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  • Lingfield had a 100/1 & 125/1 winner today.
    The 100/1 had a Betfair Starting Price of 145.10 and the 125/1 had one of 503.82. The former hadn't beaten a runner in its last four outings but was stepping up to 10 furlongs for the first time in its 42 run career and had won twice off similar marks at the start of the year. The latter had shown nothing in its four runs and was running for the first time for Dominic Ffrench Davis, having formerly been with the now retired Geoffrey Deacon. Good luck to anyone who found either of those! 
    Surely, you would have done a win double.
    The sensible bet, at those prices, would have been two EW singles and an EW double. But anyone who did find those two is probably a "pinsticker" or probably in a straight jacket!
  • Oh dear! I fear four young jockeys are facing a ban following the opening race at Lingfield won by a 28/1 shot.

    In a 2 mile flat race, the horses crawled for the first couple of furlongs but then Tyrese Cameron on Certain Style took up the mantle and shot a furlong clear with some 14 furlongs still to go. The rest of the jockeys just watched and made no move to close the leader down until it became obvious to those watching that it was always going to be too late. The rank outsider won by 22 lengths with the rest of the horses separated by less than a length in total. The race for second place was a joy to behold but there is no facility, unfortunately, for punters to get meaningful returns for backing the  "first loser"!!!  
    To add to the confusion, it was subsequently discovered that the winner actually entered the wrong stall and Tyrese Cameron was cautioned as a result. All of the other four jockeys were suspended for 10 days each "for failing to take all reasonable and permissible measures to obtain the best possible placings".

    This is the Stewards' Report: 

    Race 1 - 11:10am
    THE STAY IN CONTROL WITH BETUK 'HANDS AND HEELS' APPRENTICE HANDICAP STAKES (CLASS 6) (Part of the Racing Excellence Initiative)

    The Starter reported that Tyrese Cameron, the rider of CERTAIN STYLE had originally entered the wrong stall. As a 7lb claiming apprentice, Cameron was accompanied in the enquiry by a BHA Jockey Coach. After both the rider and Starter were interviewed and shown recordings of the incident, Cameron was cautioned.

    An enquiry was held into the running and riding of all beaten horses after the winner CERTAIN STYLE had been allowed to establish a sizeable uncontested lead through the early and middle stages of the race. Kyle McHugh, the rider of GOLD AURA, placed second, Mason Paetel, the rider of UPEPO (IRE), placed third, Warren Fentiman, the rider of SHAAD, placed fourth and Chloe Lyons, the rider of GRAND DUCHESS OLGA, placed fifth, were interviewed and shown recordings of the race. The 7lb claiming apprentices were accompanied in the enquiry by a BHA Jockey Coach. McHugh stated that his instructions were to sit last as his horse was stepping up in trip to 2 miles and to try and settle his mount which had ran freely in the past. From his position in last place. Paetel stated that his horse was having its first run at the 2 mile trip and so he was instructed to position his horse at the rear of the field. From his position at the rear of the field he became aware that the winner, CERTAIN STYLE had got away from the chasing pack but felt he would come back to them in the latter stages of the race. Fentiman stated his instructions had been to race prominently but get cover and Lyons stated her instructions were to make the running, but after travelling a furlong she felt that CERTAIN STYLE was running too freely so she decided to sit second and take a lead. She added that she felt that CERTAIN STYLE was going too quickly but admitted that she had allowed the leader to stretch too far clear.
    The jockeys acknowledged that due to their collective inexperience, approximately 4 furlongs out, when the riders began to ask their mounts for effort, it became apparent that the leader was not going to come back to the field. Having heard their evidence, Mchugh, Paetel, Fentiman and Lyons were all suspended for 10 days each for failing to take all reasonable and permissible measures to obtain the best possible placings.

    Was similar action taken against the jockeys on the 2020 Derby when Serpentine won by about 10 lengths and never got challenged in the race? 
  • iaitch said:
    Oh dear! I fear four young jockeys are facing a ban following the opening race at Lingfield won by a 28/1 shot.

    In a 2 mile flat race, the horses crawled for the first couple of furlongs but then Tyrese Cameron on Certain Style took up the mantle and shot a furlong clear with some 14 furlongs still to go. The rest of the jockeys just watched and made no move to close the leader down until it became obvious to those watching that it was always going to be too late. The rank outsider won by 22 lengths with the rest of the horses separated by less than a length in total. The race for second place was a joy to behold but there is no facility, unfortunately, for punters to get meaningful returns for backing the  "first loser"!!!  
    To add to the confusion, it was subsequently discovered that the winner actually entered the wrong stall and Tyrese Cameron was cautioned as a result. All of the other four jockeys were suspended for 10 days each "for failing to take all reasonable and permissible measures to obtain the best possible placings".

