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  • Just lumped on dragon symbol at 2.58 on betfair,  I don't see that getting overturned 
  • Bollocks 
  • 2 down, 3 to go... had both singles too
  • Deano’s boy is in horse racing, his horse won at 8/1.
  • there is talk of expanding the Cheltenham festival to five days, for me a day too far. Already top class NH racing is diluted as many trainers keep their horses 'for Chelters' at the expense of all other meetings and courses and the top class horses are spread too thin at Cheltenham itself.  I know the extra day(s) will be good for the Cotswolds and greater Gloucestershire (and surrounding areas) economy as well as boosting turnover and profits for the bookies, for me however three days is good enough, four too many and don't even think about five
  • there is talk of expanding the Cheltenham festival to five days, for me a day too far. Already top class NH racing is diluted as many trainers keep their horses 'for Chelters' at the expense of all other meetings and courses and the top class horses are spread too thin at Cheltenham itself.  I know the extra day(s) will be good for the Cotswolds and greater Gloucestershire (and surrounding areas) economy as well as boosting turnover and profits for the bookies, for me however three days is good enough, four too many and don't even think about five
    I would prefer losing a day rather than gaining one. Back to Tuesday/Wednesday/Thursday for me - I agree three days is enough with the traditional features being Champion Hurdle (Tue), Queen Mum (Wed) and The Gold Cup (Thur) 

    While we're at it - Ascot Heath on the Saturday, four days of Royal Ascot is enough. Oh, and The Derby on the first WEDNESDAY in June.

    Call me a traditionist (or an old fogey). 
  • bobmunro said:
    there is talk of expanding the Cheltenham festival to five days, for me a day too far. Already top class NH racing is diluted as many trainers keep their horses 'for Chelters' at the expense of all other meetings and courses and the top class horses are spread too thin at Cheltenham itself.  I know the extra day(s) will be good for the Cotswolds and greater Gloucestershire (and surrounding areas) economy as well as boosting turnover and profits for the bookies, for me however three days is good enough, four too many and don't even think about five
    I would prefer losing a day rather than gaining one. Back to Tuesday/Wednesday/Thursday for me - I agree three days is enough with the traditional features being Champion Hurdle (Tue), Queen Mum (Wed) and The Gold Cup (Thur) 

    While we're at it - Ascot Heath on the Saturday, four days of Royal Ascot is enough. Oh, and The Derby on the first WEDNESDAY in June.

    Call me a traditionist (or an old fogey). 
    exactly .. although strike the bit about old fogey  :)
  • Understand that two cameramen have fallen out of the basket of a cherry picker at Hamilton Racecourse onto the roof of the Racetech truck. Seriously hope that they will be OK.
  • Racing finally abandoned. It was, by all accounts, the head on camera and the two cameramen fell some 30 feet onto the roof of the truck below. As I say, wish the two of them all the very best.

  • Racing finally abandoned. It was, by all accounts, the head on camera and the two cameramen fell some 30 feet onto the roof of the truck below. As I say, wish the two of them all the very best.
    this sounds like a  very serious incident, falling 30 feet onto a hard surface obviously means potentially serious injuries .. as said, all the best to both men
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  • At Brighton tonight and witnessed what looked like a horrible incident in the 8:05 where Shane Kelly on the favourite seemed to crash through the rail in a cloud of dust.
    No info on horse or jockey on course but only possible positive is the 8:35 went ahead.
  • Jockey Shane Kelly has been taken to hospital for further assessment following a nasty incident at Brighton on Tuesday evening.

    Kelly was riding 11-8 favourite Finvarra in division one of the mile handicap (8.05), who was leading the field before falling heavily three furlongs out, which sent the jockey crashing through the railings.

    Kelly was stretchered into the ambulance and was conscious and speaking, but has been taken to Royal Sussex County Hospital for further checks.

    Brighton clerk of the course Philip Hide said: "The news with Shane is that he's gone off to Royal Sussex County hospital for further observation. He's conscious and speaking, but he's gone for further checks because the hospital is so local."

    The Group 2-winning jockey has enjoyed a fine season in the saddle so far, notching his first Royal Ascot success in the Wokingham Stakes on Rohaan, who he also landed the Sandy Lane Stakes at Haydock on earlier in the year.

    The Evan Williams-trained Finvarra sadly suffered a fatal injury in the incident. His two career victories were over course-and-distance at the seaside track earlier this season.


  • Jockey Shane Kelly has been taken to hospital for further assessment following a nasty incident at Brighton on Tuesday evening.

    Kelly was riding 11-8 favourite Finvarra in division one of the mile handicap (8.05), who was leading the field before falling heavily three furlongs out, which sent the jockey crashing through the railings.

    Kelly was stretchered into the ambulance and was conscious and speaking, but has been taken to Royal Sussex County Hospital for further checks.

