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Lack of horses due to the advent of other, younger trainers, some of which are being supported by owners who might otherwise have sent their horses to Nicholls. The likes of Dan Skelton and Harry Derham in particular who, of course, learnt their trade under Nicholls. In fact, Derham is Nicholls' nephew!Lincsaddick said:
Just caught up with thisAddick Addict said:Starting in May, Harry Cobden has been announced as retained number one jockey to J P McManus in both Britain and Ireland. He'll continue to ride for Paul Nicholls, as and when one suspects it is mutually advantageous for him to do so, but, as jobs go, working for JP probably isn't the worst in the business.
Major tonic for Harry and McManus and a blow to Paul Nicholls,
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Funny, when we were due to go, it was called off, spent the day in the pub, mate went round to the bookies and did a tri cast on the dogs at Crayford on the Saturday morning, it came up, €700 win, ended up at the greyhound racing that night. The horse racing was switched to the Sunday and we had a good few winners. Only managed 48 pints of Guinness in the 3 days I was there on my stag.BertieB said:
Bollocks. Charlton in the pub it is!BertieB said:I'm going to the DRF for the first time this weekend (if it's on!). Anyone that's been got any advice about Leopardstown and the general experience? Best way to get there from Dublin, best bar to get a pint etc....?2 -
Neglected to mention I'm on my stag. Giving you a run for your money on the Guinness statsguinnessaddick said:
Funny, when we were due to go, it was called off, spent the day in the pub, mate went round to the bookies and did a tri cast on the dogs at Crayford on the Saturday morning, it came up, €700 win, ended up at the greyhound racing that night. The horse racing was switched to the Sunday and we had a good few winners. Only managed 48 pints of Guinness in the 3 days I was there on my stag.BertieB said:
Bollocks. Charlton in the pub it is!BertieB said:I'm going to the DRF for the first time this weekend (if it's on!). Anyone that's been got any advice about Leopardstown and the general experience? Best way to get there from Dublin, best bar to get a pint etc....?3 -
Superb performance from Constitution Hill over 1m 4f on the all-weather at Southwell this evening.
If I was Michael Buckley I would keep the horse on the flat. Plenty of big prizes to be won there.
I wonder if the Melbourne Cup could be a possibility.1 -
Have to say that was brilliant watching him storm away up the straight.I would be a layer in the CH though - wouldn’t trust him over the obstacles.Agree with the above - keep him on the flat and see what he can do. Would be box office and great PR for racing0
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I would just hate to see him get hurt going over hurdles again.kinveachyaddick said:Have to say that was brilliant watching him storm away up the straight.I would be a layer in the CH though - wouldn’t trust him over the obstacles.Agree with the above - keep him on the flat and see what he can do. Would be box office and great PR for racing
He has nothing to prove over the obstacles. He is already one of the best hurdlers ever. His defeats of State Man in the Champion Hurdle and Jonbon in the Supreme were sensational.
Stick to the flat and pick up some nice prizes.1 -
It would be amazing PR for racing - the Ascot Gold Cup is worth substantially more than a CH!superclive98 said:
I would just hate to see him get hurt going over hurdles again.kinveachyaddick said:Have to say that was brilliant watching him storm away up the straight.I would be a layer in the CH though - wouldn’t trust him over the obstacles.Agree with the above - keep him on the flat and see what he can do. Would be box office and great PR for racing
He has nothing to prove over the obstacles. He is already one of the best hurdlers ever. His defeats of State Man in the Champion Hurdle and Jonbon in the Supreme were sensational.
Stick to the flat and pick up some nice prizes.
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I wouldn't put it past him winning that or the other cup races.bobmunro said:
It would be amazing PR for racing - the Ascot Gold Cup is worth substantially more than a CH!superclive98 said:
I would just hate to see him get hurt going over hurdles again.kinveachyaddick said:Have to say that was brilliant watching him storm away up the straight.I would be a layer in the CH though - wouldn’t trust him over the obstacles.Agree with the above - keep him on the flat and see what he can do. Would be box office and great PR for racing
He has nothing to prove over the obstacles. He is already one of the best hurdlers ever. His defeats of State Man in the Champion Hurdle and Jonbon in the Supreme were sensational.
Stick to the flat and pick up some nice prizes.
Also imagine the negative PR should something bad happen to him back over hurdles.0 -
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This is no Frankie Dettori at Ascot but Luke Morris had seven rides at Lingfield today and has won on five of his first six at SPs of 11/4, 9/2, 13/2, 7/2 and 15/8.
His final ride is the ironically named Profit Street in the 16.42, currently a 5/2 shot. The even money favourite in the race is Watermelon Sugar, trained by Chelsea Banham whose partner Joey Haynes normally rides her horses but has gone to ride two of theirs at Kempton. However, Jamie Spencer is on board. If that doesn't raise a smirk than this surely will.
