Could someone clarify for me who these people are and which group(s) they represent:
* Keith Blair - keithblair@hotmail.co.uk Tony's little brother * Craig Parrett – craig_cafc_vip@yahoo.co.uk Runs Charlton Vicars in Peril group * John Perkins - j.perkins1947@hotmail.co.uk Dunno, but apparently he's 68 years old * John Bennett - editor@fireworks-mag.org Local pyrotechnic literature expert * Christine Lawrie - chrislawrie2@gmail.com One of the two Chris Laurie's that works for Google * Vernon Roper - vernon.roper@virgin.net Looking for virgins to catch in his large virgin catching net * Jean Huelin – jeanhuelin@sky.com Runs Sky
I might be being simplistic but it seems to me extraordinary that the Trust is not to be formally invited. As worthy and eloquent as others may be, including the founders/leaders of major internet fora, the Trust has 1,000 PAYING members and many more "associate" fans signed up for information.
Where else is there a bigger representative sample of our fans, let alone one where the members actually dig into their pockets to join?
If the Trust isn't there (and I would strongly support @rikofold as my nominee) then the whole thing should be boycotted. (And no, I'm not Mrs rikofold, or on the Trust board, or anything else - I'm just a member of the Trust who believes they are good people with the right aims).
The Trust HAVE been invited.
Richard Pemberton's name is one the list as the Trust's representative.
Yeah but he's a self-important pillock - what's he going to bring to the table? ;-)
I was accosted by him once outside a Pret in the City. Seemed OK though.
Could someone clarify for me who these people are and which group(s) they represent:
* Keith Blair - keithblair@hotmail.co.uk Maidstone & Weald * Graham Mackley - g_mackley@sky.com West Sussex & Brighton * Craig Parrett – craig_cafc_vip@yahoo.co.uk Was 5 year VIP tickets, now does the admin for the Fans Forum * John Perkins - j.perkins1947@hotmail.co.uk Coach Steward * John Bennett - editor@fireworks-mag.org Hastings and Bexhill * Christine Lawrie - chrislawrie2@gmail.com Reminiscence Group * Vernon Roper - vernon.roper@virgin.net Valley Express * Ian Wallis - IanLWallis@aol.com Bromley Addicks * Jean Huelin – jeanhuelin@sky.com North West Kent Addicks * Richard Pemberton – enquiries@castrust.org Supporters' Trust * John Commerford - ekaddicks@talktalk.net East Kent Addicks * Sharron Sherress - sharron.sherress@cafc.co.uk (got this one - Valley Gold)
We might see this as being about reach more than direct representation. Does that group support gathering consensus opinion on the 80/20 principle? I think so.
It also gives opportunity for divide and conquer, but so far the group has shown a lot of willing to collaborate, which is vital if we're going to make sure this meeting is held on the terms of supporters rather than the club.
As you may be aware, Charlton CEO Katrien Meire and Non-Executive Chairman Richard Murray will meet with fan representatives in the near future, to discuss recent concerns surrounding the club.
A representative from Valley Gold has been invited to this meeting, and we would like to invite questions or comments from our members to be raised during the meeting. Valley Gold's position remains unchanged despite the unrest around the club currently. Our primary aim in recent years has always been to contribute financially to our successful Academy setup, and we are committed to continue achieving this.
If you would like to express your concerns or pose a question to Katrien and Richard, please e-mail sharron.sherress@cafc.co.uk by 5pm on Friday November 6th.
I have emailed Sharron and asked who this person is and how he/she was selected, I'll let you all know if I get an answer
Sharron is the Valley Gold Administrator and the usual Fans' Forum rep for this group. She's employed by Valley Gold, not by the football club, to be clear. She's a good egg.
It suddenly occurs to me that one way to hit the club would be to stop paying into Valley Gold. This would have the benefit of cutting off money without it having any real impact on those paying it. There would be no games to miss, no rumbling tummies when hungry at half time and for those that have season tickets they would not be paying for something and then not receiving it.
