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Another Shooting In America?
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Murder. The officer should be charged, simple1
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Chizz said:
I don't understand ? Another trigger happy cop murdered another innocent victim... The mention of weed does nothing but part deflect the blame
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Tokers are killers. Fact.shine166 said:
Wtf cannabis use has to do with anything I really don't knowChizz said:
A pretty powerful take-down of the police officer who fatally shot the victim. Pretty eye opening, especially if you read the (several) follow-up tweets.
I murdered a king size box of pringles last night....11 -
Read all the tweets. When a victim is shot, the media, instantly highlight the victim'support background, whether they're known drug users, whether they have convictions for violence...shine166 said:Chizz said:
I don't understand ? Another trigger happy cop murdered another innocent victim... The mention of weed does nothing but part deflect the blame
The background of the police is almost never revealed. So it's enlightening to see someone pull out the kind of typical background information the media broadcast and publish about the victim.0 -
Chizz said:
Read all the tweets. When a victim is shot, the media, instantly highlight the victim'support background, whether they're known drug users, whether they have convictions for violence...shine166 said:Chizz said:
I don't understand ? Another trigger happy cop murdered another innocent victim... The mention of weed does nothing but part deflect the blame
The background of the police is almost never revealed. So it's enlightening to see someone pull out the kind of typical background information the media broadcast and publish about the victim.
Ah, I get you now.. Makes much more sense with that context
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To be fair to shine, I think he'd be one of the first to say that whether it was the police officer or the victim.1
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258 African American men were killed by police gunfire last year.1
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She murdered Terence. There were 4 other officers right next to her. Wasn't in fear of her life.6
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Officer charged with Manslaughter re: Tulsa shooting.
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This is so important, thank you for sharing.Chizz said:
A pretty powerful take-down of the police officer who fatally shot the victim. Pretty eye opening, especially if you read the (several) follow-up tweets.
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Republican Congressman Robert Pittenger, of North Carolina, told the BBC the protesters hated white people because white people were successful, but he later apologised for his comments in an interview with CNN.
This is an elected representative of the people ffs - outrageous.
Not sure about God Bless America - should be God Help America.0 -
Video shows woman shoot at invaders during home invasion
http://www.cnn.com/videos/us/2016/09/23/woman-shoots-at-burglars-during-home-invasion-dnt.wsb0 -
Good for her.Red_in_SE8 said:Video shows woman shoot at invaders during home invasion
http://www.cnn.com/videos/us/2016/09/23/woman-shoots-at-burglars-during-home-invasion-dnt.wsb5 -
This was my initial reaction but in reading around it it will be much easier to get a conviction on manslaughter. Murder can insinuate some sort of pre-meditation (this is where I get a little confused because there is pre-meditated and non-PM murder). But, as a police officer, it will be very difficult to convict her of murder. Sorry, I know this is a bit convoluted, but in short it seems it's a good move by the District Attorney.ChiAddick said:
What I find more outrageous is that she was charged and released.1 -
Not good for her, breaking and entering isn't a crime punished by death!Greenie said:
Good for her.Red_in_SE8 said:Video shows woman shoot at invaders during home invasion
http://www.cnn.com/videos/us/2016/09/23/woman-shoots-at-burglars-during-home-invasion-dnt.wsb3 -
Well there's an easy way to avoid the punishment.SDAddick said:
Not good for her, breaking and entering isn't a crime punished by death!Greenie said:
Good for her.Red_in_SE8 said:Video shows woman shoot at invaders during home invasion
http://www.cnn.com/videos/us/2016/09/23/woman-shoots-at-burglars-during-home-invasion-dnt.wsb4 - Sponsored links:
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So I'll say in the first watching of the video I didn't realize the men had guns, so I back off on my previous statement because this seems to be a genuine case of self defence.
