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KBslittlesis said:
We all are.SporadicAddick said:
What if they are actually witches? We should be told.fenaddick said:
Describing women as "witches" because they're doing/saying something you don't like is steeped in 100s of years of misogyny. It might be totally unconscious but that doesn't mean it isn't misogynisticCarter said:
Thats not misogyny, its me not being very nice in the name of unpleasant descriptive humour but I wouldn't include it on the bingo card.Chizz said:Furious that my Misogyny Bingo card didn't have "panel of witches" on it.
It’s a badge of honour.
Carry on.I had considered that, but thanks for confirming.*Just don't tell the missus I said that ;-)3 -
You’ll get betterRizzo said:
Careful. They might turn you into a newt.SporadicAddick said:
What if they are actually witches? We should be told.fenaddick said:
Describing women as "witches" because they're doing/saying something you don't like is steeped in 100s of years of misogyny. It might be totally unconscious but that doesn't mean it isn't misogynisticCarter said:
Thats not misogyny, its me not being very nice in the name of unpleasant descriptive humour but I wouldn't include it on the bingo card.Chizz said:Furious that my Misogyny Bingo card didn't have "panel of witches" on it.3 -
For those who wish to live in the past perhaps reflect on the chances of Mr Wallace appearing in any public broadcasting arena before the 1970s as negligible.I mention the 1970s as it was through this decade the issues of sexual & racial abuse and the lack of equal opportunities in the workplace and related environments became a matter of government intervention. As a consequence for the best part of 5 decades in a professional environment you have every right to demand professional standards of a behaviour from EVERYONE no matter their status.
Any breach of those standards particularly by those in a position of authority within the employment arena are thus subject to the standards governed by Common, Employment and Contract Law.
It has nothing to with being woke or people being offended.
The moment you accept payment for your skill you are by definition a contracted representative of the employer. Their standards not yours apply. You are thus bound by the standards of employment as defined if not directly by the employer then by Employment Law. In what professional context do you profess to engage in any sexual interaction, active or passive, dialogue or activity with a professional colleague?What you do choose to do, the values you wish to follow in your private life, with your family and your friends, within the boundaries of law, are a matter for you and them.….
If you don’t understand the difference I am not sure anyone can help you.
I don’t know Mr Wallace and can’t recall ever having watched him present any programme. However if he is unaware of his professional responsibilities I strongly suggest he read his written contract in more detail if not for the good of all those around him then most palpably for the benefit of his bank account.4 -
Huh!!sam3110 said:
You want some eggs with that huge slice of gammon?greenwichred68 said:
ALLEGED so nothing is proven then? Until it is then as i said absolutely pathetic.Why didnt these so called victims say anything at the time?Bournemouth Addick said:
I can't decide whether you're just looking for a response or genuinely don't understand why his behaviour has (finally) resulted in consequences for him and his career.greenwichred68 said:
Oh is that it? Absolutely pathetic.SporadicAddick said:
Stayed in the 1980’sgreenwichred68 said:Im a bit confused or just getting old but what exactly has Greg Wallace done thats wrong?
But, even if we ignore the decade plus history of inappropriate and unwelcome comments in the workplace (many to much junior colleagues), he's also alleged to have simulated sex acts on female workers on the show, touched up others and danced around the studio wearing only a sock over his knob.
I've no idea what your workplace is like, but I'm pretty sure, even back in the 1980's when I entered the workplace, this sort of thing would have been frowned upon as a minimum, let alone be excused as banter or woke nonsense some 40 years later.
This is not to say I don't muck about, take the mickey, make innuendos, etc. with colleagues myself. I do. It's just I'd never dream of doing it with a person I had no existing relationship with, if it placed them in an embarrassing or awkward situation or essentially abused the workplace power imbalance.0 -
Or a Nigel being turned into a newt...KBslittlesis said:
Or worse…………a Nigel 😳Rizzo said:
Careful. They might turn you into a newt.SporadicAddick said:
What if they are actually witches? We should be told.fenaddick said:
Describing women as "witches" because they're doing/saying something you don't like is steeped in 100s of years of misogyny. It might be totally unconscious but that doesn't mean it isn't misogynisticCarter said:
Thats not misogyny, its me not being very nice in the name of unpleasant descriptive humour but I wouldn't include it on the bingo card.Chizz said:Furious that my Misogyny Bingo card didn't have "panel of witches" on it.
