Yesterday was the first time I’d heard of the Laytown ‘track’ in Ireland. Are there any other race meetings run on courses that are not your usual turf/poly etc set up in what I’d consider normal rules race surroundings?
They race on snow in St Moritz, or ‘the white turf’ as it’s called.
Its where George Baker really injured his head after falling.
Impressive run by Modern Games to win at the Breeders Cup although bizarrely he was withdrawn from the betting market. How is Baffert still allowed to run his horses in some states after failing numerous drug tests? It makes a mockery of their system.
Happened again for Charlie Appleby. Master of the Seas withdrawn after rearing in the stalls then Space Blues winning. Thought 9/4 was a great price so had a nibble on it.
Good luck northstandsteve, nice day at Newbury for owners if no restrictions?! Haven't been on for ages and also just seen your post as regards "battle of the owners" at Newbury on 15th.Who did Falconwood 1 own and did I win........ Lol
That first race was a bumper so clearly connections knew that the horse had an engine but opted to start the horse's flat career in a Class 4 race won by Baeed, trained by Willie Haggas, who has a lifetime record of 6 from 6 wins including the QE2 at Ascot last time out!
Almufeed was 16/1 last night, went off at 5/2, made all and won doing handstands. The stable will probably say that their charge is "progressive" and deny all knowledge of the gamble.
The second gamble came in the next race at Wolverhampton (12.50) in the shape of Axel Jacklin - trained by Chelsea Banham and ridden by her boyfriend and assistant trainer Joey Haynes. The form of this one for its previous five runs:
So the animal had managed to beat one horse in it last five outings. Axel Jacklin was put in short last night @ 6/1but the gamble didn't really take off 'til the final hour before the race and its price plummeted to 13/8. Haynes was always in the front rank and quickened clear on the horse 2f out but it got beat in the final strides (losing by a head to a 16/1 shot) having traded at 1.04 (1/25) in running.
Connections will, as they always do, when money is down for a horse that has shown nothing, that it goes will fresh (break of 107 days). This is, however, the modus operandi of this stable and the man behind it is no doubt the trainer's father, Gary, a haulier. This is a man who was once indefinitely banned in 2011 from racing for laying Sabre Light and also for threatening BHA investigators with violence when they came to visit him. His ban was rescinded in 2015.
This lot have tried and been successful in landing touches such as this on a number of occasions. For your average punter it becomes a guessing game. But there is one thing that really doesn't sit right with me over this. And that is the number of times Axel Jacklin was hit - nine times in the final furlong - two more than permitted, above the shoulder too and it could also be argued that Haynes did not give the horse enough time between strikes. Haynes wanted to win this race for obvious reasons more than the rest of the jockeys and was prepared to step over the line.
I've just checked the BHA website and Haynes has received a two day ban. That is a complete and utter joke. This is someone who will go a couple of times a week to ride a few horses each time. It means nothing to him. The point is he broke the rules and had the horse managed to last home, connections would have been rewarded despite breaking the rules of racing - and you cannot separate Haynes from them. So, how about this - every time a jockey is guilty of excessive force, he is banned for 60 days as is the horse and there is an automatic 10lb rise in the horse's handicap mark, with a further 5lb penalty for each excessive smack. And the horse isn't allowed to return to its previous mark for a minimum of six runs.
That won't prevent every time it happens but it will make jockeys think twice.
I saw a race yesterday @Addick Addict where a 200/1 shot just got beat (result was changed from 2nd to 3rd for some reason). Prior to that race, it was massively gambled on prior to the off from 14/1 into 5/2 within 5 mins and come stone last. Is there any suspicious tactic to that?
I saw a race yesterday @Addick Addict where a 200/1 shot just got beat (result was changed from 2nd to 3rd for some reason). Prior to that race, it was massively gambled on prior to the off from 14/1 into 5/2 within 5 mins and come stone last. Is there any suspicious tactic to that?
The horses name was The Ormer Gatherer.
