The atmosphere I experienced tonight, nothing like that. If my dad had took me to the valley as a kid, I’d have got bored and stopped going. If my dad had took me to selhurst I’d have been embarrassed and stopped going.
Thank god for Millwall
Yeh let’s cut lads in the face. Thank god for Millwall
Takes two to tango, and Everton are famous for it. County Road cutters? Think you will find that there was a large mob of Everton yesterday more than keen. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/County_Road_Cutters
Regardless of Everton's history, watching the clip of the slashing incident is one of the snidest, most cowardly things I've seen...climbing over a wall, sneaking up and slashing a bloke involved in a fist fight then slinking back off again...sheer and utter cowardice.
Truly horrible little club (albeit with the odd handful of decent fans) that attract a huge percentage of yellow teethed, feral, thicko, inadequates who gain some sort of misguided validation of tagging themselves onto the pathetic and timewarped image they've fostered to give a contrived identity to an otherwise wholly irrelevant establishment.
The further fallacy espoused by fans of other clubs who talk about them as some sort of proper old school working class club with proper fans etc is equally bollocks as football didn't start in the 70s when hooliganism came to prominence and being working class and proper doesn't mean carrying on the way they do with the deluded sense of self aggrandisation and pride as if having the biggest collective of thuggish scum and mouth breathing inadequates going to football is some sort of achievement outside of its culturally relevant heyday of the 70s and 80s.
It is a myth they keep needing to peddle to justify having such a scum element amongst their ranks and give it some sort of false romantic or noble justification when the reality is it's just a bunch of lemons acting like a bunch of lemons.
They have some very hard, violent and psychopathic followers undoubtedly...good for them....(who really cares and what does it count for in 2019?), but the worst are the kind that @Carter refers to....the types who tag on to the image and the nutters and revel in the exploits of others as if it elevates them to some sort of tough guy image by association. Social media is awash with them in their silly caps and stone island coats in the aftermath of days like today and it is all very amusing.
They remind me of the Mickey Pierce character in Scum and for every "handy"nutter they have out looking to injure someone over a game of football as a release for their psychological/emotional issues, they'll have 50 of the skinny Jeremy Kyle types who if it came down to it on their own would struggle to fight their way out of a wet paper bag before their malnourished frames gave out due to a diet of 10 lambert and butler and supermarket energy drinks.
All very tragic and comically amusing and as much as they may laugh at the likes of silly little trainspotting Charlton the complete lack of self awareness they possess of how they are actually perceived by 99% of adults and people with a bit of nous and common sense is hilarious.
The whole an Everton “fan” got slashed it was Everton lads and millwall lads fighting, most know the risks involved, different to the Liverpool fan that was attached by Roma ultras IMO
Cos it's totally normal for people to whip out a knife at football.
You seemed to have a totally different opinion when it was young black lads doing the stabbing. Odd.
No I think it’s disgusting behaviour and obviously unwritten rules with rucking with firms is no weapons etc but if you are going to attack rival hooligans and have a roll around - you are going to end up with an injury.
The atmosphere I experienced tonight, nothing like that. If my dad had took me to the valley as a kid, I’d have got bored and stopped going. If my dad had took me to selhurst I’d have been embarrassed and stopped going.
Thank god for Millwall
Well we are so glad u didn't,fucking glory boy...that's what it seems,don't hear jack shit when ya have an off day...u deserve each other....
Disgusting, cowardly act, but these instances (the knife) do occur ocassionally, though much less than in bygone years thankfully.
And as most know, the scousers and others had a big reputation for it previously. In fact some of the animosity of this fixture probably leads back to an infamous fixture at Goodson in the 80s where 12 Millwall supporters were stabbed - that sounds shocking in this day and age but was not quite so remarkable back then.
Like others have said though, Everton were there with a purpose and should take an equal amount of any blame from the press and joe bloggs as far as the actual general crowd trouble goes, but I suspect that won’t be the case.
Hopefully the scumbag slasher is punished heavily and does some serious time. I imagine all involved will be punished severely to be honest. Was a police dream standing there filming it all.
The stabbing aside it was actually refreshing (not to be interpreted as good) to see two groups do what they intended to do, as oppose to the pathetic posturing behind the police that happens at most football games these days.
Disgusting, cowardly act, but these instances (the knife) do occur ocassionally, though much less than in bygone years thankfully.
And as most know, the scousers and others had a big reputation for it previously. In fact some of the animosity of this fixture probably leads back to an infamous fixture at Goodson in the 80s where 12 Millwall supporters were stabbed - that sounds shocking in this day and age but was not quite so remarkable back then.