    Brighton clerk of the course Philip Hide said: "The news with Shane is that he's gone off to Royal Sussex County hospital for further observation. He's conscious and speaking, but he's gone for further checks because the hospital is so local."

    The Group 2-winning jockey has enjoyed a fine season in the saddle so far, notching his first Royal Ascot success in the Wokingham Stakes on Rohaan, who he also landed the Sandy Lane Stakes at Haydock on earlier in the year.

    The Evan Williams-trained Finvarra sadly suffered a fatal injury in the incident. His two career victories were over course-and-distance at the seaside track earlier this season.


    Liked for the info not the horse fatality or injury to jockey.
  • Williams needs to answer a few questions following that accident yesterday, i know it was unfortunate but he has run that horse 6 times in the last 6 weeks. 
  • My horse Vorashaan running at Lingfield today - he'd have an each way chance at decent odds ( but I always think that !) 
  • Good luck Alburyaddick
  • Sorry anyone who backed it - ran well below expectations for me and Gary Moore - all a bit strange but that's horses for you !
  • Albury, how much does it cost to keep a horse training and racing? With exception of purchase price… 
  • 2121 said:
    Albury, how much does it cost to keep a horse training and racing? With exception of purchase price… 
    It would vary depending on trainer - but this will give you an good idea.

    https://www.roa.co.uk/raceday/journey/cost/how-much-does-it-cost-to-be-an-owner.html


  • 2121 said:
    Albury, how much does it cost to keep a horse training and racing? With exception of purchase price… 
    I've got a few horses with Anthony Honeyball and his monthly charge is £1800.
    Also had some with Olly Murphy and his charges ranged from £2200-£2800 a month. 
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  • edited July 2021
    2121 said:
    Albury, how much does it cost to keep a horse training and racing? With exception of purchase price… 
    I've got a few horses with Anthony Honeyball and his monthly charge is £1800.
    Also had some with Olly Murphy and his charges ranged from £2200-£2800 a month. 
    Expensive hobby. 

    Out of interest, if you was the sole owner of a horse, how would the prize money usually be divided between owner, trainer and jockey?
  • 2121 said:
    Albury, how much does it cost to keep a horse training and racing? With exception of purchase price… 
    I've got a few horses with Anthony Honeyball and his monthly charge is £1800.
    Also had some with Olly Murphy and his charges ranged from £2200-£2800 a month. 
    Expensive hobby. 

    Out of interest, if you was the sole owner of a horse, how would the prize money usually be divided between owner, trainer and jockey


    From my position its 70% owner, 10% trainer, 10% jockey and then 5% stable staff and 5% into a racing charity
  • 2121 said:
    Albury, how much does it cost to keep a horse training and racing? With exception of purchase price… 
    I've got a few horses with Anthony Honeyball and his monthly charge is £1800.
    Also had some with Olly Murphy and his charges ranged from £2200-£2800 a month. 
    Expensive hobby. 

    Out of interest, if you was the sole owner of a horse, how would the prize money usually be divided between owner, trainer and jockey


    From my position its 70% owner, 10% trainer, 10% jockey and then 5% stable staff and 5% into a racing charity
    And you've still got to pay the jockeys riding fee,entries and travel costs. 
  • 2121 said:
    Albury, how much does it cost to keep a horse training and racing? With exception of purchase price… 
    I've got a few horses with Anthony Honeyball and his monthly charge is £1800.
    Also had some with Olly Murphy and his charges ranged from £2200-£2800 a month. 
    Expensive hobby. 

    Out of interest, if you was the sole owner of a horse, how would the prize money usually be divided between owner, trainer and jockey


    From my position its 70% owner, 10% trainer, 10% jockey and then 5% stable staff and 5% into a racing charity
    And you've still got to pay the jockeys riding fee,entries and travel costs. 
    Its generally about £600 every time it runs
  • So a hard working jockey like Hollie Doyle that rides around 3 times a day all year round, earns about £100 per race plus any winnings?
  • So a hard working jockey like Hollie Doyle that rides around 3 times a day all year round, earns about £100 per race plus any winnings?
    More like £200-250 per ride plus a % of the winnings..
  • According to the ROA flat jockeys get £127 per ride and jump jockeys £173 per ride. 
  • So a hard working jockey like Hollie Doyle that rides around 3 times a day all year round, earns about £100 per race plus any winnings?
    She's wins a fair bit of prize money!

    The top jockeys are on stable/owner retainers as well as winnings and earn fortunes. The average journeyman/woman jockey earns a living, no more.
  • According to the ROA flat jockeys get £127 per ride and jump jockeys £173 per ride. 
    So these are minimums? 
  • All jockeys get the same standard riding fee.But then there are all different prize money percentages,retainer fees,sponsorship money plus some trainers do cover travelling costs for some jockeys.
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