Are you boys provoking the anti veggie brigade again?
You know the guys....
The ones who ask you why you are vegetarian at the dinner table then nod and smile as they don't listen to what you are saying, before engaging in some kind of monologue that attempts to tell you why all veggies are wrong....
Remember, those people inhabit charlton life, too
If you are gonna provoke 'em, you KNOW what you are gonna get
As rennet is classed as an animal by-product it isn't strictly speaking banned by vegetarian diets (if you avoid all products and by-products of animal slaughter then you are a vegan, which is far more niche). Of course I'm assuming those who abstain from rennet also avoid other products that (potentially) contain animal by-products, such as glue, tyres, asphalt, fertiliser, medicines and beauty products. I always make sure I get vegan tyres from Halfords.
Are you boys provoking the anti veggie brigade again?
You know the guys....
The ones who ask you why you are vegetarian at the dinner table then nod and smile as they don't listen to what you are saying, before engaging in some kind of monologue that attempts to tell you why all veggies are wrong....
Remember, those people inhabit charlton life, too
If you are gonna provoke 'me, you KNOW what you are gonna get
Me? Deliberately provoking anyone? That simply doesn't happen on here from me. I can't speak for any other veggies who post on CL but I'm certain that Seth et al don't post to be provocative or to seek a reaction. Sometimes though we react to deliberate attempts to undermine and belittle our lifestyle choice of not wanting to partake in the slaughter, consumption and exploitation of other sentient beings. It baffles me how some people just can't accept that. I don't want special treatment at football grounds or life in general, just a tiny bit of respect and consideration would be nice.
As rennet is classed as an animal by-product it isn't strictly speaking banned by vegetarian diets (if you avoid all products and by-products of animal slaughter then you are a vegan, which is far more niche). Of course I'm assuming those who abstain from rennet also avoid other products that (potentially) contain animal by-products, such as glue, tyres, asphalt, fertiliser, medicines and beauty products. I always make sure I get vegan tyres from Halfords.
Are you boys provoking the anti veggie brigade again?
You know the guys....
The ones who ask you why you are vegetarian at the dinner table then nod and smile as they don't listen to what you are saying, before engaging in some kind of monologue that attempts to tell you why all veggies are wrong....
Remember, those people inhabit charlton life, too
If you are gonna provoke 'me, you KNOW what you are gonna get
Me? Deliberately provoking anyone? That simply doesn't happen on here from me. I can't speak for any other veggies who post on CL but I'm certain that Seth et al don't post to be provocative or to seek a reaction. Sometimes though we react to deliberate attempts to undermine and belittle our lifestyle choice of not wanting to partake in the slaughter, consumption and exploitation of other sentient beings. It baffles me how some people just can't accept that. I don't want special treatment at football grounds or life in general, just a tiny bit of respect and consideration would be nice.
BREAKING PIE NEWS BREAKING PIE NEWS I am strict veggie have been since I was 18 now in 40s. I remembered that the club said when they announced the new catering deal that the pies would be made by Hollands pies. I was going to buy one at the Watford match but they had sold out, so I could not check them. When I got home I looked on the Hollands pies website and it says the cheese & onion pie is approved by the vegetarian society so I had one at the Wolves match. My only complaint would be after waiting in a que for ages v Watford to be told "sold out" can't they put tape over or cross out the items on the boards so you don't waste your time queuing for something they don't have in stock.
BREAKING PIE NEWS BREAKING PIE NEWS I am strict veggie have been since I was 18 now in 40s. I remembered that the club said when they announced the new catering deal that the pies would be made by Hollands pies. I was going to buy one at the Watford match but they had sold out, so I could not check them. When I got home I looked on the Hollands pies website and it says the cheese & onion pie is approved by the vegetarian society so I had one at the Wolves match. My only complaint would be after waiting in a que for ages v Watford to be told "sold out" can't they put tape over or cross out the items on the boards so you don't waste your time queuing for something they don't have in stock.
You're probably one of the only CL members who has chosen a name simply because it's an anagram of his favourite pie brand.
I have tried to think of an analogy regarding the OP. If you ordered a bacon roll, and got a beefburger, and the caterer said 'what's the difference, it's all meat isn't it?', you might be excused for expecting said caterer to know the difference between bacon and beef. Perhaps my analogy is clumsy, but if you're in the trade of serving vittles to people you ought to know, or be trained to know, what you're serving...oughtn't you?
I have a better one: If you ordered a bacon roll, and you got a bacon roll, and you said to the caterer- "Is this bacon from free range pigs, raised in the shadows of mount Snowden, fed on a diet of only acorns and unicorn sweat, in a field of lavender and hope, loving massaged every day with a chameleon whilst having it's balls tickled with a phoenix feather?". He would probably say: "Fucked if I know mate, it's a fucking bacon sandwich - you should have eaten before you came out..." .