Like others have said though, Everton were there with a purpose and should take an equal amount of any blame from the press and joe bloggs as far as the actual general crowd trouble goes, but I suspect that won’t be the case.
Hopefully the scumbag slasher is punished heavily and does some serious time. I imagine all involved will be punished severely to be honest. Was a police dream standing there filming it all.
The stabbing aside it was actually refreshing (not to be interpreted as good) to see two groups do what they intended to do, as oppose to the pathetic posturing behind the police that happens at most football games these days.
Hilarious. Waste of police time, terrifies locals and passers by including children and damages to shops etc but yeah refreshing in the same way the rude boy gang violence that goes beyond posturing and tossers fighting on Saturday nights in town centres after too much booze and Charlie is refreshing I suppose.
I was saying it’s refreshing compared to the usual antics of pretending you want to do all of the above, which have all the same concequences you mentioned anyway.
As a passer by I’d rather walk past two groups having a punch up, than walk past the usual scene of a 100 numpties behind police lines pretending they want to fight, but instead just posturing, rushing at the police and throwing things - far more dangerous to innocents.
I was saying it’s refreshing compared to the usual antics of pretending you want to do all of the above, which have all the same concequences you mentioned anyway.
As a passer by I’d rather walk past two groups having a punch up, than walk past the usual scene of a 100 numpties behind police lines pretending they want to fight, but instead just posturing, rushing at the police and throwing things - far more dangerous to innocents.
So just so i am clear, you would rather your (not literal "your") 80 year old grandparents were sat inside their flat seeing it unfold outside their windows or your missus and young children would walk past 2 groups of grown adults fighting in public in the street in the middle of the day than standing there (equally dimwittedly) shouting and throwing things?
Yes, you could easily avoid being in that walled area if you didn’t want to be. Walk the other way, hold back, cross the road etc. Everyone in the clip was there for a reason and anyone sensible would be giving it a wide berth. I know there is always an unfortunate exception.
But when idiots are lobbing pint glasses, bottles and coins etc indiscrimanently through the air, then yes I know what situation I’d rather be around.
Whats even more moronic is when you have absolute tosspots following England who throw bottles etc in the air for “fun”.
Yes, you could easily avoid being in that walled area if you didn’t want to be. Walk the other way, hold back, cross the road etc. Everyone in the clip was there for a reason and anyone sensible would be giving it a wide berth. I know there is always an unfortunate exception.
But when idiots are lobbing pint glasses, bottles and coins etc indiscrimanently through the air, then yes I know what situation I’d rather be around.
Whats even more moronic is when you have absolute tosspots following England who throw bottles etc in the air for “fun”.
They're underneath a block of residential flats aren't they on a public street....why the fuck should the public divert their days in anyway whatsoever because a clan of cockwombles want to have an embarrassingly third rate punch up?
Why don't they go to the woods to do it where they'll be left alone? Same morons will be the first to complain about the rude boys running wild on their streets and asian gangs etc that have punch ups in public whilst lacking the complete sense of self awareness of what they are doing is the same.
Well at least things have improved, I remember going to Millwall Vs Everton at the old Den in the 80’s and it was the whole of the home fans singing this!
That was the 80's revisited: pre match fight, ugly faces, mandatory wanker signs, brave police horses, macho poses, peaky blinders, racist chants, 8 hours of drinking, obscene language, monsoon weather, more ugly faces, muddy pitches, people standing, sarf London and Scouse blending into Neanderthal grunts, brave police dogs, even more ugly faces, soaked to the skin, piss where you stand, brave police men and women, children held in arms while dad swears in harmony, quasimodo dopelgangers, satan's playground, Fagin's gang and borstal's finest.
Welcome to Millwall's Dystopian past, present and future.
You’re right, it shouldn’t happen full stop, but it does.
But having walked out the new den the time the walkway was out and both them and ours were whizzing things through the air, with normal fans on both sides present, but with no intention of getting close enough to each other to get hurt themselves, it was refreshing for me that these ones did.
I understand you don’t get that/agree with the point, which is fair enough. Apologies for derailing.
You’re right, it shouldn’t happen full stop, but it does.
But having walked out the new den the time the walkway was out and both them and ours were whizzing things through the air, with normal fans on both sides present, but with no intention of getting close enough to each other to get hurt themselves, it was refreshing for me that these ones did.
I understand you don’t get that/agree with the point, which is fair enough. Apologies for derailing.
The atmosphere I experienced tonight, nothing like that. If my dad had took me to the valley as a kid, I’d have got bored and stopped going. If my dad had took me to selhurst I’d have been embarrassed and stopped going.
