It's too weird for me to get my head round. Live and let live and all that but it is bizarre. My mrs loves the Khadashians so I have had a number of updates on this. I just can't get my head round it. How would people feel if their old man suddenly wanted to be their old dear?
Depends if the old man is desperately unhappy from being the old man. If he was, fine. Mine is a grumpy old git but I don't think that's the problem. In fact he'd probably spontaneously combust if I suggested it was.
Genuinely don't care in any form. If it helps those brain dead people who like the kardashians who also were born as the wrong gender get the bravery to come to terms with it then good. Other than that it has zero impact on me and good luck to her.
However you paint him and whatever cloths he wears, he's still a geezer. IMO. Very brave to come out and do the photo shoot though.
I think it's brave for any normal person to come out. However for a narcissistic fame hungry family who are reliant on being in the media to continue growing their wealth through nothing more than self promotion - no I don't think so.
However you paint him and whatever cloths he wears, he's still a geezer. IMO. Very brave to come out and do the photo shoot though.
I think it's brave for any normal person to come out. However for a narcissistic fame hungry family who are reliant on being in the media to continue growing their wealth through nothing more than self promotion - no I don't think so.
I think I'd be in this camp. I struggle to comprehend the motivation and/or the sincerity of the actions of people that are famous for being famous. One could argue that he was the most famous of all of them, I mean he won an Olympic medal - and back in the 70s that was a bigger deal than it is today. The rest of them are known for the clothes they wear, the places they go to and on one instance (according to my wife) the shape/pattern of the downstairs hair cut.
Don't get me wrong, they are, clearly, very clever being able to make so much money for doing, literally, nothing of any worth, and of course I would love that kind of money. However, I find the whole family cringeworthy.
Maybe this chap has been tormented his whole life about his sexuality and if so then I'm very pleased for him if he now feels 'free' but I think it will always be questionable if this isn't just an attention grabbing stunt. From what I've heard (again from my wife and her sister) the girls do soft porn in the lads magazines and the 'step-dad' doesn't get that much media attention. Now he has this procedure and he's on the front page of Vanity Fair. Voila!
Since my wife and I separated the best thing for me is that I no longer have to have the crappy soaps on in my house and I never, ever have to watch 'reality tv' again, ever!
However you paint him and whatever cloths he wears, he's still a geezer. IMO. Very brave to come out and do the photo shoot though.
I think it's brave for any normal person to come out. However for a narcissistic fame hungry family who are reliant on being in the media to continue growing their wealth through nothing more than self promotion - no I don't think so.
I think I'd be in this camp. I struggle to comprehend the motivation and/or the sincerity of the actions of people that are famous for being famous. One could argue that he was the most famous of all of them, I mean he won an Olympic medal - and back in the 70s that was a bigger deal than it is today. The rest of them are known for the clothes they wear, the places they go to and on one instance (according to my wife) the shape/pattern of the downstairs hair cut.
Don't get me wrong, they are, clearly, very clever being able to make so much money for doing, literally, nothing of any worth, and of course i would love that kind of money. However, I find the whole family cringeworthy.
Maybe this chap has been tormented his whole life about his sexuality and if so then I'm very pleased for him if he now feels 'free' but I think it will always be questionable if this isn't just an attention grabbing stunt. From what I've heard (again from my wife and her sister) the girls do soft porn in the lads magazines and the 'step-dad' doesn't get that much media attention. Now he has this procedure and he's on the front page of Vanity Fair. Voila!
Since my wife and I separated the best thing for me is that I no longer have to have the crappy soaps on in my house and I never, ever have to watch 'reality tv' again, ever!
But you're not able to refer to her by her preferred pronoun?
My knowledge of how to refer to people that have had a change of gender is patchy, at best. Surely one should be referred to as male when one was male. I mean if not we would have to acknowledge that a women won an event in the men's category in the Olympics. I have no interest in opening a discussion as to if the medal should be given back but either it was won by a man or the individual that won it was in the wrong event. Thus I suspect that if there are rules one should be referred to as their initial sex if discussing the past and their new sex if discussing the present or the future. In any event it is, hardly, straight forward and not something that was explained to me in English at school.
