily avoid that stinking stretch of tarmacadam. The only way to get anywhere on time is to leave at 5am which is fine on the odd day but allowing 2 and a half hours for what could and should be a 40 minute journey maximum does you in after a while.

    The same applies to the trains, @cantersaddick will quantify this, the 6.07 I think it's a canon street train from chatham is packed and it's only come from Gillingham. By being so shit southeastern have just extended rush hour.

    Yep trains from that part of kent are shambolic. No matter what mainline station you want your train will be packed. The high speed is beyond capacity already. It's literally at braking point. I don't see how the system can carry on. 10 more people on any one of about 50 trains in the morning and it just wouldn't cope.

    There must be some kind of health and safety aspect of it though. Having nearly passed out after standing for 3 hours on an overcrowded, sauna of a train (and I'm young and healthy) it's only a matter of time before someone gets seriously ill or worse.

    Anyway I'm just trying to enjoy my year at uni and not think about July when I am back to the commute.
  • clb74 said:

    Can't you drop 5000 and not really lose much as no tax Nat insurance to pay as well as train fares

    Basically, no. If you work in certain services, you need to work in town. Nobody commutes for the love of it. Needs must unfortunately
  • Carter said:

    I detest working in London because of the trains. And if you think the ones at rush hour are bad try getting one of the routes they really don't give a rats arse about being late in the middle of the day.

    I would need to be offered a six figure salary after tax to consider doing it on a daily basis, driving isn't much better. There were a few golden years after the A2 was widened where I flew into work but it's a quagmire of a road now and I've just changed jobs and locations to primarily avoid that stinking stretch of tarmacadam. The only way to get anywhere on time is to leave at 5am which is fine on the odd day but allowing 2 and a half hours for what could and should be a 40 minute journey maximum does you in after a while.

    The same applies to the trains, @cantersaddick will quantify this, the 6.07 I think it's a canon street train from chatham is packed and it's only come from Gillingham. By being so shit southeastern have just extended rush hour.

    Yep trains from that part of kent are shambolic. No matter what mainline station you want your train will be packed. The high speed is beyond capacity already. It's literally at braking point. I don't see how the system can carry on. 10 more people on any one of about 50 trains in the morning and it just wouldn't cope.

    There must be some kind of health and safety aspect of it though. Having nearly passed out after standing for 3 hours on an overcrowded, sauna of a train (and I'm young and healthy) it's only a matter of time before someone gets seriously ill or worse.

    Anyway I'm just trying to enjoy my year at uni and not think about July when I am back to the commute.
    Moving early next year and will be using the High Speed service from Ebbsfleet into Stratford early in the morning (around 6:30am). Looking forward to a hopefully more reliable service than the usual Southeastern fail commute from Kent into London but your comment above appears to suggest that the service from Ebbsfleet is a bit of a nightmare also.

    Anyone else use this service regularly and if so is it a bit of a nightmare? Hoping it is not a case of out of the frying pan and into the fire????
  • thank fuck we dont have to use southern, i think its disgusting and extremely selfish by there staff to strike a week before christmas my mrs is heading home for the weekend and will now have to fork out for a taxi, because no trains to gatwick, the sooner driverless trains come in the better, although from a selfish point of view victoria has been a pleasure to commute through this week as southern side is shut.
  • thank fuck we dont have to use southern, i think its disgusting and extremely selfish by there staff to strike a week before christmas my mrs is heading home for the weekend and will now have to fork out for a taxi, because no trains to gatwick, the sooner driverless trains come in the better, although from a selfish point of view victoria has been a pleasure to commute through this week as southern side is shut.

    I flew in to Gatwick last night and Gatwick Express and trains to East Croydon were on
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  • clb74 said:

    Can't you drop 5000 and not really lose much as no tax Nat insurance to pay as well as train fares

    to cover my train fares I need to earn 7k before tax so obviously I can afford to drop that much without it impacting me at all. However, working in the City, local wages don't even come close so I will be worse off for sure but then instead of a commute of nearly two hours door to door each way I'll have about a 30 minute daily commute in total so gaining a far better work life balance plus other bonuses like being able to walk the dog each morning and not having to get up at silly o'clock.

