I bet you are only telling a small part of the story. I bet you argued with the copper and were generally a lot more of twat than appears even from your own account.
Why do you say that?
We all akemistakes, we all do stupid things we regret and look back on with embrassment or shame.
The fella has admitted to being a bit naive/daft whatever. He's not trying to justify what he did just question the punishment. If you're nor sure of the crime then fair enough and the crime in this instance is being a bit of a tit.
What always has aggravated me is the inconsistency. He had this outcome but I promise you when Leeds or millwall go there and do a thousand times worse the police won't be wasting time lifting people for what this guy did. We all do stupid shit after all
And stop patronising him. Except mehmet. His euphemisms are top drawer
The fella has admitted to being a bit naive/daft whatever. He's not trying to justify what he did just question the punishment. If you're nor sure of the crime then fair enough and the crime in this instance is being a bit of a tit.
What always has aggravated me is the inconsistency. He had this outcome but I promise you when Leeds or millwall go there and do a thousand times worse the police won't be wasting time lifting people for what this guy did. We all do stupid shit after all
And stop patronising him. Except mehmet. His euphemisms are top drawer
If your told by police to leave an area and you don't then who else can you blame?
Speak for yourself but I don't do "stupid shit" like that.
How do you know what happens when Millwall & Leeds go down to the game?
I'll think you'll find judging by the amount of arrests from those two games that there very busy.
Everyone is entitled to there opinion. As long as it's constructive and not rude then it's fair game.
Section 27 is the worst thing ever for footsie fans
Exactly, one minute had my shoes off and legs stretched out under my desk when all of a sudden HR slapped a section 27 on my desk following complaint from the woman opposite me!
Section 27 is the worst thing ever for footsie fans
Exactly, one minute had my shoes off and legs stretched out under my desk when all of a sudden HR slapped a section 27 on my desk following complaint from the woman opposite me!
It was the smell though mate, it was horrific!! ;o)
Think u got off lightly No fine or caution or criminal record Would you walk down ur local high street chanting this on a Saturday afternoon chanting this? Think the couple of shandys may have clouded ur judgement
If you were bashed by a gay who took offence about your homophobic chanting, no doubt you would have expected the police to make an arrest for assault.
"The vast majority of homophobic criminal assault is perpetrated by male aggressors on male victims, and is connected to aggressive heterosexual machismo or male chauvinism. Theorists including Calvin Thomas and Judith Butler have suggested that homophobia can be rooted in an individual's fear of being identified as gay. Homophobia in men is correlated with insecurity about masculinity. For this reason, allegedly homophobia is rampant in sports, and in the subculture of its supporters, that are considered stereotypically "male", such as football and rugby.
These theorists have argued that a person who expresses homophobia does so not only to communicate their beliefs about the class of gay people, but also to distance themselves from this class and its social status. Thus, by distancing themselves from gay people, they are reaffirming their role as a heterosexual in a heteronormative culture, thereby attempting to prevent themselves from being labeled and treated as a gay person.
Various psychoanalytic theories explain homophobia as a threat to an individual's own same-sex impulses, whether those impulses are imminent or merely hypothetical. This threat causes repression, denial or reaction formation."
There is a school of thought that people who participate in hate crimes such as those depicted in the following picture (TRIGGER WARNING: Assault, possibly NSFW) gain legitimacy from a social platform that feels "taking the piss" out of minorities is OK and part of the spectrum.
There is a school of thought that people who participate in hate crimes such as those depicted in the following picture (TRIGGER WARNING: Assault, possibly NSFW) gain legitimacy from a social platform that feels "taking the piss" out of minorities is OK and part of the spectrum. />
There is a major, major difference between singing stuff like 'stand up if you can't sit down' and someone walking around Soho starting fights because they're insecure about their own masculinity. If 500 people sing something about a Brighton stereotype then the majority will simply be idiots and/or sheep.
Freedom of speech is another one. The person who called out during the minutes silence yesterday could maybe be lauded for upholding their freedom of speech couldn't they? And of course there is the old question as to whether a person can yell 'Fire! Fire!' in a dark and crowded theatre, I mean that would be freedom of speech too wouldn't it? Croydon I don't really believe anybody is judging anybody here, it is an interesting and enlightening thread discussion isn't it?
A bit of advice from an old fellow who for a while many years ago served as a Brighton Police Officer. First of all don't sing offensive songs in a public place, by doing so you called attention to yourselves and allowed officers to totally over-react to the situation, and basically bully you. The Brighton game was partly spoilt for a lot of us by idiots arguing with each other all around us, so it sounds as if perhaps you might have made that worse. I don't think that I am a party pooper, if you read my lousy jokes on here you will know that. We all make mistakes for which we might be unreasonably punished, the secret is to learn from them and do not repeat them. Enjoy life, but not by spoiling others lives.If you were at last seasons Millwall game at the Valley you might have seen how foolishly the Police can behave at times, don't invite it.
I know its my own fault for getting nicked as i was told not go to ground, what im trying to get at is, was i hard done by getting my ticket taken of me in first place? The copper should of just gave me a warning and let me know i was wrong singing it? I found it harsh, a warning would of been good enough, ruthless just taking my ticket of me straight away with out warning.
