Furious that my Misogyny Bingo card didn't have "panel of witches" on it.
Thats not misogyny, its me not being very nice in the name of unpleasant descriptive humour but I wouldn't include it on the bingo card.
Describing women as "witches" because they're doing/saying something you don't like is steeped in 100s of years of misogyny. It might be totally unconscious but that doesn't mean it isn't misogynistic
What if they are actually witches? We should be told.
Furious that my Misogyny Bingo card didn't have "panel of witches" on it.
Thats not misogyny, its me not being very nice in the name of unpleasant descriptive humour but I wouldn't include it on the bingo card.
Describing women as "witches" because they're doing/saying something you don't like is steeped in 100s of years of misogyny. It might be totally unconscious but that doesn't mean it isn't misogynistic
What if they are actually witches? We should be told.
For those who wish to live in the past perhaps reflect on the chances of Mr Wallace appearing in any public broadcasting arena before the 1970s as negligible.
I mention the 1970s as it was through this decade the issues of sexual & racial abuse and the lack of equal opportunities in the workplace and related environments became a matter of government intervention. As a consequence for the best part of 5 decades in a professional environment you have every right to demand professional standards of a behaviour from EVERYONE no matter their status.
Any breach of those standards particularly by those in a position of authority within the employment arena are thus subject to the standards governed by Common, Employment and Contract Law.
It has nothing to with being woke or people being offended.
The moment you accept payment for your skill you are by definition a contracted representative of the employer. Their standards not yours apply. You are thus bound by the standards of employment as defined if not directly by the employer then by Employment Law. In what professional context do you profess to engage in any sexual interaction, active or passive, dialogue or activity with a professional colleague?
What you do choose to do, the values you wish to follow in your private life, with your family and your friends, within the boundaries of law, are a matter for you and them.
If you don’t understand the difference I am not sure anyone can help you.
I don’t know Mr Wallace and can’t recall ever having watched him present any programme. However if he is unaware of his professional responsibilities I strongly suggest he read his written contract in more detail if not for the good of all those around him then most palpably for the benefit of his bank account.
Im a bit confused or just getting old but what exactly has Greg Wallace done thats wrong?
Stayed in the 1980’s
Oh is that it? Absolutely pathetic.
I can't decide whether you're just looking for a response or genuinely don't understand why his behaviour has (finally) resulted in consequences for him and his career.
But, even if we ignore the decade plus history of inappropriate and unwelcome comments in the workplace (many to much junior colleagues), he's also alleged to have simulated sex acts on female workers on the show, touched up others and danced around the studio wearing only a sock over his knob.
I've no idea what your workplace is like, but I'm pretty sure, even back in the 1980's when I entered the workplace, this sort of thing would have been frowned upon as a minimum, let alone be excused as banter or woke nonsense some 40 years later.
This is not to say I don't muck about, take the mickey, make innuendos, etc. with colleagues myself. I do. It's just I'd never dream of doing it with a person I had no existing relationship with, if it placed them in an embarrassing or awkward situation or essentially abused the workplace power imbalance.
ALLEGED so nothing is proven then? Until it is then as i said absolutely pathetic.Why didnt these so called victims say anything at the time?
You want some eggs with that huge slice of gammon?
Furious that my Misogyny Bingo card didn't have "panel of witches" on it.
Thats not misogyny, its me not being very nice in the name of unpleasant descriptive humour but I wouldn't include it on the bingo card.
Describing women as "witches" because they're doing/saying something you don't like is steeped in 100s of years of misogyny. It might be totally unconscious but that doesn't mean it isn't misogynistic
What if they are actually witches? We should be told.
Firstly and very clearly. I dislike Gregg Wallace and I always have done. @Leuth summed up whats happened here, the BBC wanted what they believe to be a working class geezer looks like and they employed that screaming bell cheddar.
I believe the allegations are most likely with merit but I would if there was only one and the accusation was "he smiled at me".