However, in answer to your question, I didn't even realise that I might have used the gender incorrectly. Maybe my lack of knowledge in the subject does, in fact, confirm that the answer to your question is no, I am not able to refer to her by her preferred pronoun, but it is not an intentional act, I can assure you.
However you paint him and whatever cloths he wears, he's still a geezer. IMO. Very brave to come out and do the photo shoot though.
I think it's brave for any normal person to come out. However for a narcissistic fame hungry family who are reliant on being in the media to continue growing their wealth through nothing more than self promotion - no I don't think so.
I think I'd be in this camp. I struggle to comprehend the motivation and/or the sincerity of the actions of people that are famous for being famous. One could argue that he was the most famous of all of them, I mean he won an Olympic medal - and back in the 70s that was a bigger deal than it is today. The rest of them are known for the clothes they wear, the places they go to and on one instance (according to my wife) the shape/pattern of the downstairs hair cut.
Don't get me wrong, they are, clearly, very clever being able to make so much money for doing, literally, nothing of any worth, and of course i would love that kind of money. However, I find the whole family cringeworthy.
Maybe this chap has been tormented his whole life about his sexuality and if so then I'm very pleased for him if he now feels 'free' but I think it will always be questionable if this isn't just an attention grabbing stunt. From what I've heard (again from my wife and her sister) the girls do soft porn in the lads magazines and the 'step-dad' doesn't get that much media attention. Now he has this procedure and he's on the front page of Vanity Fair. Voila!
Since my wife and I separated the best thing for me is that I no longer have to have the crappy soaps on in my house and I never, ever have to watch 'reality tv' again, ever!
But you're not able to refer to her by her preferred pronoun?
Is it not a choice for KHA to make, regardless of your thoughts on the matter?
My knowledge of how to refer to people that have had a change of gender is patchy, at best. Surely one should be referred to as male when one was male. I mean if not we would have to acknowledge that a women won an event in the men's category in the Olympics. I have no interest in opening a discussion as to if the medal should be given back but either it was won by a man or the individual that won it was in the wrong event. Thus I suspect that if there are rules one should be referred to as their initial sex if discussing the past and their new sex if discussing the present or the future. In any event it is, hardly, straight forward and not something that was explained to me in English at school.
However, in answer to your question, I didn't even realise that I might have used the gender incorrectly. Maybe my lack of knowledge in the subject does, in fact, confirm that the answer to your question is no, I am not able to refer to her by her preferred pronoun, but it is not an intentional act, I can assure you.
Really good answer! And, in fact, your last sentence refers to her as a female, which is the whole point.
However you paint him and whatever cloths he wears, he's still a geezer. IMO. Very brave to come out and do the photo shoot though.
I think it's brave for any normal person to come out. However for a narcissistic fame hungry family who are reliant on being in the media to continue growing their wealth through nothing more than self promotion - no I don't think so.
I think I'd be in this camp. I struggle to comprehend the motivation and/or the sincerity of the actions of people that are famous for being famous. One could argue that he was the most famous of all of them, I mean he won an Olympic medal - and back in the 70s that was a bigger deal than it is today. The rest of them are known for the clothes they wear, the places they go to and on one instance (according to my wife) the shape/pattern of the downstairs hair cut.
Don't get me wrong, they are, clearly, very clever being able to make so much money for doing, literally, nothing of any worth, and of course i would love that kind of money. However, I find the whole family cringeworthy.
Maybe this chap has been tormented his whole life about his sexuality and if so then I'm very pleased for him if he now feels 'free' but I think it will always be questionable if this isn't just an attention grabbing stunt. From what I've heard (again from my wife and her sister) the girls do soft porn in the lads magazines and the 'step-dad' doesn't get that much media attention. Now he has this procedure and he's on the front page of Vanity Fair. Voila!
Since my wife and I separated the best thing for me is that I no longer have to have the crappy soaps on in my house and I never, ever have to watch 'reality tv' again, ever!
But you're not able to refer to her by her preferred pronoun?
Is it not a choice for KHA to make, regardless of your thoughts on the matter?
Yes it is. KHA has a choice as to whether he refers to Caitlyn as a "he" or a "she". Caitlyn has a preference a preference to be referred to with the feminine pronoun.
However, I have seen that KHA has answered my point really well and, at the same time started to refer to her with the pronoun she prefers.
