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Lack of horses due to the advent of other, younger trainers, some of which are being supported by owners who might otherwise have sent their horses to Nicholls. The likes of Dan Skelton and Harry Derham in particular who, of course, learnt their trade under Nicholls. In fact, Derham is Nicholls' nephew!Lincsaddick said:
Just caught up with thisAddick Addict said:Starting in May, Harry Cobden has been announced as retained number one jockey to J P McManus in both Britain and Ireland. He'll continue to ride for Paul Nicholls, as and when one suspects it is mutually advantageous for him to do so, but, as jobs go, working for JP probably isn't the worst in the business.
Major tonic for Harry and McManus and a blow to Paul Nicholls,
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Funny, when we were due to go, it was called off, spent the day in the pub, mate went round to the bookies and did a tri cast on the dogs at Crayford on the Saturday morning, it came up, €700 win, ended up at the greyhound racing that night. The horse racing was switched to the Sunday and we had a good few winners. Only managed 48 pints of Guinness in the 3 days I was there on my stag.BertieB said:
Bollocks. Charlton in the pub it is!BertieB said:I'm going to the DRF for the first time this weekend (if it's on!). Anyone that's been got any advice about Leopardstown and the general experience? Best way to get there from Dublin, best bar to get a pint etc....?2 -
Neglected to mention I'm on my stag. Giving you a run for your money on the Guinness statsguinnessaddick said:
Funny, when we were due to go, it was called off, spent the day in the pub, mate went round to the bookies and did a tri cast on the dogs at Crayford on the Saturday morning, it came up, €700 win, ended up at the greyhound racing that night. The horse racing was switched to the Sunday and we had a good few winners. Only managed 48 pints of Guinness in the 3 days I was there on my stag.BertieB said:
Bollocks. Charlton in the pub it is!BertieB said:I'm going to the DRF for the first time this weekend (if it's on!). Anyone that's been got any advice about Leopardstown and the general experience? Best way to get there from Dublin, best bar to get a pint etc....?3 -
Superb performance from Constitution Hill over 1m 4f on the all-weather at Southwell this evening.
If I was Michael Buckley I would keep the horse on the flat. Plenty of big prizes to be won there.
I wonder if the Melbourne Cup could be a possibility.1 -
Have to say that was brilliant watching him storm away up the straight.I would be a layer in the CH though - wouldn’t trust him over the obstacles.Agree with the above - keep him on the flat and see what he can do. Would be box office and great PR for racing0
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I would just hate to see him get hurt going over hurdles again.kinveachyaddick said:Have to say that was brilliant watching him storm away up the straight.I would be a layer in the CH though - wouldn’t trust him over the obstacles.Agree with the above - keep him on the flat and see what he can do. Would be box office and great PR for racing
He has nothing to prove over the obstacles. He is already one of the best hurdlers ever. His defeats of State Man in the Champion Hurdle and Jonbon in the Supreme were sensational.
Stick to the flat and pick up some nice prizes.1 -
It would be amazing PR for racing - the Ascot Gold Cup is worth substantially more than a CH!superclive98 said:
I would just hate to see him get hurt going over hurdles again.kinveachyaddick said:Have to say that was brilliant watching him storm away up the straight.I would be a layer in the CH though - wouldn’t trust him over the obstacles.Agree with the above - keep him on the flat and see what he can do. Would be box office and great PR for racing
He has nothing to prove over the obstacles. He is already one of the best hurdlers ever. His defeats of State Man in the Champion Hurdle and Jonbon in the Supreme were sensational.
Stick to the flat and pick up some nice prizes.
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I wouldn't put it past him winning that or the other cup races.bobmunro said:
It would be amazing PR for racing - the Ascot Gold Cup is worth substantially more than a CH!superclive98 said:
I would just hate to see him get hurt going over hurdles again.kinveachyaddick said:Have to say that was brilliant watching him storm away up the straight.I would be a layer in the CH though - wouldn’t trust him over the obstacles.Agree with the above - keep him on the flat and see what he can do. Would be box office and great PR for racing
He has nothing to prove over the obstacles. He is already one of the best hurdlers ever. His defeats of State Man in the Champion Hurdle and Jonbon in the Supreme were sensational.
Stick to the flat and pick up some nice prizes.
Also imagine the negative PR should something bad happen to him back over hurdles.0 -
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This is no Frankie Dettori at Ascot but Luke Morris had seven rides at Lingfield today and has won on five of his first six at SPs of 11/4, 9/2, 13/2, 7/2 and 15/8.
