There are four main types of people here who are opposed to gun regulations 1)the ones who like to hunt and go to the shooting range and don’t want the personal annoyances of the regulations 2) the crazies who actually believe the US government is out to get them. Like owning an assault rifle is somehow going to stop the government killing you by missile or drone from thousands of miles away. 3) the disenfranchised who have a difficult life and look to their political tribe as a way to feel a sense of belonging that group outrage brings ( this also applies to some on the far left in the social justice warrior movement) and 4) the largest group being people who have a very naive uneducated romantic view of Freeedommm. They think that founding fathers viewed America as absolute freedom which is not the case. Absolute freedom equals anarchy. All freedoms should be accompanied by common sense limits. There absolutely is a way to do that with guns and still maintain the spirit of the constitutional amendments but it seems so many right and left are so caught up in this political theater that common sense has gone out the window.
I'd add a 5th group. People who live in rural places where they have no chance of receiving assistance from the police if things take an unexpected turn.
It is hard to see how the gun issue can be resolved in the US. If you ban guns tomorrow and have some sort of amnesty, only the law-abiding citizens will return them. Maybe that doesn't matter if the total number of gun deaths does down.
New York Governor Andrew Cuomo has declared a disaster emergency order following 51 shootings across the state during the July 4th holiday weekend. £100m will be set aside to address the problem. More people are presently dying from gun violence and crime than Covid.
Quite apt that the order describes the gun violence as a public health crisis.
It is 'the right to bear arms', not to bear sub-machine guns.
Maintaining Americans' right to bear arms is as sensible, responsible and safe as introducing the right to arm bears.
The second amendment was originally in relation to militias and their rights to bear arms. The rights of individuals in this regard are much more recent.
Not true. That's just what some on the Left likes to say through a tortured, modern interpretation of the world "Militia."
Back in the Constitutional era the USA had no significant standing army, which was intentional. The founders intended people themselves to be armed and form a militia when under threat. The idea that the militia could be armed but not the people is non-sensical because militias were wholly voluntary. We had no army. The people were armed. Americans has always been armed to the teeth and there was never a period where the guns were stacked up in some shack, awaiting use by a non-existent militia.
In addition, all one needs to read to understand the meaning is the remainder of the Amendment...
"...the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."
Reagardless of what one thinks of the word "militia," the remainder of the verbiage is clear. The Amendments were created to place limits on government, not people. So when seen in context of the times, the whole intent of the Amendments is clear.
Basically the Amendment means
"In order to defend the country, government may not stop the people from being armed."
I don't own a gun and I feel we need to address ownership of high-powered weapons, going to down the road of the meaning of "militia" is not a winning strategy. Better luck would be had just attempting to overturn the Amendment.
Interesting, I guess that now that the USA has one of the biggest and the most well armed militaries in the world, that is out of date...and needs, well, amendment.
RIP to the fallen in more attacks today. Have not heard too much about them, which probably indicates it's happening a bit too often.
Indeed. Thomas Jefferson stated that Constitutions are for living, not the dead. He felt every generation within all countries should re-write their Constitution that best suited them and their times, not hang on to old ideas. No one in the USA ever mentions that. Also, the right to bear arms has a logical limit. Antonin Scalia, one of my favorite Supreme Court justices until he died 5 years ago once pointed out that the argument that owning arms shall not be infringed could also be applied to owning nukes. And since that was absurd and no one would be against limits on having nukes as personal arms, then the whole idea that arms cannot be regulated by "type" was plainly absurd. He is right. Combine the two thoughts and one could make a good argument for just replacing the Second Amendment altogether.
I've never understood why Americans want to hang onto gun laws that cause so many unnecessary deaths?
It actually looks pretty cool, but obviously completely inappropriate.
You could walk into a store holding that and people wouldn't realise what it was. I say that as if that's a problem - completely legal thing to do in Texas.
There was one white man in the store at the time, gunman managed to have the trigger discipline and control in the situation not to kill him. He even apologised to him for pointing the gun at him.