However you paint him and whatever cloths he wears, he's still a geezer. IMO. Very brave to come out and do the photo shoot though.
I think it's brave for any normal person to come out. However for a narcissistic fame hungry family who are reliant on being in the media to continue growing their wealth through nothing more than self promotion - no I don't think so.
I think I'd be in this camp. I struggle to comprehend the motivation and/or the sincerity of the actions of people that are famous for being famous. One could argue that he was the most famous of all of them, I mean he won an Olympic medal - and back in the 70s that was a bigger deal than it is today. The rest of them are known for the clothes they wear, the places they go to and on one instance (according to my wife) the shape/pattern of the downstairs hair cut.
Don't get me wrong, they are, clearly, very clever being able to make so much money for doing, literally, nothing of any worth, and of course i would love that kind of money. However, I find the whole family cringeworthy.
Maybe this chap has been tormented his whole life about his sexuality and if so then I'm very pleased for him if he now feels 'free' but I think it will always be questionable if this isn't just an attention grabbing stunt. From what I've heard (again from my wife and her sister) the girls do soft porn in the lads magazines and the 'step-dad' doesn't get that much media attention. Now he has this procedure and he's on the front page of Vanity Fair. Voila!
Since my wife and I separated the best thing for me is that I no longer have to have the crappy soaps on in my house and I never, ever have to watch 'reality tv' again, ever!
But you're not able to refer to her by her preferred pronoun?
Is it not a choice for KHA to make, regardless of your thoughts on the matter?
Yes it is. KHA has a choice as to whether he refers to Caitlyn as a "he" or a "she". Caitlyn has a preference a preference to be referred to with the feminine pronoun.
However, I have seen that KHA has answered my point really well and, at the same time started to refer to her with the pronoun she prefers.
Caitlyn/Bruce's preferences are irrelevant when it comes to someone's choice of reference towards her/him, unless they are in her/his company. Only then should her/his preferences be respected/acted upon.
Didn't a female transexual who was 'living as a man' give birth to a child a few years ago? I remember The Current Bun ran the headline 'Man Gives Birth', only thing was, it was a women with stubble and a womb. So a female then, living as a male. Its a funny old world.
However you paint him and whatever cloths he wears, he's still a geezer. IMO. Very brave to come out and do the photo shoot though.
I think it's brave for any normal person to come out. However for a narcissistic fame hungry family who are reliant on being in the media to continue growing their wealth through nothing more than self promotion - no I don't think so.
I think I'd be in this camp. I struggle to comprehend the motivation and/or the sincerity of the actions of people that are famous for being famous. One could argue that he was the most famous of all of them, I mean he won an Olympic medal - and back in the 70s that was a bigger deal than it is today. The rest of them are known for the clothes they wear, the places they go to and on one instance (according to my wife) the shape/pattern of the downstairs hair cut.
Don't get me wrong, they are, clearly, very clever being able to make so much money for doing, literally, nothing of any worth, and of course i would love that kind of money. However, I find the whole family cringeworthy.
Maybe this chap has been tormented his whole life about his sexuality and if so then I'm very pleased for him if he now feels 'free' but I think it will always be questionable if this isn't just an attention grabbing stunt. From what I've heard (again from my wife and her sister) the girls do soft porn in the lads magazines and the 'step-dad' doesn't get that much media attention. Now he has this procedure and he's on the front page of Vanity Fair. Voila!
Since my wife and I separated the best thing for me is that I no longer have to have the crappy soaps on in my house and I never, ever have to watch 'reality tv' again, ever!
But you're not able to refer to her by her preferred pronoun?
Is it not a choice for KHA to make, regardless of your thoughts on the matter?
Yes it is. KHA has a choice as to whether he refers to Caitlyn as a "he" or a "she". Caitlyn has a preference a preference to be referred to with the feminine pronoun.
However, I have seen that KHA has answered my point really well and, at the same time started to refer to her with the pronoun she prefers.
Caitlyn/Bruce's preferences are irrelevant when it comes to someone's choice of reference towards her/him, unless they are in her/his company. Only then should her/his preferences be respected/acted upon.
Of course. It's more a respect thing. You can respect her wishes it you want to or if you don't want to.