    This is the Stewards' Report: 

    Race 1 - 11:10am
    THE STAY IN CONTROL WITH BETUK 'HANDS AND HEELS' APPRENTICE HANDICAP STAKES (CLASS 6) (Part of the Racing Excellence Initiative)

    The Starter reported that Tyrese Cameron, the rider of CERTAIN STYLE had originally entered the wrong stall. As a 7lb claiming apprentice, Cameron was accompanied in the enquiry by a BHA Jockey Coach. After both the rider and Starter were interviewed and shown recordings of the incident, Cameron was cautioned.

    An enquiry was held into the running and riding of all beaten horses after the winner CERTAIN STYLE had been allowed to establish a sizeable uncontested lead through the early and middle stages of the race. Kyle McHugh, the rider of GOLD AURA, placed second, Mason Paetel, the rider of UPEPO (IRE), placed third, Warren Fentiman, the rider of SHAAD, placed fourth and Chloe Lyons, the rider of GRAND DUCHESS OLGA, placed fifth, were interviewed and shown recordings of the race. The 7lb claiming apprentices were accompanied in the enquiry by a BHA Jockey Coach. McHugh stated that his instructions were to sit last as his horse was stepping up in trip to 2 miles and to try and settle his mount which had ran freely in the past. From his position in last place. Paetel stated that his horse was having its first run at the 2 mile trip and so he was instructed to position his horse at the rear of the field. From his position at the rear of the field he became aware that the winner, CERTAIN STYLE had got away from the chasing pack but felt he would come back to them in the latter stages of the race. Fentiman stated his instructions had been to race prominently but get cover and Lyons stated her instructions were to make the running, but after travelling a furlong she felt that CERTAIN STYLE was running too freely so she decided to sit second and take a lead. She added that she felt that CERTAIN STYLE was going too quickly but admitted that she had allowed the leader to stretch too far clear.
    The jockeys acknowledged that due to their collective inexperience, approximately 4 furlongs out, when the riders began to ask their mounts for effort, it became apparent that the leader was not going to come back to the field. Having heard their evidence, Mchugh, Paetel, Fentiman and Lyons were all suspended for 10 days each for failing to take all reasonable and permissible measures to obtain the best possible placings.

    Was similar action taken against the jockeys on the 2020 Derby when Serpentine won by about 10 lengths and never got challenged in the race? 
    I don't believe it was but, there again, that was slightly different in that Serpentine's actual winning distance was 5.5 lengths (as opposed to an "eased down" 22 lengths), the jockey didn't kick clear 14 furlongs out and the horse was at no point a furlong clear of the field. It could certainly be argued that the other jockeys were caught out in the Derby but it certainly wasn't visually anywhere near as bad as yesterday's race. Serpentine had to be ridden out to win the Derby whereas Certain Style could have virtually walked over the line.
  • Constitution Hill is a big drifter for the Fighting Fifth following this lacklustre gallop at Newbury with Sir Gino this morning from 1.7 out to 5.0 but now back in to 2.8 on Betfair. If it runs then someone has got tremendous value but if it doesn't then all backers have done their dough:

    https://x.com/AtTheRaces/status/1858834716423602276?ref_src=twsrc^google|twcamp^serp|twgr^tweet
    Plenty to take on trust backing CH this season given his recent issues but at least he wasn't practically pulled up in this gallop like he was last time!
  • BertieB said:
    Constitution Hill is a big drifter for the Fighting Fifth following this lacklustre gallop at Newbury with Sir Gino this morning from 1.7 out to 5.0 but now back in to 2.8 on Betfair. If it runs then someone has got tremendous value but if it doesn't then all backers have done their dough:

    https://x.com/AtTheRaces/status/1858834716423602276?ref_src=twsrc^google|twcamp^serp|twgr^tweet
    Plenty to take on trust backing CH this season given his recent issues but at least he wasn't practically pulled up in this gallop like he was last time!
    Agreed though the biggest thing to take on trust is that Nicky Henderson doesn't find an excuse to pull CH out even if he has declared it fit to run right now and why I won't back one of his ante-post. Now if it were to be 6/4 come the start then I would be sorely tempted to do so - you have to go back two and a half years for it to be that sort of price. 
  • BertieB said:
    Constitution Hill is a big drifter for the Fighting Fifth following this lacklustre gallop at Newbury with Sir Gino this morning from 1.7 out to 5.0 but now back in to 2.8 on Betfair. If it runs then someone has got tremendous value but if it doesn't then all backers have done their dough:

    https://x.com/AtTheRaces/status/1858834716423602276?ref_src=twsrc^google|twcamp^serp|twgr^tweet
    Plenty to take on trust backing CH this season given his recent issues but at least he wasn't practically pulled up in this gallop like he was last time!
    Agreed though the biggest thing to take on trust is that Nicky Henderson doesn't find an excuse to pull CH out even if he has declared it fit to run right now and why I won't back one of his ante-post. Now if it were to be 6/4 come the start then I would be sorely tempted to do so - you have to go back two and a half years for it to be that sort of price. 
    Agreed. Nicky Henderson is as cautious as they come. Would have to be very brave (or very tempted at the price) to back one of his antepost
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