That gamble was the horse's first run and in its five previous races prior to yesterday, the horse had beaten just two others in total. I just think that the trainer, David Evans, probably told the owners prior to its debut that it was a flying machine but then very quickly they realised that they actually had a 45 rated "fun horse". That said, yesterday's improvement in form coincided with the step up in trip so he will probably prove to be better than that.
Two things are for certain - it wouldn't have gone off at 200/1 yesterday had connections known it might have run a race and they won't get anything like that price next time!
Edit - just to demonstrate how wrong the stable got The Ormer Gatherer wrong re its ability - the marks of the six horses in front of him that day are now 83-74-73-65-62-45. The other horse rated 45 now went off 150/1 that day as opposed to TOG's 5/2 !!!
I saw a race yesterday @Addick Addict where a 200/1 shot just got beat (result was changed from 2nd to 3rd for some reason). Prior to that race, it was massively gambled on prior to the off from 14/1 into 5/2 within 5 mins and come stone last. Is there any suspicious tactic to that?
The horses name was The Ormer Gatherer.
That gamble was the horse's first run and in its five previous races prior to yesterday, the horse had beaten just two others in total. I just think that the trainer, David Evans, probably told the owners prior to its debut that it was a flying machine but then very quickly they realised that they actually had a 45 rated "fun horse". That said, yesterday's improvement in form coincided with the step up in trip so he will probably prove to be better than that.
Two things are for certain - it wouldn't have gone off at 200/1 yesterday had connections known it might have run a race and they won't get anything like that price next time!
Edit - just to demonstrate how wrong the stable got The Ormer Gatherer wrong re its ability - the marks of the six horses in front of him that day are now 83-74-73-65-62-45. The other horse rated 45 now went off 150/1 that day as opposed to TOG's 5/2 !!!
Ah that makes sense. I hadnt realised that the gamble was on its first run, as I only saw a previous gamble mentioned from twitter comments.
That first race was a bumper so clearly connections knew that the horse had an engine but opted to start the horse's flat career in a Class 4 race won by Baeed, trained by Willie Haggas, who has a lifetime record of 6 from 6 wins including the QE2 at Ascot last time out!
Almufeed was 16/1 last night, went off at 5/2, made all and won doing handstands. The stable will probably say that their charge is "progressive" and deny all knowledge of the gamble.
The second gamble came in the next race at Wolverhampton (12.50) in the shape of Axel Jacklin - trained by Chelsea Banham and ridden by her boyfriend and assistant trainer Joey Haynes. The form of this one for its previous five runs:
So the animal had managed to beat one horse in it last five outings. Axel Jacklin was put in short last night @ 6/1but the gamble didn't really take off 'til the final hour before the race and its price plummeted to 13/8. Haynes was always in the front rank and quickened clear on the horse 2f out but it got beat in the final strides (losing by a head to a 16/1 shot) having traded at 1.04 (1/25) in running.
Connections will, as they always do, when money is down for a horse that has shown nothing, that it goes will fresh (break of 107 days). This is, however, the modus operandi of this stable and the man behind it is no doubt the trainer's father, Gary, a haulier. This is a man who was once indefinitely banned in 2011 from racing for laying Sabre Light and also for threatening BHA investigators with violence when they came to visit him. His ban was rescinded in 2015.
This lot have tried and been successful in landing touches such as this on a number of occasions. For your average punter it becomes a guessing game. But there is one thing that really doesn't sit right with me over this. And that is the number of times Axel Jacklin was hit - nine times in the final furlong - two more than permitted, above the shoulder too and it could also be argued that Haynes did not give the horse enough time between strikes. Haynes wanted to win this race for obvious reasons more than the rest of the jockeys and was prepared to step over the line.
