It's not you, its me..
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The circularity isn't being driven by the fans, though, is it? It's a reaction to events, which are themselves repetitive. We all tend to over-react to the last result and that has always been true, but what it is new is the number of people who feel they are losing their affinity with the club. It's very easy to say that it's modern football or about commercialisation, but the club has not been "modernised' or "commercialised" significantly in the last two years and these sentiments weren't really being expressed prior to 2014, so it's a reasonable conclusion that it relates to the present ownership. The fact some people don't feel that way or don't accept that conclusion doesn't change that fact that others do.stonewallpenalty said:
It was an exaggeration.MrLargo said:
Think you're missing the point. Don't recall anyone demanding that before Roland turned up.stonewallpenalty said:
In fairness though it was hardley Champions League and annual trips to Wembley before they took over.oohaahmortimer said:I don't hate Roland, I dislike his current approach to our club because it is eroding my passion for our club , which pre his ownership would have been unthinkable and I don't think I'm on my own
Point being we were just as crap without them yet some only lose their passion when its a foreign owner.
Passion doesn't come from who owns the club. They all do it different ways.
If you look back pre Brentford at home last season it was the same old stuff. Then we started blitzing teams and the Roland lovers were all you could hear.
A couple of wins and it all goes away again until we start losing again and round and round we go.13 -
Good to see you back Curbs....stonewallpenalty said:
Fair enough. I get that from your posts. But i still feel many get too low when we are losing and too high when we are winning.oohaahmortimer said:
Don't worry it's there with me win or lose and I presume quite a few others who love Charlton no matter what and just get on with itstonewallpenalty said:
A couple of wins and it all goes away again until we start losing again and round and round we go.
the lucky ones are those that don't feel as detached from our club as I currently do
and no one would have ever been in to Charlton more than me , plenty would have been in to us as much as me but no one more so6 -
religiously... chore... love... apathy... betrayed... pain
If I suffered an existential crisis supporting a club I'd probably stop going; but then I never would because I realise it's only a bloody game of football whoever's running the show.
Pull yourself together,man.
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I think that it is the point but it is very much the way with modern football - especially outside the top flight and is reflected by the way that the management/playing squad changes so quickly.petetheaddick said:I've seen a lot worse Charlton teams than the current one, but I felt connected to them, their pain was also mine. Don't have that feeling anymore .
Back in the 70s you could reasonably expect 75%-80% of the previous years squad to still be at the Club the following season. Now it's probably nearer to the 30%-40% mark so, by the time two seasons have elapsed, just a few are left. In our case, probably only Jackson, Solly and Cousins had actually played for us two years ago and JJ is hardly part of the "playing" squad now.
I would actually liken this to my attitude to horse racing. With the flat the very best horses very often only run in total half a dozen times before they are sent off to stud. With the jumps a horse might run in National Hunt flat races, then hurdles and then chasing and run 50 plus races in his or her potential 8-10 year career. The former are here today and gone tomorrow whereas the latter you look forward to returning each year.1 -
Well you say that now but I bet in the past when we've lost games with other teams you've been shaking your fist, and frothing from the mouth like a duck with a hernia, screaming for the manager's head.petetheaddick said:I've seen a lot worse Charlton teams than the current one, but I felt connected to them, their pain was also mine. Don't have that feeling anymore .
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Most certainly but again times were different as managers didn't change as rapidly as they do nowadays so they were given time to turn things around and for want of a better phrase become part of the furniture.cafcnick1992 said:
Well you say that now but I bet in the past when we've lost games with other teams you've been shaking your fist, and frothing from the mouth like a duck with a hernia, screaming for the manager's head.petetheaddick said:I've seen a lot worse Charlton teams than the current one, but I felt connected to them, their pain was also mine. Don't have that feeling anymore .
Look at our history - in the 86 years between 1920 and 2006 we had 16 managers. In the last nine years we've had nine!0 -
I'm quite the opposite to you Pete
gave up my ST 4/5 years ago but have really got the bug back now
will prob get a half st at christmas!2 -
What evidence do you have for this comment? I think Roland has got into football because of the community supporting a local club. He has shown that with various investments.oohaahmortimer said:he doesn't give appear to give a flying f**k about the fans at least Murray and co appeared to have some empathy towards us
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This 100%ShootersHillGuru said:I have been a regular since 1961. In all honesty pretty much all those years bar the Curbs era the team and very often the club as well have how shall I put it been pretty shit.
We lost our home because it was an unsafe eyesore of a dump. We've had very little to cheer about so when Murray and Curbs and Varney worked their magic I think we all thought that we could go on to remain in the top flight. It didn't work out apart from those magical years of beating the best and seeing Phoenix Valley grow into the fine stadium it currently is.