Thank god for Millwall
Thought you were a bit more intelligent than the load of bollocks you just wrote.
If the FA wish to retain any credibility in their much vaunted campaign against racism in football they have to punish Millwall very severely for those “paki” chants. It will be a very sad day for British football if they do not take action.
If the FA wish to retain any credibility in their much vaunted campaign against racism in football they have to punish Millwall very severely for those “paki” chants. It will be a very sad day for British football if they do not take action.
I was saying it’s refreshing compared to the usual antics of pretending you want to do all of the above, which have all the same concequences you mentioned anyway.
As a passer by I’d rather walk past two groups having a punch up, than walk past the usual scene of a 100 numpties behind police lines pretending they want to fight, but instead just posturing, rushing at the police and throwing things - far more dangerous to innocents.
A bit like that organised stuff you get in the likes of Russia and Ukraine...though they tend to find a wooded area or a park to thrash things out.
If the FA wish to retain any credibility in their much vaunted campaign against racism in football they have to punish Millwall very severely for those “paki” chants. It will be a very sad day for British football if they do not take action.
I have Millwall in the family and spent a fair amount of my formative years surrounded by Millwall fans and drinking in Millwall pubs....
The ones I know have all been decent - they play up to the stereotype but I can have a laugh with them. However, scratch not far beneath the surface and there is an element of "pride by association" with the genuine cnuts that represent a significant minority (small majority?) of their support.
I'd like to think that the ones I know would condemn knife attacks, racist chanting and the widespread and regular disruption their Bermondsey / Welling chavs create. The problem is that a significant minority (small majority?) of Millwall fans in general revel in this stuff.
The old bag in the film, presumably the kid’s grandmother, now this video is out in the open will give Millwall football club a good chance to uphold this statement they’ve put out about racism
It was following the chants about scousers and Pakistanis. They said that anyone found guilty of racism will receive bans. Obviously in this case they can’t ban that little kid, as he’s obviously been brainwashed, but that old dog is surely recognisable and can be banned.
I have Millwall in the family and spent a fair amount of my formative years surrounded by Millwall fans and drinking in Millwall pubs....
The ones I know have all been decent - they play up to the stereotype but I can have a laugh with them. However, scratch not far beneath the surface and there is an element of "pride by association" with the genuine cnuts that represent a significant minority (small majority?) of their support.
I'd like to think that the ones I know would condemn knife attacks, racist chanting and the widespread and regular disruption their Bermondsey / Welling chavs create. The problem is that a significant minority (small majority?) of Millwall fans in general revel in this stuff.
If we had a fanbase like the spanners the Belgians would have been run out of town long ago.
I have Millwall in the family and spent a fair amount of my formative years surrounded by Millwall fans and drinking in Millwall pubs....
The ones I know have all been decent - they play up to the stereotype but I can have a laugh with them. However, scratch not far beneath the surface and there is an element of "pride by association" with the genuine cnuts that represent a significant minority (small majority?) of their support.
I'd like to think that the ones I know would condemn knife attacks, racist chanting and the widespread and regular disruption their Bermondsey / Welling chavs create. The problem is that a significant minority (small majority?) of Millwall fans in general revel in this stuff.
If we had a fanbase like the spanners the Belgians would have been run out of town long ago.
But would they have been that bothered? For any number of reasons, they are less politicised and less pro-active than Charlton fans (thank god).
I have Millwall in the family and spent a fair amount of my formative years surrounded by Millwall fans and drinking in Millwall pubs....
The ones I know have all been decent - they play up to the stereotype but I can have a laugh with them. However, scratch not far beneath the surface and there is an element of "pride by association" with the genuine cnuts that represent a significant minority (small majority?) of their support.
I'd like to think that the ones I know would condemn knife attacks, racist chanting and the widespread and regular disruption their Bermondsey / Welling chavs create. The problem is that a significant minority (small majority?) of Millwall fans in general revel in this stuff.
If we had a fanbase like the spanners the Belgians would have been run out of town long ago.
But would they have been that bothered? For any number of reasons, they are less politicised and less pro-active than Charlton fans (thank god).
Maybe so, we'll never know.
Throwing bricks rather than pigs and balloons may have had more effect.
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Truly horrible little club (albeit with the odd handful of decent fans) that attract a huge percentage of yellow teethed, feral, thicko, inadequates who gain some sort of misguided validation of tagging themselves onto the pathetic and timewarped image they've fostered to give a contrived identity to an otherwise wholly irrelevant establishment.
