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  • Leuth
    Leuth Posts: 23,314
    queensland_addick said:

    The brilliant Milo Yiannopoulos

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  • Addick Addict
    Addick Addict Posts: 39,767
    We now have snipers picking off Police Officers following demonstrations about the shooting of innocent black men by law enforcement officers.

    So the circle of killing and hate continues.
  • JiMMy 85
    JiMMy 85 Posts: 10,193
    Series of amateur footage videos of shooting and mass confusion here:

    https://www.reddit.com/r/news/comments/4rsb4k/shots_fired_at_dallas_protests/d53pyr5?st=iqdcgz1y&sh=21230d82

    The one where the sniper walks up behind an apparent cop is almost unbelievable.

  • WSS
    WSS Posts: 25,070
    This is ridiculous.
  • Huskaris
    Huskaris Posts: 9,848
    If those police had more guns and everyone around them had more guns and they gave all the children guns this could have been avoided....

    A country that shares little more than a language with us.
  • Henry Irving
    Henry Irving Posts: 85,221
    An eye for an eye leaves the whole world blind.

    RIP to all those who have died

  • SDAddick
    SDAddick Posts: 14,467
    From about a week ago, before the latest round of shootings of black men Philando Castile and Alton Sterling:

    http://www.bet.com/video/betawards/2016/acceptance-speeches/jesse-williams-receives-humanitarian-award.html
  • ValleyGary
    ValleyGary Posts: 37,978
    There's a photo on Twitter of blacklivesmatter protesters yesterday, and one guy has a massive fuck off assault rifle strapped across his body and this is LEGAL???

    I mean....what???!!!!
  • Huskaris
    Huskaris Posts: 9,848
    ValleyGary said:

    There's a photo on Twitter of blacklivesmatter protesters yesterday, and one guy has a massive fuck off assault rifle strapped across his body and this is LEGAL???

    I mean....what???!!!!

    It's called freedom. Clearly we are oppressed and don't realise it.

    This whole concept of "freedom" and the constitution, at a time when firing a gun would take a minute to reload afterwards is the reason America is such a fucked up country. Combine that with a large amount of racist tensions, bigotry and ignorance and you have the greatest nation on earth.
  • nth_london_addick
    nth_london_addick Posts: 35,919
    It's a terrible situation for a nation to find themselves in as the copy cat element will no doubt kick in

    It is quite difficult to understand and comprehend but it's also quite difficult for me to find a level of sympathy towards the police force in the US, the killing of the poor guy in the car Infront of a child and his partner is quite simply one of the most heartbreaking things I have seen

    The police in America seemingly have a virtually impossible task but you can not ask a man to give you id and then shoot him Infront of a 4yr old child because of a broken tail light

    Enough is enough surely American police officers are killing people out of fear or is it out of racist behaviour
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  • nth_london_addick
    nth_london_addick Posts: 35,919
    136 black people killed by American police officers this year

    One a day nearly, something ain't right
  • Valiantphil
    Valiantphil Posts: 6,410
    Obama is too busy shuffling the order of US trade deals to pay attention to the biggest challenge facing the USA.
    The fella is a joke.
  • WSS
    WSS Posts: 25,070
    Valiantphil said:

    Obama is too busy shuffling the order of US trade deals to pay attention to the biggest challenge facing the USA.
    The fella is a joke.

    Are you saying that Obama is not paying attention or passionate about gun laws in the US? Seriously?
  • hoof_it_up_to_benty
    hoof_it_up_to_benty Posts: 22,443
    Hopefully Trump can get the Presidency and give the NRA a greater say in Government policy over guns. He can also sort out the racism issue with some of his famed diplomacy.
    Totally f***ing mental state of affairs.... When will it end?
  • Dazzler21
    Dazzler21 Posts: 51,344
    edited July 2016
    nth london addick said:

    136 black people killed by American police officers this year

    One a day nearly, something ain't right

    500 plus roughly this year killed by Police.

    Those are a mix of all races etc yet no one else is taking up arms?

    Violence is not the answer. Though Racism exists I fear it is being used a bit as an excuse here. You have around 400 that weren't "black".
  • Leroy Ambrose
    Leroy Ambrose Posts: 14,436
    edited July 2016
    Valiantphil said:

    Obama is too busy shuffling the order of US trade deals to pay attention to the biggest challenge facing the USA.
    The fella is a joke.

    I think you'll find he has simply given up, because he knows that you can't even have a reasonable debate about gun control. You cant accuse him of not trying.
  • hoof_it_up_to_benty
    hoof_it_up_to_benty Posts: 22,443
    Dazzler21 said:

    nth london addick said:

    136 black people killed by American police officers this year

    One a day nearly, something ain't right

    500 plus roughly this year killed by Police.

    Those are a mix of all races etc yet no one else is taking up arms?

    Violence is not the answer. Though Racism exists I fear it is being used a bit as an excuse here. You have around 400 that weren't "black".
    Racism is a huge issue in the way the police operate in the States - just reflects the view in society. Violence may not be the answer but the politicians don't really address the issues.
    If issues aren't addressed the cycle will continue.
    Only a fool would argue that blacks and whites get equal treatment from the police.
  • Huskaris
    Huskaris Posts: 9,848
    A combination of racism and inherent fear whenever someone doesn't have their hands in 100% sight because guns are absolutely everywhere... not a good mix...
  • Fiiiiiish
    Fiiiiiish Posts: 1,671
    What an absolute mess.