And you know what, yeah fair one nobody should be having to put up with unsolicited advances of a man talking graphically about his sex life or him putting his hands on aq woman without solicitation or invitation. My take is, I hope the same level of scrutiny is applied to any accusations against homosexuals or women who are only having a bit of harmless fun/objectifying someone. As that happens in plain sight and whilst it doesn't offend me per se, it does give rise to people like Gregg Wallace to point to that and say "so if they can, I can"
I disagree with this on the grounds that the context for "straight" men harassing and abusing women and gay men and children is so established in our culture, openly and since time immemorial means that there is not a real equivalence between the examples.
In my opinion obvs.
Absolutely, we are all allowed our own opinions. And I don't disagree with the point you've made. What I'm saying, as someone booked to attend another diversity and inclusion course today instead of doing a days work us, true inclusion would be to treat everyone the same regarding letching and objectification
In an ideal world - but the context is important no?
Context is everything, but if the context is the panel of witches on loose women giving it "you don't get many of them in a biscuit tin" whenever they have a male they find attractive on, or anytime Rylan or Judge Rinder makes a sexually suggestive remark in the name of banter and they are treated the same as Gregg Wallace misbehaving and essentially doing the same thing but less overtly perhaps. Then awesome but if the context is its ok for loose women and Rylan but not some shaved gibbon from masterchef then thats not progress.
The thing with that sort of stuff is it can make you feel a bit of a Mary for speaking up about it, especially as a man. One of my main drivers for getting into mobile DJing was the ease with which I could meet women, that also came with a level of entitlement from women that as the DJ you are some sort of sport for them and can be treated as such, is that OK because men before my generation used to have the same hands on approach, a fast & loose attitude to respecting womens space and women in general? Of course it isn't and to be honest I could handle myself in those situations but that shouldn't really excuse the behaviour any more than when a woman can deal with a workplace sexcase
I used to do a bit of DJing years ago. Didn't f*****g happen to me!
You mean you’ve never had to tease false fingernail from your nipsy?
Melanie Sykes has revealed she made an informal complaint about Gregg Wallace, saying that having to work with him on Celebrity MasterChef in 2021 was the reason why she quit TV. "I said I didn’t want to make a formal complaint because I’d spend all my time in litigation and I think that is one of the reasons why people don’t go for it."
Her comments came as Vanessa Feltz claimed that Wallace had, on first meeting a friend of hers, described in a BBC lift a sex act he had performed.
Ok, and I have read he exposed himself too. If this is true he has got what is coming to him. I would respectfully ask Chips, can you say these things at work? I know if I had I would be gone. If it was a comedy club maybe or in the pub with like minded mates ok but a masterchef kitchen etc is not an appropriate place for this sort of language. Not really wokeness just somebody who doesn't seem to stop his innapropriate behaviour and we should also consider he has been warned previously.
I'm pretty confident I couldn't have said similar in my workplace in the 80s!
I've never liked the spanner. However, are the allegations any worse than Gordon Ramsay's bullying and personal attacks? - somehow it seems ok that he's made a TV career out of this without any thought about his victims.
I've never liked the spanner. However, are the allegations any worse than Gordon Ramsay's bullying and personal attacks? - somehow it seems ok that he's made a TV career out of this without any thought about his victims.
"Bullying" in a kitchen is quite different from inappropriate sexualisation of comments and physical actions that are unwarranted by the recipient.
If you work in a professional kitchen and the chef shouts, that's comes with the territory. Yes it will be upsetting for some, but you go into that end of the profession (and into a programme with Ramsay) knowing what's coming, and aware that the purpose is improvement.
The nature of 2G Greg's indiscretions are not about improvement, but potentially with another motivation, not anticipated by, nor signed up to by, the recipients.
"Bullying" in a kitchen is quite different from inappropriate sexualisation of comments and physical actions that are unwarranted by the recipient.
If you work in a professional kitchen and the chef shouts, that's comes with the territory. Yes it will be upsetting for some, but you go into that end of the profession (and into a programme with Ramsay) knowing what's coming, and aware that the purpose is improvement.
