Safe to say that should be the last we see of Masi - he fucked up at a critical time again.
Bottas proved to be as much good as tits on a fish for his team mate.
someone on Twitter said it was like Hamilton is 3-0 up and the ref says “Next one’s the winner”. Seems a good analogy for this situation
Mercedes were too cautious and that cost them dearly
I don’t get all the hate for LH - he’s a phenomenal driver and British so I’ll always cheer for him. His interview was top notch.
next season will be a damp squib in comparison as I think LH will romp it.
Whilst simultaneously playing a through ball to put Verstappen clear through on goal.
You do have to wonder how comfortable Verstappen would have been overtaking Hamilton, whilst at the same time worrying about Sainz on his tail - Instead Sainz had two (?) backmarkers to get past, whilst fending off Ricciardo.
I’m a big Hamilton fan on a few levels and I was gutted to see him lose this way as he was the best driver / had the best car on the day.
Im not one for conspiracy theories, I think though that as a sport Its basically a travelling circus and they rushed to get the final lap in as any circus would want a grand finale.
Onwards and upwards for Lewis I’m sure he will get over it.
I’m a big Hamilton fan on a few levels and I was gutted to see him lose this way as he was the best driver / had the best car on the day.
Im not one for conspiracy theories, I think though that as a sport Its basically a travelling circus and they rushed to get the final lap in as any circus would want a grand finale.
Onwards and upwards for Lewis I’m sure he will get over it.
I think you are 100% correct but it is more than a circus and it has to remember that. Hamilton wins another title and this season enhances his legacy IMO. He hasn't lost anything really. Masi will have this against him for the rest of his days.
I knew somebody who went to work for formula one who I believe at the time worked out of Biggin Hill. Their job was elaborate rigging related to all the technology and what not that is established at each racetrack. The job entailed world travel, but the wonder of it was that they would be required to work every other race rather than every single race. I presume there were two parallel teams of support staff working for the F1 organisation.
Gutted that Hamilton was robbed of the title however, and despite all the ongoing shenanigans about the WDC, congratulations to Mercedes for winning eight constructor titles in a row (all the constructor’s titles of the hybrid era!)!
So so corrupt. It’ll come out one day, always does.
I don't think it has been corrupt in terms of favouring a driver, but in terms of trying to maintain the excitement. Last week was too far, as was Brazil before that and this week became a farce. A farce doesn't help the sport in the long run.
Agreed. It's like a Simon Cowell show where they manipulate the events, not because he's biased towards a particular candidate, but to maintain excitement and headlines
I’m a big Hamilton fan on a few levels and I was gutted to see him lose this way as he was the best driver / had the best car on the day.
Im not one for conspiracy theories, I think though that as a sport Its basically a travelling circus and they rushed to get the final lap in as any circus would want a grand finale.
Onwards and upwards for Lewis I’m sure he will get over it.
I think you are 100% correct but it is more than a circus and it has to remember that. Hamilton wins another title and this season enhances his legacy IMO. He hasn't lost anything really. Masi will have this against him for the rest of his days.
Agree with you entirely.
Funnily enough I always find Masi’s voice very calming. They should probably have him reading some soothing words for a podcast to help those of us who have difficulty sleeping
He did sound a bit frazzled though when he was trying to get the safety car dealt with at the end of the race.
Seems to me that Masi didnt like the Stewards ruling on the first lap manoeuvres and so decided to even it up on the last one.
In a sport where drivers are going at speeds of 200 mph any instructions given over the radio must be clear, concise and given with plenty of warning......and also not changed minutes later.
Mercedes - "Are backmarkers going to be allowed to unlap themselves"
I think it is more what the voice says and the doubt in it than the actual voice. Telling Wolff it was motor racing pretty unconvincingly. I thought it was disrespectful and unprofessional. Likewise telling Horner last week about giving the place back and getting the positions wrong. It just feels like he doesn't know what he is doing and is making it up as he goes along. Which is almost certainly what he is doing!
Any team that naffed off this season for next season will have a fighting chance. Remember the last huge overhaul of the cars resulted in Toyota, Brawn (with a Honda designed car) and Williams having a headstart on everyone else.
