Good job we equalised before Rotherham scored, because anybody who thought Rotherham wouldn't score in that game was deluded.
Not that they battered us, but Rotherham looked like an actual team. Yes they were limited, but they were honest and well organized, well managed with good substitutions and absolutely deserved their point, and if they had won not many people would have come away surprised. We could even say that was a point gained, or a point saved on our part.
But guys, it was chite and once I've posted this I will read the other posts to see if anybody found any redeeming features in that.
For the game, both teams hit the woodwork first half, Dimi made a great save second half, and there was a goal chalked off for Rotherham second half, combined with an almighty call for a penalty, which I didn't see myself. We created next to nothing, their keeper had no work of any consequence to do throughout the game. Indeed talking of penalties, Bikey got away with a clear push on Derbyshire in the fifth minute, and our penalty shout was a ball smacked into the blokes face, no penalty.
If Rotherham had taken the lead they would definitely have won that game.
As for our players, well the new keeper was OK, Solly very good, TBH OK, Bikey better than of late, and his boots matched, Wiggy cleared one off the line second half, nearly forgot about that.
The centre of midfield, with Yoni and the new Tottenham bloke was useless, Cousins (our best player) was involved, and Johan was fits and starts as usual. The tactic of Dimi booting it long (which looked like one of two Luzon/Duchatelet's innovations) to Igor and Callum to win in the air was a joke, and the other 'innovation' was we played a straight 442.
Watt came on, inexplicably for Igor as we needed a goal from somewhere, and taking off a goalscorer made no sense, and Watt did one good turn but that was about it, and Lepoint shielded the ball well in a crowded area which led to Jordan's goal, but I hope he settles in quickly because none of the rest of his game, none of it at all was convincing.
Luzon? Great chant about Roland Roland make a sub, so maybe today had nothing to do with Luzon at all, but Luzon was animated, histrionic and impotent. If the Belgians are right about Luzon being a clown, the worst thing about it, is that he may turn out to be a joke with no punchline. There was nothing extra in that game due to his presence as far as I could tell, nothing at all. He has played three and averages two thirds of a point, and a third of a goal per match, and conceded two goals per match. How do you like them stats Roland?
Did I enjoy it? No Was it entertaining? No Were we a refreshed team? No Are any of the new players giving me a sense of hope? No Is Luzon credible? No Am I farking fed up? Yes
Fine margins and all that.. I'd we had held on you'd all be saying it was a ground out win?!
I personally disagree. A win would have papered over the cracks and I would have felt the same as I do now regardless of whether we'd won or not.
The thing that depressed me most today was the fact that I felt little emotion when we took the lead and felt the same when they equalised. These last few weeks mean I'm really struggling with it at the moment and I dare say I'm not alone. Cheers Roland-one of my few pleasures in life and you're ruining it you tosser.
Was convinced we'd lose today so should be happy with a point I guess. Even when we scored I couldn't get too excited because I expected us to concede at least an equaliser.
I realized today, I don't trust these players. We have a couple of very honest pros and good players in Solly and Cousins, a couple more in JJ and Wiggins who are little bit more hot an cold form wise, but beyond that, there's no one who I look at and think is a good personality for this type of situation.
I said at the start of this month, as a lot of people did, that I'd reserve judgement until the transfer window closed. Well, I guss that gives them a few more days, but right now I'm all but out of trust for Roland's regime. I don't trust anything he or Katriene says after the recent managerial shenanigans. I don't trust Luzon because he's clearly Roland's man. I don't trust the people identifying and recruiting the players because they keep sending us poor players ill suited to our needs. I don't even find Richard Murray's presence remotely reassuring anymore and I'm certainly not reassured by the idea that our final transfer window signing will be a 22 year old French defender on loan who we're contractually obliged to play.
I believed all last season that we'd stay up because we had character, even after Powell went Riga fitted in well. Now we've neither got much in the way of talent or fighters and with the early signs of a poisonous atmosphere developing at the Valley I think we look nailed on for relegation right now.
Hope I'm wrong and I hope there will be more than one player signed by Wednesday, including some attacking talent with English experience, but I'm not going to hold my breath.
Le point had about 10 touches and it was a very amusing debut. Literally didn't put a foot right. Sure it was just nerves but wow what a way to introduce yourself
Richard Cawley @RichCawleySLP 7m7 minutes ago Spoke to Guy Luzon after the press conference. He felt team dropped too deep after goal, inviting pressure.
what on earth was he expecting taking Harriott off for Gomez
I think it's all down to see who we get in over the next 2/3 days. That will really tell us a lot about RD. Not looking good is it! My club feels like it's going down the toilet I'm afraid. RD - it's all down to you. Do you have the bottle?
