***Naby Sarr signed on 5 year deal*** (Ed. Gone)

oohaahmortimer

LenGlover said:

We are a small side so the physical presence of a fit and firing Naby is a considerable asset.

Had it been anyone other than Millwall he wouldn't have got half the stick he has.

Nuhui 6ft 5.5 inches 
Sarr 6ft 5 inches 
Pratley 6ft 1 inch 
Fletcher 6ft 1inch 

for a centre half of Sarrs physique he should be imposing himself on these players , yet Pratley had to mark Nuhui for set pieces , ridiculous 

the pass in the first half when he hit it across to the west stand and it went straight off , not a Charlton player within 20 yards was horrendous 

he wasn’t alone in shit passing but that was a corker 

se9addick

Covered End said:

His passing was alright though. He found a player nearly every time.
The only problem was that it was a Sheff W player.
And don't mention that lovely pass for a throw in, it was only about 10 yards out.

You forgot about the times he kicked it directly off of the pitch. 

Thought he he was improving earlier this season but I really fear he’s just not up to it at this level. 

jonseventyfive

He seems to be to me what my old dad would call 'a gentle giant ' ,likeable but prone to costly errors. 

Dazzler21

Charlton_Stu said:

Oggy Red said:

We've got our scapegoat back.

He's a confidence player. Build him up and he'll play better.

In the ground no one gives him abuse which is right, but he is pretty shit, how many more mistakes can he make?

I’m sorry but that’s bullshit. He gets constant abuse from the stands... I swear some of you look forward to bashing him. 

Bedsaddick

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hoof_it_up_to_benty

Sarr was good in L1 but not so good in the Championship. He's not good enough in the air and seems to want too much time on the ball.

Lockyer and Pearce haven't been great either.

Sage

I’ve just watched the first half back as when we are on Sky Sports, I like to see it again from another angle and can analyse us more neutrally than I do at the game.
Sarr only gave the ball away twice in the whole of the first half, once to a Sheffield Wednesday player when trying to play the ball forward along the ground to Leko, the other when he tried a cross field pass to Matthews and it went out of play. Yet, he made the same cross field pass excellently only 7 minutes earlier.
I’ve already said about his positioning and body shape for the first goal, and it’s not good to be perfectly honest. But the cross should never have came in for starters and at least Bowyer can look back and specifically work on his starting positioning and show him this footage so he understands and can see where he needs to improve.
But to say he constantly gave the ball away just simply isn’t true. Okay, Morgan and Pratley play in midfield, but they gave the ball away 16 times combined in the first half. Sarr only twice and both were forward thinking passes.
It might not be to everyone’s liking and of course, no one has to do it, but sometimes I feel if we go back and watch things again, you’ll see it’s not as bad as many believe.
Let’s continue the support he got last season, build his confidence back up again and trust him more, because you can tell the players look towards him to get us playing. They clearly trust his ability with the ball, I think we should a little more too.
Of course there is still things he must work on and it’s attacking the ball with purpose and starting body shape that must improve, especially at this level. But that’s far easier to work on than someone who can’t play the way Bowyer wants us to play.

Dazzler21

Would love to watch back that game on Sky as I felt Sarr did fine and Leko was woeful.

AFKABartram

Oggy Red said:

We've got our scapegoat back.

He's a confidence player. Build him up and he'll play better.

How do you build him up though? No one criticises him at games, the opposite in fact. But he is clearly playing with a naivety and lack of confidence that is costing us and that we can’t carry when we are missing so many players.

He is a player that will excel when either playing as left of a back 3 when the other team only have 1 up front, or when we have 65% possession and the opposition are defensively dropping off into their own half. If he is pressed, he struggles, if he is up against pace he struggles, and in two recent games he has been outfought aerially that have cost us key goals.

Hes been a good character and well liked by fans, but he is proving not good enough at this level. And don’t forget he is still believe our highest earner.

Stig

I think for the most part, both were ok (fine seems a little too complimentary). Certainly not woeful. I think both would do better surrounded by first choice team mates. Despite his size, Sarr strikes me as someone who needs to be led by a more experienced defensive partner. Despite his skills, Leko needs to be accompanied by players who will anticipate his poor decision making. I'm happy for them to continue playing and will support them, but I'd be happier still if the new owners decide that theirs are positions where they'll look to make improvements. 

Sage

Dazzler21 said:

Would love to watch back that game on Sky as I felt Sarr did fine and Leko was woeful.

