Instead of watching masterchef tonight. Switch over to that's TV and see till death us do part, benidorm and benny hill show.
Enjoy the times when people could laugh and not take life too seriously.
This fake anger woke nonsense has got to stop.
Woke, a very overused word these days, to justify behaviour which is no longer acceptable.
No it's used by people who are sick anf tired of idiots who have nothing better to do all day who find trivial things to pretend to be angry about.
Tell you what Chippy, why don't you turn up to your next meeting, preferably one involving younger women you've never met before, wearing nothing but a sock over your cock. I'm sure everyone will be fine with it. Just 'bants' yeah?
ffs...
Wonder where you've ben. Hangover from the other threads.. no sock big enough...you keep pretending to be angry and I will just carry on with the workshop bants thsts stood me well for all these years.
No doubt tomorrow domething else will come along to get mouthed about.
Nothing ever changes with you does it Chipster? You still can't actually present any relevant points when attempting to make an argument.
Or spell.
Or use the quote function.
And likewise the nazi grammar police in you ha'snt. I was on a train going to the match on my small screen phone.
And made relevant points earlier unlike you who forever is playing tne man.
This ridiculous witch hunt on a man by some people who portray themselves whiter than white is pathetic. Including you.
What relevant points?
I asked a perfectly reasonable question about whether you would be able to do one of the acts that Millwall Gregggggg has been accused of doing, and which you are so keen to defend, in your own workplace. Which we both know you absolutely wouldn't be able to get away with but of course you'd never admit it.
And in a debate about sexually inappropriate comments you felt it was a good idea to slip in a comment about the size of your cock. Says it all really!
What goes on in our workplace stays in out workplace as we are all grown ups.
I met a Charlton ran last night well known to those on here but doesn't post here anymore. When I asked him why, he stated the whole forum is just woke and can't be arsed to wade through the nonsense.
I'm not condoning anything that Wallace may, or may not, have done but I think the BBC's decision to stop the Christmas shows is wrong. I wouldn't have watched them, but I feel sorry for those people, contestants and other staff, who put in a lot of effort and will not now get their moment in the sun. I can't think of any other line of business where a final product would be withheld based on the behaviours of someone involved in it's production (h&s notwithstanding). What good does this serve? It seems like a mindless knee jerk to me.
I'm not condoning anything that Wallace may, or may not, have done but I think the BBC's decision to stop the Christmas shows is wrong. I wouldn't have watched them, but I feel sorry for those people, contestants and other staff, who put in a lot of effort and will not now get their moment in the sun. I can't think of any other line of business where a final product would be withheld based on the behaviours of someone involved in it's production (h&s notwithstanding). What good does this serve? It seems like a mindless knee jerk to me.
Well maybe. We don't really know how the participants may have felt about being on prime time Christmas TV with him. I know we are in a culture where people will give almost anything for media exposure but I like to think that some would prefer not to.
I'm not condoning anything that Wallace may, or may not, have done but I think the BBC's decision to stop the Christmas shows is wrong. I wouldn't have watched them, but I feel sorry for those people, contestants and other staff, who put in a lot of effort and will not now get their moment in the sun. I can't think of any other line of business where a final product would be withheld based on the behaviours of someone involved in its production (h&s notwithstanding). What good does this serve? It seems like a mindless knee jerk to me.
I do agree but with him being destroyed in the press and even the prime minister calling him out, I guess it would look a little weird. It’s a strange situation where he has essentially been found guilty, without any legal process.
I'm not condoning anything that Wallace may, or may not, have done but I think the BBC's decision to stop the Christmas shows is wrong. I wouldn't have watched them, but I feel sorry for those people, contestants and other staff, who put in a lot of effort and will not now get their moment in the sun. I can't think of any other line of business where a final product would be withheld based on the behaviours of someone involved in it's production (h&s notwithstanding). What good does this serve? It seems like a mindless knee jerk to me.
I agree, the show is bigger than one man.