I've just checked the BHA website and Haynes has received a two day ban. That is a complete and utter joke. This is someone who will go a couple of times a week to ride a few horses each time. It means nothing to him. The point is he broke the rules and had the horse managed to last home, connections would have been rewarded despite breaking the rules of racing - and you cannot separate Haynes from them. So, how about this - every time a jockey is guilty of excessive force, he is banned for 60 days as is the horse and there is an automatic 10lb rise in the horse's handicap mark, with a further 5lb penalty for each excessive smack. And the horse isn't allowed to return to its previous mark for a minimum of six runs.
That won't prevent every time it happens but it will make jockeys think twice.
I would go further. It isn't difficult to count how many times the whip is used and if there is immediate evidence of a rule violation then a SE should be called. The subsequent punishments you list, fine - but the horse should also lose the race through disqualification.
The plot thickens - Martineo (previously beaten just 6 horses in its 6 previous runs), owned by the same connections as the winner of the first race and also ridden by Grace McEntee but trained by John Butler (Barney Curley's former assistant) has just been backed from an overnight 12/1 in to 100/30. And won.
It is possible that all three gambles are connected. And if I didn't know that Curley left this mortal coil last year I would suspect that he was behind all three of them!!!
That first race was a bumper so clearly connections knew that the horse had an engine but opted to start the horse's flat career in a Class 4 race won by Baeed, trained by Willie Haggas, who has a lifetime record of 6 from 6 wins including the QE2 at Ascot last time out!
Almufeed was 16/1 last night, went off at 5/2, made all and won doing handstands. The stable will probably say that their charge is "progressive" and deny all knowledge of the gamble.
The second gamble came in the next race at Wolverhampton (12.50) in the shape of Axel Jacklin - trained by Chelsea Banham and ridden by her boyfriend and assistant trainer Joey Haynes. The form of this one for its previous five runs:
So the animal had managed to beat one horse in it last five outings. Axel Jacklin was put in short last night @ 6/1but the gamble didn't really take off 'til the final hour before the race and its price plummeted to 13/8. Haynes was always in the front rank and quickened clear on the horse 2f out but it got beat in the final strides (losing by a head to a 16/1 shot) having traded at 1.04 (1/25) in running.
Connections will, as they always do, when money is down for a horse that has shown nothing, that it goes will fresh (break of 107 days). This is, however, the modus operandi of this stable and the man behind it is no doubt the trainer's father, Gary, a haulier. This is a man who was once indefinitely banned in 2011 from racing for laying Sabre Light and also for threatening BHA investigators with violence when they came to visit him. His ban was rescinded in 2015.
This lot have tried and been successful in landing touches such as this on a number of occasions. For your average punter it becomes a guessing game. But there is one thing that really doesn't sit right with me over this. And that is the number of times Axel Jacklin was hit - nine times in the final furlong - two more than permitted, above the shoulder too and it could also be argued that Haynes did not give the horse enough time between strikes. Haynes wanted to win this race for obvious reasons more than the rest of the jockeys and was prepared to step over the line.
I've just checked the BHA website and Haynes has received a two day ban. That is a complete and utter joke. This is someone who will go a couple of times a week to ride a few horses each time. It means nothing to him. The point is he broke the rules and had the horse managed to last home, connections would have been rewarded despite breaking the rules of racing - and you cannot separate Haynes from them. So, how about this - every time a jockey is guilty of excessive force, he is banned for 60 days as is the horse and there is an automatic 10lb rise in the horse's handicap mark, with a further 5lb penalty for each excessive smack. And the horse isn't allowed to return to its previous mark for a minimum of six runs.
That won't prevent every time it happens but it will make jockeys think twice.
I would go further. It isn't difficult to count how many times the whip is used and if there is immediate evidence of a rule violation then a SE should be called. The subsequent punishments you list, fine - but the horse should also lose the race through disqualification.
Absolutely right @bobmunro What kind of sport is it where a cheat is permitted to keep the win? To be fair to the late Big Mac, he was always strongly of that opinion.