That said, we have "Stand Your Ground" laws in this country whereby if at any time you feel you're threatened, you can shoot someone. This was made famous in the George Zimmerman/Treyvon Martin case whereby Martin was walking home, was accosted by Zimmerman, someone with no legal authority, a scuffle ensued, Martin was shot dead, and Zimmerman was acquitted based on "stand your ground."0 -
That's not how legal punishments and proportionality work though. As I said above I didn't realize the men in this had guns so this is self defense, but as mentioned just above Terrence Crutcher's car broke down while black in the middle of the road and what was his punishment? Death. Treyvon Martin was walking home eating skittles while black and what was his punishment? Death. Eric Garner was illegally selling cigarettes on the street and what was his punishment? Death. Alton Sterling may have resisted arrest, though why he was being arrested was unclear and what was his punishment? Death.Baldybonce said:
Well there's an easy way to avoid the punishment.SDAddick said:
Not good for her, breaking and entering isn't a crime punished by death!Greenie said:
Good for her.Red_in_SE8 said:Video shows woman shoot at invaders during home invasion
http://www.cnn.com/videos/us/2016/09/23/woman-shoots-at-burglars-during-home-invasion-dnt.wsb
None of these "crimes" carry the death penalty. So this notion that there is a way to avoid such consequences is ludicrous.4 -
If you home invade in a country where gun possession is legal then you're kind of asking for it tbh
I mean, it probably shouldn't be legal, but that video is completely irrelevant to the main thrust of this discussion, which involves police procedure4 -
Put it this way if someone had broken into my house and I come across them I would hit them repeatedly with anything I could until they were no longer a threat to me or my family.
If that's deemed wrong by law so be it3 -
I answered the post about breaking and entering. It really is quite simple, if you don't break into peoples houses you won't get shot in there.SDAddick said:
That's not how legal punishments and proportionality work though. As I said above I didn't realize the men in this had guns so this is self defense, but as mentioned just above Terrence Crutcher's car broke down while black in the middle of the road and what was his punishment? Death. Treyvon Martin was walking home eating skittles while black and what was his punishment? Death. Eric Garner was illegally selling cigarettes on the street and what was his punishment? Death. Alton Sterling may have resisted arrest, though why he was being arrested was unclear and what was his punishment? Death.Baldybonce said:
Well there's an easy way to avoid the punishment.SDAddick said:
Not good for her, breaking and entering isn't a crime punished by death!Greenie said:
Good for her.Red_in_SE8 said:Video shows woman shoot at invaders during home invasion
http://www.cnn.com/videos/us/2016/09/23/woman-shoots-at-burglars-during-home-invasion-dnt.wsb
None of these "crimes" carry the death penalty. So this notion that there is a way to avoid such consequences is ludicrous.1 -
I wouldn't, I'd wake the wife up and let her deal with it.CAFCBourne said:Put it this way if someone had broken into my house and I come across them I would hit them repeatedly with anything I could until they were no longer a threat to me or my family.
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So you would feel the same if they were unarmed? Because in most states you'll go to jail for manslaughter.Baldybonce said:
I answered the post about breaking and entering. It really is quite simple, if you don't break into peoples houses you won't get shot in there.SDAddick said:
That's not how legal punishments and proportionality work though. As I said above I didn't realize the men in this had guns so this is self defense, but as mentioned just above Terrence Crutcher's car broke down while black in the middle of the road and what was his punishment? Death. Treyvon Martin was walking home eating skittles while black and what was his punishment? Death. Eric Garner was illegally selling cigarettes on the street and what was his punishment? Death. Alton Sterling may have resisted arrest, though why he was being arrested was unclear and what was his punishment? Death.Baldybonce said:
Well there's an easy way to avoid the punishment.SDAddick said:
Not good for her, breaking and entering isn't a crime punished by death!Greenie said:
Good for her.Red_in_SE8 said:Video shows woman shoot at invaders during home invasion
http://www.cnn.com/videos/us/2016/09/23/woman-shoots-at-burglars-during-home-invasion-dnt.wsb
None of these "crimes" carry the death penalty. So this notion that there is a way to avoid such consequences is ludicrous.0 -
A startled intruder could do as much damage to someone unarmed as they could armed. If they felt cornered they could grab anything. Do you take that chance? It's a difficult one but something that would be made a lot easier if you didn't intrude in someone's home.SDAddick said:
So you would feel the same if they were unarmed? Because in most states you'll go to jail for manslaughter.Baldybonce said:
I answered the post about breaking and entering. It really is quite simple, if you don't break into peoples houses you won't get shot in there.SDAddick said:
That's not how legal punishments and proportionality work though. As I said above I didn't realize the men in this had guns so this is self defense, but as mentioned just above Terrence Crutcher's car broke down while black in the middle of the road and what was his punishment? Death. Treyvon Martin was walking home eating skittles while black and what was his punishment? Death. Eric Garner was illegally selling cigarettes on the street and what was his punishment? Death. Alton Sterling may have resisted arrest, though why he was being arrested was unclear and what was his punishment? Death.Baldybonce said:
Well there's an easy way to avoid the punishment.SDAddick said:
Not good for her, breaking and entering isn't a crime punished by death!Greenie said:
Good for her.Red_in_SE8 said:Video shows woman shoot at invaders during home invasion
http://www.cnn.com/videos/us/2016/09/23/woman-shoots-at-burglars-during-home-invasion-dnt.wsb
None of these "crimes" carry the death penalty. So this notion that there is a way to avoid such consequences is ludicrous.1 -
No, i'd wait to see if they were armed, maybe let them have first shot or first slash with a knife then i'd think how should I respond.SDAddick said:
So you would feel the same if they were unarmed? Because in most states you'll go to jail for manslaughter.Baldybonce said:
I answered the post about breaking and entering. It really is quite simple, if you don't break into peoples houses you won't get shot in there.SDAddick said:
That's not how legal punishments and proportionality work though. As I said above I didn't realize the men in this had guns so this is self defense, but as mentioned just above Terrence Crutcher's car broke down while black in the middle of the road and what was his punishment? Death. Treyvon Martin was walking home eating skittles while black and what was his punishment? Death. Eric Garner was illegally selling cigarettes on the street and what was his punishment? Death. Alton Sterling may have resisted arrest, though why he was being arrested was unclear and what was his punishment? Death.Baldybonce said:
Well there's an easy way to avoid the punishment.SDAddick said:
Not good for her, breaking and entering isn't a crime punished by death!Greenie said:
Good for her.Red_in_SE8 said:Video shows woman shoot at invaders during home invasion
http://www.cnn.com/videos/us/2016/09/23/woman-shoots-at-burglars-during-home-invasion-dnt.wsb
None of these "crimes" carry the death penalty. So this notion that there is a way to avoid such consequences is ludicrous.3 -
Hypothetically yes I suppose. But the law here makes really clear distinction between armed and unarmed crimes, ones with deadly weapons, etc. because it is so much easier for something with a weapon, namely a gun, to escalate into something deadly.ValleyGary said:
A startled intruder could do as much damage to someone unarmed as they could armed. If they felt cornered they could grab anything. Do you take that chance? It's a difficult one but something that would be made a lot easier if you didn't intrude in someone's home.SDAddick said:
So you would feel the same if they were unarmed? Because in most states you'll go to jail for manslaughter.Baldybonce said:
I answered the post about breaking and entering. It really is quite simple, if you don't break into peoples houses you won't get shot in there.SDAddick said:
That's not how legal punishments and proportionality work though. As I said above I didn't realize the men in this had guns so this is self defense, but as mentioned just above Terrence Crutcher's car broke down while black in the middle of the road and what was his punishment? Death. Treyvon Martin was walking home eating skittles while black and what was his punishment? Death. Eric Garner was illegally selling cigarettes on the street and what was his punishment? Death. Alton Sterling may have resisted arrest, though why he was being arrested was unclear and what was his punishment? Death.Baldybonce said:
Well there's an easy way to avoid the punishment.SDAddick said:
Not good for her, breaking and entering isn't a crime punished by death!Greenie said:
Good for her.Red_in_SE8 said:Video shows woman shoot at invaders during home invasion
http://www.cnn.com/videos/us/2016/09/23/woman-shoots-at-burglars-during-home-invasion-dnt.wsb
None of these "crimes" carry the death penalty. So this notion that there is a way to avoid such consequences is ludicrous.
Perhaps I am jaded by viewing this through the lens of what goes disgustingly wrong with "stand your ground laws." They are markedly different from what @Baldybonce @ValleyGary @Bourneaddick describe, which seems to be on average self defense. I am of course not against self defense. Apologies if this is my bias, or perhaps an indication of the different way crimes are treated here, or perhaps both.0
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