  • Your train fares are astronomical LA.

    But like most on here who do this daily trudge, if I searched for a similar job outside the capital, my pay would nose dive drastically to such an extent that I'd jut get by. So we do it because we have to and not because we want too. We have NO choice.

  • Carter said:

    I detest working in London because of the trains. And if you think the ones at rush hour are bad try getting one of the routes they really don't give a rats arse about being late in the middle of the day.

    I would need to be offered a six figure salary after tax to consider doing it on a daily basis, driving isn't much better. There were a few golden years after the A2 was widened where I flew into work but it's a quagmire of a road now and I've just changed jobs and locations to primarily avoid that stinking stretch of tarmacadam. The only way to get anywhere on time is to leave at 5am which is fine on the odd day but allowing 2 and a half hours for what could and should be a 40 minute journey maximum does you in after a while.

    The same applies to the trains, @cantersaddick will quantify this, the 6.07 I think it's a canon street train from chatham is packed and it's only come from Gillingham. By being so shit southeastern have just extended rush hour.

    Yep trains from that part of kent are shambolic. No matter what mainline station you want your train will be packed. The high speed is beyond capacity already. It's literally at braking point. I don't see how the system can carry on. 10 more people on any one of about 50 trains in the morning and it just wouldn't cope.

    There must be some kind of health and safety aspect of it though. Having nearly passed out after standing for 3 hours on an overcrowded, sauna of a train (and I'm young and healthy) it's only a matter of time before someone gets seriously ill or worse.

    Anyway I'm just trying to enjoy my year at uni and not think about July when I am back to the commute.
    Moving early next year and will be using the High Speed service from Ebbsfleet into Stratford early in the morning (around 6:30am). Looking forward to a hopefully more reliable service than the usual Southeastern fail commute from Kent into London but your comment above appears to suggest that the service from Ebbsfleet is a bit of a nightmare also.

    Anyone else use this service regularly and if so is it a bit of a nightmare? Hoping it is not a case of out of the frying pan and into the fire????
    Sorry the 'it's at breaking point' was referring to the whole system..

    The high speed is at capacity bit nowhere near as bad as the rest of southeastern. You have a chance of getting a seat (although ebbsfleet is further down the line so not sure) and they give the high speed priority on the lines so will delay other trains to make sure the high speed gets in on time.

    It's the best option now but I'd guess not 5 years time it'll be as bad as the rest. Especially with all the new housing around ebbsfleet (actually where I'm looking to buy in about a years time).
  • Carter said:

    I detest working in London because of the trains. And if you think the ones at rush hour are bad try getting one of the routes they really don't give a rats arse about being late in the middle of the day.

    I would need to be offered a six figure salary after tax to consider doing it on a daily basis, driving isn't much better. There were a few golden years after the A2 was widened where I flew into work but it's a quagmire of a road now and I've just changed jobs and locations to primarily avoid that stinking stretch of tarmacadam. The only way to get anywhere on time is to leave at 5am which is fine on the odd day but allowing 2 and a half hours for what could and should be a 40 minute journey maximum does you in after a while.

    The same applies to the trains, @cantersaddick will quantify this, the 6.07 I think it's a canon street train from chatham is packed and it's only come from Gillingham. By being so shit southeastern have just extended rush hour.

    Show off.
  • Carter said:

    I detest working in London because of the trains. And if you think the ones at rush hour are bad try getting one of the routes they really don't give a rats arse about being late in the middle of the day.

    I would need to be offered a six figure salary after tax to consider doing it on a daily basis, driving isn't much better. There were a few golden years after the A2 was widened where I flew into work but it's a quagmire of a road now and I've just changed jobs and locations to primarily avoid that stinking stretch of tarmacadam. The only way to get anywhere on time is to leave at 5am which is fine on the odd day but allowing 2 and a half hours for what could and should be a 40 minute journey maximum does you in after a while.

