Just found this, the full documentary he did for BBC3 if anyone missed it I advise you watch it, probably one of the best and most emotional things I have seen
"This was the perfect answer - it made everyone happy and ticked every box"
What about the person driving the lorry ?
His livelihood ? His family ? His peace of mind ?
What if he had swerved and hit something / somebody else ?
Sorry CC, no respect from me for this.
While I don't blame you for thinking this way, we must remember that CC was not in his right mine to consider ending it all, so probably never gave a thought to anything else, like the lorry driver. It was wrong, but unless we've been there, how can we understand how desperate CC was?
"This was the perfect answer - it made everyone happy and ticked every box"
What about the person driving the lorry ?
His livelihood ? His family ? His peace of mind ?
What if he had swerved and hit something / somebody else ?
Sorry CC, no respect from me for this.
While I don't blame you for thinking this way, we must remember that CC was not in his right mine to consider ending it all, so probably never gave a thought to anything else, like the lorry driver. It was wrong, but unless we've been there, how can we understand how desperate CC was?
Reading the book on Robert Enke completely changed my views on depression. It's more powerful than most can understand. Tragic story.
"This was the perfect answer - it made everyone happy and ticked every box"
What about the person driving the lorry ?
His livelihood ? His family ? His peace of mind ?
What if he had swerved and hit something / somebody else ?
Sorry CC, no respect from me for this.
I don't think its our place to feel sorry for him or to judge him, but to just try and understand why he got that low he would want to end his life without rational thinking for his family. Depression is a shocker.
A mealy mouthed apology to the lorry driver, and no consideration for a train driver, railway staff or emergency services that would have had to deal with the aftermath (as they did also on the A64) and God forbid hanging himself at York city's ground where a member of staff or even a young trainee/apprentice could have found him.
Personal experience of depression, so I know how dark it can get, but if he was that determined why not overdose at home so his wife found him and that way less people traumatised rather than random strangers.
Not sure if there has been an update on this and there are so many threads about matters closer to home.
Former Burnley defender Clarke Carlisle was attempting to take his own life when he was hit by a lorry in December, he has revealed. Carlisle told the Sun newspaper he had been left severely depressed by the end of his football career, financial problems and the loss of a TV punditry role. The 35-year-old left hospital on 30 January, six weeks after being struck in North Yorkshire. "This was my lowest point," he said. Read on
Not sure if there has been an update on this and there are so many threads about matters closer to home.
Former Burnley defender Clarke Carlisle was attempting to take his own life when he was hit by a lorry in December, he has revealed. Carlisle told the Sun newspaper he had been left severely depressed by the end of his football career, financial problems and the loss of a TV punditry role. The 35-year-old left hospital on 30 January, six weeks after being struck in North Yorkshire. "This was my lowest point," he said. Read on
brought on by his gambling & drinking, and alleged theft of Ralf Littles money using his cash card
A mealy mouthed apology to the lorry driver, and no consideration for a train driver, railway staff or emergency services that would have had to deal with the aftermath (as they did also on the A64) and God forbid hanging himself at York city's ground where a member of staff or even a young trainee/apprentice could have found him.
Personal experience of depression, so I know how dark it can get, but if he was that determined why not overdose at home so his wife found him and that way less people traumatised rather than random strangers.
Because he didn't want to traumatise the people he loved most? Speaking from personal experience, I've been right up to that point where one step makes that decision.
Stepping forward would have potentially been the end.
Stepping back that day (so glad I did) was either bravery to keep fighting or cowardice that saved my life and all my family from being shamed and hurt by me taking my own life.
Yes we know how dark it can get, but being he took that step forward only he knows just how much he wanted to end it all. His family will still be hurting because he felt it was that bad that he attempted almost successfully to take his life.
They would have been hurting even more had he been successful.
Would he want to traumatise them further? Would he have wanted them to think it was a tragic accident?
Discussion on depression this morning on 5Live with ex cricketer Graham Fowler .. it seems that until you've had clinical depression yourself, you simply cannot comprehend what it means to 'be depressed' .. get well again Clarke Carlisle .. it's a long hard road and the road may never end
I've witnessed it first hand as a sufferer. I've never had suicidal thoughts but I know several people that have. I know it's an illness and it never leaves you for good - it's always there lurking and playing tricks on you. Twisting things.
For someone like CC I dare say his demons are worse because he is the cause of his issues - either as a result of gambling or drinking he has lost millions of pounds and is now feeling guilty, as well as depressed.
But I also take on board what Ralf Little says. I didn't go around driving whilst drunk (numerous times). I didn't drag anyone else into it aside from my wife (who was, and still is, awesome). Whilst calling his behaviour "selfish" may seem harsh - it is true. His idea of an easy win DID have consequences. Thankfully nobody died but there will be many people who will be scarred by his actions - not least that lorry driver.
It must be difficult to have that much money and not necessarily have a reliable support network - just being surrounded by hangers-on who want nothing more than a free ride. CC is often lauded as the most intelligent footballer out there and that's what will surprise many people about this situation - it can affect anyone. Young, old, educated or not. It's a horrible illness and extremely difficult to quantify its impact.
