I do not blame Pardew for the Premiership relegation although 4 pts from the last 7 games sealed it after we had done so well to get clear of the bottom three. And despite his claims Bent was available for these games it was over the Jan/Feb period where he was injured along with Young. It was the next season where his buys lacked value. For example Gray, who despite his personal problems, had always been a journey man striker and to spend so much on him was stupid. The total money Pardew spent could so have been put to better use. For example Bailey was great value and a profit was made. The others?? But just as having only 4 strikers in our last Premiership season still rankles (Bent x 2, Lisbie and Fat bum) to start the 2008/09 season with only 2 centre halves was crazy? Now was Pardew told he could not have any more? Not sure but the squad had dreadful balance that season and only when Ward came in did we look more stable when it was too late. Still think Dowie was worse with all the expensive rubbish he signed: Faye, Walton, Traore, Diawara. Fat bum.
The thing that really got me about Pardew was his refusal to take any responsibility for the position he'd put us in. Towards the end he was criticising the players and the fans for the crap team he'd put together. The interesting thing is he's criticised Zaha and McCarthy quite publicly after their loss against Spurs. He just can't help himself, he's always got to deflect the blame and eventually it all catches up with him
as I recall we were looking decent to go up, then Andy Reid was sold, and that striker who couldn't score goals was bought to replace him, rather than a winger like Reid.. Pardew had no role in either of those affairs then particularly the latter?
The thing that really got me about Pardew was his refusal to take any responsibility for the position he'd put us in. Towards the end he was criticising the players and the fans for the crap team he'd put together. The interesting thing is he's criticised Zaha and McCarthy quite publicly after their loss against Spurs. He just can't help himself, he's always got to deflect the blame and eventually it all catches up with him
Pardew added: “When we got relegated the impact of that relegation wasn’t really made clear to me when I joined how financially damaging it was."
He missed out the bit that goes.... So I spent £2.5M on Varney, £1.1M on McLeod, £250K on Christensen, £1.25M on Gray and gawd knows how much on 1,000 loanees!
Has he forgotten he joined before we were relegated?
More to the point, did he just think, you know what, I won't bother trying to be successful for a few years, it will all be ok, as he frittered away our parachute money on that shower?
He performed really poorly when he joined us. I remember someone suggesting to me that he was burned out after the West Ham gig, and we got him at the wrong time. I think that's probably as good an explanation as you could wish for. The bloke comes across as a nob, and he did untold damage to our club - but he does seem to get players liking him and playing for him. Begrudgingly, he's done a fantastic job at Palace in a relatively short space of time. Obviously it takes 2 years before it all goes wrong for him mind...
as I recall we were looking decent to go up, then Andy Reid was sold, and that striker who couldn't score goals was bought to replace him, rather than a winger like Reid.. Pardew had no role in either of those affairs then particularly the latter?
Ironically I think our best performance that season was after Reid had left, against West Brom in the cup - possibly both games. Pace, power, skill - but he didn't stick with that team and it all unravelled.
The season he was sacked was a shambles and he deserved to go. Having said that if we had kept him instead of appointing Parky, we probably would have done better AND saved that £1m(?) payoff...
The season he was sacked was a shambles and he deserved to go. Having said that if we had kept him instead of appointing Parky, we probably would have done better AND saved that £1m(?) payoff...
The season he was sacked was a shambles and he deserved to go. Having said that if we had kept him instead of appointing Parky, we probably would have done better AND saved that £1m(?) payoff...
We were doomed either way that year.
If we had appointed a 3rd party, maybe we might have stayed up?
He forget to mention how he treated long serving staff member like shit
If Charlton fans don't like him because of his character I can understand it. But I don't get the hatred over his management. He came in when we were in a mess and failed to turn it around We don't hate Les Reed and he failed in the same thing. I think he would have got it right eventually for us, and had he started the season instead of Dowie I think we would have stayed up.
As a player he was okay for us, I get that he will always be Palace but the club did choose to sign him. He could be the next England manager and that could be Palace's eventual downfall.
...The year we were relegated from the second division no one had any idea (I mean fans, mainly) that the club were going to asset strip the squad that summer. Waggott was promising the club were going to make a real go for it - they even offered a free Premier League season ticket if we did go up to all those that bought that season! Pardew claims that he didn't know the club were going to have to sell to raise that summer (this could be a lie) but I, personally, was horrified when I heard that we were going to sell any and all players that we could get money for. Ignoring how much money Pardew had 'encouraged' the board to sell the season before, I don't think you can blame him for a relegation when his best players were sold. He also left after we lost to Sheffield United in November and we were just two points below Watford with 28 games to play. The two teams below us at that time both stayed up that season so there is an argument that there was plenty of time to get us out of trouble...
With hindsight, that's a pretty easy offer to make if you know you're going to sell your best players.
He forget to mention how he treated long serving staff member like shit
If Charlton fans don't like him because of his character I can understand it. But I don't get the hatred over his management. He came in when we were in a mess and failed to turn it around We don't hate Les Reed and he failed in the same thing. I think he would have got it right eventually for us, and had he started the season instead of Dowie I think we would have stayed up.
As a player he was okay for us, I get that he will always be Palace but the club did choose to sign him. He could be the next England manager and that could be Palace's eventual downfall.