I'm happy that the club is financially secure first and foremost. We are at the level that I've supported Charlton the most. Not too much has changed in that respect since 1961.
The club is in safe hands. Not spending money we don't have and not owned by some crook or shyster.
For now I'm happy that I can see a little progress. RD gets my support unless things change.0 -
Why? I don't get this at all. You love the club/team, not the owners.petetheaddick said:I've seen a lot worse Charlton teams than the current one, but I felt connected to them, their pain was also mine. Don't have that feeling anymore .
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Wait till you start going again, you'll soon remember why you stopped......creepyaddick said:I'm quite the opposite to you Pete
gave up my ST 4/5 years ago but have really got the bug back now
will prob get a half st at christmas!8 -
The "truths" that his CEO comes out with are about as believable as Sepp Blatter.altrinchamaddick said:
What evidence do you have for this comment? I think Roland has got into football because of the community supporting a local club. He has shown that with various investments.oohaahmortimer said:he doesn't give appear to give a flying f**k about the fans at least Murray and co appeared to have some empathy towards us
The main issue though is his lack of footballing ambition. He has never, as far as I'm aware, stated that he has an ambition for our club to progress. He has never said that he craves footballing success.
He has however stated that he wants us to break even and develop players to sell them in order to break even.
We want a bit of passion, we want a dream, we want a team to be proud of.
It's RD's perogative not to provide this, as he is the owner.
But he bought us as an experiment, to prove to himself that he could achieve, what virtually no one else could.
Run an English club at break even, whilst I suppose keeping an even keel.
Unless you have a huge slice of luck it cannot be done.
The clubs that break even usually get relegated.
RD is a misguided, very intelligent, lack of common sense fool.
It has nothing to do with him being foreign for me. I'd feel exactly the same if he was English with the same bonkers "plan".
In the short/medium term, we are more likely to have the best Academy and Category 1 status in League 1, than challenging clubs of similar stature such as Palace, Norwich & Swansea in The Prem.
This week Palace, Norwich & Swansea fans can excited about which Prem team they are playing at the weekend.
How can we get as excited that we have a good pitch and the possibility of a new training ground, to develop players that we probably won't see play for more than a season, before they are sold, in a vein attempt to break even.
If a pitch and training ground are as exciting then we need not bother with a team. We can just sit and watch the grass grow.
The frustration is that he has the money to potentially achieve football success (in Charlton terms), but this is not what he wants.
Ok, I'd rather have him than Jimenez and Slater, who were chancers, that ran out of someone else's money. But it's difficult to get enthused about a football club that is not looking for football success.
NB I'll still never miss a home game & go to plenty of aways.
I love Charlton far more than RD ever could or will, just like many many posters on here.
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I suppose when you can go from this to jumping about after a late winner vs. Hull - the Charlton bug is catchable.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qroJLsECsFY 3 -
THIS.altrinchamaddick said:
Why? I don't get this at all. You love the club/team, not the owners.petetheaddick said:I've seen a lot worse Charlton teams than the current one, but I felt connected to them, their pain was also mine. Don't have that feeling anymore .
We had the Gliksten family for 50 odd years.
The only time we didn't look to sell players was under Richard Murray,
Until Scott Parker had his head turned by the Russian money.
Roland Duchatelet in not the best owner we had ?
but he's far from the worst. ( so far in his tenure )
After seeing Roland's views on the world it's no wonder Katrien found it difficult to get across his master plan.
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I agree with those who have said its a general thing. I am much less bothered about football than I used to be. I barely watch televised footie nowadays. I do still very much enjoy going to the valley and the soap opera that is Charlton, but I must admit whereas a year or two ago I'd have been tearing my hair out last saturday night after Cardiff, this week I just shrugged my shoulders and moved on. I quite like the fact that RD is trying to do something different to the obscene spend it and weep scenario that seems to pervade these days. The trouble is, as Blackadder would say, I suspect his plan is bollocks. We'll see. A relegation struggle will be more compelling than mid table mediocrity, but I'm not sure I have another league 1 campaign in me.6
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For me they have brought a different split. I love the club (its history, its fans and the valley) not the owner and his team.altrinchamaddick said:
Why? I don't get this at all. You love the club/team, not the owners.petetheaddick said:I've seen a lot worse Charlton teams than the current one, but I felt connected to them, their pain was also mine. Don't have that feeling anymore .
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Whatever happened to Richard Murray, he is still chairman and used to talk to the fans, or has RD told him not to say anything unless told what to say by him?1
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He is non executive Chairman, which means he has about as much power/clout as you or I.ross1 said:Whatever happened to Richard Murray, he is still chairman and used to talk to the fans, or has RD told him not to say anything unless told what to say by him?