No idea if I have clarified anything for anyone there but just wanted to get some things off my chest really
Depression is depression and anyone that is going through an act of ending their life is only thinkin about number 1, as sad as that is.
I dont know he guy personally, of course, but hes obviously going through a hard time, for whatever reason that may be.
I'd like to think people CAN BE stronger in that situation, but the illness is quite clearly a very dark place that not many people will completely understand.
One of my Dads drinking buddies topped himself by walking in front of a van on the A12 about ten years ago. The van driver, although totally blameless in the eyes of the law will still have the death of another human being on his conscience. It is a selfish act beyond comprehension to most people, but I temper this thought by assuming that the sufferer didn't want depression and consequently they cannot really be held responsible.
A mealy mouthed apology to the lorry driver, and no consideration for a train driver, railway staff or emergency services that would have had to deal with the aftermath (as they did also on the A64) and God forbid hanging himself at York city's ground where a member of staff or even a young trainee/apprentice could have found him.
Personal experience of depression, so I know how dark it can get, but if he was that determined why not overdose at home so his wife found him and that way less people traumatised rather than random strangers.
Got kids hasn't he? A customer of mine decided to top himself, went into his garden and blew his brains out. He was found by his 5 year old in his back garden.
There is no good way to top yourself, it is tragic if anyone does it or attempts it. I have sympathy with all involved from CC to his family and the van driver.
I have suffered from anxiety on a number of levels for a good few years. I have never been in a situation where I could imagine wanting to take my own life and cant imagine what must have been going through his mind.
Our company have a chosen charity every year - and in 2015 it is MIND. Their current initiative is Time to Change - in that we need to break down the stigma around mental health and get people talking more.
As someone who knows what it is like to a certain extent, I am well aware that talking DOES help.
I am sure that there will be people on this board reading this with mental health issues that nobody knows about.
Don't bottle it up, and keep it in. Get yourself some help. And if you really feel that you don't have anyone to talk to - then PM me. I am most certainly not a qualified psychiatrist and a stranger in many ways. But I will certainly listen. And sometimes that is enough to get back on the road.
A mealy mouthed apology to the lorry driver, and no consideration for a train driver, railway staff or emergency services that would have had to deal with the aftermath (as they did also on the A64) and God forbid hanging himself at York city's ground where a member of staff or even a young trainee/apprentice could have found him.
Personal experience of depression, so I know how dark it can get, but if he was that determined why not overdose at home so his wife found him and that way less people traumatised rather than random strangers.
If I understand the sequence correctly, he wasn't sober when it happened so wasn't thinking in such logical terms as a result of that as well as the effects of depression.
I have suffered from anxiety on a number of levels for a good few years. I have never been in a situation where I could imagine wanting to take my own life and cant imagine what must have been going through his mind.
Our company have a chosen charity every year - and in 2015 it is MIND. Their current initiative is Time to Change - in that we need to break down the stigma around mental health and get people talking more.
As someone who knows what it is like to a certain extent, I am well aware that talking DOES help.
I am sure that there will be people on this board reading this with mental health issues that nobody knows about.
Don't bottle it up, and keep it in. Get yourself some help. And if you really feel that you don't have anyone to talk to - then PM me. I am most certainly not a qualified psychiatrist and a stranger in many ways. But I will certainly listen. And sometimes that is enough to get back on the road.
Excellent post Damo.
I've commented previously on my depression (thankfully I've not had it for a long time now) and anxiety/panic attacks (something I'll always have to live with & find ways to cope with).
I've witnessed it first hand as a sufferer. I've never had suicidal thoughts but I know several people that have. I know it's an illness and it never leaves you for good - it's always there lurking and playing tricks on you. Twisting things.
For someone like CC I dare say his demons are worse because he is the cause of his issues - either as a result of gambling or drinking he has lost millions of pounds and is now feeling guilty, as well as depressed.
But I also take on board what Ralf Little says. I didn't go around driving whilst drunk (numerous times). I didn't drag anyone else into it aside from my wife (who was, and still is, awesome). Whilst calling his behaviour "selfish" may seem harsh - it is true. His idea of an easy win DID have consequences. Thankfully nobody died but there will be many people who will be scarred by his actions - not least that lorry driver.
It must be difficult to have that much money and not necessarily have a reliable support network - just being surrounded by hangers-on who want nothing more than a free ride. CC is often lauded as the most intelligent footballer out there and that's what will surprise many people about this situation - it can affect anyone. Young, old, educated or not. It's a horrible illness and extremely difficult to quantify its impact.
No idea if I have clarified anything for anyone there but just wanted to get some things off my chest really
It's so hard to understand depression if you've not suffered it yourself. One thing that might help people appreciate what it can be like a little is to imagine the complete loss of any hope for the now or the future. That simple fact alone influences every decision you make, small to big. It's all going to go wrong anyway, so there's nothing to hinder any thing - drink driving, suicide... and of course, the people you love would be better off if you weren't around.
The hard truth is that suicide is never victimless for those who survive them. Whether it's the lorry driver, the train driver, the person who finds you hanging in your garage, or lying in bed with your empty pill bottle, the family that love you - there are always those who will suffer as a result. The decision is not so much selfish as one made alone, introspective, self-absorbed because nothing matters outside that any more.