The allegations against GW are very serious, touching women inappropriately is unacceptable and it's sad to see that some on here dismiss it as woke and treat it as a joke.
The initial reports when the story first broke seemed to suggest the problem was his use of lewd speech which for some, myself included, seemed a bit over the top and could be put down to inappropriate banter. However, as time has gone on more allegations have been made including touching and exposure which on reading the details suggest his actions are of a more sinister and predatory nature. I think these latest revelations show a line has been well and truly crossed.
I'm not condoning anything that Wallace may, or may not, have done but I think the BBC's decision to stop the Christmas shows is wrong. I wouldn't have watched them, but I feel sorry for those people, contestants and other staff, who put in a lot of effort and will not now get their moment in the sun. I can't think of any other line of business where a final product would be withheld based on the behaviours of someone involved in its production (h&s notwithstanding). What good does this serve? It seems like a mindless knee jerk to me.
I do agree but with him being destroyed in the press and even the prime minister calling him out, I guess it would look a little weird. It’s a strange situation where he has essentially been found guilty, without any legal process.
He hasn't been found guilty of any legal process and he isn't being treated as such. He has no criminal conviction, no custodial sentence, no fine, no community service and not so much as a suspended sentence, precisely because he hasn't "essentially been found guilty, without any legal process".
What he's done is breached his employer's expectations and their code of conduct. Just like for anyone else who does this, there are consequences. If he has evidence to dispute this then he'll be able to take it to tribunal. I suspect on what we've heard already that there will be no such appeal. Such sanctions do not need to undergo 'legal' process, but here will, of course, be HR processes going on in the background. As things stand, this isn't a matter that the courts should have been involved in. We shouldn't pretend that it is.
I'm not condoning anything that Wallace may, or may not, have done but I think the BBC's decision to stop the Christmas shows is wrong. I wouldn't have watched them, but I feel sorry for those people, contestants and other staff, who put in a lot of effort and will not now get their moment in the sun. I can't think of any other line of business where a final product would be withheld based on the behaviours of someone involved in its production (h&s notwithstanding). What good does this serve? It seems like a mindless knee jerk to me.
I do agree but with him being destroyed in the press and even the prime minister calling him out, I guess it would look a little weird. It’s a strange situation where he has essentially been found guilty, without any legal process.
He hasn't been found guilty of any legal process and he isn't being treated as such. He has no criminal conviction, no custodial sentence, no fine, no community service and not so much as a suspended sentence, precisely because he hasn't "essentially been found guilty, without any legal process".
What he's done is breached his employer's expectations and their code of conduct. Just like for anyone else who does this, there are consequences. If he has evidence to dispute this then he'll be able to take it to tribunal. I suspect on what we've heard already that there will be no such appeal. Such sanctions do not need to undergo 'legal' process, but here will, of course, be HR processes going on in the background. As things stand, this isn't a matter that the courts should have been involved in. We shouldn't pretend that it is.
But there are now allegations of sexual assault so there does need to be a legal process. He’s come out and said he’s done nothing wrong so if someone has accused him of sexual assault, one would assume he would want to clear his name.
I'm not condoning anything that Wallace may, or may not, have done but I think the BBC's decision to stop the Christmas shows is wrong. I wouldn't have watched them, but I feel sorry for those people, contestants and other staff, who put in a lot of effort and will not now get their moment in the sun. I can't think of any other line of business where a final product would be withheld based on the behaviours of someone involved in its production (h&s notwithstanding). What good does this serve? It seems like a mindless knee jerk to me.
I do agree but with him being destroyed in the press and even the prime minister calling him out, I guess it would look a little weird. It’s a strange situation where he has essentially been found guilty, without any legal process.
He hasn't been found guilty of any legal process and he isn't being treated as such. He has no criminal conviction, no custodial sentence, no fine, no community service and not so much as a suspended sentence, precisely because he hasn't "essentially been found guilty, without any legal process".