Stranger things have happened, could see a 2022 season that starts with Aston Martin, Haas and Alpine as the teams to beat
I don't think Masi was bothered about Sainz. He wanted a one lap shoot out between Verstappen and Hamilton on the final lap and engineered it. Unfortunately, Hamilton had no chance with his tyres. What would have been a better spectacle was to put out the red flag straight away. This would have allowed for excitement and whilst not being fair on Hamilton would have been fairer on him and given the winner to win the race in a slightly less controversial way. But the bloke is a tool of the highest order and has shown it through the season.
Any sport decided in the courtroom rather than the track is dead.
Formula One has been dying for years but this will be the final nail.
It's probably bigger than it's been for years I'd say. Especially with the Netflix series and this year's drama.
This is all playing into the owners' hands (and bank balance).
This season has brought a LOT of lapsed fans back into interest, myself included.
Wouldn’t surprise me if today’s race was the most anticipated/watched in many years.
The FIA knew that this was the chance to really showcase a grandstand finale and hook a load of new F1 fans.
I’m not one for conspiracy theories, but it wouldn’t surprise me if they felt it was in their interest to have that tight finish and make it feel more exciting. But instead, it has backfired and a lot of those fans tuning back in will be turned off the sport even more as a result. It’s a real shame.
To me, admittedly ignorant of the finer points of the sport, the shenanigans at the start when Lewis Hamilton took a short cut was balanced out by the shenanigans at the end. Max Verstappen is a worthy world champion because he was brave enough to visit Kwik fit when Hamilton stayed out on the track. I like Hamilton and wanted him to win, but there is some compensation that the ultra nationalists are pissed off.
What a twat you are.
So you are calling me a twat for saying that Hamilton could’ve changed his tyres earlier?
Don’t be so fucking obtuse. You know very well why you are being called out as a twat.
So it’s being ultra nationalist for a Brit to want a Brit to win? 80,000 at Wembley cheering for England are all ultra nationalists. Or the Irish at Landsdowne Road, or the Chinese in Beijing? I get the impression you take every opportunity to knock anything British.
The comments here are about rules and the decisions around those rules.
Of course people can root for a protagonist if they want to. I deliberately used the word ‘ultra’. I have worked with and known some absolutely wonderful Crystal Palace fans and am easy with their support for that club, but the Crystal Palace ‘ultras’ are a different kettle of fish as far as I am concerned. I commented in my post about the rules and decisions, did you miss that bit, perhaps it is you who is being obtuse. I don’t knock everything British, these islands have a wonderful landscape for a start.
I try not to respond to your trolling anymore because I find it tiresome. But the reason people pile in on you is because you try to introduce politics into every thread. This thread is about formula one and you bring in right wing nationalistic comments. You do yourself no favours mate.
I have slept on it and it feels a wrong as it did yesterday. The credibility of F1 is in great danger and changes need to happen next season to get that credibility back in the right direction. It is a serious crisis IMO and the key is whether they can see it or not.
I have slept on it and it feels a wrong as it did yesterday. The credibility of F1 is in great danger and changes need to happen next season to get that credibility back in the right direction. It is a serious crisis IMO and the key is whether they can see it or not.
I feel very similar. One thing that I find pretty sad is the number of people who are still slating Hamilton as a ‘crybaby’ or a ‘bad loser’. I honestly can’t remember seeing a sportsperson show so much dignity and grace in the face of such unjust defeat. Quite astonishing.
I don’t see how the result will be changed. The wording of the rules were just wishywashy enough for the FIA to claim it was ok. With this in mind, I hope Hamilton comes out and says he doesn’t want the title this way. Let Red Bull have the tarnished title and it’d cement his legend further.
Verstappen and Hamilton are the only people to come out of this looking ok, (although Verstappen could still use a lesson in humility). Wolff, understandably, is furious, but he’s taking the flak for complaining when, let’s be honest, nothing’s going to happen. Horner, as usual, is a snidey little prick who can’t help having a dig, even at a time like this where he’s got away with daylight robbery. (He said “Mercedes’ appeal smacks of desperation”. Seriously, in the circumstances, have some fucking class and pipe down you little wanker.)
I have also slept on it and agree there is no point in changing the tarnished result now. However the FIA now have a simple decision to make. This is whether their Race Director knew that the decision he took would have such a major impact on a race outcome or not. If they believe he did it in full knowledge then he should be sacked for bias. If he did not understand the outcome of the decision he should be sacked for incompetence. The media companies should also push for this to maintain the value of the sport.