I responded to a pie advertised as vegetarian. I didn't go to the Valley expecting a gourmet veggie meal but just wanted to know if it is what it was said to be. I know of many instances where 'vegetarian' options in fact have not been so and as I choose not to eat meat or meat by products I just wanted to be sure that what they said was vegetarian was in fact actually that. It's not a lot to ask for and your, and many other, comments on here are frankly just puerile.
I have tried to think of an analogy regarding the OP. If you ordered a bacon roll, and got a beefburger, and the caterer said 'what's the difference, it's all meat isn't it?', you might be excused for expecting said caterer to know the difference between bacon and beef. Perhaps my analogy is clumsy, but if you're in the trade of serving vittles to people you ought to know, or be trained to know, what you're serving...oughtn't you?
I have a better one: If you ordered a bacon roll, and you got a bacon roll, and you said to the caterer- "Is this bacon from free range pigs, raised in the shadows of mount Snowden, fed on a diet of only acorns and unicorn sweat, in a field of lavender and hope, loving massaged every day with a chameleon whilst having it's balls tickled with a phoenix feather?". He would probably say: "Fucked if I know mate, it's a fucking bacon sandwich - you should have eaten before you came out..." .
I responded to a pie advertised as vegetarian. I didn't go to the Valley expecting a gourmet veggie meal but just wanted to know if it is what it was said to be. I know of many instances where 'vegetarian' options in fact have not been so and as I choose not to eat meat or meat by products I just wanted to be sure that what they said was vegetarian was in fact actually that. It's not a lot to ask for and your, and many other, comments on here are frankly just puerile.
I have tried to think of an analogy regarding the OP. If you ordered a bacon roll, and got a beefburger, and the caterer said 'what's the difference, it's all meat isn't it?', you might be excused for expecting said caterer to know the difference between bacon and beef. Perhaps my analogy is clumsy, but if you're in the trade of serving vittles to people you ought to know, or be trained to know, what you're serving...oughtn't you?
I have a better one: If you ordered a bacon roll, and you got a bacon roll, and you said to the caterer- "Is this bacon from free range pigs, raised in the shadows of mount Snowden, fed on a diet of only acorns and unicorn sweat, in a field of lavender and hope, loving massaged every day with a chameleon whilst having it's balls tickled with a phoenix feather?". He would probably say: "Fucked if I know mate, it's a fucking bacon sandwich - you should have eaten before you came out..." .
I responded to a pie advertised as vegetarian. I didn't go to the Valley expecting a gourmet veggie meal but just wanted to know if it is what it was said to be. I know of many instances where 'vegetarian' options in fact have not been so and as I choose not to eat meat or meat by products I just wanted to be sure that what they said was vegetarian was in fact actually that. It's not a lot to ask for and your, and many other, comments on here are frankly just puerile.
A lot of its just banter.
Don't have a cow man.
For vegetarians they seem to have a lot of beef. I just hope they're not telling porkies.
I have tried to think of an analogy regarding the OP. If you ordered a bacon roll, and got a beefburger, and the caterer said 'what's the difference, it's all meat isn't it?', you might be excused for expecting said caterer to know the difference between bacon and beef. Perhaps my analogy is clumsy, but if you're in the trade of serving vittles to people you ought to know, or be trained to know, what you're serving...oughtn't you?
I have a better one: If you ordered a bacon roll, and you got a bacon roll, and you said to the caterer- "Is this bacon from free range pigs, raised in the shadows of mount Snowden, fed on a diet of only acorns and unicorn sweat, in a field of lavender and hope, loving massaged every day with a chameleon whilst having it's balls tickled with a phoenix feather?". He would probably say: "Fucked if I know mate, it's a fucking bacon sandwich - you should have eaten before you came out..." .
I responded to a pie advertised as vegetarian. I didn't go to the Valley expecting a gourmet veggie meal but just wanted to know if it is what it was said to be. I know of many instances where 'vegetarian' options in fact have not been so and as I choose not to eat meat or meat by products I just wanted to be sure that what they said was vegetarian was in fact actually that. It's not a lot to ask for and your, and many other, comments on here are frankly just puerile.
But quite frankly... why did you have to start a new thread? Why couldn't you have added your whinge to the new catering thread which has gone on weeks! You then sparked the whole thing off again hence the "puerile" comments.
I actually agree with Curb_It on this. I had my say on the other thread and tried to stay out of this one but I got lured in. Like a lamb to the slaughter some might say.
I have tried to think of an analogy regarding the OP. If you ordered a bacon roll, and got a beefburger, and the caterer said 'what's the difference, it's all meat isn't it?', you might be excused for expecting said caterer to know the difference between bacon and beef. Perhaps my analogy is clumsy, but if you're in the trade of serving vittles to people you ought to know, or be trained to know, what you're serving...oughtn't you?