Pardew, manager of Newcastle, then Palace, possible England manager. Reed, highly regarded head of academy at Southampton Parkinson, popular manager of Bradford
I've always thought the hatred towards him from Charlton fans was a bit over the top and forced. I don't really care for him that much these days. Somebody, somewhere down the line was going to be in charge of us when we were relegated from the Premier League, as we were never going to be there forever. It just happened to be him.
Yes, he would make excuses after losing games but then again many managers do.
The 'hate' towards him reminds me of the sort of abuse the likes of Darren Ambrose got from us after joining Palace, just all a little bit forced.
We've found our way back to the Championship, probably where we belong in the natural order of things and that blip with Pardew/Dowie has passed.
I don't get the hate at all - it all seems very bitter without much proven substance. Reed screwed us over in the sense that his spell sent us down. Pardew was very good for us in the prem and would have kept us up had he come in 2 months earlier. We are not the first and won't be the last team who don't bounce back straight away - there wasnt the same astronomical parachute payments back then and so Varney (not a disaster anyway), McCarthy (proven at that level since at Palace), Weaver (we have had far worse at GK) were not calamities. McLeod was a blot, but then Dowie was the one who lumbered us with Faye etc.
The hate from some fans reminds me of someone who got dumped by a bird and is all bitter at seeing her happily married with kids years later whilst they are stuck on their own with only television x for company.
He forget to mention how he treated long serving staff member like shit
Correct (I wasn't one of them) to the extent that quite senior staff were delighted when fans protested behind the stand to get him sacked. They loathed him because of the way he behaved privately.
Those who want to speak up for him should review the 2008/09 season and consider if a large pay-off being written into a contract is always a sensible thing.
It would have all worked just fine if we done as he suggested and moved the away fans out of the jimmy seed stand and then stopped clapping ex players before matches - t*sser
The word c*ckwomble was invented for people like Pardew.
His half a season in the PL with us, as some point out, was good enough to keep us up if he had come into the club earlier.
What I won't ever defend is what came after that. Our second relegation sits squarely on his shoulders. You only have to look at the squad he left behind. One centre half and the stand out player was Nicky Bailey.
He forget to mention how he treated long serving staff member like shit
If Charlton fans don't like him because of his character I can understand it. But I don't get the hatred over his management. He came in when we were in a mess and failed to turn it around We don't hate Les Reed and he failed in the same thing. I think he would have got it right eventually for us, and had he started the season instead of Dowie I think we would have stayed up.
As a player he was okay for us, I get that he will always be Palace but the club did choose to sign him. He could be the next England manager and that could be Palace's eventual downfall.
Did you miss the part where he was central in dragging us down to League One? If you think we were a mess when Pardew came in we were an infinitely greater one when he left and that was entirely down to his management style and his horrendous showing in the transfer market. If Pardew had just failed to keep us in the Premiership and then gone he would be a footnote. Instead he completely decimated our team and our finances and then dug his heels in to get his payout as we went from promotion hopefuls to relegations certainties. When you say Pardew would have eventually got it right, do you mean in League One?
These Personal attacks On Pardew sound like Sour grapes and childish ? The big nosed, arrogant, skirt chasing knob, and Warlingham Wanker has gone now; please can we start to show some class.
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More to the point, did he just think, you know what, I won't bother trying to be successful for a few years, it will all be ok, as he frittered away our parachute money on that shower?
He performed really poorly when he joined us. I remember someone suggesting to me that he was burned out after the West Ham gig, and we got him at the wrong time. I think that's probably as good an explanation as you could wish for. The bloke comes across as a nob, and he did untold damage to our club - but he does seem to get players liking him and playing for him. Begrudgingly, he's done a fantastic job at Palace in a relatively short space of time. Obviously it takes 2 years before it all goes wrong for him mind...
EFF OFF AND DIE YOU ARROGANT WASTEFUL TWATHEAD.
*and breathe*
I think we can finish 12th and win lots of money for soapbox sam
13th and back to selling the big issue with next doors dog and that old blanket.
It's a division of two halves.
Would i have more chance of winning by going into a casino and betting on red or Black.
As a player he was okay for us, I get that he will always be Palace but the club did choose to sign him. He could be the next England manager and that could be Palace's eventual downfall.
Reed, highly regarded head of academy at Southampton
Parkinson, popular manager of Bradford
Alan Curbishley, doing the odd bit of TV work
It's a funny ole world...
Yes, he would make excuses after losing games but then again many managers do.
The 'hate' towards him reminds me of the sort of abuse the likes of Darren Ambrose got from us after joining Palace, just all a little bit forced.
We've found our way back to the Championship, probably where we belong in the natural order of things and that blip with Pardew/Dowie has passed.
The hate from some fans reminds me of someone who got dumped by a bird and is all bitter at seeing her happily married with kids years later whilst they are stuck on their own with only television x for company.
Those who want to speak up for him should review the 2008/09 season and consider if a large pay-off being written into a contract is always a sensible thing.
His half a season in the PL with us, as some point out, was good enough to keep us up if he had come into the club earlier.
What I won't ever defend is what came after that. Our second relegation sits squarely on his shoulders. You only have to look at the squad he left behind. One centre half and the stand out player was Nicky Bailey.
The big nosed, arrogant, skirt chasing knob, and Warlingham Wanker has gone now; please can we start to show some class.