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You mean you’ve never had to tease false fingernail from your nipsy?DaveMehmet said:
I used to do a bit of DJing years ago. Didn't f*****g happen to me!Carter said:
Context is everything, but if the context is the panel of witches on loose women giving it "you don't get many of them in a biscuit tin" whenever they have a male they find attractive on, or anytime Rylan or Judge Rinder makes a sexually suggestive remark in the name of banter and they are treated the same as Gregg Wallace misbehaving and essentially doing the same thing but less overtly perhaps. Then awesome but if the context is its ok for loose women and Rylan but not some shaved gibbon from masterchef then thats not progress.Wheresmeticket said:
In an ideal world - but the context is important no?Carter said:
Absolutely, we are all allowed our own opinions. And I don't disagree with the point you've made. What I'm saying, as someone booked to attend another diversity and inclusion course today instead of doing a days work us, true inclusion would be to treat everyone the same regarding letching and objectificationWheresmeticket said:
I disagree with this on the grounds that the context for "straight" men harassing and abusing women and gay men and children is so established in our culture, openly and since time immemorial means that there is not a real equivalence between the examples.Carter said:Firstly and very clearly. I dislike Gregg Wallace and I always have done. @Leuth summed up whats happened here, the BBC wanted what they believe to be a working class geezer looks like and they employed that screaming bell cheddar.
I believe the allegations are most likely with merit but I would if there was only one and the accusation was "he smiled at me".
And you know what, yeah fair one nobody should be having to put up with unsolicited advances of a man talking graphically about his sex life or him putting his hands on aq woman without solicitation or invitation. My take is, I hope the same level of scrutiny is applied to any accusations against homosexuals or women who are only having a bit of harmless fun/objectifying someone. As that happens in plain sight and whilst it doesn't offend me per se, it does give rise to people like Gregg Wallace to point to that and say "so if they can, I can"
In my opinion obvs.
The thing with that sort of stuff is it can make you feel a bit of a Mary for speaking up about it, especially as a man. One of my main drivers for getting into mobile DJing was the ease with which I could meet women, that also came with a level of entitlement from women that as the DJ you are some sort of sport for them and can be treated as such, is that OK because men before my generation used to have the same hands on approach, a fast & loose attitude to respecting womens space and women in general? Of course it isn't and to be honest I could handle myself in those situations but that shouldn't really excuse the behaviour any more than when a woman can deal with a workplace sexcase2 -
Melanie Sykes has revealed she made an informal complaint about Gregg Wallace, saying that having to work with him on Celebrity MasterChef in 2021 was the reason why she quit TV. "I said I didn’t want to make a formal complaint because I’d spend all my time in litigation and I think that is one of the reasons why people don’t go for it."Her comments came as Vanessa Feltz claimed that Wallace had, on first meeting a friend of hers, described in a BBC lift a sex act he had performed.