I think you were maybe a little hard done by. But it's a London club playing at the seaside on a Saturday afternoon, the coppers might have been told to take no chances and be ruthless with punishments. Just chalk it up as a lesson learnt
No you were not hard done by. Taking your ticket was a secondary pre-emptive attempt by the plod to remove the incentive for you to breach S27. It's a shame that tactic failed. In fact, ignoring the directions of a constable could have quite easily led to you being charged and fined. Here's the relevant extract from the legislation. "A person who fails to comply with a direction under this section is guilty of an offence and shall be liable, on summary conviction, to a fine not exceeding level 4 on the standard scale." In case you're wondering, that's up to £2,500 max. In addition, it is entirely normal for the offence for which you were arrested to be added to back at the nick with a nice little drunk and disorderly, threatening behaviour, etc, etc on the side. (If that had happened you may have been hard done by.) In the circumstances you got away lightly. Look at it this way. You are driving along a road with a 30mph limit at a speed of 50mph. You see a speed camera up ahead but don't brake before you get to it. Guess what? You get a fine & points. That's no different from your actions: you were behaving unlawfully and made the decision (no doubt with some alcoholic inducement) to ignore the full-on presence of the plod and carry on with your behaviour. That's just plain silly and I'm afraid to say you should have expected nothing less. See it as a lesson learned.
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At least you admit you done wrong I and others have been hit by this poxy rule for duck all
You had your ticket taken and told to leave. You ignored this lawful order and chose to go to the game.
Subsequently being arrested for failing to comply with that lawful order.
What do you honestly expect to happen?
Be humble enough to accept you were being a tw*t and your behaviour was wrong.
We make mistakes and learn from them. See it this way and reflect it in your behaviour in the future.
The fella has admitted to being a bit naive/daft whatever. He's not trying to justify what he did just question the punishment. If you're nor sure of the crime then fair enough and the crime in this instance is being a bit of a tit.
What always has aggravated me is the inconsistency. He had this outcome but I promise you when Leeds or millwall go there and do a thousand times worse the police won't be wasting time lifting people for what this guy did. We all do stupid shit after all
And stop patronising him. Except mehmet. His euphemisms are top drawer
Speak for yourself but I don't do "stupid shit" like that.
How do you know what happens when Millwall & Leeds go down to the game?
I'll think you'll find judging by the amount of arrests from those two games that there very busy.
Everyone is entitled to there opinion. As long as it's constructive and not rude then it's fair game.
No fine or caution or criminal record
Would you walk down ur local high street chanting this on a Saturday afternoon chanting this?
Think the couple of shandys may have clouded ur judgement
Why did this take 5 pages to get to?
You were hard done by havin your ticket taken off you but an idiot for going back
"The vast majority of homophobic criminal assault is perpetrated by male aggressors on male victims, and is connected to aggressive heterosexual machismo or male chauvinism. Theorists including Calvin Thomas and Judith Butler have suggested that homophobia can be rooted in an individual's fear of being identified as gay. Homophobia in men is correlated with insecurity about masculinity. For this reason, allegedly homophobia is rampant in sports, and in the subculture of its supporters, that are considered stereotypically "male", such as football and rugby.
These theorists have argued that a person who expresses homophobia does so not only to communicate their beliefs about the class of gay people, but also to distance themselves from this class and its social status. Thus, by distancing themselves from gay people, they are reaffirming their role as a heterosexual in a heteronormative culture, thereby attempting to prevent themselves from being labeled and treated as a gay person.
Various psychoanalytic theories explain homophobia as a threat to an individual's own same-sex impulses, whether those impulses are imminent or merely hypothetical. This threat causes repression, denial or reaction formation."
- Taken from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Violence_against_LGBT_people
There is a school of thought that people who participate in hate crimes such as those depicted in the following picture (TRIGGER WARNING: Assault, possibly NSFW) gain legitimacy from a social platform that feels "taking the piss" out of minorities is OK and part of the spectrum.
Free speech slowly being taken away, don't be surprised if you get lifted in a couple of years for calling someone ginger or fat.
Croydon I don't really believe anybody is judging anybody here, it is an interesting and enlightening thread discussion isn't it?
Taking your ticket was a secondary pre-emptive attempt by the plod to remove the incentive for you to breach S27. It's a shame that tactic failed.
In fact, ignoring the directions of a constable could have quite easily led to you being charged and fined. Here's the relevant extract from the legislation. "A person who fails to comply with a direction under this section is guilty of an offence and shall be liable, on summary conviction, to a fine not exceeding level 4 on the standard scale." In case you're wondering, that's up to £2,500 max.
In addition, it is entirely normal for the offence for which you were arrested to be added to back at the nick with a nice little drunk and disorderly, threatening behaviour, etc, etc on the side. (If that had happened you may have been hard done by.)
In the circumstances you got away lightly.
Look at it this way. You are driving along a road with a 30mph limit at a speed of 50mph. You see a speed camera up ahead but don't brake before you get to it. Guess what? You get a fine & points. That's no different from your actions: you were behaving unlawfully and made the decision (no doubt with some alcoholic inducement) to ignore the full-on presence of the plod and carry on with your behaviour. That's just plain silly and I'm afraid to say you should have expected nothing less.
See it as a lesson learned.