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But he didn’t and a lot could’ve happened in the final lap(s) if the rules had been applied differently. You cant award him a championship based a fictional scenario.bobmunro said:
If the rules had been applied correctly it is a race he would have won, with the final lap behind the safety car.Leeds_Addick said:I can’t see any situation where Hamilton wins the championship. If they rule that the FIA didn’t apply the rules correctly you can’t award Hamilton a race win that he didn’t win?0 -
Oh well Max... Shame you never get favoured by the Stewards0
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Appeal rejected- what will happen next? It’s not all over.1
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I think it would damage Hamilton's legacy if he won the title in the way Verstappen has and if he won it via the courts. Verstappen has shown that he will take it in any way it is given. It is his first. It shouldn't have been given but it was and if I was Mercedes I would threaten legal action but demand removal of certain people, maybe person, and rule changes to stop this rule farce for next season as a condition of not pursuing it.1
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If Mercedes take this to court, this will rumble onthai malaysia addick said:Appeal rejected- what will happen next? It’s not all over.0 -
Hope they don’t. Let it rest and concentrate on next season.killerandflash said:
If Mercedes take this to court, this will rumble onthai malaysia addick said:Appeal rejected- what will happen next? It’s not all over.0 -
Sounds like Red Bull have argued that the rules state that ANY backmarkers should be allowed to overtake the SC before the race restarts - It doesnt state that ALL backmarkers should be allowed.0
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Emma Raducanu will surely still win Sports Personality of the Year, but being "the wronged victim" will help Lewis's vote next Sunday...0
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I think Masi is adjudicating so it should be Radacanu!killerandflash said:Emma Raducanu will surely still win Sports Personality of the Year, but being "the wronged victim" will help Lewis's vote next Sunday...3 - Sponsored links:
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Reading that, I don't see what Mercedes can protest on further to CAS2
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What a classy man, Hamilton.0
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For any right thinking person this farcical result cannot be taken seriously.
For my part, I have never been a particular fan of F1. however the skill and bravery of the drivers and the brilliant engineering has always fascinated me.
No longer is it a case of the best driver and best constructor winning races and titles, it's now a case of idiotic, or in my opinion, corrupt officials making up the rules to suit whichever team/driver they want to win. So from now on I will treat F1 with the contempt it deserves, no matter the skill and bravery of drivers like Lewis Hamilton3 -
It's the voices.blackpool72 said:
Seth in his headbobmunro said:seth plum said:
The Williams crash and track debris ushered in the safety car and all that followed.lordromford said:
No conspiracy there, as Williams are very much in Mercedes camp. Latifi’s crash only helped Red Bull. If it had happened two laps later it might’ve raised some eyebrows though. 😳seth plum said:
I am afraid you’re simply wrong.blackpool72 said:
I try not to respond to your trolling anymore because I find it tiresome.seth plum said:
Of course people can root for a protagonist if they want to. I deliberately used the word ‘ultra’.bobmunro said:
Don’t be so fucking obtuse. You know very well why you are being called out as a twat.seth plum said:
So you are calling me a twat for saying that Hamilton could’ve changed his tyres earlier?SoundAsa£ said:
What a twat you are.seth plum said:To me, admittedly ignorant of the finer points of the sport, the shenanigans at the start when Lewis Hamilton took a short cut was balanced out by the shenanigans at the end.
Max Verstappen is a worthy world champion because he was brave enough to visit Kwik fit when Hamilton stayed out on the track.
I like Hamilton and wanted him to win, but there is some compensation that the ultra nationalists are pissed off.
So it’s being ultra nationalist for a Brit to want a Brit to win? 80,000 at Wembley cheering for England are all ultra nationalists. Or the Irish at Landsdowne Road, or the Chinese in Beijing? I get the impression you take every opportunity to knock anything British.The comments here are about rules and the decisions around those rules.
I have worked with and known some absolutely wonderful Crystal Palace fans and am easy with their support for that club, but the Crystal Palace ‘ultras’ are a different kettle of fish as far as I am concerned.
I commented in my post about the rules and decisions, did you miss that bit, perhaps it is you who is being obtuse.
I don’t knock everything British, these islands have a wonderful landscape for a start.
But the reason people pile in on you is because you try to introduce politics into every thread.
This thread is about formula one and you bring in right wing nationalistic comments.
You do yourself no favours mate.
Anyway back to the race, if there is some kind of suspicious mystery regarding Perez retiring, is there also a suspicious mystery regarding the Williams crash which seemed to me to be the main factor regarding how the race finished?
Would Lewis Hamilton have won without the Williams crash?
It looks to me that if it hadn’t have happened Lewis Hamilton would’ve won.
It doesn’t look to me like the Williams crash was contrived. I think that crash was the significant factor in the result because it couldn’t have been anticipated.