His final ride is the ironically named Profit Street in the 16.42, currently a 5/2 shot. The even money favourite in the race is Watermelon Sugar, trained by Chelsea Banham whose partner Joey Haynes normally rides her horses but has gone to ride two of theirs at Kempton. However, Jamie Spencer is on board. If that doesn't raise a smirk than this surely will.
Banham's father, Gary, was once given an indefinite ban from racing after he threatened investigators from the BHA who were looking into lay bets on one of his horses. Charming fellow and the money behind Chelsea. Hope Morris wins.1 -
Watermelon Sugar just nosed in front of Prophet Street in the final couple of strides. A typical Jamie Spencer ride in fact.1
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https://x.com/sevenbarrows/status/2026654289309868467?s=46&t=ynww82GMl7VKBjthBflU0g“Michael Buckley and I have not surprisingly spent a lot of time soul searching and thinking over Constitution Hills future and have sadly concluded that he will not be running in the Unibet Champion Hurdle the week after next.Last Friday night was for us all a magical occasion and we so appreciated his popularity and the love and admiration everybody showed to Conrad , as he is fondly called here.It was a terrific night for both him, us, and I believe British Horse Racing and we are very aware of the public perception and the possible consequences of running over hurdles and feel it is not fair to ask him and Nico to do it again.He showed on Friday night that he has another career in front of him that could possibly take us all to new playing fields. I would like to thank the thousands of Constitution Hills supporters and admirers that have shared their sentiments with us and advice on how we should proceed, and I would have to say the poll was as near 50/50 as you could get.This is a sad day for a lot of us, particularly the National Hunt fraternity that would have liked to have seen Constitution Hill try to regain his crown and sad for all here especially Nico who has spent so much time trying to iron out our jumping issues.However he leaves the jumping world sound & happy and ready for the next chapter. It has been a staggering journey so far and Michael has had to endure some dark days but of course enjoyed the enormous highs and thrills of an extraordinary horse.Cheltenham have kindly invited Constitution Hill to parade on Champion Hurdle day to give all his National Hunt supporters the opportunity to say goodbye.”3
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I think thats the right decision, he's been lucky to avoid injury with his previous falls.1
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Definitely the correct decision.
He is already a Champion Hurdle winner, so has nothing to gain by winning another.
The possible downsides of running far outweigh the possible upsides.2 -
superclive98 said:Definitely the correct decision.
He is already a Champion Hurdle winner, so has nothing to gain by winning another.
The possible downsides of running far outweigh the possible upsides.100%Magnificent horse who has zero to prove over the sticks and will go down as one of the great hurdlers. The decision is to protect 'Conrad' and Nico and they are the most important things.Nicky doesn't think he'll get the distance at Ascot so maybe Goodwood at 2m could work. Melbourne Cup as well but that's a long way to go and European success has been hard to come by, English success even more so!0 -
The Melbourne Cup was my first thought but I wonder if his rating and therefore, weight might be too much.bobmunro said:superclive98 said:Definitely the correct decision.
He is already a Champion Hurdle winner, so has nothing to gain by winning another.
The possible downsides of running far outweigh the possible upsides.100%Magnificent horse who has zero to prove over the sticks and will go down as one of the great hurdlers. The decision is to protect 'Conrad' and Nico and they are the most important things.Nicky doesn't think he'll get the distance at Ascot so maybe Goodwood at 2m could work. Melbourne Cup as well but that's a long way to go and European success has been hard to come by, English success even more so!
I'd like to see Nicky cherry-pick some decent early season prizes and then assess where he stands in early June, before the ground srarts to firm up.0 -
superclive98 said:
The Melbourne Cup was my first thought but I wonder if his rating and therefore, weight might be too much.bobmunro said:superclive98 said:Definitely the correct decision.
He is already a Champion Hurdle winner, so has nothing to gain by winning another.
The possible downsides of running far outweigh the possible upsides.100%Magnificent horse who has zero to prove over the sticks and will go down as one of the great hurdlers. The decision is to protect 'Conrad' and Nico and they are the most important things.Nicky doesn't think he'll get the distance at Ascot so maybe Goodwood at 2m could work. Melbourne Cup as well but that's a long way to go and European success has been hard to come by, English success even more so!
I'd like to see Nicky cherry-pick some decent early season prizes and then assess where he stands in early June, before the ground srarts to firm up.
Yes that makes sense. The Sagaro Stakes on trials day could be an option.0 -
May depend on whether they see him as a middle distance horse or over further.bobmunro said:superclive98 said:
The Melbourne Cup was my first thought but I wonder if his rating and therefore, weight might be too much.bobmunro said:superclive98 said:Definitely the correct decision.