What he's done is breached his employer's expectations and their code of conduct. Just like for anyone else who does this, there are consequences. If he has evidence to dispute this then he'll be able to take it to tribunal. I suspect on what we've heard already that there will be no such appeal. Such sanctions do not need to undergo 'legal' process, but here will, of course, be HR processes going on in the background. As things stand, this isn't a matter that the courts should have been involved in. We shouldn't pretend that it is.
It is also worth noting that the burden of proof in employment matters is 'reasonable belief based on the balance of probability' rather than the criminal 'beyond reasonable doubt'.
As you couldn't barge Gregggg Spanner Wallace with a touch pole now, I have emailed this idea to the BBC and Channel Five.
John Torode and his wife Lisa Faulkner present a show called 'Partners in the kitchen' where ordinary folk try to spend an hour together in a kitchen trying to make possibly 'Toad in the hole' or Spotty dick for pudding. Rows aplenty and great comedic banter.
For the many non meat eaters: Pull a Vegan's pork and
Get down on your Nut nog is available.
No poncey food with their signature in sauce will be allowed.
My wife and I take turns in cooking as we can't be in the kitchen at the same time as we have our own rules on simmering and how to get your Yorkshire's to rise. Meat and two veg can also be a problem as she over steams the broccoli and carrots and I like my meat well done.
I was disappointed with the response from the BBC but Channel five were interested as long as the couples were naked under their Aprons and were in the 25 to 35 age group !
Honestly the world we live in now. Delia lets be aving you Smith never had to strip off when she was showing how to boil eggs.
What a carry on. The above is written in the style of the 1970's, Harmless in its self and the panto season up and down the country will be in full swing now.
Kenneth Williams is fun but Wallace is/was a sex pest.
Today has surely seen the end of Gregg Wallace's TV career after the words of his Ghost writer from 2012, a 35 year old single Mother who had the contract to write the book. The towel dropping and the dirty talk was endemic. She was a freelance. No surprise there was an NDA in place so Shannon Kyle now 47 just felt hopeless and this is becoming a regular thing with especially Men with a bit of power.
The interview is on BBC2 now and you decide if this is woke. Shannon Kyle is doing the interview with Newsnight for no money and she won't sell the story to any media outlet for money.
Melanie Sykes has revealed she made an informal complaint about Gregg Wallace, saying that having to work with him on Celebrity MasterChef in 2021 was the reason why she quit TV. "I said I didn’t want to make a formal complaint because I’d spend all my time in litigation and I think that is one of the reasons why people don’t go for it."
Her comments came as Vanessa Feltz claimed that Wallace had, on first meeting a friend of hers, described in a BBC lift a sex act he had performed.
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Another band wagon jumper on.What utter bloocks.
"Another band wagon jumper on". Is that where we are right now, as a society? One woman explains what happened to her and she's traduced by ill-informed members of the public seeking to diminish and reduce her story. Instead of being listened to and, yes, believed.
You obviously didn't bother to read the story linked in the post. Had you done so, you would have seen that Melanie Sykes' incident was published not today, not yesterday, but last year. So, how does that align with your suggestion that she's a "band wagon jumper on"? She published it in her autobiography. It's in print. And has been for some time.
More? OK. The post and the article explains that she didn't want to make a formal complaint because it would cost too much time in litigation. Is that what we want? Men acting however they want to, to denigrate, embarrass, harass and scare women, safe in the knowledge that their harmful actions won't be treated with seriousness and the complaints of the women will be ignored? In fact, worse than ignored: they will be criticised by people who are fact-free, but bigoted opinion heavy.
If you don't mind me saying - and, in fact, even if you do mind me saying - I think your comment does you no credit at all, is embarrassing and should be treated with disdain by men and women everywhere.
In short, I think what you have written is "utter bloocks".
I was wondering if she gave the true reason to why she quit tv at the time? Na probably not.So yeah its band wagon jumping.
Really? I mean really? Do you have a female partner, daughter, friend?