Leko was very good in moments and poor in others. The good is when he reacts on instinct, gets his head up quickly and releases the ball at the right time, he done that on multiple occasions in the first half. However, the poor side is when he holds onto the ball for longer than about 4 seconds, because by this time he over thinks and runs down into blind alleys, often losing the ball.

He’s a young player who is inconsistent, but one who if well coached has the ability to be a good and dangerous player, he just needs to play the game without hesitation and trying too much. He will get there.

RedChaser

I've defended Naby in the past and some of you may recall I briefly spoke to him on the train journey from Bradford back to Leeds a couple of seasons ago when he did a good job as stand in LB. What a thoroughly decent polite young man he was, therefore I have no axe to grind against him whether he's our highest paid  Driesen signing or not, it's simple defensive footballing ability at this level and the same mistakes aerially that keep repeating.
We know that he has improved a lot since his last spell in the Championship especially under the coaching of Bowyer who was on record, remember, wanting him to be more 'nasty' in the  challenge and he seemed to respond to this. Yes he is a big confidence player and whether it's the hangover from the missed penalty in the play off semi followed by the og in the final or the step up in quality to the Championship I know not but I do know that we can't keep persevering with a 6'5'' CB who is vulnerable in the air.
The same as Dillon his job is to stop goals and help to keep clean sheets, stuff being a ball juggler. Yes it's great that he can make fantastic defence splitting or pinpoint accuracy cross field balls or complete one hundred passes but that's no good if you can't do your basic defending job at the back'. Of course It's Hobson's choice at the moment with an 'if your fit you play' policy but come the January transfer window we desperately need another option at CB because notwithstanding their other attributes Pearce, Lockyer and Oshilaja don't give us that aerial presence IMO.

Talal

RedChaser said:

I've defended Naby in the past and some of you may recall I briefly spoke to him on the train journey from Bradford back to Leeds a couple of seasons ago when he did a good job as stand in LB. What a thoroughly decent polite young man he was, therefore I have no axe to grind against him whether he's our highest paid  Driesen signing or not, it's simple defensive footballing ability at this level and the same mistakes aerially that keep repeating.
We know that he has improved a lot since his last spell in the Championship especially under the coaching of Bowyer who was on record, remember, wanting him to be more 'nasty' in the  challenge and he seemed to respond to this. Yes he is a big confidence player and whether it's the hangover from the missed penalty in the play off semi followed by the og in the final or the step up in quality to the Championship I know not but I do know that we can't keep persevering with a 6'5'' CB who is vulnerable in the air.
The same as Dillon his job is to stop goals and help to keep clean sheets, stuff being a ball juggler. Yes it's great that he can make fantastic defence splitting or pinpoint accuracy cross field balls or complete one hundred passes but that's no good if you can't do your basic defending job at the back'. Of course It's Hobson's choice at the moment with an 'if your fit you play' policy but come the January transfer window we desperately need another option at CB because notwithstanding there other attributes Pearce, Lockyer and Oshilaja don't give us that aerial presence IMO.

Don't disagree with you but Oshilaja won a few headers against that giant gonzalez Nuhiu. Probably has a better leap than Sarr.

hoof_it_up_to_benty

Oshilaja makes a lot of poor passes - that seems to be his biggest weakness. He's physically strong and good at tackling.

RedChaser

Talal said:

RedChaser said:

I've defended Naby in the past and some of you may recall I briefly spoke to him on the train journey from Bradford back to Leeds a couple of seasons ago when he did a good job as stand in LB. What a thoroughly decent polite young man he was, therefore I have no axe to grind against him whether he's our highest paid  Driesen signing or not, it's simple defensive footballing ability at this level and the same mistakes aerially that keep repeating.
We know that he has improved a lot since his last spell in the Championship especially under the coaching of Bowyer who was on record, remember, wanting him to be more 'nasty' in the  challenge and he seemed to respond to this. Yes he is a big confidence player and whether it's the hangover from the missed penalty in the play off semi followed by the og in the final or the step up in quality to the Championship I know not but I do know that we can't keep persevering with a 6'5'' CB who is vulnerable in the air.
The same as Dillon his job is to stop goals and help to keep clean sheets, stuff being a ball juggler. Yes it's great that he can make fantastic defence splitting or pinpoint accuracy cross field balls or complete one hundred passes but that's no good if you can't do your basic defending job at the back'. Of course It's Hobson's choice at the moment with an 'if your fit you play' policy but come the January transfer window we desperately need another option at CB because notwithstanding there other attributes Pearce, Lockyer and Oshilaja don't give us that aerial presence IMO.