Just looked at players marks someone said wiggins back to his best for fucks sake he was shocking shit on the ball defending shit apart from goaline clearance , we haven't got a single player who is comfortable on the ball at the moment and as professionals this is a big worry and needs sorting .
Excellent summaries from Seth and Exiled with which I completely agree except for the point about Vetokele who I thight was shyte and deserved the hook. Sterile, lifeless and hopeless. Relegation beckons and Im struggling to give a toss. Very sad all round.
Richard Cawley @RichCawleySLP 7m7 minutes ago Spoke to Guy Luzon after the press conference. He felt team dropped too deep after goal, inviting pressure.
what on earth was he expecting taking Harriott off for Gomez
That was his doing. Buyens and the Spurs bloke were dropping too deep for the whole game and bringing on Gomez as a holding player was always going to invite pressure.
I understand the comments about Igor being awful today, but it that substitution was always going to wind the crowd up, especially given that there were no other strikers on the bench
The thing that depressed me most today was the fact that I felt little emotion when we took the lead and felt the same when they equalised. These last few weeks mean I'm really struggling with it at the moment and I dare say I'm not alone.
Yep, the most depressing thing for me is that I'm not really depressed by it. Admittedly I had the advantege of not actually having to sit through it, instead experiencing the game through the filtered version on the match thread (Thanks RM!), but when we scored I was just relieved, and when they equalised it just felt inevitable really. Can't see us strengthening much before the end of Monday, we're out of the cup, so it's just the long weary trudge to the end of the season, and hoping those below us collapse before we do. Whoopdedoo.
The thing that depressed me most today was the fact that I felt little emotion when we took the lead and felt the same when they equalised. These last few weeks mean I'm really struggling with it at the moment and I dare say I'm not alone.
Yep, the most depressing thing for me is that I'm not really depressed by it. Admittedly I had the advantege of not actually having to sit through it, instead experiencing the game through the filtered version on the match thread (Thanks RM!), but when we scored I was just relieved, and when they equalised it just felt inevitable really. Can't see us strengthening much before the end of Monday, we're out of the cup, so it's just the long weary trudge to the end of the season, and hoping those below is collapse before we do. Whoopdedoo.
Yep. A mate texted to say, 'You must be gutted'. That's when it occurred to me that I wasn't really that down about it. Just as you have to experience lows to enjoy the highs, so when there are so few highs you don't really notice the lows.
Absolute toilet today. We somehow take the lead then that old favourite substitution,a defender for a forward.....FFS,how many times have we seen that not work? We then sit back as deep as we can and invite them onto us for the last 10 minutes. We all knew what would happen and it did. We then end up with Lepointe up front with Watt. Joke. Anyone who thinks we aren't in a relegation battle now has got shit in their eyes. Totally fed up
I think it's all down to see who we get in over the next 2/3 days. That will really tell us a lot about RD. Not looking good is it! My club feels like it's going down the toilet I'm afraid. RD - it's all down to you. Do you have the bottle?
If - and it's a big if - we get anyone then you know with Roland it will be a cast-off from somewhere else round his pathetic empire. We need more than one or two players and also things that Roland's millions cannot buy - passion, belief, skill and a manager who gets the club
Six days ago I reckoned we needed six points from the next four games. I was stupidly assuming even the current shambles could beat Rotherham at home. Hard to see where the other five can come from. Wigan away seems the only game we might win.
Le point had about 10 touches and it was a very amusing debut. Literally didn't put a foot right. Sure it was just nerves but wow what a way to introduce yourself
But he made the goal with a lovely little lay off
He passed the ball from about 5 foot, no more no less. He made nothing just passed the ball as you expect from a professional footballer. He did however run around like a headless chicken and near gift them 2 goals.