I have a better one: If you ordered a bacon roll, and you got a bacon roll, and you said to the caterer- "Is this bacon from free range pigs, raised in the shadows of mount Snowden, fed on a diet of only acorns and unicorn sweat, in a field of lavender and hope, loving massaged every day with a chameleon whilst having it's balls tickled with a phoenix feather?". He would probably say: "Fucked if I know mate, it's a fucking bacon sandwich - you should have eaten before you came out..." .
I responded to a pie advertised as vegetarian. I didn't go to the Valley expecting a gourmet veggie meal but just wanted to know if it is what it was said to be. I know of many instances where 'vegetarian' options in fact have not been so and as I choose not to eat meat or meat by products I just wanted to be sure that what they said was vegetarian was in fact actually that. It's not a lot to ask for and your, and many other, comments on here are frankly just puerile.
It was supposed to be purile. I don't really believe in acorns...
As rennet is classed as an animal by-product it isn't strictly speaking banned by vegetarian diets (if you avoid all products and by-products of animal slaughter then you are a vegan, which is far more niche). Of course I'm assuming those who abstain from rennet also avoid other products that (potentially) contain animal by-products, such as glue, tyres, asphalt, fertiliser, medicines and beauty products. I always make sure I get vegan tyres from Halfords.
No Fiiish, a vegetarian doesn't eat meat or fish. Very simple. Veggies do eat dairy and wear leather.
I thought this thread hadn't been bumped recently enough for my liking.
I suppose I get being a vegetarian if you don't like the whole texture/taste of meat. (My sister doesn't drink alcohol and never has simply because she doesn't like it - makes for a handy designated driver!) But I'm not so sure about the animal suffering side of it. Let's take a field of wheat. What about all those small furry animals (rabbits, field mice, voles, etc, etc) getting sliced up when the combine harvester goes through? Then there's the effects of hedgerow obliteration and pesticides. Do tiny bits of moles end up attached to the cereal grain and get processed into muesli? Not sure if there's any validity to this guy's views, (probably not) but it's an interesting counterpoint. abcnews.go.com/Technology/story?id=97836&page=1 Further googling has dug up a study conducted in England where field mice were fitted with radio collars. The combine only killed one of them during harvest but the removal of the crop and their cover meant that 52% of them were taken out by predators in the week following harvest. (I expect the remaining mice died from starvation anyway.)
And then there's palm oil.....
Frankly the best thing we could do for the planet is to eat human beings. Some kids look like their parents are adopting the foie gras method of rearing anyway.
I suppose I get being a vegetarian if you don't like the whole texture/taste of meat. (My sister doesn't drink alcohol and never has simply because she doesn't like it - makes for a handy designated driver!) But I'm not so sure about the animal suffering side of it. Let's take a field of wheat. What about all those small furry animals (rabbits, field mice, voles, etc, etc) getting sliced up when the combine harvester goes through? Then there's the effects of hedgerow obliteration and pesticides. Do tiny bits of moles end up attached to the cereal grain and get processed into muesli? Not sure if there's any validity to this guy's views, (probably not) but it's an interesting counterpoint. abcnews.go.com/Technology/story?id=97836&page=1 Further googling has dug up a study conducted in England where field mice were fitted with radio collars. The combine only killed one of them during harvest but the removal of the crop and their cover meant that 52% of them were taken out by predators in the week following harvest. (I expect the remaining mice died from starvation anyway.)
And then there's palm oil.....
Frankly the best thing we could do for the planet is to eat human beings. Some kids look like their parents are adopting the foie gras method of rearing anyway.
How does sis know she doesn't like alcohol if she has never tried it? :-D
Frankly the best thing we could do for the planet is to eat human beings. Some kids look like their parents are adopting the foie gras method of rearing anyway.
Frankly the best thing we could do for the planet is to eat human beings. Some kids look like their parents are adopting the foie gras method of rearing anyway.
Would veggies only be allowed to eat Swedes?
I've seen a few Swedes on the internet that I'd definitely have a munch on.
There would be no cows and no sheep in this country if everyone was vegetarian. They have only been saved from extinction because we eat them.
Ah, this old chestnut.
It's true that the number of animals would fall as farmers breed fewer and fewer animals as the years go by. Farmed animals live a controlled, distorted life, often filled with pain and fear. The vast majority of farmed animals are kept in indoor units where they never see the light of day. Those that are kept outside are only kept alive for a fraction of their natural lifespans before being slaughtered for meat. All farmed animals are born to die at man's command - a disgusting idea. Also some breeds have been so changed from their natural ancestor that it would be kinder to let them die out. For example, broiler chickens and turkeys bred for meat are often so obese that they can barely walk and suffer from crippling leg disorders. However we could set up large nature reserves for the more traditional (now rare) breeds that haven't been so changed.