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Ok, and I have read he exposed himself too. If this is true he has got what is coming to him. I would respectfully ask Chips, can you say these things at work? I know if I had I would be gone. If it was a comedy club maybe or in the pub with like minded mates ok but a masterchef kitchen etc is not an appropriate place for this sort of language. Not really wokeness just somebody who doesn't seem to stop his innapropriate behaviour and we should also consider he has been warned previously.Covered End said:
Here you go Muttley, Chizz posted this on page 4.Chizz said:NSFW
I'm pretty confident I couldn't have said similar in my workplace in the 80s!3 -
I’m guessing there’s a Mrs Gregg? I just wonder what’s going on in their relationship right now. Got to put a massive stress on it.0
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She's the 4th Mrs Gregg which suggests he's good at putting stress on marriages without outside helpArsenetatters said:I’m guessing there’s a Mrs Gregg? I just wonder what’s going on in their relationship right now. Got to put a massive stress on it.2 -
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One current one; three former ones.Arsenetatters said:I’m guessing there’s a Mrs Gregg? I just wonder what’s going on in their relationship right now. Got to put a massive stress on it.0 -
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/ceqlnl95lwdo
Christmas specials now pulled. Professionals to air as planned.0 -
Wicked. I love Bodie & Doyle.MarcusH26 said:https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/ceqlnl95lwdo
Christmas specials now pulled. Professionals to air as planned.16 -
I've never liked the spanner. However, are the allegations any worse than Gordon Ramsay's bullying and personal attacks? - somehow it seems ok that he's made a TV career out of this without any thought about his victims.6
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A very good point.kafka said:I've never liked the spanner. However, are the allegations any worse than Gordon Ramsay's bullying and personal attacks? - somehow it seems ok that he's made a TV career out of this without any thought about his victims.0 -
"Bullying" in a kitchen is quite different from inappropriate sexualisation of comments and physical actions that are unwarranted by the recipient.
If you work in a professional kitchen and the chef shouts, that's comes with the territory. Yes it will be upsetting for some, but you go into that end of the profession (and into a programme with Ramsay) knowing what's coming, and aware that the purpose is improvement.
The nature of 2G Greg's indiscretions are not about improvement, but potentially with another motivation, not anticipated by, nor signed up to by, the recipients.3 -
It's his filthy mouth in a work place as well as the bullying.SporadicAddick said:"Bullying" in a kitchen is quite different from inappropriate sexualisation of comments and physical actions that are unwarranted by the recipient.
If you work in a professional kitchen and the chef shouts, that's comes with the territory. Yes it will be upsetting for some, but you go into that end of the profession (and into a programme with Ramsay) knowing what's coming, and aware that the purpose is improvement.
The nature of 2G Greg's indiscretions are not about improvement, but potentially with another motivation, not anticipated by, nor signed up to by, the recipients.0 -
Jackie Kearney who worked with Wallace on Masterchef, wrote a book and gave a copy to John Torode who accepted it with grace.
Wallace said in the middle of the studio "is it for my cock?"0 -
But his filthy mouth is "that's f*cking horrible you dickhead" (paraphrased), shouting at someone that has gone into that environment knowing that is how it is.Covered End said:
It's his filthy mouth in a work place as well as the bullying.SporadicAddick said:"Bullying" in a kitchen is quite different from inappropriate sexualisation of comments and physical actions that are unwarranted by the recipient.
If you work in a professional kitchen and the chef shouts, that's comes with the territory. Yes it will be upsetting for some, but you go into that end of the profession (and into a programme with Ramsay) knowing what's coming, and aware that the purpose is improvement.
The nature of 2G Greg's indiscretions are not about improvement, but potentially with another motivation, not anticipated by, nor signed up to by, the recipients.
Wallace's filthy mouth is "I'm not wearing boxers, My wife suck's my d*ck every morning" (paraphrased) to women (and junior staff members) that haven't signed up for that, and where he possibly (probably) has a motive.
It's fundamentally different.4 -
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It's for a cock.Covered End said:Jackie Kearney who worked with Wallace on Masterchef, wrote a book and gave a copy to John Torode who accepted it with grace.
Wallace said in the middle of the studio "is it for my cock?"3 -
Bullying (no inverted commas), racism, personal insults, that's what Ramsay trades off and we are all meant to find it amusing. Do you think this is ok and promotes his profession? Double standards going on here.SporadicAddick said:"Bullying" in a kitchen is quite different from inappropriate sexualisation of comments and physical actions that are unwarranted by the recipient.
If you work in a professional kitchen and the chef shouts, that's comes with the territory. Yes it will be upsetting for some, but you go into that end of the profession (and into a programme with Ramsay) knowing what's coming, and aware that the purpose is improvement.