Power Geneva is Lee Power who played for us on loan and then became the owner of Swindon Town FC He likes to get his horses to land a gamble if you get my drift
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that looks the nuts
How is Baffert still allowed to run his horses in some states after failing numerous drug tests? It makes a mockery of their system.
Haven't been on for ages and also just seen your post as regards "battle of the owners" at Newbury on 15th.Who did Falconwood 1 own and did I win........ Lol
Very nice.
Happy New Year!!
Wolv 12.20 - Almufeed trained by Sean Curran ridden by Grace McEntee, daughter of trainer Phil, previous lifetime form (most recent first):
6th/14 @ 12/1
7th/9 @ 22/1
8th/14 @ 300/1
7th/12 @ 200/1
10th/14 @ 200/1
6th/8 @ 100/30
That first race was a bumper so clearly connections knew that the horse had an engine but opted to start the horse's flat career in a Class 4 race won by Baeed, trained by Willie Haggas, who has a lifetime record of 6 from 6 wins including the QE2 at Ascot last time out!
Almufeed was 16/1 last night, went off at 5/2, made all and won doing handstands. The stable will probably say that their charge is "progressive" and deny all knowledge of the gamble.
The second gamble came in the next race at Wolverhampton (12.50) in the shape of Axel Jacklin - trained by Chelsea Banham and ridden by her boyfriend and assistant trainer Joey Haynes. The form of this one for its previous five runs:
12th/13 @ 80/1
12th/12 @ 66/1
13th/13 @ 40/1
11th/12 @ 28/1
13th/16 @ 16/1
So the animal had managed to beat one horse in it last five outings. Axel Jacklin was put in short last night @ 6/1but the gamble didn't really take off 'til the final hour before the race and its price plummeted to 13/8. Haynes was always in the front rank and quickened clear on the horse 2f out but it got beat in the final strides (losing by a head to a 16/1 shot) having traded at 1.04 (1/25) in running.
Connections will, as they always do, when money is down for a horse that has shown nothing, that it goes will fresh (break of 107 days). This is, however, the modus operandi of this stable and the man behind it is no doubt the trainer's father, Gary, a haulier. This is a man who was once indefinitely banned in 2011 from racing for laying Sabre Light and also for threatening BHA investigators with violence when they came to visit him. His ban was rescinded in 2015.
This lot have tried and been successful in landing touches such as this on a number of occasions. For your average punter it becomes a guessing game. But there is one thing that really doesn't sit right with me over this. And that is the number of times Axel Jacklin was hit - nine times in the final furlong - two more than permitted, above the shoulder too and it could also be argued that Haynes did not give the horse enough time between strikes. Haynes wanted to win this race for obvious reasons more than the rest of the jockeys and was prepared to step over the line.
I've just checked the BHA website and Haynes has received a two day ban. That is a complete and utter joke. This is someone who will go a couple of times a week to ride a few horses each time. It means nothing to him. The point is he broke the rules and had the horse managed to last home, connections would have been rewarded despite breaking the rules of racing - and you cannot separate Haynes from them. So, how about this - every time a jockey is guilty of excessive force, he is banned for 60 days as is the horse and there is an automatic 10lb rise in the horse's handicap mark, with a further 5lb penalty for each excessive smack. And the horse isn't allowed to return to its previous mark for a minimum of six runs.
That won't prevent every time it happens but it will make jockeys think twice.
The horses name was The Ormer Gatherer.
Two things are for certain - it wouldn't have gone off at 200/1 yesterday had connections known it might have run a race and they won't get anything like that price next time!
Edit - just to demonstrate how wrong the stable got The Ormer Gatherer wrong re its ability - the marks of the six horses in front of him that day are now 83-74-73-65-62-45. The other horse rated 45 now went off 150/1 that day as opposed to TOG's 5/2 !!!
It is possible that all three gambles are connected. And if I didn't know that Curley left this mortal coil last year I would suspect that he was behind all three of them!!!
What kind of sport is it where a cheat is permitted to keep the win?
To be fair to the late Big Mac, he was always strongly of that opinion.