The further fallacy espoused by fans of other clubs who talk about them as some sort of proper old school working class club with proper fans etc is equally bollocks as football didn't start in the 70s when hooliganism came to prominence and being working class and proper doesn't mean carrying on the way they do with the deluded sense of self aggrandisation and pride as if having the biggest collective of thuggish scum and mouth breathing inadequates going to football is some sort of achievement outside of its culturally relevant heyday of the 70s and 80s.
It is a myth they keep needing to peddle to justify having such a scum element amongst their ranks and give it some sort of false romantic or noble justification when the reality is it's just a bunch of lemons acting like a bunch of lemons.
They have some very hard, violent and psychopathic followers undoubtedly...good for them....(who really cares and what does it count for in 2019?), but the worst are the kind that @Carter refers to....the types who tag on to the image and the nutters and revel in the exploits of others as if it elevates them to some sort of tough guy image by association. Social media is awash with them in their silly caps and stone island coats in the aftermath of days like today and it is all very amusing.
They remind me of the Mickey Pierce character in Scum and for every "handy"nutter they have out looking to injure someone over a game of football as a release for their psychological/emotional issues, they'll have 50 of the skinny Jeremy Kyle types who if it came down to it on their own would struggle to fight their way out of a wet paper bag before their malnourished frames gave out due to a diet of 10 lambert and butler and supermarket energy drinks.
All very tragic and comically amusing and as much as they may laugh at the likes of silly little trainspotting Charlton the complete lack of self awareness they possess of how they are actually perceived by 99% of adults and people with a bit of nous and common sense is hilarious.
Subsequently had a £5 on Wimbledon to win at 11/1 get in!
And as most know, the scousers and others had a big reputation for it previously. In fact some of the animosity of this fixture probably leads back to an infamous fixture at Goodson in the 80s where 12 Millwall supporters were stabbed - that sounds shocking in this day and age but was not quite so remarkable back then.
Like others have said though, Everton were there with a purpose and should take an equal amount of any blame from the press and joe bloggs as far as the actual general crowd trouble goes, but I suspect that won’t be the case.
Hopefully the scumbag slasher is punished heavily and does some serious time. I imagine all involved will be punished severely to be honest. Was a police dream standing there filming it all.
The stabbing aside it was actually refreshing (not to be interpreted as good) to see two groups do what they intended to do, as oppose to the pathetic posturing behind the police that happens at most football games these days.
Jesus wept.
As a passer by I’d rather walk past two groups having a punch up, than walk past the usual scene of a 100 numpties behind police lines pretending they want to fight, but instead just posturing, rushing at the police and throwing things - far more dangerous to innocents.
But when idiots are lobbing pint glasses, bottles and coins etc indiscrimanently through the air, then yes I know what situation I’d rather be around.
Whats even more moronic is when you have absolute tosspots following England who throw bottles etc in the air for “fun”.
Why don't they go to the woods to do it where they'll be left alone? Same morons will be the first to complain about the rude boys running wild on their streets and asian gangs etc that have punch ups in public whilst lacking the complete sense of self awareness of what they are doing is the same.
Tragic.
pre match fight, ugly faces, mandatory wanker signs, brave police horses, macho poses, peaky blinders, racist chants, 8 hours of drinking, obscene language, monsoon weather, more ugly faces, muddy pitches, people standing, sarf London and Scouse blending into Neanderthal grunts, brave police dogs, even more ugly faces, soaked to the skin, piss where you stand, brave police men and women, children held in arms while dad swears in harmony, quasimodo dopelgangers, satan's playground, Fagin's gang and borstal's finest.
Welcome to Millwall's Dystopian past, present and future.
But having walked out the new den the time the walkway was out and both them and ours were whizzing things through the air, with normal fans on both sides present, but with no intention of getting close enough to each other to get hurt themselves, it was refreshing for me that these ones did.
I understand you don’t get that/agree with the point, which is fair enough. Apologies for derailing.
Admirable parenting there too
How about when we actually won the FA Cup? Ever done that before?
The ones I know have all been decent - they play up to the stereotype but I can have a laugh with them. However, scratch not far beneath the surface and there is an element of "pride by association" with the genuine cnuts that represent a significant minority (small majority?) of their support.
I'd like to think that the ones I know would condemn knife attacks, racist chanting and the widespread and regular disruption their Bermondsey / Welling chavs create. The problem is that a significant minority (small majority?) of Millwall fans in general revel in this stuff.
It was following the chants about scousers and Pakistanis. They said that anyone found guilty of racism will receive bans. Obviously in this case they can’t ban that little kid, as he’s obviously been brainwashed, but that old dog is surely recognisable and can be banned.
Throwing bricks rather than pigs and balloons may have had more effect.