If you don't wish to respect her wishes then that says more about you than her though in my opinion.
However you paint him and whatever cloths he wears, he's still a geezer. IMO. Very brave to come out and do the photo shoot though.
I think it's brave for any normal person to come out. However for a narcissistic fame hungry family who are reliant on being in the media to continue growing their wealth through nothing more than self promotion - no I don't think so.
I think I'd be in this camp. I struggle to comprehend the motivation and/or the sincerity of the actions of people that are famous for being famous. One could argue that he was the most famous of all of them, I mean he won an Olympic medal - and back in the 70s that was a bigger deal than it is today. The rest of them are known for the clothes they wear, the places they go to and on one instance (according to my wife) the shape/pattern of the downstairs hair cut.
Don't get me wrong, they are, clearly, very clever being able to make so much money for doing, literally, nothing of any worth, and of course i would love that kind of money. However, I find the whole family cringeworthy.
Maybe this chap has been tormented his whole life about his sexuality and if so then I'm very pleased for him if he now feels 'free' but I think it will always be questionable if this isn't just an attention grabbing stunt. From what I've heard (again from my wife and her sister) the girls do soft porn in the lads magazines and the 'step-dad' doesn't get that much media attention. Now he has this procedure and he's on the front page of Vanity Fair. Voila!
Since my wife and I separated the best thing for me is that I no longer have to have the crappy soaps on in my house and I never, ever have to watch 'reality tv' again, ever!
But you're not able to refer to her by her preferred pronoun?
Is it not a choice for KHA to make, regardless of your thoughts on the matter?
Yes it is. KHA has a choice as to whether he refers to Caitlyn as a "he" or a "she". Caitlyn has a preference a preference to be referred to with the feminine pronoun.
However, I have seen that KHA has answered my point really well and, at the same time started to refer to her with the pronoun she prefers.
Caitlyn/Bruce's preferences are irrelevant when it comes to someone's choice of reference towards her/him, unless they are in her/his company. Only then should her/his preferences be respected/acted upon.
Of course. It's more a respect thing. You can respect her wishes it you want to or if you don't want to.
If you don't wish to respect her wishes then that says more about you than her though in my opinion.
what about if you really don't give a shit either way*
*he says after reading an entire thread on it.......
and by "you" I mean the hypothetical person deciding to call her a him when not in her company.
Shows a lack of understanding (understandable, it's a topic most of us haven't dealt with before) and a lack of empathy (there's no need to refuse to respect her wishes just because we don't understand it - comes across as a bit nasty really).
Until he has it chopped off he's still a he. A very confused he, because he's always been more attracted to women. So if he decides to go all the way, he'll either transform into a Lesbian or have to rewire his brain as well in order to start fancying men more than women.
However you paint him and whatever cloths he wears, he's still a geezer. IMO. Very brave to come out and do the photo shoot though.
I think it's brave for any normal person to come out. However for a narcissistic fame hungry family who are reliant on being in the media to continue growing their wealth through nothing more than self promotion - no I don't think so.
I think I'd be in this camp. I struggle to comprehend the motivation and/or the sincerity of the actions of people that are famous for being famous. One could argue that he was the most famous of all of them, I mean he won an Olympic medal - and back in the 70s that was a bigger deal than it is today. The rest of them are known for the clothes they wear, the places they go to and on one instance (according to my wife) the shape/pattern of the downstairs hair cut.
Don't get me wrong, they are, clearly, very clever being able to make so much money for doing, literally, nothing of any worth, and of course i would love that kind of money. However, I find the whole family cringeworthy.
Maybe this chap has been tormented his whole life about his sexuality and if so then I'm very pleased for him if he now feels 'free' but I think it will always be questionable if this isn't just an attention grabbing stunt. From what I've heard (again from my wife and her sister) the girls do soft porn in the lads magazines and the 'step-dad' doesn't get that much media attention. Now he has this procedure and he's on the front page of Vanity Fair. Voila!
Since my wife and I separated the best thing for me is that I no longer have to have the crappy soaps on in my house and I never, ever have to watch 'reality tv' again, ever!
But you're not able to refer to her by her preferred pronoun?
Is it not a choice for KHA to make, regardless of your thoughts on the matter?