    The same applies to the trains, @cantersaddick will quantify this, the 6.07 I think it's a canon street train from chatham is packed and it's only come from Gillingham. By being so shit southeastern have just extended rush hour.

    Yep trains from that part of kent are shambolic. No matter what mainline station you want your train will be packed. The high speed is beyond capacity already. It's literally at braking point. I don't see how the system can carry on. 10 more people on any one of about 50 trains in the morning and it just wouldn't cope.

    There must be some kind of health and safety aspect of it though. Having nearly passed out after standing for 3 hours on an overcrowded, sauna of a train (and I'm young and healthy) it's only a matter of time before someone gets seriously ill or worse.

    Anyway I'm just trying to enjoy my year at uni and not think about July when I am back to the commute.
    Moving early next year and will be using the High Speed service from Ebbsfleet into Stratford early in the morning (around 6:30am). Looking forward to a hopefully more reliable service than the usual Southeastern fail commute from Kent into London but your comment above appears to suggest that the service from Ebbsfleet is a bit of a nightmare also.

    Anyone else use this service regularly and if so is it a bit of a nightmare? Hoping it is not a case of out of the frying pan and into the fire????
    Sorry the 'it's at breaking point' was referring to the whole system..

    The high speed is at capacity bit nowhere near as bad as the rest of southeastern. You have a chance of getting a seat (although ebbsfleet is further down the line so not sure) and they give the high speed priority on the lines so will delay other trains to make sure the high speed gets in on time.

    It's the best option now but I'd guess not 5 years time it'll be as bad as the rest. Especially with all the new housing around ebbsfleet (actually where I'm looking to buy in about a years time).
    Cheers.
  • Carter said:

    I detest working in London because of the trains. And if you think the ones at rush hour are bad try getting one of the routes they really don't give a rats arse about being late in the middle of the day.

    I would need to be offered a six figure salary after tax to consider doing it on a daily basis, driving isn't much better. There were a few golden years after the A2 was widened where I flew into work but it's a quagmire of a road now and I've just changed jobs and locations to primarily avoid that stinking stretch of tarmacadam. The only way to get anywhere on time is to leave at 5am which is fine on the odd day but allowing 2 and a half hours for what could and should be a 40 minute journey maximum does you in after a while.

    The same applies to the trains, @cantersaddick will quantify this, the 6.07 I think it's a canon street train from chatham is packed and it's only come from Gillingham. By being so shit southeastern have just extended rush hour.

    Yep trains from that part of kent are shambolic. No matter what mainline station you want your train will be packed. The high speed is beyond capacity already. It's literally at braking point. I don't see how the system can carry on. 10 more people on any one of about 50 trains in the morning and it just wouldn't cope.

    There must be some kind of health and safety aspect of it though. Having nearly passed out after standing for 3 hours on an overcrowded, sauna of a train (and I'm young and healthy) it's only a matter of time before someone gets seriously ill or worse.

    Anyway I'm just trying to enjoy my year at uni and not think about July when I am back to the commute.
    Moving early next year and will be using the High Speed service from Ebbsfleet into Stratford early in the morning (around 6:30am). Looking forward to a hopefully more reliable service than the usual Southeastern fail commute from Kent into London but your comment above appears to suggest that the service from Ebbsfleet is a bit of a nightmare also.

    Anyone else use this service regularly and if so is it a bit of a nightmare? Hoping it is not a case of out of the frying pan and into the fire????
    If you get the 6.30 one you should get a seat at Ebbsfleet, any later and you'll be lucky

    It was fantastic when it first arrived and whilst not justifying the cost it was infinitely preferable to the normal trains. Put it like this, if someone else is paying or I need to be somewhere in London on time that is the train I'll get
  • edited December 2016
    And to while away the hours on the platform there are 28 HS trains named after GB Olympians on this line. A little more interesting than getting the numbers :-)

    P.S. But no Brad Wiggins.
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  • Tubes busy ain't it.
  • You can't make this up. Just logged in to purchase my yearly and it won't let me pay, just called them up and they said that their site is down. Fcking wankers!
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