Recently a new initiative by Kent Police was posted on a local Facebook page. The plan is for a plain clothed Police woman to walk along the streets and if she is subjected to lewd and abusive language, by men passing by in a vehicle, she will radio to colleagues, who will apprehend and charge the occupants. I was amazed at the number of men who thought this was entrapment, even when it was pointed out that if they didn't indulge in unacceptable behaviour, then they would face no action. The post was met with the usual comments of 'woke' and 'banter'.
Sadly, in 2024, there are many men who think it acceptable to abuse women and girls and pass it off as banter.
Wow. I’m quite shocked by this. I feel it’s entrapment too tbh.
I don't see how it is entrapment, the policewoman will be walking along a street just like any other woman. If a man in a car chooses to shout lewd or abusive comments, the that is on them.
I saw a piece on tv the other week, where a woman who goes out jogging is subjected to comments from men she does not know, on almost a daily basis. That can't be right.
This will need to be carefully considered, for example how will the police woman be dressed because you say she will be walking along just like any other woman however if she is done up to the nines especially on a winter’s day I would say entrapment could come into play
I'm staggered if you can't see how your comment is misogyny and victim blaming.
A woman should be able to leave her home without expecting to receive abuse and harassment. How she is dressed should play no part in it.
Why would she? It’s not like they’re aimed at individual people.
Again, the key to this is who the comment is aimed at.
And the power the person saying them has over the other person.
That’s the crux of it for me. It does grind my gears when I see the likes of Lorraine & Shirley embarrassing themselves in front of younger attractive male celebs. But ultimately if these males celebs wanted to put a stop to it they can quite easily. A stern look, a cutting remark or a complete blank & that would be that. But when it’s someone like Wallace he knows he has power (both physically and mentally) over his victims. The very fact he’s done it over and over again despite being asked to stop, had to apologise means he doesn’t give a rats ar5e.
Why would she? It’s not like they’re aimed at individual people.
Again, the key to this is who the comment is aimed at.
And the power the person saying them has over the other person.
That’s the crux of it for me. It does grind my gears when I see the likes of Lorraine & Shirley embarrassing themselves in front of younger attractive male celebs. But ultimately if these males celebs wanted to put a stop to it they can quite easily. A stern look, a cutting remark or a complete blank & that would be that. But when it’s someone like Wallace he knows he has power (both physically and mentally) over his victims. The very fact he’s done it over and over again despite being asked to stop, had to apologise means he doesn’t give a rats ar5e.
hmmm i think it depends on the male. Justin Bieber was groped and shown uncomfortable attention by older female celebs, he was a young man and probably felt overwhelmed.
Just read about the latest accusation from the woman who ghost wrote his book. How did he think he could get away from it? Is it possible he may be charged with anything?
Just read about the latest accusation from the woman who ghost wrote his book. How did he think he could get away from it? Is it possible he may be charged with anything?
I assume he thought he could get away with it because he had her under NDA.
Why would she? It’s not like they’re aimed at individual people.
Again, the key to this is who the comment is aimed at.
And the power the person saying them has over the other person.
That’s the crux of it for me. It does grind my gears when I see the likes of Lorraine & Shirley embarrassing themselves in front of younger attractive male celebs. But ultimately if these males celebs wanted to put a stop to it they can quite easily. A stern look, a cutting remark or a complete blank & that would be that. But when it’s someone like Wallace he knows he has power (both physically and mentally) over his victims. The very fact he’s done it over and over again despite being asked to stop, had to apologise means he doesn’t give a rats ar5e.
hmmm i think it depends on the male. Justin Bieber was groped and shown uncomfortable attention by older female celebs, he was a young man and probably felt overwhelmed.
Completely agree with that and there will be exceptions where it’s a woman welding the power.
Why would she? It’s not like they’re aimed at individual people.
Again, the key to this is who the comment is aimed at.
And the power the person saying them has over the other person.