The nature of 2G Greg's indiscretions are not about improvement, but potentially with another motivation, not anticipated by, nor signed up to by, the recipients.
It's his filthy mouth in a work place as well as the bullying.
Jackie Kearney who worked with Wallace on Masterchef, wrote a book and gave a copy to John Torode who accepted it with grace. Wallace said in the middle of the studio "is it for my cock?"
"Bullying" in a kitchen is quite different from inappropriate sexualisation of comments and physical actions that are unwarranted by the recipient.
If you work in a professional kitchen and the chef shouts, that's comes with the territory. Yes it will be upsetting for some, but you go into that end of the profession (and into a programme with Ramsay) knowing what's coming, and aware that the purpose is improvement.
The nature of 2G Greg's indiscretions are not about improvement, but potentially with another motivation, not anticipated by, nor signed up to by, the recipients.
It's his filthy mouth in a work place as well as the bullying.
But his filthy mouth is "that's f*cking horrible you dickhead" (paraphrased), shouting at someone that has gone into that environment knowing that is how it is.
Wallace's filthy mouth is "I'm not wearing boxers, My wife suck's my d*ck every morning" (paraphrased) to women (and junior staff members) that haven't signed up for that, and where he possibly (probably) has a motive.
Jackie Kearney who worked with Wallace on Masterchef, wrote a book and gave a copy to John Torode who accepted it with grace. Wallace said in the middle of the studio "is it for my cock?"
"Bullying" in a kitchen is quite different from inappropriate sexualisation of comments and physical actions that are unwarranted by the recipient.
If you work in a professional kitchen and the chef shouts, that's comes with the territory. Yes it will be upsetting for some, but you go into that end of the profession (and into a programme with Ramsay) knowing what's coming, and aware that the purpose is improvement.
The nature of 2G Greg's indiscretions are not about improvement, but potentially with another motivation, not anticipated by, nor signed up to by, the recipients.
Bullying (no inverted commas), racism, personal insults, that's what Ramsay trades off and we are all meant to find it amusing. Do you think this is ok and promotes his profession? Double standards going on here. Ben, you seriously surprise me(.Ben: Thank you chef) You surprise me in how shit you are."
"Ah, fuck ME! SHIT! Bobby. I'm looking for someone to take control of this disgusting, embarrassing mess. He doesn't give a fuck, he's dreaming, he's standing there pissing his pants looking for his tartare caviar white chocolate crap, and he's just running around like a toilet brush! Is anyone gonna TAKE CONTROL?!"
"Fuck off, you fat useless sack of fucking yankee danky doodle shite"
"Would you mind taking your breasts off my hot plate? Yeah, look at that. How can I serve food with those fucking things there?"
"Overcooked on the bottom, crispy as fuck, and it looks like Gandhi's flip flop. What a shame"
"Bullying" in a kitchen is quite different from inappropriate sexualisation of comments and physical actions that are unwarranted by the recipient.
If you work in a professional kitchen and the chef shouts, that's comes with the territory. Yes it will be upsetting for some, but you go into that end of the profession (and into a programme with Ramsay) knowing what's coming, and aware that the purpose is improvement.
The nature of 2G Greg's indiscretions are not about improvement, but potentially with another motivation, not anticipated by, nor signed up to by, the recipients.
Bullying (no inverted commas), racism, personal insults, that's what Ramsay trades off and we are all meant to find it amusing. Do you think this is ok and promotes his profession? Double standards going on here. Ben, you seriously surprise me(.Ben: Thank you chef) You surprise me in how shit you are."
"Ah, fuck ME! SHIT! Bobby. I'm looking for someone to take control of this disgusting, embarrassing mess. He doesn't give a fuck, he's dreaming, he's standing there pissing his pants looking for his tartare caviar white chocolate crap, and he's just running around like a toilet brush! Is anyone gonna TAKE CONTROL?!"