Yes it is. KHA has a choice as to whether he refers to Caitlyn as a "he" or a "she". Caitlyn has a preference a preference to be referred to with the feminine pronoun.
However, I have seen that KHA has answered my point really well and, at the same time started to refer to her with the pronoun she prefers.
Caitlyn/Bruce's preferences are irrelevant when it comes to someone's choice of reference towards her/him, unless they are in her/his company. Only then should her/his preferences be respected/acted upon.
Of course. It's more a respect thing. You can respect her wishes it you want to or if you don't want to.
If you don't wish to respect her wishes then that says more about you than her though in my opinion.
what about if you really don't give a shit either way*
*he says after reading an entire thread on it.......
The don't give a shit about it attitude id argue is a bit unempathetic.
If you really didn't give a shit, live and let live and all that, you'd call her a her because it would be what they wanted and you don't give a shit and therefore don't want to offend them (and if you don't wanna offend them, then deep down you do give a shit)
If you weren't giving a shit because it's unusual and you don't understand how a person would feel like that and deep down you feel uncomfortable thinking about it and find yourselves looking down subconsciously on her because she's a bit different of that - you wouldn't give a shit and would still call her a him.
There's PC gone mad and then there's purposely not being PC because deep down you don't empathise and don't care about it because they're different and you aren't. Two different things IMHO.
However you paint him and whatever cloths he wears, he's still a geezer. IMO. Very brave to come out and do the photo shoot though.
I think it's brave for any normal person to come out. However for a narcissistic fame hungry family who are reliant on being in the media to continue growing their wealth through nothing more than self promotion - no I don't think so.
I think I'd be in this camp. I struggle to comprehend the motivation and/or the sincerity of the actions of people that are famous for being famous. One could argue that he was the most famous of all of them, I mean he won an Olympic medal - and back in the 70s that was a bigger deal than it is today. The rest of them are known for the clothes they wear, the places they go to and on one instance (according to my wife) the shape/pattern of the downstairs hair cut.
Don't get me wrong, they are, clearly, very clever being able to make so much money for doing, literally, nothing of any worth, and of course i would love that kind of money. However, I find the whole family cringeworthy.
Maybe this chap has been tormented his whole life about his sexuality and if so then I'm very pleased for him if he now feels 'free' but I think it will always be questionable if this isn't just an attention grabbing stunt. From what I've heard (again from my wife and her sister) the girls do soft porn in the lads magazines and the 'step-dad' doesn't get that much media attention. Now he has this procedure and he's on the front page of Vanity Fair. Voila!
Since my wife and I separated the best thing for me is that I no longer have to have the crappy soaps on in my house and I never, ever have to watch 'reality tv' again, ever!
But you're not able to refer to her by her preferred pronoun?
Is it not a choice for KHA to make, regardless of your thoughts on the matter?
Yes it is. KHA has a choice as to whether he refers to Caitlyn as a "he" or a "she". Caitlyn has a preference a preference to be referred to with the feminine pronoun.
However, I have seen that KHA has answered my point really well and, at the same time started to refer to her with the pronoun she prefers.
Caitlyn/Bruce's preferences are irrelevant when it comes to someone's choice of reference towards her/him, unless they are in her/his company. Only then should her/his preferences be respected/acted upon.
Of course. It's more a respect thing. You can respect her wishes it you want to or if you don't want to.
If you don't wish to respect her wishes then that says more about you than her though in my opinion.
what about if you really don't give a shit either way*
*he says after reading an entire thread on it.......
The don't give a shit about it attitude id argue is a bit unempathetic.
If you really didn't give a shit, live and let live and all that, you'd call her a her because it would be what they wanted and you don't give a shit and therefore don't want to offend them (and if you don't wanna offend them, then deep down you do give a shit)
If you weren't giving a shit because it's unusual and you don't understand how a person would feel like that and deep down you feel uncomfortable thinking about it and find yourselves looking down subconsciously on her because she's a bit different of that - you wouldn't give a shit and would still call her a him.
There's PC gone mad and then there's purposely not being PC because deep down you don't empathise and don't care about it because they're different and you aren't. Two different things IMHO.
mate, if you want boobs and a mini, its ok, you dont need to prove anything to us.