This was suggested at the CASTrust AGM as well. The view I expressed, for what it's worth, is that it's kind of like shooting yourself in the foot. Valley Gold contributes money into the Academy, and that's the basis of people's membership. It's been a consistent success in recent years and it's done things like sponsor player trips etc that wouldn't have happened otherwise. It's kids' development and futures, all good value to Charlton in the longer term, and whilst on the surface it might appear to be an easy hit it's the wrong target and one that will cost supporters more than the club in the long run.
As you may be aware, Charlton CEO Katrien Meire and Non-Executive Chairman Richard Murray will meet with fan representatives in the near future, to discuss recent concerns surrounding the club.
A representative from Valley Gold has been invited to this meeting, and we would like to invite questions or comments from our members to be raised during the meeting. Valley Gold's position remains unchanged despite the unrest around the club currently. Our primary aim in recent years has always been to contribute financially to our successful Academy setup, and we are committed to continue achieving this.
If you would like to express your concerns or pose a question to Katrien and Richard, please e-mail sharron.sherress@cafc.co.uk by 5pm on Friday November 6th.
I have emailed Sharron and asked who this person is and how he/she was selected, I'll let you all know if I get an answer
Sharron is the Valley Gold Administrator and the usual Fans' Forum rep for this group. She's employed by Valley Gold, not by the football club, to be clear. She's a good egg.
she may be a good egg, whatever that means, but is she a Charlton football supporter. we need committed supporters to represent us at this meeting not just good eggs.
This comment is not meant to denigrate Sharron in any way but we are talking about the future of our club and that is very important.
As you may be aware, Charlton CEO Katrien Meire and Non-Executive Chairman Richard Murray will meet with fan representatives in the near future, to discuss recent concerns surrounding the club.
A representative from Valley Gold has been invited to this meeting, and we would like to invite questions or comments from our members to be raised during the meeting. Valley Gold's position remains unchanged despite the unrest around the club currently. Our primary aim in recent years has always been to contribute financially to our successful Academy setup, and we are committed to continue achieving this.
If you would like to express your concerns or pose a question to Katrien and Richard, please e-mail sharron.sherress@cafc.co.uk by 5pm on Friday November 6th.
I have emailed Sharron and asked who this person is and how he/she was selected, I'll let you all know if I get an answer
Sharron is the Valley Gold Administrator and the usual Fans' Forum rep for this group. She's employed by Valley Gold, not by the football club, to be clear. She's a good egg.
she may be a good egg, whatever that means, but is she a Charlton football supporter. we need committed supporters to represent us at this meeting not just good eggs.
This comment is not meant to denigrate Sharron in any way but we are talking about the future of our club and that is very important.
I was about to ask the same question. Highly relevant I would have thought.
I might be being simplistic but it seems to me extraordinary that the Trust is not to be formally invited. As worthy and eloquent as others may be, including the founders/leaders of major internet fora, the Trust has 1,000 PAYING members and many more "associate" fans signed up for information.
Where else is there a bigger representative sample of our fans, let alone one where the members actually dig into their pockets to join?
If the Trust isn't there (and I would strongly support @rikofold as my nominee) then the whole thing should be boycotted. (And no, I'm not Mrs rikofold, or on the Trust board, or anything else - I'm just a member of the Trust who believes they are good people with the right aims).
The Trust HAVE been invited.
Richard Pemberton's name is one the list as the Trust's representative.
Yeah but he's a self-important pillock - what's he going to bring to the table? ;-)
I was accosted by him once outside a Pret in the City. Seemed OK though.
If a bit too good looking, if you know what I mean...
I might be being simplistic but it seems to me extraordinary that the Trust is not to be formally invited. As worthy and eloquent as others may be, including the founders/leaders of major internet fora, the Trust has 1,000 PAYING members and many more "associate" fans signed up for information.
Where else is there a bigger representative sample of our fans, let alone one where the members actually dig into their pockets to join?
If the Trust isn't there (and I would strongly support @rikofold as my nominee) then the whole thing should be boycotted. (And no, I'm not Mrs rikofold, or on the Trust board, or anything else - I'm just a member of the Trust who believes they are good people with the right aims).