Banham's father, Gary, was once given an indefinite ban from racing after he threatened investigators from the BHA who were looking into lay bets on one of his horses. Charming fellow and the money behind Chelsea. Hope Morris wins.1 -
Watermelon Sugar just nosed in front of Prophet Street in the final couple of strides. A typical Jamie Spencer ride in fact.1
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https://x.com/sevenbarrows/status/2026654289309868467?s=46&t=ynww82GMl7VKBjthBflU0g“Michael Buckley and I have not surprisingly spent a lot of time soul searching and thinking over Constitution Hills future and have sadly concluded that he will not be running in the Unibet Champion Hurdle the week after next.Last Friday night was for us all a magical occasion and we so appreciated his popularity and the love and admiration everybody showed to Conrad , as he is fondly called here.It was a terrific night for both him, us, and I believe British Horse Racing and we are very aware of the public perception and the possible consequences of running over hurdles and feel it is not fair to ask him and Nico to do it again.He showed on Friday night that he has another career in front of him that could possibly take us all to new playing fields. I would like to thank the thousands of Constitution Hills supporters and admirers that have shared their sentiments with us and advice on how we should proceed, and I would have to say the poll was as near 50/50 as you could get.This is a sad day for a lot of us, particularly the National Hunt fraternity that would have liked to have seen Constitution Hill try to regain his crown and sad for all here especially Nico who has spent so much time trying to iron out our jumping issues.However he leaves the jumping world sound & happy and ready for the next chapter. It has been a staggering journey so far and Michael has had to endure some dark days but of course enjoyed the enormous highs and thrills of an extraordinary horse.Cheltenham have kindly invited Constitution Hill to parade on Champion Hurdle day to give all his National Hunt supporters the opportunity to say goodbye.”3
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I think thats the right decision, he's been lucky to avoid injury with his previous falls.1
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Definitely the correct decision.
He is already a Champion Hurdle winner, so has nothing to gain by winning another.
The possible downsides of running far outweigh the possible upsides.2 -
superclive98 said:Definitely the correct decision.
He is already a Champion Hurdle winner, so has nothing to gain by winning another.
The possible downsides of running far outweigh the possible upsides.100%Magnificent horse who has zero to prove over the sticks and will go down as one of the great hurdlers. The decision is to protect 'Conrad' and Nico and they are the most important things.Nicky doesn't think he'll get the distance at Ascot so maybe Goodwood at 2m could work. Melbourne Cup as well but that's a long way to go and European success has been hard to come by, English success even more so!0 -
The Melbourne Cup was my first thought but I wonder if his rating and therefore, weight might be too much.bobmunro said:superclive98 said:Definitely the correct decision.
He is already a Champion Hurdle winner, so has nothing to gain by winning another.
The possible downsides of running far outweigh the possible upsides.100%Magnificent horse who has zero to prove over the sticks and will go down as one of the great hurdlers. The decision is to protect 'Conrad' and Nico and they are the most important things.Nicky doesn't think he'll get the distance at Ascot so maybe Goodwood at 2m could work. Melbourne Cup as well but that's a long way to go and European success has been hard to come by, English success even more so!
I'd like to see Nicky cherry-pick some decent early season prizes and then assess where he stands in early June, before the ground srarts to firm up.0 -
superclive98 said:
The Melbourne Cup was my first thought but I wonder if his rating and therefore, weight might be too much.bobmunro said:superclive98 said:Definitely the correct decision.
He is already a Champion Hurdle winner, so has nothing to gain by winning another.
The possible downsides of running far outweigh the possible upsides.100%Magnificent horse who has zero to prove over the sticks and will go down as one of the great hurdlers. The decision is to protect 'Conrad' and Nico and they are the most important things.Nicky doesn't think he'll get the distance at Ascot so maybe Goodwood at 2m could work. Melbourne Cup as well but that's a long way to go and European success has been hard to come by, English success even more so!
I'd like to see Nicky cherry-pick some decent early season prizes and then assess where he stands in early June, before the ground srarts to firm up.
Yes that makes sense. The Sagaro Stakes on trials day could be an option.0 -
May depend on whether they see him as a middle distance horse or over further.bobmunro said:superclive98 said:
The Melbourne Cup was my first thought but I wonder if his rating and therefore, weight might be too much.bobmunro said:superclive98 said:Definitely the correct decision.
He is already a Champion Hurdle winner, so has nothing to gain by winning another.
The possible downsides of running far outweigh the possible upsides.100%Magnificent horse who has zero to prove over the sticks and will go down as one of the great hurdlers. The decision is to protect 'Conrad' and Nico and they are the most important things.Nicky doesn't think he'll get the distance at Ascot so maybe Goodwood at 2m could work. Melbourne Cup as well but that's a long way to go and European success has been hard to come by, English success even more so!
I'd like to see Nicky cherry-pick some decent early season prizes and then assess where he stands in early June, before the ground srarts to firm up.
Yes that makes sense. The Sagaro Stakes on trials day could be an option.
He showed a fair amount of toe at Southwell.0