Some people don't like Hamilton and it clouds their judgement. I don't know him but I recognise his talent which is prodigious. I also recognise his great sportsmanship yesterday. If you don't you need to take a look at yourself.
As for Wolff, I can understand him reacting in this way but it won't benefit the sport. But I say sport and have to question myself which is wrong. F1 has a history of injustice but it seems to want to embrace it rather than address it. It has me questioning my support for the sport/circus.
It still feels wrong how it ended , but it kind of sums this season up. Some absolutely brilliant racing punctuated by some of the worst race direction/stewarding I've seen.
The only person that needs to be looked at is Masi , and the FIA and the teams need to sit down and clear up some of these rules. There's too much room for interpretation as opposed to hard and fast " do this and this is the consequences. I don't know if they need to look at having the same team of stewards everywhere , I know the drivers steward rotates based on who's available, I seem to recall Johnny Herbert being called away from Sky to do it one weekend.
2022 should be very very interesting, I'd love to see McLaren and Ferrari back in the title fight for a real 4-5 way battle. Putting another driver like Leclerc who's massively quick and equally like Max, prone to some slightly questionable defending in the title mix would be fascinating.
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Hoping for a competitive Ferrari car at the least
Im not one for conspiracy theories, I think though that as a sport Its basically a travelling circus and they rushed to get the final lap in as any circus would want a grand finale.
Onwards and upwards for Lewis I’m sure he will get over it.
Their job was elaborate rigging related to all the technology and what not that is established at each racetrack.
The job entailed world travel, but the wonder of it was that they would be required to work every other race rather than every single race.
I presume there were two parallel teams of support staff working for the F1 organisation.
Except this is meant to be a sport.
He did sound a bit frazzled though when he was trying to get the safety car dealt with at the end of the race.
In a sport where drivers are going at speeds of 200 mph any instructions given over the radio must be clear, concise and given with plenty of warning......and also not changed minutes later.
Mercedes - "Are backmarkers going to be allowed to unlap themselves"
Masi - " No"
Red Bull - " but they are usually allowed to"
Masi - " well, alright then".
Stranger things have happened, could see a 2022 season that starts with Aston Martin, Haas and Alpine as the teams to beat
Wouldn’t surprise me if today’s race was the most anticipated/watched in many years.
I don’t see how the result will be changed. The wording of the rules were just wishywashy enough for the FIA to claim it was ok. With this in mind, I hope Hamilton comes out and says he doesn’t want the title this way. Let Red Bull have the tarnished title and it’d cement his legend further.
Verstappen and Hamilton are the only people to come out of this looking ok, (although Verstappen could still use a lesson in humility). Wolff, understandably, is furious, but he’s taking the flak for complaining when, let’s be honest, nothing’s going to happen. Horner, as usual, is a snidey little prick who can’t help having a dig, even at a time like this where he’s got away with daylight robbery. (He said “Mercedes’ appeal smacks of desperation”. Seriously, in the circumstances, have some fucking class and pipe down you little wanker.)
This is whether their Race Director knew that the decision he took would have such a major impact on a race outcome or not. If they believe he did it in full knowledge then he should be sacked for bias. If he did not understand the outcome of the decision he should be sacked for incompetence.
The media companies should also push for this to maintain the value of the sport.
As for Wolff, I can understand him reacting in this way but it won't benefit the sport. But I say sport and have to question myself which is wrong. F1 has a history of injustice but it seems to want to embrace it rather than address it. It has me questioning my support for the sport/circus.
It still feels wrong how it ended , but it kind of sums this season up. Some absolutely brilliant racing punctuated by some of the worst race direction/stewarding I've seen.
The only person that needs to be looked at is Masi , and the FIA and the teams need to sit down and clear up some of these rules. There's too much room for interpretation as opposed to hard and fast " do this and this is the consequences. I don't know if they need to look at having the same team of stewards everywhere , I know the drivers steward rotates based on who's available, I seem to recall Johnny Herbert being called away from Sky to do it one weekend.
2022 should be very very interesting, I'd love to see McLaren and Ferrari back in the title fight for a real 4-5 way battle. Putting another driver like Leclerc who's massively quick and equally like Max, prone to some slightly questionable defending in the title mix would be fascinating.