He is already a Champion Hurdle winner, so has nothing to gain by winning another.
The possible downsides of running far outweigh the possible upsides.100%Magnificent horse who has zero to prove over the sticks and will go down as one of the great hurdlers. The decision is to protect 'Conrad' and Nico and they are the most important things.Nicky doesn't think he'll get the distance at Ascot so maybe Goodwood at 2m could work. Melbourne Cup as well but that's a long way to go and European success has been hard to come by, English success even more so!
I'd like to see Nicky cherry-pick some decent early season prizes and then assess where he stands in early June, before the ground srarts to firm up.
Yes that makes sense. The Sagaro Stakes on trials day could be an option.
He showed a fair amount of toe at Southwell.0 -
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L'Arrive De L'Est is an understandable and worthy short-price favourite for Saturday's Midlands National at Uttoxeter, having finished close behind Final Orders and subsequently (and unfortunately with his saddle slipping) 8L behind Favori De Champdou over Cheltenham's XC course earlier this season - he runs off the same 126 mark as for the latter 8L defeat.
Unraced over further than the XC 29.5f, the 7yo is closely related to Valseur Lido, who twice ran well for a long way in GNs before running out of gas and 10/3 is short enough IMO and I'll take him on with 2 that will definitely see out the 34f trip:
Neo King 16/1 e/w
Closely related to GN winner Rule The World, was a staying-on close 3rd in February's Grand National Trial. While the winner of that went down to defeat in Tuesday's NH Chase, Monbeg Genius, behind him that day, was a nice 3rd in the Kim Muir yesterday.
Incidentally, the Kim Muir was won by Neo King’s stablemate at 22/1, so the Williams’ horses are in good order even if the man himself is in a spot of bother.
He handles any ground and finishes all his races like he’d relish a marathon trip, coming from nowhere to go down by a nose in the 3.5m Southern National at Fontwell in November and was the quickest finishing of the field when beaten 10L in the 4m Borders National in December on Soft.
Can get a little behind in his races but Ben Jones (1 from 1 on him) rides and he keeps the cheekpieces that have seen him win and place on prior starts.
Deafening Silence 8/1 win
Closely related to The Last Samuri (2nd to Rule The World in the 2016 GN, ironically) was close 4th in the same GNT and before that a staying on 3rd in the fast-paced Welsh National, 4L adrift of Haiti Couleurs. 2lbs higher OR on Saturday should not inconvenience Skelton's charge.
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With it officially Soft at Uttoxeter, though tempted by Git Maker, I'm adding the less exposed Grand Albert at 12/1 e/w to my Midlands National team.
Closely related to Hennessy winner and twice GN runner up Suny Bay, he was the fastest finishing in February's GNT on GS (beaten 5L), the furthest trip he's run to date, but now with his preferred ground he should relish this test.
I'm cashing out my win interest in Deafening Silence. I'll no doubt regret doing so and I still believe he can make the frame but, over this trip and with 11.10, I suspect the softer going will be to his relative disadvantage at the sharp end.
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I cannot believe in these times that this can happen.
This cunt should be first banned forever and then publicly flogged.
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Absolutely disgraceful. A 12-day ban is a joke of a penalty.PeanutsMolloy said:I cannot believe in these times that this can happen.
This cunt should be first banned forever and then publicly flogged.
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If he'd pulled the horse up the stewards would've probably charged him with not trying to attain the best result and hit him with a 40 day ban.
Heard about it on a Betfair Forum but having seen it it looks disgusting.1 -
That would've been a new one on me, a race where no one finishes.
Also has there ever been a triple dead heat?0 -
IMO, if there's only 1 left racing, they need to signal to the remaining jockey that he's won - doesn't have to complete and can pull up as the winner.
Fair enough if he's the last one standing.1 -
Neo King getting a lot of support - into 13/2 2nd fav.
Git Maker and Grand Albert also positive as is the Fav and Aworkinprogress - everything else on the drift.
Had a win bet saver on Git Maker to complete my slip.0 -
iaitch said:That would've been a new one on me, a race where no one finishes.
Also has there ever been a triple dead heat?There have been quite a few races where there were no finishers - not surprisingly the race is declared void.Since the introduction of photo finishes there hasn't been any in the UK. Prior to that where the judge would determine the result as the sole arbiter there were triple, even quadruple dead heats.There have been triple dead heats using photo finishes in other countries.
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Thanks Bob thought it was unlikely but it happens that's to both the no finishers and triple dead heats.0