There would be much more land available for reserves because most of it is used to grow crops for fattening animals at present. Also, there would be more space for forests and woods and other wildlife reservations where genuinely wild British species of animals and plants could flourish.
Many people forget that all farmed animals have been bred from wild animals - and that there natural ancestors need preserving.
In a vegetarian world animals would not be kept for profit, exploitation and greed but would be allowed to exist in their natural state and live their life in freedom.
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This is all whey too confusing.
Are you boys provoking the anti veggie brigade again?
You know the guys....
The ones who ask you why you are vegetarian at the dinner table then nod and smile as they don't listen to what you are saying, before engaging in some kind of monologue that attempts to tell you why all veggies are wrong....
Remember, those people inhabit charlton life, too
If you are gonna provoke 'em, you KNOW what you are gonna get
Me? Deliberately provoking anyone? That simply doesn't happen on here from me. I can't speak for any other veggies who post on CL but I'm certain that Seth et al don't post to be provocative or to seek a reaction. Sometimes though we react to deliberate attempts to undermine and belittle our lifestyle choice of not wanting to partake in the slaughter, consumption and exploitation of other sentient beings. It baffles me how some people just can't accept that. I don't want special treatment at football grounds or life in general, just a tiny bit of respect and consideration would be nice.
I am strict veggie have been since I was 18 now in 40s. I remembered that the club said when they announced the new catering deal that the pies would be made by Hollands pies. I was going to buy one at the Watford match but they had sold out, so I could not check them. When I got home I looked on the Hollands pies website and it says the cheese & onion pie is approved by the vegetarian society so I had one at the Wolves match. My only complaint would be after waiting in a que for ages v Watford to be told "sold out" can't they put tape over or cross out the items on the boards so you don't waste your time queuing for something they don't have in stock.
I responded to a pie advertised as vegetarian. I didn't go to the Valley expecting a gourmet veggie meal but just wanted to know if it is what it was said to be. I know of many instances where 'vegetarian' options in fact have not been so and as I choose not to eat meat or meat by products I just wanted to be sure that what they said was vegetarian was in fact actually that.
It's not a lot to ask for and your, and many other, comments on here are frankly just puerile.
Don't have a cow man.
I thought this thread hadn't been bumped recently enough for my liking.
But I'm not so sure about the animal suffering side of it. Let's take a field of wheat. What about all those small furry animals (rabbits, field mice, voles, etc, etc) getting sliced up when the combine harvester goes through? Then there's the effects of hedgerow obliteration and pesticides.
Do tiny bits of moles end up attached to the cereal grain and get processed into muesli?
Not sure if there's any validity to this guy's views, (probably not) but it's an interesting counterpoint.
abcnews.go.com/Technology/story?id=97836&page=1
Further googling has dug up a study conducted in England where field mice were fitted with radio collars. The combine only killed one of them during harvest but the removal of the crop and their cover meant that 52% of them were taken out by predators in the week following harvest. (I expect the remaining mice died from starvation anyway.)
And then there's palm oil.....
Frankly the best thing we could do for the planet is to eat human beings. Some kids look like their parents are adopting the foie gras method of rearing anyway.
Certainly there would be a lost less cows and sheep and chickens and pigs but as they are breed to be killed and/or farmed so what?
Also we don't eat cats or dogs or horses (unless you shop in Tesco) in this country but there are still lots of them around.
I've seen a few Swedes on the internet that I'd definitely have a munch on.
Ah, this old chestnut.
It's true that the number of animals would fall as farmers breed fewer and fewer animals as the years go by. Farmed animals live a controlled, distorted life, often filled with pain and fear. The vast majority of farmed animals are kept in indoor units where they never see the light of day. Those that are kept outside are only kept alive for a fraction of their natural lifespans before being slaughtered for meat. All farmed animals are born to die at man's command - a disgusting idea. Also some breeds have been so changed from their natural ancestor that it would be kinder to let them die out. For example, broiler chickens and turkeys bred for meat are often so obese that they can barely walk and suffer from crippling leg disorders. However we could set up large nature reserves for the more traditional (now rare) breeds that haven't been so changed.
There would be much more land available for reserves because most of it is used to grow crops for fattening animals at present. Also, there would be more space for forests and woods and other wildlife reservations where genuinely wild British species of animals and plants could flourish.
Many people forget that all farmed animals have been bred from wild animals - and that there natural ancestors need preserving.
In a vegetarian world animals would not be kept for profit, exploitation and greed but would be allowed to exist in their natural state and live their life in freedom.