That's why the urging of sufferers to 'think of how upset so and so will feel' has no effect whatsoever. Reassuring is never harmful, but it's also rarely a resolution for someone suffering this illness. I can hear in Carlisle's own words the sense of worthlessness and lack of hope that engulfed him. His family will be telling him they love him, but it didn't change how he felt about his own situation because it couldn't - he was ill.
Carlisle will have to live with the decisions he makes. Ralf Little is right that depression shouldn't excuse wrong doing, but it is a reason - and that fact in itself should evoke a little more empathy for an intelligent and likeable man clearly wrestling with his own demons. Of the two, Carlisle might be self-absorbed - but Ralf Little is being somewhat self-serving. He could just have stayed silent.
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Edit: "charged with a drink-driving offence of failing to provide a sample"
What about the person driving the lorry ?
His livelihood ? His family ? His peace of mind ?
What if he had swerved and hit something / somebody else ?
Sorry CC, no respect from me for this.
Personal experience of depression, so I know how dark it can get, but if he was that determined why not overdose at home so his wife found him and that way less people traumatised rather than random strangers.
Former Burnley defender Clarke Carlisle was attempting to take his own life when he was hit by a lorry in December, he has revealed.
Carlisle told the Sun newspaper he had been left severely depressed by the end of his football career, financial problems and the loss of a TV punditry role.
The 35-year-old left hospital on 30 January, six weeks after being struck in North Yorkshire.
"This was my lowest point," he said. Read on
http://www.twitlonger.com/show/n_1skfskk
Stepping forward would have potentially been the end.
Stepping back that day (so glad I did) was either bravery to keep fighting or cowardice that saved my life and all my family from being shamed and hurt by me taking my own life.
Yes we know how dark it can get, but being he took that step forward only he knows just how much he wanted to end it all. His family will still be hurting because he felt it was that bad that he attempted almost successfully to take his life.
They would have been hurting even more had he been successful.
Would he want to traumatise them further? Would he have wanted them to think it was a tragic accident?
For someone like CC I dare say his demons are worse because he is the cause of his issues - either as a result of gambling or drinking he has lost millions of pounds and is now feeling guilty, as well as depressed.
But I also take on board what Ralf Little says. I didn't go around driving whilst drunk (numerous times). I didn't drag anyone else into it aside from my wife (who was, and still is, awesome). Whilst calling his behaviour "selfish" may seem harsh - it is true. His idea of an easy win DID have consequences. Thankfully nobody died but there will be many people who will be scarred by his actions - not least that lorry driver.
It must be difficult to have that much money and not necessarily have a reliable support network - just being surrounded by hangers-on who want nothing more than a free ride. CC is often lauded as the most intelligent footballer out there and that's what will surprise many people about this situation - it can affect anyone. Young, old, educated or not. It's a horrible illness and extremely difficult to quantify its impact.
No idea if I have clarified anything for anyone there but just wanted to get some things off my chest really
I dont know he guy personally, of course, but hes obviously going through a hard time, for whatever reason that may be.
I'd like to think people CAN BE stronger in that situation, but the illness is quite clearly a very dark place that not many people will completely understand.
There is no good way to top yourself, it is tragic if anyone does it or attempts it. I have sympathy with all involved from CC to his family and the van driver.
Our company have a chosen charity every year - and in 2015 it is MIND. Their current initiative is Time to Change - in that we need to break down the stigma around mental health and get people talking more.
As someone who knows what it is like to a certain extent, I am well aware that talking DOES help.
I am sure that there will be people on this board reading this with mental health issues that nobody knows about.
Don't bottle it up, and keep it in. Get yourself some help. And if you really feel that you don't have anyone to talk to - then PM me. I am most certainly not a qualified psychiatrist and a stranger in many ways. But I will certainly listen. And sometimes that is enough to get back on the road.
I've commented previously on my depression (thankfully I've not had it for a long time now) and anxiety/panic attacks (something I'll always have to live with & find ways to cope with).
Talking to friends and family massively helps.
The hard truth is that suicide is never victimless for those who survive them. Whether it's the lorry driver, the train driver, the person who finds you hanging in your garage, or lying in bed with your empty pill bottle, the family that love you - there are always those who will suffer as a result. The decision is not so much selfish as one made alone, introspective, self-absorbed because nothing matters outside that any more.
That's why the urging of sufferers to 'think of how upset so and so will feel' has no effect whatsoever. Reassuring is never harmful, but it's also rarely a resolution for someone suffering this illness. I can hear in Carlisle's own words the sense of worthlessness and lack of hope that engulfed him. His family will be telling him they love him, but it didn't change how he felt about his own situation because it couldn't - he was ill.
Carlisle will have to live with the decisions he makes. Ralf Little is right that depression shouldn't excuse wrong doing, but it is a reason - and that fact in itself should evoke a little more empathy for an intelligent and likeable man clearly wrestling with his own demons. Of the two, Carlisle might be self-absorbed - but Ralf Little is being somewhat self-serving. He could just have stayed silent.