Yes he was retained as a possible English mouthpiece/spokesperson and maybe to give a view, but that's about it.0 -
But he never says anything, except at Henry's meetingsCovered End said:
He is non executive Chairman, which means he has about as much power/clout as you or I.ross1 said:Whatever happened to Richard Murray, he is still chairman and used to talk to the fans, or has RD told him not to say anything unless told what to say by him?
Yes he was retained as a possible English mouthpiece/spokesperson and maybe to give a view, but that's about it.0 -
I'm not sure he has even been to a Bromley meeting since the takeover. For many years he used to do a Q&A at the end of the season for Bromleyross1 said:
But he never says anything, except at Henry's meetingsCovered End said:
He is non executive Chairman, which means he has about as much power/clout as you or I.ross1 said:Whatever happened to Richard Murray, he is still chairman and used to talk to the fans, or has RD told him not to say anything unless told what to say by him?
Yes he was retained as a possible English mouthpiece/spokesperson and maybe to give a view, but that's about it.1 -
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I can easily see how you feel. I struggled to get any enthusiasm when we got a couple of wins at the start of the season. I'll always renew and my love for the club won't go but my enthusiasm has been on the fritz for years.
Being used as a belgians social experiment hasn't helped neither has us being pussies and rollig over in every meaningful game in memory (2011/12 excepted) I've been loathe to put anything on here because I know how it reads. Like I'm having a tantrum and throwing my toys around.
I'm not, I have only been going to football for at least since 2009 purely for a beer with my mates I can easily see why people, loyal people like @oohaahmortimer are at their wits end.
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No matter how bad things get I just keep reminding myself I will be going to our club a lot longer than RD and KM or whatever owner is in charge will be there.
You have to have bad times to appreciate the good!3 -
What @Carter is politely trying to say is you all need to start drinking with me to rescue the 'match day experience'Carter said:
I'm not, I have only been going to football for at least since 2009 purely for a beer with my mates I can easily see why people, loyal people like @oohaahmortimer are at their wits end.
Cheers mate.
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Probably the latter.ross1 said:Whatever happened to Richard Murray, he is still chairman and used to talk to the fans, or has RD told him not to say anything unless told what to say by him?
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And you'd be 100% correct. The main brace has to be spliced occasionally to raise morale though.JohnnyH2 said:No matter how bad things get I just keep reminding myself I will be going to our club a lot longer than RD and KM or whatever owner is in charge will be there.
You have to have bad times to appreciate the good!
I will say I always appreciated Richard Murray, Derek Ufton etc without really knowing what they did (I don't know any of them personally to guess at that) because I think anyone with money would have to be mental to put it into a football club so for the times we had under them ill always be appreciative but a lot of moving parts also had to come together to give us them good times2 -
You buying then AFKA? Could get expensive very quickly :-)AFKABartram said:
What @Carter is politely trying to say is you all need to start drinking with me to rescue the 'match day experience'Carter said:
I'm not, I have only been going to football for at least since 2009 purely for a beer with my mates I can easily see why people, loyal people like @oohaahmortimer are at their wits end.
Cheers mate.0 -
You know, I think actually we started to lose affinity in Pardew's second year, and League One didn't help anyone. When Powell arrived, almost by accident, he brought a certain hope that 'Charlton are back'. I think his sacking felt appalling, not so much because we'd lost a manager we liked - that happens all the time - but because perhaps that hope for the Charlton we once knew finally evaporated.killer kish said:The Roland hate doesn't have to be mentioned as I comes across in most comments now without names being mentioned and these falling out of love with Charlton comments have only happened and the Roland reign and Powell sacking
Maybe it needed to die, maybe it was inevitable - but I guess we have a choice really: fall in love with the new Charlton these guys are putting together, or walk away. I don't feel quite the same anymore to be honest, but I have getting older and other things like a 9 month old daughter to change my worldview. I guess for some the new Charlton, well - in the words of the king - "she's not you".1 -
The opposite of love is not hate but indifference
- Elie Wiesel1 -
Point of order. They are not "Henry's" meetings. They are Bromley Addicks meetings of which I am just one of the committee members. I just publicise them.ross1 said:
But he never says anything, except at Henry's meetingsCovered End said:
He is non executive Chairman, which means he has about as much power/clout as you or I.ross1 said:Whatever happened to Richard Murray, he is still chairman and used to talk to the fans, or has RD told him not to say anything unless told what to say by him?
Yes he was retained as a possible English mouthpiece/spokesperson and maybe to give a view, but that's about it.
And RM also did Q & As for years for VIPs, shareholders, other supporters groups and even a secret one for the Trust, not just Bromley.0 -
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