Like many things, the story of the Boston Tea Party is a nice way of hiding the terrible truth from the good citizens of America. The Tea Party was in 1773. The year before, in a case brought in the English courts, Somerset v Stewart, the Judge ruled that an individual could not be taken from England into enforced bondage. The case involved a slave brought from the colonies to England by his master. The slave owner wanted to take him back. During the case the Judge also said that English Law did not allow slavery. And it would need an Act of Parliament to change that position. (In fact there was an Act in 1807 but it abolished the transatlantic slave trade.)
In 1773, the colonists could see the writing on the wall. Ironically, the Land of the Free wanted their freedom in order to continue to enslave others. George Washington's own plantation, Mount Vernon, had 317 slaves.
The Proclamation Line was another important factor. The British did not want the colonists expanding west beyond this line which separated the colonists from many of the Native Americans. This, of course, upset the colonists who wanted to be free to steal the land and resources from others and make their fortunes. (This is why the vast majority of Native Americans fought on the British side. In fact few British fought in this war, it was mainly American loyalists, Native Americans and mercenary Germans - the British had more important concerns - the wars against France and Spain.)
Keeping slaves and western expansion were much more important than a tax on tea! The slimeball, Washington, was known as the "Town Destroyer" by the Iroquois. In fact the largest operation undertaken during the war was to destroy Iroquois villages and burn crops. (Putin must have been taking notes!)
This takes us back to the Declaration of Independence. Which led to the drafting of the Constitution and the subsequent 2nd Amendment of 1791 - the right to keep and bear arms. Something which is, of course, ludicrously outdated.
One feels the USA would be a much nicer, much calmer place if we had not ceded control.
Like many things, the story of the Boston Tea Party is a nice way of hiding the terrible truth from the good citizens of America. The Tea Party was in 1773. The year before, in a case brought in the English courts, Somerset v Stewart, the Judge ruled that an individual could not be taken from England into enforced bondage. The case involved a slave brought from the colonies to England by his master. The slave owner wanted to take him back. During the case the Judge also said that English Law did not allow slavery. And it would need an Act of Parliament to change that position. (In fact there was an Act in 1807 but it abolished the transatlantic slave trade.)
In 1773, the colonists could see the writing on the wall. Ironically, the Land of the Free wanted their freedom in order to continue to enslave others. George Washington's own plantation, Mount Vernon, had 317 slaves.
The Proclamation Line was another important factor. The British did not want the colonists expanding west beyond this line which separated the colonists from many of the Native Americans. This, of course, upset the colonists who wanted to be free to steal the land and resources from others and make their fortunes. (This is why the vast majority of Native Americans fought on the British side. In fact few British fought in this war, it was mainly American loyalists, Native Americans and mercenary Germans - the British had more important concerns - the wars against France and Spain.)
Keeping slaves and western expansion were much more important than a tax on tea! The slimeball, Washington, was known as the "Town Destroyer" by the Iroquois. In fact the largest operation undertaken during the war was to destroy Iroquois villages and burn crops. (Putin must have been taking notes!)
This takes us back to the Declaration of Independence. Which led to the drafting of the Constitution and the subsequent 2nd Amendment of 1791 - the right to keep and bear arms. Something which is, of course, ludicrously outdated.
One feels the USA would be a much nicer, much calmer place if we had not ceded control.
Like many things, the story of the Boston Tea Party is a nice way of hiding the terrible truth from the good citizens of America. The Tea Party was in 1773. The year before, in a case brought in the English courts, Somerset v Stewart, the Judge ruled that an individual could not be taken from England into enforced bondage. The case involved a slave brought from the colonies to England by his master. The slave owner wanted to take him back. During the case the Judge also said that English Law did not allow slavery. And it would need an Act of Parliament to change that position. (In fact there was an Act in 1807 but it abolished the transatlantic slave trade.)
In 1773, the colonists could see the writing on the wall. Ironically, the Land of the Free wanted their freedom in order to continue to enslave others. George Washington's own plantation, Mount Vernon, had 317 slaves.