    Innocent men killed followed by innocent police.

    Clinton or Trump to come in and "solve" this problem.....so that means things will get worse.
  • Chizz
    Chizz Posts: 28,331
    Cops shoot at snipers who were shooting at cops at a protest against cops shooting people.

    One day, the people of America will get it. But not yet, it appears.
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  • Dazzler21
    Dazzler21 Posts: 51,344
    edited July 2016
    hoof_it_up_to_benty said:

    Dazzler21 said:

    nth london addick said:

    136 black people killed by American police officers this year

    One a day nearly, something ain't right

    500 plus roughly this year killed by Police.

    Those are a mix of all races etc yet no one else is taking up arms?

    Violence is not the answer. Though Racism exists I fear it is being used a bit as an excuse here. You have around 400 that weren't "black".
    Racism is a huge issue in the way the police operate in the States - just reflects the view in society. Violence may not be the answer but the politicians don't really address the issues.
    If issues aren't addressed the cycle will continue.
    Only a fool would argue that blacks and whites get equal treatment from the police.
    Luckily that wasn't my argument. My argument is those other 400+ are not reacting by killing back.

    How do they know they are killing racist officers?

    What about all the officers that are there genuinely to 'Protect and serve'?

    Do they deserve to die too?

    I know it is a majority in the U.S that are over zealous or aggressive in handling certain people. They are usually either racist or scared that there is a gun waiting to be drawn.

    The police officer in the live stream video after just shooting the black chap who reached for his pocket sounded terrified.
  • 1StevieG
    1StevieG Posts: 10,964
    Valiantphil said:

    Obama is too busy shuffling the order of US trade deals to pay attention to the biggest challenge facing the USA.
    The fella is a joke.

    Americans are so paranoid that any mention of gun controls means that the government are going to take away their guns. I think Obama tried to get some small changes brought in like the amount of bullets a gun can shoot and people owning high powered machine guns like the AR15 and these were flatly rejected!
  • Valiantphil
    Valiantphil Posts: 6,410
    WSS said:

    Valiantphil said:

    Obama is too busy shuffling the order of US trade deals to pay attention to the biggest challenge facing the USA.
    The fella is a joke.

    Are you saying that Obama is not paying attention or passionate about gun laws in the US? Seriously?
    He has cited it as his number one concern - but to what effect ?
    Probably too busy worrying about the Brexit vote.
  • ken_shabby
    ken_shabby Posts: 6,255
    edited July 2016
    1. Obama tries to bring in laws to control guns and stem the number of shootings in the USA.
    2. The Republican party blocks any change no matter how cosmetic.
    3. The killing goes on.
    4. People claim Obama is inefective.

    Unique
  • hoof_it_up_to_benty
    hoof_it_up_to_benty Posts: 22,443
    We have our fair share of nutters in the UK - imagine if they were all armed!
  • seth plum
    seth plum Posts: 53,448
    edited July 2016
    As soon as any event has degrees of separation either due to time or comments, the original even somehow becomes diminished.
    However I watched the video of the girlfriend in the car and there, in it's raw form, is something truly shocking.
  • SomervilleAddick
    SomervilleAddick Posts: 3,575
    ken_shabby said:

    1. Obama tries to bring in laws to control guns and stem the number of shootings in the USA.
    2. The Republican party blocks any change no matter how cosmetic.
    3. The killing goes on.
    4. People claim Obama is inefective.

    Unique

    I think a lot of people don't understand what powers the President does and doesn't have. In this case there's nothing he can really do except try and encourage Congress to do something. The President can veto bills, but he can't make them, and he can't override the Supreme Courts interpretation of the Constitution
  • SDAddick
    SDAddick Posts: 14,467
    SomervilleAddick said:

    ken_shabby said:

    1. Obama tries to bring in laws to control guns and stem the number of shootings in the USA.
    2. The Republican party blocks any change no matter how cosmetic.
    3. The killing goes on.
    4. People claim Obama is inefective.

    Unique

    I think a lot of people don't understand what powers the President does and doesn't have. In this case there's nothing he can really do except try and encourage Congress to do something. The President can veto bills, but he can't make them, and he can't override the Supreme Courts interpretation of the Constitution
    Right, and given there is a Republican congress, he has little control over what congress does.

    That said, I don't think the "Ineffective" tag still hangs over him. He has used "executive orders" on things like LGTBQ+ rights, and has also had the Justice Department stop pursuing low level drug crimes as policy. Since he started giving zero fucks what Republicans in Congress think about him, he has become far more popular and successful.
  • Kap10
    Kap10 Posts: 15,563
    Maybe the title to this thread should be changed to something like

    "I just heard there has not been a shooting in America for 30 seconds"!
  • SDAddick
    SDAddick Posts: 14,467
    Kap10 said:

    Maybe the title to this thread should be changed to something like

    "I just heard there has not been a shooting in America for 30 seconds"!

    Right. NYPD have just released a video of a shooting of an unarmed man from a couple weeks back.
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