Don't disagree with you but Oshilaja won a few headers against that giant gonzalez Nuhiu. Probably has a better leap than Sarr.

Fair comment but he's got previous getting easily outmuscled at set pieces at Wigan 0-2 defeat the other month.

Sage

@Dazzler21 after watching the second half, Leko didn’t have a very good second half. Won a free kick in a dangerous area after making a good run with the ball, and he also had a great shot that went narrowly over when the game was at 2-1. Other than that, I counted that he lost the ball 8 times which is a lot in the little of the ball he did have.

CAFCOlly

I like Sarr, and he seems to be a personable guy that cares about the club and always tries his best. 

By all accounts, he's on a fair wedge, though, and I think this could be used better elsewhere. 

He's overly criticised IMHO and I agree that costly mistakes against Millwall especially have reinforced the idea that he's a liability (myself included to some extent).

Let him leave on a free in the summer, no bad blood. Tried his best, had some excellent games and some below-par games but that can be said for every player. 

Simonsen

CAFCOlly said:

I like Sarr, and he seems to be a personable guy that cares about the club and always tries his best. 

By all accounts, he's on a fair wedge, though, and I think this could be used better elsewhere. 

He's overly criticised IMHO and I agree that costly mistakes against Millwall especially have reinforced the idea that he's a liability (myself included to some extent).

Let him leave on a free in the summer, no bad blood. Tried his best, had some excellent games and some below-par games but that can be said for every player. 

I think that's very fair. I think he could go well in continental football, where there is a little less aerial play. 

We would miss his passing out style though (unless replaced). He feeds so many good balls into midfield and out to the left-wing (yesterday's goal started with one of those). 

Croydon

Oggy Red said:

We've got our scapegoat back.

He's a confidence player. Build him up and he'll play better.

We're a professional football club, not a daycare centre for athletes with fragile self belief.

harveys_gardener

Part of the vulnerability of our defence must be down to the revolving door of who plays there and whether it is a 3 or 4.  Sarr is not an ever present, nor is he playing with same partner every match. Bowyer and Jackson were midfielders and perhaps don't understand the importance of a settled back-line.

Morrison, and Taylor played nearly every match. 

Covered End

Dazzler21 said:

Charlton_Stu said:

Oggy Red said:

We've got our scapegoat back.

He's a confidence player. Build him up and he'll play better.

In the ground no one gives him abuse which is right, but he is pretty shit, how many more mistakes can he make?

I’m sorry but that’s bullshit. He gets constant abuse from the stands... I swear some of you look forward to bashing him. 

I suppose it depends where you sit. I heard one bloke shouting abuse today, but he's the only one I've ever heard in the Upper North.

Sage

harveys_gardener said:

Part of the vulnerability of our defence must be down to the revolving door of who plays there and whether it is a 3 or 4.  Sarr is not an ever present, nor is he playing with same partner every match. Bowyer and Jackson were midfielders and perhaps don't understand the importance of a settled back-line.

Morrison, and Taylor played nearly every match. 

To be fair, you do have a point. Yes, we have players who can’t play 3 games in a week, have had injuries etc. Up until now, Lockyer has been the only ever present, and that’s the whole team.
Do I think that the amount of changes (forced or not) has contributed to the amount of goals we are conceding at the moment? Yes, I think you’d have to say it is. 

Henry Irving

Sage said:

harveys_gardener said:

Part of the vulnerability of our defence must be down to the revolving door of who plays there and whether it is a 3 or 4.  Sarr is not an ever present, nor is he playing with same partner every match. Bowyer and Jackson were midfielders and perhaps don't understand the importance of a settled back-line.

Morrison, and Taylor played nearly every match. 

To be fair, you do have a point. Yes, we have players who can’t play 3 games in a week, have had injuries etc. Up until now, Lockyer has been the only ever present, and that’s the whole team.
Do I think that the amount of changes (forced or not) has contributed to the amount of goals we are conceding at the moment? Yes, I think you’d have to say it is. 

But to suggest the LB and JJ don't appreciate the benefits of a settled back four is laughable.

Dazzler21

Sage said:

@Dazzler21 after watching the second half, Leko didn’t have a very good second half. Won a free kick in a dangerous area after making a good run with the ball, and he also had a great shot that went narrowly over when the game was at 2-1. Other than that, I counted that he lost the ball 8 times which is a lot in the little of the ball he did have.