The Proclamation Line was another important factor. The British did not want the colonists expanding west beyond this line which separated the colonists from many of the Native Americans. This, of course, upset the colonists who wanted to be free to steal the land and resources from others and make their fortunes. (This is why the vast majority of Native Americans fought on the British side. In fact few British fought in this war, it was mainly American loyalists, Native Americans and mercenary Germans - the British had more important concerns - the wars against France and Spain.)
Keeping slaves and western expansion were much more important than a tax on tea! The slimeball, Washington, was known as the "Town Destroyer" by the Iroquois. In fact the largest operation undertaken during the war was to destroy Iroquois villages and burn crops. (Putin must have been taking notes!)
This takes us back to the Declaration of Independence. Which led to the drafting of the Constitution and the subsequent 2nd Amendment of 1791 - the right to keep and bear arms. Something which is, of course, ludicrously outdated.
One feels the USA would be a much nicer, much calmer place if we had not ceded control.
Or if we hadn't gone there in the first place!
Tbf if it wasn't us then it would of been someone else. Imagine if the Belgium's had got there. Good God.
The French did seize a fair bit and unless I'm mistaken (on my phone so can't really look this all up) they supplied arms to the independence side. To undermine us obviously. Plus they might of helped out the Confederate side during the cival war. Tbf I could be completely wrong about all this. Be nice if someone with more knowledge could put me right. Otherwise I'll wait till tomorrow when I get a computer in front of me. Cos it is interesting.
Like many things, the story of the Boston Tea Party is a nice way of hiding the terrible truth from the good citizens of America. The Tea Party was in 1773. The year before, in a case brought in the English courts, Somerset v Stewart, the Judge ruled that an individual could not be taken from England into enforced bondage. The case involved a slave brought from the colonies to England by his master. The slave owner wanted to take him back. During the case the Judge also said that English Law did not allow slavery. And it would need an Act of Parliament to change that position. (In fact there was an Act in 1807 but it abolished the transatlantic slave trade.)
In 1773, the colonists could see the writing on the wall. Ironically, the Land of the Free wanted their freedom in order to continue to enslave others. George Washington's own plantation, Mount Vernon, had 317 slaves.
The Proclamation Line was another important factor. The British did not want the colonists expanding west beyond this line which separated the colonists from many of the Native Americans. This, of course, upset the colonists who wanted to be free to steal the land and resources from others and make their fortunes. (This is why the vast majority of Native Americans fought on the British side. In fact few British fought in this war, it was mainly American loyalists, Native Americans and mercenary Germans - the British had more important concerns - the wars against France and Spain.)
Keeping slaves and western expansion were much more important than a tax on tea! The slimeball, Washington, was known as the "Town Destroyer" by the Iroquois. In fact the largest operation undertaken during the war was to destroy Iroquois villages and burn crops. (Putin must have been taking notes!)
This takes us back to the Declaration of Independence. Which led to the drafting of the Constitution and the subsequent 2nd Amendment of 1791 - the right to keep and bear arms. Something which is, of course, ludicrously outdated.
One feels the USA would be a much nicer, much calmer place if we had not ceded control.
Or if we hadn't gone there in the first place!
Then the USA would probably have been Spanish, or maybe French. Everybody in the USA knows about the Pilgrim Fathers - all 130 odd of them - and their arrival in 1620. Many Americans are blissfully unaware that the City of St Augustine in Florida was founded by the Spanish in 1565. (St Augustine is a great place to visit and is a good diversion from Disney. By American standards it has some genuinely old buildings in the "historic downtown" area and lots of other stuff to see. It's a good day out.)
Like many things, the story of the Boston Tea Party is a nice way of hiding the terrible truth from the good citizens of America. The Tea Party was in 1773. The year before, in a case brought in the English courts, Somerset v Stewart, the Judge ruled that an individual could not be taken from England into enforced bondage. The case involved a slave brought from the colonies to England by his master. The slave owner wanted to take him back. During the case the Judge also said that English Law did not allow slavery. And it would need an Act of Parliament to change that position. (In fact there was an Act in 1807 but it abolished the transatlantic slave trade.)