That’s the crux of it for me. It does grind my gears when I see the likes of Lorraine & Shirley embarrassing themselves in front of younger attractive male celebs. But ultimately if these males celebs wanted to put a stop to it they can quite easily. A stern look, a cutting remark or a complete blank & that would be that. But when it’s someone like Wallace he knows he has power (both physically and mentally) over his victims. The very fact he’s done it over and over again despite being asked to stop, had to apologise means he doesn’t give a rats ar5e.
hmmm i think it depends on the male. Justin Bieber was groped and shown uncomfortable attention by older female celebs, he was a young man and probably felt overwhelmed.
Completely agree with that and there will be exceptions where it’s a woman welding the power.
There is a true story, not featuring me but involves a mate of mine who after years of site work took a complete u-turn to try his hand at selling houses instead of building them. Within not very long, one of the girls there has put it on him, they end up shagging, he didn't think too much, he'd been used to working with men and not concerned about workplace dalliance. He was happily single, didn't want a repeat performance. Told the girl, who responded with "if you dump me I'll tell the manager (not the police) you assaulted me" he shat it and quit. And I think I'd have done the same. Anyway he's back earning money on site again now years down the line.
Not sure how that relates to this but felt like the right place to put it
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I met a Charlton ran last night well known to those on here but doesn't post here anymore. When I asked him why, he stated the whole forum is just woke and can't be arsed to wade through the nonsense.
The allegations against GW are very serious, touching women inappropriately is unacceptable and it's sad to see that some on here dismiss it as woke and treat it as a joke.
What he's done is breached his employer's expectations and their code of conduct. Just like for anyone else who does this, there are consequences. If he has evidence to dispute this then he'll be able to take it to tribunal. I suspect on what we've heard already that there will be no such appeal. Such sanctions do not need to undergo 'legal' process, but here will, of course, be HR processes going on in the background. As things stand, this isn't a matter that the courts should have been involved in. We shouldn't pretend that it is.
It is also worth noting that the burden of proof in employment matters is 'reasonable belief based on the balance of probability' rather than the criminal 'beyond reasonable doubt'.
John Torode and his wife Lisa Faulkner present a show called 'Partners in the kitchen' where ordinary folk try to spend an hour together in a kitchen trying to make possibly 'Toad in the hole' or Spotty dick for pudding.
Rows aplenty and great comedic banter.
For the many non meat eaters: Pull a Vegan's pork and
No poncey food with their signature in sauce will be allowed.
My wife and I take turns in cooking as we can't be in the kitchen at the same time as we have our own rules on simmering and how to get your Yorkshire's to rise.
Meat and two veg can also be a problem as she over steams the broccoli and carrots and I like my meat well done.
I was disappointed with the response from the BBC but Channel five were interested as long as the couples were naked under their Aprons and were in the 25 to 35 age group !
Honestly the world we live in now. Delia lets be aving you Smith never had to strip off when she was showing how to boil eggs.
What a carry on.
The above is written in the style of the 1970's,
Harmless in its self and the panto season up and down the country will be in full swing now.
Kenneth Williams is fun but Wallace is/was a sex pest.
No surprise there was an NDA in place so Shannon Kyle now 47 just felt hopeless and this is becoming a regular thing with especially Men with a bit of power.
The interview is on BBC2 now and you decide if this is woke.
Shannon Kyle is doing the interview with Newsnight for no money and she won't sell the story to any media outlet for money.
Do you have a female partner, daughter, friend?
A woman should be able to leave her home without expecting to receive abuse and harassment. How she is dressed should play no part in it.
More "harmless banter" from Wallace
It does grind my gears when I see the likes of Lorraine & Shirley embarrassing themselves in front of younger attractive male celebs. But ultimately if these males celebs wanted to put a stop to it they can quite easily. A stern look, a cutting remark or a complete blank & that would be that.
But when it’s someone like Wallace he knows he has power (both physically and mentally) over his victims. The very fact he’s done it over and over again despite being asked to stop, had to apologise means he doesn’t give a rats ar5e.
Not sure how that relates to this but felt like the right place to put it