"Fuck off, you fat useless sack of fucking yankee danky doodle shite"
"Would you mind taking your breasts off my hot plate? Yeah, look at that. How can I serve food with those fucking things there?"
"Overcooked on the bottom, crispy as fuck, and it looks like Gandhi's flip flop. What a shame"
Tbh I feel this is different from Gregg. The more I hear about Gregg the more ‘creepy’ I find him.
Never watched Ramsey as I just want to punch him every time I see him. Tried to watch the series with him, the French guy & the Italian and couldn’t believe it was real. Awful tele 😳🫣
I agree, it's not the same and Wallace deserves everything coming his way. There is an overlap of behaviour though
Thing is. What's coming his way? If you do face 4 charges of touching 4 people up, what's the maximum sentence you'd receive? The video he put out Sunday, was like he was laughing at everyone. I'm 60 years old, my career is probably finished but I've enough money to see me out.
Never watched Ramsey as I just want to punch him every time I see him. Tried to watch the series with him, the French guy & the Italian and couldn’t believe it was real. Awful tele 😳🫣
I'm guessing 99% of it isn't really though, it's scripted.
I agree, it's not the same and Wallace deserves everything coming his way. There is an overlap of behaviour though
Thing is. What's coming his way? If you do face 4 charges of touching 4 people up, what's the maximum sentence you'd receive? The video he put out Sunday, was like he was laughing at everyone. I'm 60 years old, my career is probably finished but I've enough money to see me out.
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Any breach of those standards particularly by those in a position of authority within the employment arena are thus subject to the standards governed by Common, Employment and Contract Law.
It has nothing to with being woke or people being offended.
The moment you accept payment for your skill you are by definition a contracted representative of the employer. Their standards not yours apply. You are thus bound by the standards of employment as defined if not directly by the employer then by Employment Law. In what professional context do you profess to engage in any sexual interaction, active or passive, dialogue or activity with a professional colleague?
If you don’t understand the difference I am not sure anyone can help you.
I don’t know Mr Wallace and can’t recall ever having watched him present any programme. However if he is unaware of his professional responsibilities I strongly suggest he read his written contract in more detail if not for the good of all those around him then most palpably for the benefit of his bank account.
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I'm pretty confident I couldn't have said similar in my workplace in the 80s!
Christmas specials now pulled. Professionals to air as planned.
If you work in a professional kitchen and the chef shouts, that's comes with the territory. Yes it will be upsetting for some, but you go into that end of the profession (and into a programme with Ramsay) knowing what's coming, and aware that the purpose is improvement.
The nature of 2G Greg's indiscretions are not about improvement, but potentially with another motivation, not anticipated by, nor signed up to by, the recipients.
Wallace said in the middle of the studio "is it for my cock?"
Wallace's filthy mouth is "I'm not wearing boxers, My wife suck's my d*ck every morning" (paraphrased) to women (and junior staff members) that haven't signed up for that, and where he possibly (probably) has a motive.
It's fundamentally different.
Ben, you seriously surprise me(.Ben: Thank you chef) You surprise me in how shit you are."
"Ah, fuck ME! SHIT! Bobby. I'm looking for someone to take control of this disgusting, embarrassing mess. He doesn't give a fuck, he's dreaming, he's standing there pissing his pants looking for his tartare caviar white chocolate crap, and he's just running around like a toilet brush! Is anyone gonna TAKE CONTROL?!"
"Fuck off, you fat useless sack of fucking yankee danky doodle shite"
"Would you mind taking your breasts off my hot plate? Yeah, look at that. How can I serve food with those fucking things there?"
"Overcooked on the bottom, crispy as fuck, and it looks like Gandhi's flip flop. What a shame"
Tried to watch the series with him, the French guy & the Italian and couldn’t believe it was real.
Awful tele 😳🫣
What's coming his way?
If you do face 4 charges of touching 4 people up, what's the maximum sentence you'd receive?
The video he put out Sunday, was like he was laughing at everyone.
I'm 60 years old, my career is probably finished but I've enough money to see me out.