The nature of 2G Greg's indiscretions are not about improvement, but potentially with another motivation, not anticipated by, nor signed up to by, the recipients.
Ben, you seriously surprise me(.Ben: Thank you chef) You surprise me in how shit you are.""Ah, fuck ME! SHIT! Bobby. I'm looking for someone to take control of this disgusting, embarrassing mess. He doesn't give a fuck, he's dreaming, he's standing there pissing his pants looking for his tartare caviar white chocolate crap, and he's just running around like a toilet brush! Is anyone gonna TAKE CONTROL?!"
"Fuck off, you fat useless sack of fucking yankee danky doodle shite"
"Would you mind taking your breasts off my hot plate? Yeah, look at that. How can I serve food with those fucking things there?"
"Overcooked on the bottom, crispy as fuck, and it looks like Gandhi's flip flop. What a shame"
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Tbh I feel this is different from Gregg. The more I hear about Gregg the more ‘creepy’ I find him.kafka said:
Bullying (no inverted commas), racism, personal insults, that's what Ramsay trades off and we are all meant to find it amusing. Do you think this is ok and promotes his profession? Double standards going on here.SporadicAddick said:"Bullying" in a kitchen is quite different from inappropriate sexualisation of comments and physical actions that are unwarranted by the recipient.
If you work in a professional kitchen and the chef shouts, that's comes with the territory. Yes it will be upsetting for some, but you go into that end of the profession (and into a programme with Ramsay) knowing what's coming, and aware that the purpose is improvement.
The nature of 2G Greg's indiscretions are not about improvement, but potentially with another motivation, not anticipated by, nor signed up to by, the recipients.
Ben, you seriously surprise me(.Ben: Thank you chef) You surprise me in how shit you are.""Ah, fuck ME! SHIT! Bobby. I'm looking for someone to take control of this disgusting, embarrassing mess. He doesn't give a fuck, he's dreaming, he's standing there pissing his pants looking for his tartare caviar white chocolate crap, and he's just running around like a toilet brush! Is anyone gonna TAKE CONTROL?!"
"Fuck off, you fat useless sack of fucking yankee danky doodle shite"
"Would you mind taking your breasts off my hot plate? Yeah, look at that. How can I serve food with those fucking things there?"
"Overcooked on the bottom, crispy as fuck, and it looks like Gandhi's flip flop. What a shame"
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I agree, it's not the same and Wallace deserves everything coming his way. There is an overlap of behaviour though2
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I guess if Gordon was judging on Masterchef and shouted like this it would be unacceptable.kafka said:I agree, it's not the same and Wallace deserves everything coming his way. There is an overlap of behaviour though1 -
Not watched a lot of him but what I have seen Ramsay tends to rant on at blokes not women1
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Never watched Ramsey as I just want to punch him every time I see him.
Tried to watch the series with him, the French guy & the Italian and couldn’t believe it was real.
Awful tele 😳🫣0 -
Thing is.kafka said:I agree, it's not the same and Wallace deserves everything coming his way. There is an overlap of behaviour though
What's coming his way?
If you do face 4 charges of touching 4 people up, what's the maximum sentence you'd receive?
The video he put out Sunday, was like he was laughing at everyone.
I'm 60 years old, my career is probably finished but I've enough money to see me out.
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I'm guessing 99% of it isn't really though, it's scripted.KBslittlesis said:Never watched Ramsey as I just want to punch him every time I see him.
Tried to watch the series with him, the French guy & the Italian and couldn’t believe it was real.
Awful tele 😳🫣1 -
10 yearsclb74 said:
Thing is.kafka said:I agree, it's not the same and Wallace deserves everything coming his way. There is an overlap of behaviour though
What's coming his way?
If you do face 4 charges of touching 4 people up, what's the maximum sentence you'd receive?
The video he put out Sunday, was like he was laughing at everyone.
I'm 60 years old, my career is probably finished but I've enough money to see me out.
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