In a vegetarian world animals would not be kept for profit, exploitation and greed but would be allowed to exist in their natural state and live their life in freedom."
This is nothing to do with this thread. But as you've started it...
Anything else your fairy godmother will attend to?
When the animals started to eat up all your vegetables and pets would you not have to fence them in?
Mankind has distorted the "natural state" over millennia and Mankind is only now trying to balance things up through conservation. You cannot be a party to conservation because it means animals have to be culled because the natural food chains have been destroyed and we are forced to intervene to maintain a sustainable balance and bio diversity. Your sentiments are with the numpties who thought like you and released mink into the wild.
Mink cause havoc because they have no predators. In your fairy tale world predation is a wicked thing to do, in the real world every living creature predates on another life form. Nature does not distinguish between life that has legs and moves or a vegetable, both are sources of the finite energy which exists on the planet released only by consuming another life form. The next step for vegetarians after becoming vegan is only to eat rocks and nature can take over after that.
Applying your beliefs to humans also makes you an avid supporter of euthanasia.
Be a vegetarian and shut the f*ck up trying to justify it by presenting meat eating as a crime.
Where have I said meat eating is a crime? If you can directly quote me as saying that then I will apologise and bow out. I only posted what I did as a direct reply to someone else so maybe you should have a word with Chizz for deviating from the subject in hand. Why you have to be abusive by telling me, and others who choose not to participate in the degradation of animals to 'shut the fuck up' is beyond me but I tell you what pal, I will never 'shut the fuck up'. Especially after being told to by an arrogant prick like yourself.
Just to be a bit philosophical about things Dippenhall says: 'Mankind has distorted the "natural state" over millennia'. One way of looking at it, is that mankind itself is a 'natural' species, and therefore everything mankind gets up to is itself nature at work.
To say that mankind has distorted stuff could be akin to a beaver building a dam and affecting the flow of a river. It would be possible to say that a beaver has distorted the "natural state" over millennia. A man and a beaver are both natural things on the planet doing their thing. It is unlikely that a beaver will now try to balance things up to maintain diversity and so forth, but man is described as attempting to do so (for good reason in my opinion btw).
So why a man and not a beaver? It is because nature has imbued mankind with the ability to think at higher cognitive levels than a beaver, so mankind then wrestles with the nature of the 'natural', and frets about conservation and suchlike stuff. The beaver goes on his merry way.
So to vegetarianism, it is not to turn your back on nature, but to exercise your natural ability to think about stuff and decide to be a veggie. We have the ability to think about moral philosophy, big bang theories, and muse at what might happen to Charlton this season. If a vegetarian has exercised their thinking ability and come to a decision to not eat meat or fish and variants of that stance, then criticising a vegetarian is like criticising the wind or the sea. because the idea of active vegetarianism is born of mankind, a natural being.
The debate however could get interesting if we want to consider the inevitable nuclear Armageddon, or the decay of the planet, as basically natural phenomena created by mankind, and we have to simply shrug and deal with it.
goes from bad to worse in west upper. It is truly embarrassing. First pint (John Smiths), so bad I had to change it and did get it changed despite the server saying it was OK. Was then given a three quarter pint of Fosters topped up with foam. Second pint. Despite no-ne in queue took 8 minutes to get 3 pints. Was poured out of bottles and was warm.
I dropped my super-large hot dog (yes I was late for kick-off) on the floor at the Bolton game and the very nice young woman serving in the East Stand offered me a new one.
Still tasted like a raw penis but it was a nice gesture in the finest traditions of this great club.
I dropped my super-large hot dog (yes I was late for kick-off) on the floor at the Bolton game and the very nice young woman serving in the East Stand offered me a new one.
Is that a euphemism? Oh, I see below, it was!
Still tasted like a raw penis but it was a nice gesture in the finest traditions of this great club.
'Is that a euphemism?', no wait, 'is that what she said?'
Food and service in the Greenwich Suite was very good today. Choice of Lamb Shank or Sea Bass for the main course with options for dessert. Soup at half and full-time was also excellent apparently.
Food and service in the Greenwich Suite was very good today. Choice of Lamb Shank or Sea Bass for the main course with options for dessert. Soup at half and full-time was also excellent apparently.
I dropped my super-large hot dog (yes I was late for kick-off) on the floor at the Bolton game and the very nice young woman serving in the East Stand offered me a new one.
Still tasted like a raw penis but it was a nice gesture in the finest traditions of this great club.
Food and service in the Greenwich Suite was very good today. Choice of Lamb Shank or Sea Bass for the main course with options for dessert. Soup at half and full-time was also excellent apparently.
I dropped my super-large hot dog (yes I was late for kick-off) on the floor at the Bolton game and the very nice young woman serving in the East Stand offered me a new one.
Still tasted like a raw penis but it was a nice gesture in the finest traditions of this great club.
goes from bad to worse in west upper. It is truly embarrassing. First pint (John Smiths), so bad I had to change it and did get it changed despite the server saying it was OK. Was then given a three quarter pint of Fosters topped up with foam. Second pint. Despite no-ne in queue took 8 minutes to get 3 pints. Was poured out of bottles and was warm.