However you paint him and whatever cloths he wears, he's still a geezer. IMO. Very brave to come out and do the photo shoot though.
I think it's brave for any normal person to come out. However for a narcissistic fame hungry family who are reliant on being in the media to continue growing their wealth through nothing more than self promotion - no I don't think so.
I think I'd be in this camp. I struggle to comprehend the motivation and/or the sincerity of the actions of people that are famous for being famous. One could argue that he was the most famous of all of them, I mean he won an Olympic medal - and back in the 70s that was a bigger deal than it is today. The rest of them are known for the clothes they wear, the places they go to and on one instance (according to my wife) the shape/pattern of the downstairs hair cut.
Don't get me wrong, they are, clearly, very clever being able to make so much money for doing, literally, nothing of any worth, and of course i would love that kind of money. However, I find the whole family cringeworthy.
Maybe this chap has been tormented his whole life about his sexuality and if so then I'm very pleased for him if he now feels 'free' but I think it will always be questionable if this isn't just an attention grabbing stunt. From what I've heard (again from my wife and her sister) the girls do soft porn in the lads magazines and the 'step-dad' doesn't get that much media attention. Now he has this procedure and he's on the front page of Vanity Fair. Voila!
Since my wife and I separated the best thing for me is that I no longer have to have the crappy soaps on in my house and I never, ever have to watch 'reality tv' again, ever!
But you're not able to refer to her by her preferred pronoun?
Is it not a choice for KHA to make, regardless of your thoughts on the matter?
Yes it is. KHA has a choice as to whether he refers to Caitlyn as a "he" or a "she". Caitlyn has a preference a preference to be referred to with the feminine pronoun.
However, I have seen that KHA has answered my point really well and, at the same time started to refer to her with the pronoun she prefers.
Caitlyn/Bruce's preferences are irrelevant when it comes to someone's choice of reference towards her/him, unless they are in her/his company. Only then should her/his preferences be respected/acted upon.
Of course. It's more a respect thing. You can respect her wishes it you want to or if you don't want to.
If you don't wish to respect her wishes then that says more about you than her though in my opinion.
what about if you really don't give a shit either way*
*he says after reading an entire thread on it.......
The don't give a shit about it attitude id argue is a bit unempathetic.
If you really didn't give a shit, live and let live and all that, you'd call her a her because it would be what they wanted and you don't give a shit and therefore don't want to offend them (and if you don't wanna offend them, then deep down you do give a shit)
If you weren't giving a shit because it's unusual and you don't understand how a person would feel like that and deep down you feel uncomfortable thinking about it and find yourselves looking down subconsciously on her because she's a bit different of that - you wouldn't give a shit and would still call her a him.
There's PC gone mad and then there's purposely not being PC because deep down you don't empathise and don't care about it because they're different and you aren't. Two different things IMHO.
mate, if you want boobs and a mini, its ok, you dont need to prove anything to us.
Im guessing you fall into the unempathetic category then!
I'm not gonna change anyone's mind on the subject, it comes down pretty much to your view on other people.
Being empathetic to her views (which I don't understand because I don't want boobs (I'll take the mini though, my car has just died)) doesn't mean I have to have a sex op! Just means I can rise above having a weird fear from a lack of understanding of the subject.
So it's okay to be judgemental towards everyone who isn't empathetic towards her plight?
That doesn't sound very empathetic.
Yeh pretty much. I'd rather be judgemental towards someone displaying an unempathetic viewpoint on someone else's personal struggle through a difficult life situation than be the person holding an unempathetic view on that person because they had judged them for having a struggle through a difficult life situation
However you paint him and whatever cloths he wears, he's still a geezer. IMO. Very brave to come out and do the photo shoot though.
I think it's brave for any normal person to come out. However for a narcissistic fame hungry family who are reliant on being in the media to continue growing their wealth through nothing more than self promotion - no I don't think so.
I think I'd be in this camp. I struggle to comprehend the motivation and/or the sincerity of the actions of people that are famous for being famous. One could argue that he was the most famous of all of them, I mean he won an Olympic medal - and back in the 70s that was a bigger deal than it is today. The rest of them are known for the clothes they wear, the places they go to and on one instance (according to my wife) the shape/pattern of the downstairs hair cut.
