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Just before this thread is buried at sea, Church should be inspired by Simon Francis who was never rated by some cafc fans but scored today and another good cross which resulted in Yann's goal. also Mccormack who scored today (he was poor against us) and is a regular for Brentford.
No debate. A call for reason. Wrong forum. Mods please sink.
Just before this thread is buried at sea, Church should be inspired by Simon Francis who was never rated by some cafc fans but scored today and another good cross which resulted in Yann's goal. also Mccormack who scored today (he was poor against us) and is a regular for Brentford.
I do feel as though he gets way to much abuse and think he will come good if given another chance which doesn't look to good by the last couple teams Peeters has selected.He certainly wasn't to blame for last seasons shambles which most seem to blame him for,have seen far worse players in a Charlton shirt who didn't get half as much stick.
Agree with killer kish, I too have seen far worse play for us, and not given the stick Church is. At least he gives 100% effort, which is a quality I both admire and expect. Players who have more talent, but don't put in the effort annoy me far more than Church.
No, he wasn't solely to blame for last seasons poor campaign, but he, along with some others was. The others don't seem to get mentioned so much simply because we've replaced them, whereas we're still light on forwards. Let's face it, the only reason Church is here is because we were silly enough to give him a 2 year deal, otherwise he would have been out the door with the rest of them in the summer..............
There are no passengers with big Bob. He has analysed the squad and come to the same conclusions we all made based on the whole of last season. Church is not good enough at Championship level.
He clearly thinks the same of Harriot at this stage of his development. Lot to like and I believe he will only get in players now who can play for us immediately. Very promising,
In 5-10 years time when Charlton Life is compiling its "worst XI", Church will almost certainly be in the mix.
The whole "he gives 100% thing" doesn't really mean a lot. All players should be expected to give that as a pre-requisite - its not the sort of thing you should get a pat on the back for if there is no end product. In Sunday league or in kids' football maybe, but not at a professional level in the 6th biggest league in the world.
Plus, one of the reasons he sprints about like a mad man for 90 minutes of a game is because his first touch is awful, he can't win anything in the air and therefore is always having to chase.
As a striker he has scored 3 goals in over 40 league games. Can you tell me of a striker we have had with a worse goal ratio than that in the past 5 years?
As a striker he has scored 3 goals in over 40 league games. Can you tell me of a striker we have had with a worse goal ratio than that in the past 5 years?
Church is not one of the worst over the last 5 years, let alone of all time.
That all depends what you are comparing him against and over what number of games because I reckon that B W-P and Kermy are the only strikers who have started as many games as Churchy for us in the last five years.
I know what you mean @AddickAddict and don't get me wrong I think Church is ineffective. But a player who at one point fans were singing for because he was busy and tried to make things happen, is better than 1.5 million of useless waste who could do nothing right.
Not over the past three years but worst players than Church are the following. Barry Endean, Dick Plumb, Izale McLeod, Chris Dickson, Pawel Abbott.
I'm sorry Dick but I am always going to defend Chris Dickson. Parky used to put Tamer Tuna on the bench in preference to Dicko even though he never had any intention whatsoever of bringing him on.
Tamer was last heard of playing for Erith whereas Dicko went on to play in the Champions League.
Mind you, Churchy is an International so I reckon that trumps even Dicko.
No player giving 100% deserves abuse, but giving a realistic assessment of abilities displayed is not abuse. Church is probably as good as very many journeymen strikers who move around in the lower divisions who generally have a couple of good attributes rather than the multiple skills of touch, pace, power, heading, shooting etc. of top strikers. Church's skills are a bit of height, moderate pace, good energy and a decent pass, but hasn't displayed much else from what I have seen. There is possibly something else there that we haven't seen that might emerge given a new challenge, he must have shown significant promise in earlier times, so a loan can't be a bad option for his own benefit (if we have a no worse replacement - Ahearne-Grant?)
As a striker he has scored 3 goals in over 40 league games. Can you tell me of a striker we have had with a worse goal ratio than that in the past 5 years?
Pawell Abbott.
1 in 17 according to Wiki.
I'd love to know what game that was in. I should be able to remember if it was his only goal
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also Mccormack who scored today (he was poor against us) and is a regular for Brentford.
There could be a haven for you, somewhere ?
But peeters sees this guys everyday in training so there is something we are not seeing and that's why he's not in match day squads..
He clearly thinks the same of Harriot at this stage of his development. Lot to like and I believe he will only get in players now who can play for us immediately. Very promising,
A nice cold place to go if you love a bit of bible.
Story in @SthLondonPress tomorrow - Charlton head coach Bob Peeters has told @churchy18 he can go out on loan.
Or, Churchy could be making way for a major loan signing. Someone like Lambert from Liverpool who would be the ideal foil for Igor ;-)
The whole "he gives 100% thing" doesn't really mean a lot. All players should be expected to give that as a pre-requisite - its not the sort of thing you should get a pat on the back for if there is no end product. In Sunday league or in kids' football maybe, but not at a professional level in the 6th biggest league in the world.
Plus, one of the reasons he sprints about like a mad man for 90 minutes of a game is because his first touch is awful, he can't win anything in the air and therefore is always having to chase.
Sorry for spoiling your Churchy love in.
Mike Small.
Mark McCammonn
Tresor Kandol
I rest my case.
1 in 17 according to Wiki.
Church has had over 40 league games, and only managed one goal more.
I know what you mean @AddickAddict and don't get me wrong I think Church is ineffective. But a player who at one point fans were singing for because he was busy and tried to make things happen, is better than 1.5 million of useless waste who could do nothing right.
1 in 17.
Mooney, Nouble, Abbott were all hopeless and showed less ability than Church.
Tamer was last heard of playing for Erith whereas Dicko went on to play in the Champions League.
Mind you, Churchy is an International so I reckon that trumps even Dicko.
Edit - I forgot. Dicko is an International too.