Funny that, because I find that pubs serve up lousy football.
I know - should we let pubs sell us the beer & football clubs sell us the football.
I've seen some great football in pubs - wide screen, high def,on demand, wide choice - the works. It's not that hard to do it the other way round, as it goes.
I've seen some great football in pubs - wide screen, high def,on demand, wide choice - the works. It's not that hard to do it the other way round, as it goes.
You mean narrow screen, low def, random surprise and no choice?
Tried my first ever "Hollands" pie, It said "peppered steak" and it was peppered steak. I will have another. Food and effort on the food front equally importantly is certainly better this season.
My boy ordered a peppered steak and after a mouthful realised it was the Balti, took it back, no fuss. The staff are nice enough but just lack training.
Did anyone else notice the stairs to the North upper hadn't been swept since the last home game?
Curate's eggs as far as I'm concerned. The guys in the Millennium Suite were really helpful, as were the stewards. The food isn't to our taste which is just as well as the prices are way OTT. Drinks wise, it takes ages to get served plus I was given a G&T which they had made with soda water. At these ludicrous prices, they ought to have bar staff who know what they are doing! But they do make mistakes with a big smile which is an improvement.
Curate's eggs as far as I'm concerned. The guys in the Millennium Suite were really helpful, as were the stewards. The food isn't to our taste which is just as well as the prices are way OTT. Drinks wise, it takes ages to get served plus I was given a G&T which they had made with soda water. At these ludicrous prices, they ought to have bar staff who know what they are doing! But they do make mistakes with a big smile which is an improvement.
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This is nothing to do with this thread. But as you've started it...
Anything else your fairy godmother will attend to?
When the animals started to eat up all your vegetables and pets would you not have to fence them in?
Mankind has distorted the "natural state" over millennia and Mankind is only now trying to balance things up through conservation. You cannot be a party to conservation because it means animals have to be culled because the natural food chains have been destroyed and we are forced to intervene to maintain a sustainable balance and bio diversity. Your sentiments are with the numpties who thought like you and released mink into the wild.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/earthcomment/country-diary/8810471/Mink-devastate-our-native-wildlife.html
Mink cause havoc because they have no predators. In your fairy tale world predation is a wicked thing to do, in the real world every living creature predates on another life form. Nature does not distinguish between life that has legs and moves or a vegetable, both are sources of the finite energy which exists on the planet released only by consuming another life form. The next step for vegetarians after becoming vegan is only to eat rocks and nature can take over after that.
Applying your beliefs to humans also makes you an avid supporter of euthanasia.
Be a vegetarian and shut the f*ck up trying to justify it by presenting meat eating as a crime.
One way of looking at it, is that mankind itself is a 'natural' species, and therefore everything mankind gets up to is itself nature at work.
To say that mankind has distorted stuff could be akin to a beaver building a dam and affecting the flow of a river. It would be possible to say that a beaver has distorted the "natural state" over millennia. A man and a beaver are both natural things on the planet doing their thing. It is unlikely that a beaver will now try to balance things up to maintain diversity and so forth, but man is described as attempting to do so (for good reason in my opinion btw).
So why a man and not a beaver? It is because nature has imbued mankind with the ability to think at higher cognitive levels than a beaver, so mankind then wrestles with the nature of the 'natural', and frets about conservation and suchlike stuff. The beaver goes on his merry way.
So to vegetarianism, it is not to turn your back on nature, but to exercise your natural ability to think about stuff and decide to be a veggie. We have the ability to think about moral philosophy, big bang theories, and muse at what might happen to Charlton this season. If a vegetarian has exercised their thinking ability and come to a decision to not eat meat or fish and variants of that stance, then criticising a vegetarian is like criticising the wind or the sea. because the idea of active vegetarianism is born of mankind, a natural being.
The debate however could get interesting if we want to consider the inevitable nuclear Armageddon, or the decay of the planet, as basically natural phenomena created by mankind, and we have to simply shrug and deal with it.
What about the cheese and onion slice ?
Heard absolutely diddly back.
Says a lot.
First pint (John Smiths), so bad I had to change it and did get it changed despite the server saying it was OK. Was then given a three quarter pint of Fosters topped up with foam.
Second pint. Despite no-ne in queue took 8 minutes to get 3 pints. Was poured out of bottles and was warm.
At least the ladies serving were polite and friendly.
I dropped my super-large hot dog (yes I was late for kick-off) on the floor at the Bolton game and the very nice young woman serving in the East Stand offered me a new one.
Still tasted like a raw penis but it was a nice gesture in the finest traditions of this great club.
I know - should we let pubs sell us the beer & football clubs sell us the football.
It's not that hard to do it the other way round, as it goes.
Did anyone else notice the stairs to the North upper hadn't been swept since the last home game?
Not a Wendies fan is he?
Only I think I saw his dad counting goals yesterday.