Don't get me wrong, they are, clearly, very clever being able to make so much money for doing, literally, nothing of any worth, and of course i would love that kind of money. However, I find the whole family cringeworthy.
Maybe this chap has been tormented his whole life about his sexuality and if so then I'm very pleased for him if he now feels 'free' but I think it will always be questionable if this isn't just an attention grabbing stunt. From what I've heard (again from my wife and her sister) the girls do soft porn in the lads magazines and the 'step-dad' doesn't get that much media attention. Now he has this procedure and he's on the front page of Vanity Fair. Voila!
Since my wife and I separated the best thing for me is that I no longer have to have the crappy soaps on in my house and I never, ever have to watch 'reality tv' again, ever!
But you're not able to refer to her by her preferred pronoun?
Is it not a choice for KHA to make, regardless of your thoughts on the matter?
Yes it is. KHA has a choice as to whether he refers to Caitlyn as a "he" or a "she". Caitlyn has a preference a preference to be referred to with the feminine pronoun.
However, I have seen that KHA has answered my point really well and, at the same time started to refer to her with the pronoun she prefers.
Caitlyn/Bruce's preferences are irrelevant when it comes to someone's choice of reference towards her/him, unless they are in her/his company. Only then should her/his preferences be respected/acted upon.
Of course. It's more a respect thing. You can respect her wishes it you want to or if you don't want to.
If you don't wish to respect her wishes then that says more about you than her though in my opinion.
what about if you really don't give a shit either way*
*he says after reading an entire thread on it.......
The don't give a shit about it attitude id argue is a bit unempathetic.
If you really didn't give a shit, live and let live and all that, you'd call her a her because it would be what they wanted and you don't give a shit and therefore don't want to offend them (and if you don't wanna offend them, then deep down you do give a shit)
If you weren't giving a shit because it's unusual and you don't understand how a person would feel like that and deep down you feel uncomfortable thinking about it and find yourselves looking down subconsciously on her because she's a bit different of that - you wouldn't give a shit and would still call her a him.
There's PC gone mad and then there's purposely not being PC because deep down you don't empathise and don't care about it because they're different and you aren't. Two different things IMHO.
mate, if you want boobs and a mini, its ok, you dont need to prove anything to us.
Im guessing you fall into the unempathetic category then!
I'm not gonna change anyone's mind on the subject, it comes down pretty much to your view on other people.
Being empathetic to her views (which I don't understand because I don't want boobs (I'll take the mini though, my car has just died)) doesn't mean I have to have a sex op! Just means I can rise above having a weird fear from a lack of understanding of the subject.
Not a weird fear, I think most can see him for what he is....a geezer in a dress.
However you paint him and whatever cloths he wears, he's still a geezer. IMO. Very brave to come out and do the photo shoot though.
I think it's brave for any normal person to come out. However for a narcissistic fame hungry family who are reliant on being in the media to continue growing their wealth through nothing more than self promotion - no I don't think so.
I think I'd be in this camp. I struggle to comprehend the motivation and/or the sincerity of the actions of people that are famous for being famous. One could argue that he was the most famous of all of them, I mean he won an Olympic medal - and back in the 70s that was a bigger deal than it is today. The rest of them are known for the clothes they wear, the places they go to and on one instance (according to my wife) the shape/pattern of the downstairs hair cut.
Don't get me wrong, they are, clearly, very clever being able to make so much money for doing, literally, nothing of any worth, and of course i would love that kind of money. However, I find the whole family cringeworthy.
Maybe this chap has been tormented his whole life about his sexuality and if so then I'm very pleased for him if he now feels 'free' but I think it will always be questionable if this isn't just an attention grabbing stunt. From what I've heard (again from my wife and her sister) the girls do soft porn in the lads magazines and the 'step-dad' doesn't get that much media attention. Now he has this procedure and he's on the front page of Vanity Fair. Voila!
Since my wife and I separated the best thing for me is that I no longer have to have the crappy soaps on in my house and I never, ever have to watch 'reality tv' again, ever!
But you're not able to refer to her by her preferred pronoun?
Is it not a choice for KHA to make, regardless of your thoughts on the matter?
Yes it is. KHA has a choice as to whether he refers to Caitlyn as a "he" or a "she". Caitlyn has a preference a preference to be referred to with the feminine pronoun.