Six days ago I reckoned we needed six points from the next four games. I was stupidly assuming even the current shambles could beat Rotherham at home. Hard to see where the other five can come from. Wigan away seems the only game we might win.
that would be the next 5 games 4 games from 6 days ago would be Rotherham and the 3 tough games Boro away, Norwich home and Brentford home cant see anything from the 3
Le point had about 10 touches and it was a very amusing debut. Literally didn't put a foot right. Sure it was just nerves but wow what a way to introduce yourself
Apart from the assist for the goal
We would probably be playing until next Saturday and not scored had he not come out. Amazing to see a central midfielder in a Charlton shirt venture in or near the box, other than Jackson of course. Hope he starts just to give us some balance and a chance of scoring other than a JG wonder strike
The biggest problem we have is a total lack of team spirit. Luzon has a massive task to re-ignite this which hasn't been there much this season. Solly Cousins Jackson and Harriot want to play for Charlton - anyone else? Lets shift out the trouble makers
Roland's running Charlton like a branch of Home Bargains. Trouble is, the bargains are getting less and less attractive and while it's nice he's bringing the Saturday boys through to work as fully fledged cashiers, he's forgotten that customers don't like the shop anymore. Mediocrity breeds mediocrity. I hate this regime.
Six days ago I reckoned we needed six points from the next four games. I was stupidly assuming even the current shambles could beat Rotherham at home. Hard to see where the other five can come from. Wigan away seems the only game we might win.
that would be the next 5 games 4 games from 6 days ago would be Rotherham and the 3 tough games Boro away, Norwich home and Brentford home cant see anything from the 3
Apologies, I meant five. Probably trying to forget today's already!
Pretty grim stuff. With 2 defensive midfielders in the centre, and Cousins not a natural left winger, there was a desperate lack of support for the front 2, and swapping Watt for Igor just meant more of the same. Surely the point of playing Veljkovic is to have the other central midfielder further forward? Watt for Buyens, moving Harriott to the left with Cousins in the centre would have at least given us an additional attacking player on the pitch.
And why no other striker on the bench, surely one of Church or KAG should have been there?
We were disjointed, lacklustre, demotivated and devoid of ambition.
Grabbed a goal and then went to sleep.
When I saw the team sheet on Twitter at 2pm I knew we were in for a crap game. Subs were too late and putting Gomez on cost us the game.
From the crowds reaction the jury is well and truly out on Luzon. If he wants to win hearts and minds he needs to win games.
Have to say from the various chats I had with my neighbours in the Lower North there is little optimism about the state of play right now.
Seems to me that there is something seriously wrong behind the scenes at CAFC - no idea what it is, but something has sucked the life force out of the team, that's for sure.
So disappointed and angry after that game, not even the result really but the complete lack of team spirit and fight. Apart from Cousins, Solly and even Harriot at times, the only other really committed players were Veljkovic and the keeper. It's like playing with half a team. I cannot believe that we keep the negative and disruptive Bikey on the pitch. He and Ben haim defend like it's a game in the park, and also have no real interaction or empathy with the other players. It said it all for me when Cousins scored, no one went over to celebrate with him! They are not a team! How have Roland and Peters drained the life out of the team and players that Powell galvanised? Oh, Roland allowed our best to disappear and Peters has crushed those that are left. I actually doubt that Luzon will have the time or influence to revive them but I really hope I am wrong. What a bizarre afternoon.
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So magic in fact that he knew nothing about it and didn't get the final touch.
Good job we equalised before Rotherham scored, because anybody who thought Rotherham wouldn't score in that game was deluded.
Not that they battered us, but Rotherham looked like an actual team. Yes they were limited, but they were honest and well organized, well managed with good substitutions and absolutely deserved their point, and if they had won not many people would have come away surprised. We could even say that was a point gained, or a point saved on our part.
But guys, it was chite and once I've posted this I will read the other posts to see if anybody found any redeeming features in that.
For the game, both teams hit the woodwork first half, Dimi made a great save second half, and there was a goal chalked off for Rotherham second half, combined with an almighty call for a penalty, which I didn't see myself. We created next to nothing, their keeper had no work of any consequence to do throughout the game.
Indeed talking of penalties, Bikey got away with a clear push on Derbyshire in the fifth minute, and our penalty shout was a ball smacked into the blokes face, no penalty.
If Rotherham had taken the lead they would definitely have won that game.
As for our players, well the new keeper was OK, Solly very good, TBH OK, Bikey better than of late, and his boots matched, Wiggy cleared one off the line second half, nearly forgot about that.
The centre of midfield, with Yoni and the new Tottenham bloke was useless, Cousins (our best player) was involved, and Johan was fits and starts as usual. The tactic of Dimi booting it long (which looked like one of two Luzon/Duchatelet's innovations) to Igor and Callum to win in the air was a joke, and the other 'innovation' was we played a straight 442.