Cheers for the update, I was certain my eyes hadn't deceived me. I do try to give a fair opinion on all players and thought Leko had turned a corner last week, this week was a full regression. 

Shame for such a skillful player 

hoof_it_up_to_benty

Dazzler21 said:

Sage said:

@Dazzler21 after watching the second half, Leko didn’t have a very good second half. Won a free kick in a dangerous area after making a good run with the ball, and he also had a great shot that went narrowly over when the game was at 2-1. Other than that, I counted that he lost the ball 8 times which is a lot in the little of the ball he did have.

Cheers for the update, I was certain my eyes hadn't deceived me. I do try to give a fair opinion on all players and thought Leko had turned a corner last week, this week was a full regression. 

Shame for such a skillful player 

I thought Leko played very well in the first half and things didn't come off for him in the second half. He certainly doesn't deserve the level of criticism he gets as he at least tries to make things happen.

If he never tried anything and played safety first then his stats would appear better. Seems some are desperate to criticise him.

Dazzler21

hoof_it_up_to_benty said:

Dazzler21 said:

Sage said:

@Dazzler21 after watching the second half, Leko didn’t have a very good second half. Won a free kick in a dangerous area after making a good run with the ball, and he also had a great shot that went narrowly over when the game was at 2-1. Other than that, I counted that he lost the ball 8 times which is a lot in the little of the ball he did have.

Cheers for the update, I was certain my eyes hadn't deceived me. I do try to give a fair opinion on all players and thought Leko had turned a corner last week, this week was a full regression. 

Shame for such a skillful player 

I thought Leko played very well in the first half and things didn't come off for him in the second half. He certainly doesn't deserve the level of criticism he gets as he at least tries to make things happen.

If he never tried anything and played safety first then his stats would appear better. Seems some are desperate to criticise him.

 

I truly hope we can see more of the midweek Leko as there's a proper player there, but this is a thread about Sarr and if you replace Leko with Sarr in your text, barring the first goal you've  got the truth of many on this forum's treatment of Sarr... 

Simonsen

The cross was banged in first time by Bannon and that was key to Fletcher getting to it first. It was a brilliant downward header into the corner. 

Oggy Red

Croydon said:

Oggy Red said:

We've got our scapegoat back.

He's a confidence player. Build him up and he'll play better.

We're a professional football club, not a daycare centre for athletes with fragile self belief.

Football is a confidence game, it's played as much inside the head as it is with the feet.
The pressure to perform. Every success and every mistake analysed publicly to the nth degree.

There's not a player out there who has never struggled at times with self-belief issues.
Recently we've heard reports of players who have developed serious anxiety - to the point of contemplating suicide.

Even at Charlton. Marvin Sordell, for example. Here's one interview with him: 
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2019/jul/26/marvin-sordell-announces-retirement-football-mental-health

Daycare centre for athletes with fragile self belief, my arse. These are people we are talking about, real human beings with real feelings.
And with all the strengths and weaknesses of being human.

Six-a-bag-of-nuts

It seems to me that what Naby is lacking is the ruthless, bloody-minded will to win.
Pearce has it and yet you could argue that Naby is the more technically gifted player.
I take on board @Sage's informed suggestion that Naby's positioning was at fault for the first goal, but also to me it was a stark example of Naby needing to make that ball his.
We see it as well in an attacking context with our pathetic record of never making anything from our corners.
Naby is 6ft 5 - he should be virtually skittling opponents out of the way to get his head on the end of corners.
On the rare occasion our corners result in a goal it is usually Pearce that makes the difference.

Brown Bear

Six-a-bag-of-nuts said:

It seems to me that what Naby is lacking is the ruthless, bloody-minded will to win.
Pearce has it and yet you could argue that Naby is the more technically gifted player.
I take on board @Sage's informed suggestion that Naby's positioning was at fault for the first goal, but also to me it was a stark example of Naby needing to make that ball his.
We see it as well in an attacking context with our pathetic record of never making anything from our corners.
Naby is 6ft 5 - he should be virtually skittling opponents out of the way to get his head on the end of corners.
On the rare occasion our corners result in a goal it is usually Pearce that makes the difference.

This - all day long.

Unfortunately you can't coach agressiveness and assertiveness - which Naby lacks in abundance.

He is very much a reactive type of defender, rather than a proactive one that looks to get on the front foot.

As others have said, for a guy of his size, he is nowhere near strong enough in the air.