The Trust HAVE been invited.
Richard Pemberton's name is one the list as the Trust's representative.
Yeah but he's a self-important pillock - what's he going to bring to the table? ;-)
I was accosted by him once outside a Pret in the City. Seemed OK though.
If a bit too good looking, if you know what I mean...
It suddenly occurs to me that one way to hit the club would be to stop paying into Valley Gold. This would have the benefit of cutting off money without it having any real impact on those paying it. There would be no games to miss, no rumbling tummies when hungry at half time and for those that have season tickets they would not be paying for something and then not receiving it.
This was suggested at the CASTrust AGM as well. The view I expressed, for what it's worth, is that it's kind of like shooting yourself in the foot. Valley Gold contributes money into the Academy, and that's the basis of people's membership. It's been a consistent success in recent years and it's done things like sponsor player trips etc that wouldn't have happened otherwise. It's kids' development and futures, all good value to Charlton in the longer term, and whilst on the surface it might appear to be an easy hit it's the wrong target and one that will cost supporters more than the club in the long run.
I don't personally believe that the supporters are separate from the club. The club is the supporters and vice versa. Anything that costs the club costs the supporters. That is, by definition what a supporter isn't it?
I'm not saying you're wrong but I've always been sceptical that the 'donations' provide more money opposed to them just reducing someone else's contribution. If Roland is determined to have a Tier One (or whatever it is called) academy then he might feel the need to make up the shortfall.
I certainly think this would make a bigger statement than refusing to buy a burger from a company that has leased the outlets or from season ticket holders refusing to attend games they have already paid for.
I also think the very fact that it is recognised in the way you describe would make it a bigger statement to the board that we are serious.
Compared to some on here wanting us to be relegated to force his hand I think this is a lot less drastic for the future of the club. I don't think there is any way we can withhold our support (neither financial nor turning up) without the potential that it will cost supporters in the long run. I would argue that another three year spell in the third division would do much more damage than forcing the academy to cancel a few trips, but that is just my view.
Anyway, I was only floating the idea on the basis that I believe that many will have more stomach to do that than boycott games or remember to make sandwiches to bring along to avoid buying food in the ground.
It was a simple question, it was you trying to belittle other groups, if people are willing to put their time forward for the benefit of us fans, they should get the same treatment as anyone else.
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John Commerford has stepped down as the East Kent Addicks representative for the Fans Forum, although he remains as the chairman of East Kent Addicks.
Why the VIP guy of it no longer exists?
Why nobody from the gay addicks group ?
We might see this as being about reach more than direct representation. Does that group support gathering consensus opinion on the 80/20 principle? I think so.
It also gives opportunity for divide and conquer, but so far the group has shown a lot of willing to collaborate, which is vital if we're going to make sure this meeting is held on the terms of supporters rather than the club.
This comment is not meant to denigrate Sharron in any way but we are talking about the future of our club and that is very important.
I'm not saying you're wrong but I've always been sceptical that the 'donations' provide more money opposed to them just reducing someone else's contribution. If Roland is determined to have a Tier One (or whatever it is called) academy then he might feel the need to make up the shortfall.
I certainly think this would make a bigger statement than refusing to buy a burger from a company that has leased the outlets or from season ticket holders refusing to attend games they have already paid for.
I also think the very fact that it is recognised in the way you describe would make it a bigger statement to the board that we are serious.
Compared to some on here wanting us to be relegated to force his hand I think this is a lot less drastic for the future of the club. I don't think there is any way we can withhold our support (neither financial nor turning up) without the potential that it will cost supporters in the long run. I would argue that another three year spell in the third division would do much more damage than forcing the academy to cancel a few trips, but that is just my view.
Anyway, I was only floating the idea on the basis that I believe that many will have more stomach to do that than boycott games or remember to make sandwiches to bring along to avoid buying food in the ground.
I'll take your answer as a no.
Or rather, In fact it was a question about independence and accountability.