Watt came on, inexplicably for Igor as we needed a goal from somewhere, and taking off a goalscorer made no sense, and Watt did one good turn but that was about it, and Lepoint shielded the ball well in a crowded area which led to Jordan's goal, but I hope he settles in quickly because none of the rest of his game, none of it at all was convincing.
Luzon? Great chant about Roland Roland make a sub, so maybe today had nothing to do with Luzon at all, but Luzon was animated, histrionic and impotent.
If the Belgians are right about Luzon being a clown, the worst thing about it, is that he may turn out to be a joke with no punchline. There was nothing extra in that game due to his presence as far as I could tell, nothing at all.
He has played three and averages two thirds of a point, and a third of a goal per match, and conceded two goals per match. How do you like them stats Roland?
Did I enjoy it? No
Was it entertaining? No
Were we a refreshed team? No
Are any of the new players giving me a sense of hope? No
Is Luzon credible? No
Am I farking fed up? Yes
The thing that depressed me most today was the fact that I felt little emotion when we took the lead and felt the same when they equalised. These last few weeks mean I'm really struggling with it at the moment and I dare say I'm not alone. Cheers Roland-one of my few pleasures in life and you're ruining it you tosser.
I realized today, I don't trust these players. We have a couple of very honest pros and good players in Solly and Cousins, a couple more in JJ and Wiggins who are little bit more hot an cold form wise, but beyond that, there's no one who I look at and think is a good personality for this type of situation.
I said at the start of this month, as a lot of people did, that I'd reserve judgement until the transfer window closed. Well, I guss that gives them a few more days, but right now I'm all but out of trust for Roland's regime. I don't trust anything he or Katriene says after the recent managerial shenanigans. I don't trust Luzon because he's clearly Roland's man. I don't trust the people identifying and recruiting the players because they keep sending us poor players ill suited to our needs. I don't even find Richard Murray's presence remotely reassuring anymore and I'm certainly not reassured by the idea that our final transfer window signing will be a 22 year old French defender on loan who we're contractually obliged to play.
I believed all last season that we'd stay up because we had character, even after Powell went Riga fitted in well. Now we've neither got much in the way of talent or fighters and with the early signs of a poisonous atmosphere developing at the Valley I think we look nailed on for relegation right now.
Hope I'm wrong and I hope there will be more than one player signed by Wednesday, including some attacking talent with English experience, but I'm not going to hold my breath.
Spoke to Guy Luzon after the press conference. He felt team dropped too deep after goal, inviting pressure.
what on earth was he expecting taking Harriott off for Gomez
I understand the comments about Igor being awful today, but it that substitution was always going to wind the crowd up, especially given that there were no other strikers on the bench
He did however run around like a headless chicken and near gift them 2 goals.
4 games from 6 days ago would be Rotherham and the 3 tough games Boro away, Norwich home and Brentford home
cant see anything from the 3
Hope he starts just to give us some balance and a chance of scoring other than a JG wonder strike
Lets shift out the trouble makers
(Yes, I'm drinking).
With 2 defensive midfielders in the centre, and Cousins not a natural left winger, there was a desperate lack of support for the front 2, and swapping Watt for Igor just meant more of the same. Surely the point of playing Veljkovic is to have the other central midfielder further forward?
Watt for Buyens, moving Harriott to the left with Cousins in the centre would have at least given us an additional attacking player on the pitch.
And why no other striker on the bench, surely one of Church or KAG should have been there?
Grabbed a goal and then went to sleep.
When I saw the team sheet on Twitter at 2pm I knew we were in for a crap game. Subs were too late and putting Gomez on cost us the game.
From the crowds reaction the jury is well and truly out on Luzon. If he wants to win hearts and minds he needs to win games.
Have to say from the various chats I had with my neighbours in the Lower North there is little optimism about the state of play right now.
Seems to me that there is something seriously wrong behind the scenes at CAFC - no idea what it is, but something has sucked the life force out of the team, that's for sure.
Does Roly kno who, or what, Phil Chapple is or does?
At least Laurel and Hardy let Powell sign the players HE wanted.
Extremley depressed in Bexley.
I cannot believe that we keep the negative and disruptive Bikey on the pitch. He and Ben haim defend like it's a game in the park, and also have no real interaction or empathy with the other players.
It said it all for me when Cousins scored, no one went over to celebrate with him! They are not a team! How have Roland and Peters drained the life out of the team and players that Powell galvanised? Oh, Roland allowed our best to disappear and Peters has crushed those that are left.
I actually doubt that Luzon will have the time or influence to revive them but I really hope I am wrong. What a bizarre afternoon.