Who has said it was contrived?0 -
As a fan of F1 for many years, I do find it hard to justify. When the dust has settled on a great Championship, I feel it will have been tainted. It is F1, not WWE. It needs to sort its house out for next season or it might lose a few fans. Personally, I never want to hear the name Masi at any future race or his pathetic voice. He has been a disgrace. I'm sure he isn't biased, but he is the most incompetent race director there has ever been. Beyond controversial, simply useless.2
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I'm not an F1 fan so don't know the nuances, but the 'any car that has been passed' doesn't mean 'all cars that have been passed' bit is ridiculous.sam3110 said:Reading that, I don't see what Mercedes can protest on further to CAS
Yeah it does. They know it does.
It's just the easiest outcome for the FIA.3 -
So the race director is allowed to change and make up the rules as he goes along and decide the outcome of the race Looks like the sport has sunk to a new low. Mercedes bow has to consider whether it is worth continuing to participate and invest or to focus their attention on to formula e and other formats. If they withdraw it will leave the FIA in a very embarrassing position.
I think that the only thing that would produce a sensible outcome now would be for Masi to fall on his sword.0 -
I think Wolff is now basically pushing on with all of this to ruin Masi.
I don’t think he realistically thinks his team will be successful in the protest - but they won’t stop until Masi is gone.
I think Masi will go in the next week or so, and Merc will then withdraw their appeal.5 - Sponsored links:
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They've already pulled out of Formulae EScratchingvalleycat said:So the race director is allowed to change and make up the rules as he goes along and decide the outcome of the race Looks like the sport has sunk to a new low. Mercedes bow has to consider whether it is worth continuing to participate and invest or to focus their attention on to formula e and other formats. If they withdraw it will leave the FIA in a very embarrassing position.
I think that the only thing that would produce a sensible outcome now would be for Masi to fall on his sword.0 -
Didn’t it flash on screen exactly which cars could overtake the safety car? Only half paying attention as I was tucking in to an amazing carvery in the lovely village of Thatcham.North Lower Neil said:
I'm not an F1 fan so don't know the nuances, but the 'any car that has been passed' doesn't mean 'all cars that have been passed' bit is ridiculous.sam3110 said:Reading that, I don't see what Mercedes can protest on further to CAS
Yeah it does. They know it does.
It's just the easiest outcome for the FIA.I was sure I saw on screen it showed Cars X, Y, Z can overtook but it clearly didn’t indicate “all lapped cars”. If that was the case I can’t see how Red Bull can use that point when only specific cars were advised to overtake, just happened to be the ones between Lewis and Max right…..0 -
Not a big fan but seen a fair bit of this season.Safe to say that should be the last we see of Masi - he fucked up at a critical time again.
Bottas proved to be as much good as tits on a fish for his team mate.
someone on Twitter said it was like Hamilton is 3-0 up and the ref says “Next one’s the winner”. Seems a good analogy for this situation
Mercedes were too cautious and that cost them dearly
I don’t get all the hate for LH - he’s a phenomenal driver and British so I’ll always cheer for him. His interview was top notch.
next season will be a damp squib in comparison as I think LH will romp it.3 -
Completely new car design next year isn’t it?0
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So so corrupt. It’ll come out one day, always does.3
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YupRothko said:Completely new car design next year isn’t it?0 -
Whilst simultaneously playing a through ball to put Verstappen clear through on goal.Swisdom said:Not a big fan but seen a fair bit of this season.Safe to say that should be the last we see of Masi - he fucked up at a critical time again.
Bottas proved to be as much good as tits on a fish for his team mate.
someone on Twitter said it was like Hamilton is 3-0 up and the ref says “Next one’s the winner”. Seems a good analogy for this situation
Mercedes were too cautious and that cost them dearly
I don’t get all the hate for LH - he’s a phenomenal driver and British so I’ll always cheer for him. His interview was top notch.
next season will be a damp squib in comparison as I think LH will romp it.3 -
Any feel for who gains from that, or too early?ForeverAddickted said:
YupRothko said:Completely new car design next year isn’t it?0 -
We'll find out come Pre-Season Testing.Rothko said:
Any feel for who gains from that, or too early?ForeverAddickted said:
YupRothko said:Completely new car design next year isn’t it?
Those who continued upgrades on their car this year might well do worse than others.
e.g. Haas didnt make any improvements to their car this year, its why they were so shite - Meant they could focus on the car for next season - Not saying they'll suddenly propel themselves up the grid but could do better.
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I don't think it has been corrupt in terms of favouring a driver, but in terms of trying to maintain the excitement. Last week was too far, as was Brazil before that and this week became a farce. A farce doesn't help the sport in the long run.The Red Robin said:So so corrupt. It’ll come out one day, always does.2