However, I have seen that KHA has answered my point really well and, at the same time started to refer to her with the pronoun she prefers.
Caitlyn/Bruce's preferences are irrelevant when it comes to someone's choice of reference towards her/him, unless they are in her/his company. Only then should her/his preferences be respected/acted upon.
Of course. It's more a respect thing. You can respect her wishes it you want to or if you don't want to.
If you don't wish to respect her wishes then that says more about you than her though in my opinion.
what about if you really don't give a shit either way*
*he says after reading an entire thread on it.......
The don't give a shit about it attitude id argue is a bit unempathetic.
If you really didn't give a shit, live and let live and all that, you'd call her a her because it would be what they wanted and you don't give a shit and therefore don't want to offend them (and if you don't wanna offend them, then deep down you do give a shit)
If you weren't giving a shit because it's unusual and you don't understand how a person would feel like that and deep down you feel uncomfortable thinking about it and find yourselves looking down subconsciously on her because she's a bit different of that - you wouldn't give a shit and would still call her a him.
There's PC gone mad and then there's purposely not being PC because deep down you don't empathise and don't care about it because they're different and you aren't. Two different things IMHO.
mate, if you want boobs and a mini, its ok, you dont need to prove anything to us.
Im guessing you fall into the unempathetic category then!
I'm not gonna change anyone's mind on the subject, it comes down pretty much to your view on other people.
Being empathetic to her views (which I don't understand because I don't want boobs (I'll take the mini though, my car has just died)) doesn't mean I have to have a sex op! Just means I can rise above having a weird fear from a lack of understanding of the subject.
Not a weird fear, I think most can see him for what he is....a geezer in a dress.
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B. never shag it , but everyone thinks you have
Very brave to come out and do the photo shoot though.
Don't get me wrong, they are, clearly, very clever being able to make so much money for doing, literally, nothing of any worth, and of course I would love that kind of money. However, I find the whole family cringeworthy.
Maybe this chap has been tormented his whole life about his sexuality and if so then I'm very pleased for him if he now feels 'free' but I think it will always be questionable if this isn't just an attention grabbing stunt. From what I've heard (again from my wife and her sister) the girls do soft porn in the lads magazines and the 'step-dad' doesn't get that much media attention. Now he has this procedure and he's on the front page of Vanity Fair. Voila!
Since my wife and I separated the best thing for me is that I no longer have to have the crappy soaps on in my house and I never, ever have to watch 'reality tv' again, ever!
However, in answer to your question, I didn't even realise that I might have used the gender incorrectly. Maybe my lack of knowledge in the subject does, in fact, confirm that the answer to your question is no, I am not able to refer to her by her preferred pronoun, but it is not an intentional act, I can assure you.
However, I have seen that KHA has answered my point really well and, at the same time started to refer to her with the pronoun she prefers.
I remember The Current Bun ran the headline 'Man Gives Birth', only thing was, it was a women with stubble and a womb.
So a female then, living as a male.
Its a funny old world.
If you don't wish to respect her wishes then that says more about you than her though in my opinion.
*he says after reading an entire thread on it.......
Shows a lack of understanding (understandable, it's a topic most of us haven't dealt with before) and a lack of empathy (there's no need to refuse to respect her wishes just because we don't understand it - comes across as a bit nasty really).
If you really didn't give a shit, live and let live and all that, you'd call her a her because it would be what they wanted and you don't give a shit and therefore don't want to offend them (and if you don't wanna offend them, then deep down you do give a shit)
If you weren't giving a shit because it's unusual and you don't understand how a person would feel like that and deep down you feel uncomfortable thinking about it and find yourselves looking down subconsciously on her because she's a bit different of that - you wouldn't give a shit and would still call her a him.
There's PC gone mad and then there's purposely not being PC because deep down you don't empathise and don't care about it because they're different and you aren't. Two different things IMHO.
I'm not gonna change anyone's mind on the subject, it comes down pretty much to your view on other people.
Being empathetic to her views (which I don't understand because I don't want boobs (I'll take the mini though, my car has just died)) doesn't mean I have to have a sex op! Just means I can rise above having a weird fear from a lack of understanding of the subject.
That doesn't sound very empathetic.