In 1773, the colonists could see the writing on the wall. Ironically, the Land of the Free wanted their freedom in order to continue to enslave others. George Washington's own plantation, Mount Vernon, had 317 slaves.
The Proclamation Line was another important factor. The British did not want the colonists expanding west beyond this line which separated the colonists from many of the Native Americans. This, of course, upset the colonists who wanted to be free to steal the land and resources from others and make their fortunes. (This is why the vast majority of Native Americans fought on the British side. In fact few British fought in this war, it was mainly American loyalists, Native Americans and mercenary Germans - the British had more important concerns - the wars against France and Spain.)
Keeping slaves and western expansion were much more important than a tax on tea! The slimeball, Washington, was known as the "Town Destroyer" by the Iroquois. In fact the largest operation undertaken during the war was to destroy Iroquois villages and burn crops. (Putin must have been taking notes!)
This takes us back to the Declaration of Independence. Which led to the drafting of the Constitution and the subsequent 2nd Amendment of 1791 - the right to keep and bear arms. Something which is, of course, ludicrously outdated.
One feels the USA would be a much nicer, much calmer place if we had not ceded control.
Plenty of this still going on in Britain - there’s a huge lack of knowledge of the horrors committed in the name of the Crown during the years of the British empire. We might have banned slavery earlier but not until we’d grown rich from it.
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New York Governor Andrew Cuomo has declared a disaster emergency order following 51 shootings across the state during the July 4th holiday weekend. £100m will be set aside to address the problem. More people are presently dying from gun violence and crime than Covid.
Quite apt that the order describes the gun violence as a public health crisis.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-57743694
You could walk into a store holding that and people wouldn't realise what it was. I say that as if that's a problem - completely legal thing to do in Texas.
There are just crazy numbers of shootings in the country.
Ten people have been killed in a shooting at a supermarket in New York state, police say.
An 18-year-old man has been arrested at the scene in the city of Buffalo. He has not been named by police.
The suspect entered the busy supermarket on Saturday before opening fire while using a camera to live-stream the attack online, police said.
The FBI is investigating the shooting - which left three other people injured - as a racially-motivated hate crime.
At a news conference, police said the suspect was carrying heavy weaponry while wearing body armour and a tactical helmet.
Madness.
Truly messed up.
In 1773, the colonists could see the writing on the wall. Ironically, the Land of the Free wanted their freedom in order to continue to enslave others. George Washington's own plantation, Mount Vernon, had 317 slaves.
The Proclamation Line was another important factor. The British did not want the colonists expanding west beyond this line which separated the colonists from many of the Native Americans. This, of course, upset the colonists who wanted to be free to steal the land and resources from others and make their fortunes. (This is why the vast majority of Native Americans fought on the British side. In fact few British fought in this war, it was mainly American loyalists, Native Americans and mercenary Germans - the British had more important concerns - the wars against France and Spain.)
Keeping slaves and western expansion were much more important than a tax on tea! The slimeball, Washington, was known as the "Town Destroyer" by the Iroquois. In fact the largest operation undertaken during the war was to destroy Iroquois villages and burn crops. (Putin must have been taking notes!)
This takes us back to the Declaration of Independence. Which led to the drafting of the Constitution and the subsequent 2nd Amendment of 1791 - the right to keep and bear arms. Something which is, of course, ludicrously outdated.
One feels the USA would be a much nicer, much calmer place if we had not ceded control.
The issue is the terrorism and the racist fundamentalist ideology that drives it.
The French did seize a fair bit and unless I'm mistaken (on my phone so can't really look this all up) they supplied arms to the independence side. To undermine us obviously. Plus they might of helped out the Confederate side during the cival war. Tbf I could be completely wrong about all this. Be nice if someone with more knowledge could put me right. Otherwise I'll wait till tomorrow when I get a computer in front of me. Cos it is interesting.
Terrorism that the police are too scared to crack down on.
MP killed in this country, mass-shootings and a coup attempt in America, New Zealand and Norway attacks.
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